The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
Blogger wrote: "YOU ARE definitely over using that spoiler tab/button"You do know that I have to type it out because I'm on a tablet right? There is no button.
Avalon wrote: "Wow Kevin I actually took some of my damn time to write that and you said it doesn't mean squat :( Well whatever because it DOES mean squat. A lot of people were saying that he doesn't like Percy i..."Sorry Avalon but i won't be able to qoute you directly, what I said refers to my feelings about the matter reread it.
Just wrote: "Cecerose wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Avalon wrote: "You know I should write down all the evidence to show that Nico is gay and likes Percy for everyone's convenience..."... All the things listed there..."
There's this really nice thing called --> the library.
And if you bought it, you can return books to where you got it 99% of the time.
I'm not saying you're not allowed to have complaints about this book, that's 100% okay. But constantly bringing your complaints up and shoving it down our throats with disregard to what others have said in reply to your original complaints is to put it frankly, annoying as fuck. We get it. You guys didn't like the book and thought it was completely off the mark. I totally respect that, but you people, ironically, keep coming back here to post the same exact damn complaint multiple times (another reason the conversation is going in circles!!!! wow). And sadly, we can't satisfy you, as though we may have theories and some explanations (that also don't satisfy you), we have no definite answers-- only Rick has that.
Goddamn if we're such idiots, why are you bothering talking to us?????? This is the second time that you've called the people here idiots, so maybe kindly use more civil terms or gtfo. Thanks bae
The reason we're going into circles is because new commenters keep appearing and complaining about issues that have already been addressed previously, causing the people already on this thread to revert back to that issue. If people read all the posts before coming here, that wouldn't be a problem, except you can't ask everyone to read 2200+ posts, so obviously they're going to be addressed again, even if it pisses you off. Sorry.
Cecerose wrote: " In your opinion, if it was off-- just skip that chapter in the book. Or those you have an issue with. Or just the whole book. Honestly. No one’s forcing you to read a book, if you have problems with it, don’t read it. ..."That is what this 45 page discussion was or is about people's opinion, how you are behaving is like your opinion is all that matters, the topic was about Nico my opinion is thwt Rick went around it the wrong way, you are reeling off on the wrong person go to one of those that said they will not read anything Rick Riordan because of his pandering.
Cherie wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Cherie wrote: "And yeah, it kinda pisses me of when I write a long ass response to people and they ignore it as if they didn't address me directly in their previous comments. >_>"Yo..."
You openly admit to ignoring my comments then you would say something negative about an issue that I addressed before... or use a comment that builds upon what was said before in a negative light.
Kevin wrote: "Cherie wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Cherie wrote: "And yeah, it kinda pisses me of when I write a long ass response to people and they ignore it as if they didn't address me directly in their previous com..."Similar things happened to me in the way beginning of this thread.
Cecerose wrote: "Just wrote: "Cecerose wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Avalon wrote: "You know I should write down all the evidence to show that Nico is gay and likes Percy for everyone's convenience..."... All the things..."
thats what you thought the comment was about?nice...
new peolpe will ofcourse come and post their opinion after which i will post mine.Guess what it wont change.but people who have already made multiple posts should atleast go forward.lets do that,you and me.you say nico being gay was one a good way to explain his angst.i say his inability to connect to people would have been better.some people do face social awkardness while trying to make friends or even communicate,tou know?
next you can post maybe ...i dont know how his inability stems from his gayness(no arguments just discussions)and so on
Just wrote: " you damn idiots are going in circles!2160 something posts and it can all be summed up to an argument on whether or not you are pro/anti gay.who cares/comment if you think this makes senses according to you give a sensible reason why,not gays should get representation (eg this best explains his behavior or whatever)if you didn't suggest what else could have been done in its place etc,etc. ..."That's just it I've listed my parts but I get in response most times is gays should get representation or quotes of the author's faqs -_-
Just wrote: "Cecerose wrote: "Just wrote: "Cecerose wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Avalon wrote: "You know I should write down all the evidence to show that Nico is gay and likes Percy for everyone's convenience..."...."
Well this is funny.
You say to go forward, which is totally great and fab, yet other people are getting pissed because they've been feeling ignored because their complaints have already been addressed in past pages.
How do you satisfy both parties?
I don't see Nico being gay as a way to explain his angst. Sure, that may be part of it, but it's not what it was solely for. It goes much deeper than that. I think his angst and his self-loathing would be a result from a multitude of things, such as Bianca's death, Hades, (and I agree with you on this part) his social awkwardness, and his sexuality. I feel like you can't solely categorize his angst to only one sole factor you know? It's much more nuanced than that.
