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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
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Cherie wrote: "Why aren't you complaining about Frank beating all those monsters and getting his godly makeover? ... Ooooor what about Leo and calypso? ..."This just shows that you don't read my comments Cherie.. and i took so much time and effort to craft those comments, much sad, such hurt.
I did talk about why Rick has the Gods showing up saying "you have mended my Godly halves" and i did talk about Leo and Calypso... maybe not in the context you want but i did speak of them. I think the calypso part is for "tying up loose ends" Percy promised he would help her get out, he did ask for her release... but he didn't check up to make sure it went through so that's a minus on his part. The Leo x Calypso does add to the story... Frank getting "baffed up" probably Rick's classic "god gives kid a gift" cliche. Remember Ares? The Dragoon? The Titans? Ares's kid getting a blessing for killing the Dragoon? Well Mar's kid got a blessing for doing a certain task(killing cows)... the only difference is Frank's power up looks like it will last longer(maybe the rest of his life).
Cecerose wrote: "For the goth things, my main problem with that statement is that I highly doubt that anybody will jump to the conclusions that all goths are gay. Not even the goths themselves. I doubt people will take goth characteristics and attribute to them being gay, because first of all, there is, sadly, a stereotype already placed on gay men, and it's not goth. Also, Apollo and Favonius are bisexual, and they're not goth...."The reason I said that was because people(following their logic) don't want to read this series anymore because of Nico's "gayness", if the got up and antsy for that, why won't some(goths) get offended because they thought that Rick make a "strong Goth Character they could relate to" then made him gay "thus implying that everyone brooding is gay". Its earlier in the morning i can't get my thoughts across completely but i hope this gets a little bit out there so you can see what i was talking about.
Many people came here to complain, its not impossible for someone to come here say they are Goth and that they are boycotting Rick's book because he is implying that all Goths(brooding secluded) are gay. Its the same thing with everyone else jumping to conclusions.
I like how you think in referring to you. Personally I don't read your comments much simply because I very rarely agree with what you write. Also, by now I've realized that if I argue with you you usually just ignore my comments anyways. Why waste the effort.
Well all of those offended heterosexual goths are probably not going to hugely bring down the rate of people reading BOO, in my personal opinion.
This really frustrates me that they made Nico gay. It's gross and it ruined the series.
Jd wrote: "This really frustrates me that they made Nico gay. It's gross and it ruined the series."
How did it ruin the series?
How did it ruin the series?
Cherie wrote: "I like how you think in referring to you. Personally I don't read your comments much simply because I very rarely agree with what you write. Also, by now I've realized that if I argue with you you usually just ignore my comments anyways..."Cherie i was just saying that the points you brought up now i posted like on page 20 or something(long ago). So when i say someone didn't read my comments its usually because they are talking(typing) exactly what i was talking about how many pages ago, if you are typing something... you think "where did i hear that before"(at least this happens with me), so i know not to bring up points we already resolved or w/e.
I do not ignore your comments... how can i quote exactly what you are saying if i didn't understand your comment? You probably got me mixed up with someone else, i read, reread comments(so as to minimize mistakes) then if it needs answering i answer.
Dria wrote: "Well all of those offended heterosexual goths are probably not going to hugely bring down the rate of people reading BOO, in my personal opinion."It was a hypothetical comment, all i was saying is with life you can't say for certain THIS will happen. Nothing is written in stone(even if it was stone erodes over time.)
Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."WELL APPARENTLY BECAUSE A HETERO IS FINE BUT BEING A HOMO IS NOT? SEXUALITY ISN'T A CHOICE, IT'S JUST LIKE LIKING A GIRL OR A BOY FOR YOU. PERCY AND ANNABETH KISSED IN THIS SERIES (multiple times, i might add) AND IS THAT VIOLATING OT HORRIFYING?!
we should all give rick a round of applause for supporting people like this. If you liked Nico before, you should still like him now, because nobody changes when you hear their sexuality. If you liked Nico before, but don't like him now because of that, you need to rethink that, because it is sick and cruel to judge someone based on their sexuality.
Grace wrote: "Umm... I really don't know what to say about this, but I thought these books were for 9-12 year-olds."Umm, but you know, your parents probably kiss in front of your face, so what's the problem with a gay couple kissing somewhere else, too? Little kids are talking about kissing and boyfriends and girlfriends already in KINDERGARTEN where I live, and other places, too. There shouldn't be any "We need to wait until they are older!" because honestly you don't. You should tell them about it now so that if a problem arises with this they can stand up and say how it's not wrong. You people should be informing your children about this because no matter what you think, its NOT wrong, its NOT gross, and its NOT something you should hide from them.
We kids know a LOT more than parents and adults give us credit for.... And with the resources we have, we know a TON more than you give us credit for.
Its seems we have we have another angry commenter.... the angst....
Of course she would be angry. Jasmine uses words like "horrifying" and "violating" which is down right despicable. I remember you said something like Jasmine's going to get a ton of hate mail or something like that Kevin and I think she deserves it. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion but to use words like that is horrible. Jasmine put herself in her own predicament when she wrote that. She should've known what would be coming. People can express their own opinions but that was too harsh, way too harsh. And opinions should always be respectful. You should always respect the other party's opinion and Jasmine had absolutely no respect at all.