@Kevin, In that past comment I was not addressing you and you responded to my comment. I responded to tell you that I wouldn't respond to that comment as I was not obligated to because I had not addressed you. I didn't simply ignore it and pretend I didn't even read it. When you address me and I respond with a thought out response I find it annoying as shit for you to ignore it as if you didn't address me with a question. It is a WASTE of my time. Funnily enough you complain about all of us saying the same things over and over again, but you do the same damn thing. And then you don't even make an effort to respond to the counter opinion. Why are you even here? We all get it, you didn't think it worked with the story, but why stay in this discussion if you have no intent on actually discussing it or responding to opposing viewpoints?
Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: " Similar things happened to me in the way beginning of this thread. ..."People have been using your post out of context? I saw a lot of that going on, people were ganging up on others... was just sad. If people do that for a fictional character what happens in real life?
Cherie wrote: "@Kevin, In that past comment I was not addressing you and you responded to my comment. I responded to tell you that I wouldn't respond to that comment as I was not obligated to because I had not ad..."Cecerose wrote: "Just wrote: "Cecerose wrote: "Just wrote: "Cecerose wrote: "Kevin wrote: "Avalon wrote: "You know I should write down all the evidence to show that Nico is gay and likes Percy for everyone's conven..."
Good that we are finally getting to this point.a number of discussions back there were stupid and irrelevant (they were).there are 2 prevalent view points-in retrospect it was perfect and from all angles it sucked.these sort of ground rules should have been laid down a long time ago.if someone still comments that they hated it because of their personal views,bible or inappropriate or whatever either ignore it or convince the comment or to find some logical merit behind his/her discussion
Cherie wrote: "@Kevin, In that past comment I was not addressing you and you responded to my comment. I responded to tell you that I wouldn't respond to that comment as I was not obligated to because I had not ad..."I thought I was discussing it... and maybe I'm a hypocrite but as I said in a past comment when I post here it just flows out of me and yes most times I repeat parts that were mentioned before... yet some people react like its the first time they are seeing it... so I'm probably doing something right and getting my point across.
Let's all admit that everyone in this thread is trying to convince the other person to their way of thinking, I did nt start off to do so but looking back that is what I see everyone(including me) doing.
Kevin wrote: "Cherie wrote: "@Kevin, In that past comment I was not addressing you and you responded to my comment. I responded to tell you that I wouldn't respond to that comment as I was not obligated to becau..."a cousin sister of mine who is into this fangirling business showed me a discussion where they had reached a point where they were discussing what if scenarios eg what if jason reacted negatively to nicos reveal,what if eros confronted jason about two-timing with piper and reyna etc.thats because they had already reached that point when any and every scenario had been discussed thoroughly.no side won,because no side could gradually comments got streamlined into meaningful,heck even interesting discussions
Just wrote: " if someone still comments that they hated it because of their personal views,bible or inappropriate or whatever either ignore it or convince the comment or to find some logical merit behind his/her discussion ..."What if someone likes it because it was pro gay and for that reason only?
I've seen eariler on some people say they didn't read the book but they "jumped" others when they said they didn't like it without knowing why the person disliked it, just because the book is pro -gay a lot of people came out of the woodworks.
Kevin wrote: "Just wrote: " if someone still comments that they hated it because of their personal views,bible or inappropriate or whatever either ignore it or convince the comment or to find some logical merit ..."brother this discussion has been dominated by pro-gays even before it began.Google house of Hades and somewhere (it was on page one at least back then)you will find a blog called feminism and fandoms where the writer justifies this move and you will understand what i am talking about
Just wrote: " brother this discussion has been dominated by pro-gays even before it began.Google house of Hades and somewhere (it was on page one at least back then)you will find a blog called feminism and fandoms where the writer justifies this move and you will understand what i am talking about ..."The feminism thing is getting crazy I've seen them fighting even when the girl was wrong... talk about one sided.
Kevin wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: " Similar things happened to me in the way beginning of this thread. ..."People have been using your post out of context? I saw a lot of that going on, people were gang..."
Yep. Yea, I know... No, it probably isn't that bad cause they will be face to face with the person and there confidence would diminish.
Rachel wrote: "i absolutely love nico. he is my favorite character and has been since he was introduced in the titan's curse. Him being gay changed absolutely NOTHING. hes still a really awesome guy, no matter wh..." I agree with you,at first when my best friend decided to spoil that he was gay, for me before i got to that part I was surprised, but it makes sense. and the rest of the book is a very good read.
I like the fact that he's gay, it shows people that YES there are books that have gay characters for kids.think of it from other peoples point of view, if you're straight, and ALL the characters in your favorite book were gay/lesbian, how would you feel? that's how gays/lesbians feel when all the characters are straight.
its not a nice feeling.
Brenna wrote: "I'm so disappointed! The biggest problem that I have with this move in his books is that his target audience is children. Parent's buy these books for their children because they know that they ar..."HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF MOST OF THE WORLD WERE HOMOSEXUAL AND THEY WERE BEING HORRIBLE TO STRAIGHT PEOPLE, HUH? What did they ever do that was so horrible to you? at least 1 out of 10 people are gay.
what if 1 out of ten people came up to you and beat you up cause' your straight, or because your homophobic? Cause in a lot of schools, if you're gay,you get beat up EVERYDAY. how would that feel to you, huh? just a question.
It's really sad how homosexual people are treated. Seriously, in my school basically 8 out of 10 people are gay/bi. I'm like one of the only straight people there so I'm the one who feels weird. But nothing is wrong with them. It's who they are. They're really great people. It's not their fault they have feelings for the same sex. No one can help their feelings, it just comes. It's called love guys. Love is what makes them feel this way. If I were to blame anyone, I would blame love ..
No seriously mostly everyone in my school is bisexual and there are like a handful of gays and several straight people. To be honest, I think it's just a trend thing. It started like 3 years ago. There was this really popular girl who came out as gay and basically everyone around her "turned" bi/gay because she did it first. She so damn influential, she turned the whole damn school bisexual because she was gay. I think they just do it for popularity and respect. There was a girl who said she was lesbian and this other straight girl was like "really?" and two days later the straight girl "came out" as bisexual. Everyone just suddenly became bi/gay because the majority were bi/gay. But this is just in my school because my school is full of wannabes.
But at like at first they just became bi/gay to blend in with the majority of people but then they seriously became bi/gay after forcing themselves to date the same sex. Weird.
Yeah, pretty much, but there's a handful who actually turned bi/gay after pretending for some time.
Wow, Avalon, how do you stand it?
Tbh, I don't like all these wannabe gay people, they're only being gay to blend in and I find that stupid, they should just be who they are not force themselves to be something they're not. But I have friends who are actually gay/bi and never pretended in the first place, so I'm friends with them. I keep my distance from the wannabes. It's not that I don't like gay/bi people, I just don't like how they force themselves. I hate watching people force themselves to take actions that I know deep down they don't want to do, but just do it to look "cool." Kinda pathetic.
Maybe, maybe not. But if some people have been pretending to go out with the same sex for some time, maybe they'll end up actually developing real feelings for that person.
Lol yeah I forgot to mention that. I agree, maybe a girl will end up liking another girl but that doesn't mean that that she'll end up liking all girl or girls bodies or something.
This is also how I end up imagining Nico's feelings for Percy. I feel like Nico doesn't like all boys, it's just Percy. He's only developed the same sex feelings for Percy.
Jamie wrote: " HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF MOST OF THE WORLD WERE HOMOSEXUAL AND THEY WERE BEING HORRIBLE TO STRAIGHT PEOPLE, HUH? What did they ever do that was so horrible to you? at least 1 out of 10 people are gay. what if 1 out of ten people came up to you and beat you up cause' your straight, or because your homophobic? Cause in a lot of schools, if you're gay,you get beat up EVERYDAY. how would that feel to you, huh? just a question. ..."You do know they have gays who beat up upon straight people right?
Straights may be in the majority but both straights and gays get targeted by each other.
Avalon wrote: "Maybe, maybe not. But if some people have been pretending to go out with the same sex for some time, maybe they'll end up actually developing real feelings for that person."Its called force of habit do something for a long enough period and it becomes natural, its like training yourself by repeating the task over and over. After a while it becomes hard to break.
Jamie wrote: " think of it from other peoples point of view, if you're straight, and ALL the characters in your favorite book were gay/lesbian, how would you feel? that's how gays/lesbians feel when all the characters are straight.its not a nice feeling. ..."
This explains a lot, I know see why people make petitions to try and force their authors to include gay characters.
Avalon, I have many girlfriends who will make out with other girls when at parties after drinking, but they are neither gay nor bisexual. They don't actually have any kind of attraction to the person, but the alcohol kind of tricks their mind. Same for gays that drink heavily to try to be straight, it's actually very common. When you sober up you still have no attraction, be it sexual or romantic, for that person. Maybe this has something to do with why you think many people at your school are gay or bisexual. It could also be that they are pretending, but romantic attraction is very hard to fake and sexual attraction isn't really something you control, it comes naturally.. Maybe it's possible that you are just exaggerating (most likely case). Sorry, but I refuse to believe that it's nearly that high of a gay to straight ratio.