Avalon wrote: "You should always respect the other party's opinion ..."Avalon, they will say it no matter what. All that happens when they can't say it in public without being attacked, they will say it in groups, behind doors, then you have like minded people congregating... (view spoiler)
All this is doing is fueling the fire, she says "hateful" things, what do people respond with? The same... sometimes even worst. One party is saying that their hateful comments are vindicated because "she said it first", yes she probably could have phrased it better but its her opinion.
If a gay person says that straight people are vile etc etc(i had this said to me, not as an insult but it was her opinion) what would you say then? Should all straight people gang up on that person?
I think everyone is forgetting that people are people, how the media tries to protray gays is not true their are vile gays out there, same with the straights. The only problem is that those gays(most times) gets away with calling out other people but when you call them out...... When was the last time you saw a gay person brought up on gender crimes? You don't think it happens?
When you ask for "freedom of speech" you can't pick and choose what is "free". You get the good and the bad no cherry picking.
... Why is it when i start talking about something it evolves into something else yet they are all related to the topic and go hand in hand to explain each other?
I know people will say these kind of things. It's just that I was saying that when Jasmine wrote that, she should've been prepared with the replies that she'll get. People have freedom of speech but it will always come with consequences.
I wasn't saying that she was asking for it. I just said that she should know what type of replies she would get. She had every right to express her opinion on this. She can say what she wants, no one was stopping her. But when she wrote that she should have been prepared with the replies she would get. Whether they were good replies or bad replies, it doesn't matter. It's not like she was asking for the replies, but she should KNOW what kind of replies she'll get. Every time I wrote/write something down here, I'm ALWAYS prepared for the type of replies that I will get. Always. I never said she was asking for it, only that she should be prepared for it. It's two different things. The person wearing the expensive things should have left home thinking that they might get robbed. It's not like they were asking for it but they should have been prepared that it MIGHT happen.
I was prepared for the reply Kevin would give me. I was prepared for the reply you would give me, H99. I'm always prepared for it.
I agree with avalon. It's not that she was asking for it but she should have known that what she wrote was highly offensive and that she would get a lot of negative comments about it.
If you're not prepared to justify your position then you shouldn't comment, end of. Furthermore, hateful and insulting comments are never warranted and if you post them then you better expect a lot of angry responses.
Kevin, for the goth thing, I get your point. I think we both might have misunderstood each other, so I'm glad that's cleared up. Yes, there is always a possibility but that is not what Rick was intending to do. Is that right? (correct me if I'm wrong)
For the Jasmine "she was asking for it" in this thing or she should've known the kind of feedback she would've gotten, I agree with Cherie and Avalon. Yes, usually, that argument is usually faulty, such as in cases of the expensive clothes thing or rape culture, but the difference in this situation is that Jasmine's opinion was hurtful and harsh, while in situations like rape, wearing revealing clothes isn't harming anybody, and is not a valid reason to get raped. That's what I think. While Jasmine's opinion, although she's being honest, could've hurt many people. People are entitled to have an opinion about other hurtful opinions.Wearing expensive clothes or revealing clothes is not harmful to other people, while Jasmine's comment is. I'm not gonna bash her, but I can see why people choose to.
The thing isn't for people to accept it, more like to Respect it. My mom doesn't really like the gay thing but if she sees someone that's gay, she knows she needs to respect him/her and move on. It's not something to be battled about. But if you don't read the book because of Nico being gay then....I have lost all respect for you though I do get that we all have different opinions and that's fine. But discrimination is never okay
Ariel wrote: "This totally took me by surprise at first, but when I thought about it I thought I remembered a part in a previous book where I thought he might be gay for a second, then quickly dismissed it. I co..."well in the end of the mark of Athena, Nico describes Percy as "The most powerful Half-blood I have ever seen" I dident get the clue untill i read House of Hades...
I could definitely see Nico as being gay. there is nothing wrong with it.
Honestly, when I first read that Nico was gay, I was shocked. Like, really shocked. I definitely wasn't expected it. But I will admit that it was the BEST plot twist ever, and I was really happy. Because none of my theories ever turn out RIGHT. I was excited because I'd always had a thing about my favorite character (i.e. Nico) possibly being gay. Like, a really big thing. So big I wrote fan-fictions in my spare time... I guess it must've had something to do with their, and their love/hate relationship, and the bromantic feelings there(which I interpreted as 'romance'). So you can imagine that when I read it, I was literally dancing around the room screaming, "WHOOHOO! HE DID IT. RICK FINALLY DID IT! NO ONE CAN CALL ME CRAZY ANYMORE!"
Then I felt bad once I realized what that would mean for Nico. And, OHMYGOD, NICO!