You don't have to believe it, I'm not forcing you. No one believes anything I say anyway. But I'll just say that there are so many different places on earth with so many different people and I live in a place where there just happens to be many gay/bi people. Maybe you live in a place where there are barely any gay/bi people, so it's not believable to you. Also let me repeat that it's just in my school. It's not the city I live in or anything, it's just my school. So it is possible. And I'll also say that where I come from people beg for fame and to be so popular and be noticed, they would basically do anything for it. If pretending to be gay/bi is the way to get fame, then they'll do it. They are like wolves. There's an alpha wolf and everyone trails behind the alpha. So if the alpha is gay/bi, then they'll be gay/bi. Humans are capable of faking attraction. You're underestimating the people in my school. They are unpredictable and a bit on the loopy side. It's true that some of them are really gay/bi, they don't pretend. I'm just saying that a majority of them pretended because the "alpha" came out. Also they have no romantic attraction to each other. They go out with each other because they want a bf/gf. Before everyone suddenly became gay/bi, people in my school used to go out with whoever was available. They didn't care as long as they had a partner. Now that the alpha came out, it's easier for them to get a partner because now the same sex is also available. There's no romantic attraction. They kiss whoever they want when they feel like it. So it's easy to fake dating if there is no romantic attraction. I know it's not believable to anybody. But it's just because they are underestimated. It's hard for me, sometimes I'll make a friend and then two days later she'll randomly ask me out and that's when I know she must be gay/bi. And when I ask why they asked me out, they'll just say "for fun" or "because I feel like it" or "people will notice us". This has happened to me so many times.
Sorry for the long post...
Sorry for the long post...
ah... well then. That is very strange. :P
@avalon people will be people that's why I don't really bother with humanity. When our alien overlords reveal themselves there will be change.
Kevin wrote: "@avalon people will be people that's why I don't really bother with humanity. When our alien overlords reveal themselves there will be change."
LOL
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Haha Kevin xDD If you live in NYC you would understand... The people are crazy, there's no limit to what they would do.
Sorry to anyone who i was harsh to earlier in this discussion, I was just mad at anti-gays because I got punched in the face and kicked in the ribs earlier for being lesbian/bi... although i meant everything i said, i could have said it in a nicer way.The book is a good read, personaly I never liked Jason, he always seemed kinda jerky to me. It is a very good book, I like a lot of the authors works. Again, my sincerest appologys.
Well, H99, compared to the other things they do for popularity, it's not that crazy.
Avalon wrote: "Haha Kevin xDD If you live in NYC you would understand... The people are crazy, there's no limit to what they would do."What about living in NYC? It's nothing fun.
It's true, there's nothing fun because the people there are absolutely ridiculous and insane. Some people think that it might be fun to live with people like that, but it's not. Every day I resist the urge to strangle each and every one of them...
Avalon wrote: "It's true, there's nothing fun because the people there are absolutely ridiculous and insane. Some people think that it might be fun to live with people like that, but it's not. Every day I resist ..."I take it you live there?
Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Avalon wrote: "It's true, there's nothing fun because the people there are absolutely ridiculous and insane. Some people think that it might be fun to live with people like that, but it's not. Ever..."
Yep, and totally unhappy living there.
Yep, and totally unhappy living there.
Jamie wrote: "Sorry to anyone who i was harsh to earlier in this discussion, I was just mad at anti-gays because I got punched in the face and kicked in the ribs earlier for being lesbian/bi... although i meant ..."
OMG that seriously happened to you? I'm so sorry, I hope you get better. That is absolutely horrid, to inflict pain on others just because they are different. And I don't think you being rude at all, you were stating your opinion, nothing wrong with that.
Finally, someone who doesn't like Jason either xD I really don't like Jason, he's such a jerk. I feel like he feels like he's better than others. Piper too. I can't stand either of them.
OMG that seriously happened to you? I'm so sorry, I hope you get better. That is absolutely horrid, to inflict pain on others just because they are different. And I don't think you being rude at all, you were stating your opinion, nothing wrong with that.
Finally, someone who doesn't like Jason either xD I really don't like Jason, he's such a jerk. I feel like he feels like he's better than others. Piper too. I can't stand either of them.
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... All the things listed there are from his rec..."
why?people paid for the damn book.if one thinks something about it doesnt make any sense one will express it.actually nico thing is somewhere in the bottom of my list of complains with this book (HoO really went haywire after MoA)
CIRCLES!you damn idiots are going in circles!2160 something posts and it can all be summed up to an argument on whether or not you are pro/anti gay.who cares/comment if you think this makes senses according to you give a sensible reason why,not gays should get representation (eg this best explains his behavior or whatever)if you didn't suggest what else could have been done in its place etc,etc.