My heart broke a little for him.. Because as much as I wish that he'll have a happy ending and ride off into the metaphorical sunset, I don't see it happening anytime soon. He's always been sort of that lone outcast character, and this really just added more to that whole outcast thing he has going on. I really hope that by the end of this, Nico will find a person he'll be happy with, whether it's a guy or a girl because he really needs a break. But because Nico's just not that lucky, I'm going to go with a more realistic guess, and say that he'll end up dying for Percy or something equally as tragic(because most Greek heroes never get a happy ending). So Nico better get a really freaking heroic ending, or so help me god, I will start smiting people.
Also, I'm really happy that Rick Riordan decided to put in more Ancient Greek elements. I remembered reading somewhere that Eros was the god of homosexual love, and I thought if he didn't do something with that, then he was missing out on an awesome opportunity.
(I'm double commenting, and I really hate doing that, but I feel like I should add this after reading some of the more hateful comments)I really don't see what the big deal is with Nico being gay, or why people have a problem with it. You may say it doesn't bother you, but it if you decide to stop reading something just because it includes a gay character, I think it's safe to say that it's something that does, in fact, bother you. And those of you who openly admit you have a problem with it: Well, I respect your opinion. But someone said, and forget who, that Rick Riordan's writing was always so clean and that now that this was added, it's inappropriate for children. I think it's perfect for today's children to read about because it teaches tolerance and acceptance. Something that, maybe, you could learn from, too. And really, it wasn't THAT unexpected that Rick Riordan would put something like this in the story. Like other people have said, the books have addressed(or at least referenced to) a bunch of different problems in society, and homosexuality -while controversial- is a topic that most kids are already aware of, especially in this certain age group. I, myself, am only 12 and a half so I think I'd know what kids my age talk about. I've been reading these books since I was 8, and I've grown up with the characters and none of this changes my opinion of the books as a whole.
I totally agree with the person above me… Just because there is a homosexual person in the book doesn't make it inappropriate for children - it just helps to show that homosexuality is completely normal and acceptable (I mean, about 5 or so % of the population are homosexual), which is very important to learn children. Big respect to Rick Riordan for writing about something that clearly is still quite controversial for americans. When I read it I was first totally shocked (I knew that the book was written by an american - no offense), then extremely happy. As I mentioned above, this is an important step in removing prejudices in society… I'm so looking forward to the next book!
Thumbs up Thedane.
Grace wrote: "Umm... I really don't know what to say about this, but I thought these books were for 9-12 year-olds."9-12 year olds are well aware of homosexuals and how they are treated in our society, unless they have never watched TV/been on the internet. I teach 12 year olds who love this series, along with other YA books that address homosexuality like "Drama" by Raina Telgemeier and the "City of Bones" series.
I have nothing against gay people. But, if I'm going to be honest, I don't like how Nico is gay. I know it's an act of promoting equality on Rick Riordan's part, but let's be honest - it's irrelevant to the series as a whole. It's a completely random part tossed out there just to make a statement. Nico's demeanor towards Percy in the previous books? It could've been explained by any number of reasons besides Nico having feelings toward him. Plus, with one last book coming out, there's barely any time for plot development. It just seems out of place.
Monica wrote: " Plus, with one last book coming out, there's barely any time for plot development. It just seems out of place. 100% agree
I did not see this twist coming. I do not personally support gay rights, but I do like how the author put this in to his novel. I do not believe it is wrong to have gay feelings, just wrong to act them out. I saw how some of my friends at school were disgusted, and some did not care. Nico's life is something that many people are put through, and I thought RR did a great job portraying it. However, I absolutely wish that Nico (view spoiler)
Monica wrote: "I have nothing against gay people. But, if I'm going to be honest, I don't like how Nico is gay. I know it's an act of promoting equality on Rick Riordan's part, but let's be honest - it's irreleva..."In a way it does fit if we're talking about just the scene and nothing else. let's pretend that it was some hetero thing, well it wouldn't be so out of place now would it? It had a gay Greek god (I don't exactly remember), and it did explain how love can be a cruel thing as Nico is shown to be afraid of being never accepted but he has to eventually lose the anger and sadness he has toward himself so it did have a lesson. Now if that little scene had nico depicted as liking Annabeth, it wouldn't be so much of a shock so I don't really see the big deal. It's just a little part of the story. To the people who don't want to read the next book because of 7 pages, then I have nothing to say to that other than to be a little understanding of what some might be going through right now
Forgot to say HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! hopefully I can find happiness
The first thing i want to point out is RR had made the comment that Nico is not gay, but had these feelings only towards Percy, no one else. As taken from the "House of Hades" "'I had a crush on Percy,' Nico spat. 'That's the truth. That's the big secret'" He [Nico} says HAD not HAVE. So therefore I don't believe Nico is completely gay, but maybe bi-sexual or straight. We may never know.
The second thing I want to point out is who some love interests may be in the BoO. Leo might not go back for Caly (Gods know why). Maybe because JAson has been very supportive on Nico's confession, Jason and Nico may fall in love. (just saying, it could happen) But then, that would leave Pipes broken. Until Leo Supersized Mcshizzle jumps in. YOu guys doing the math?I hope this post finds everyone well and back home with their families. I am trying to create a petition to have RR write the First 5 books over again in Annie's point of view. Please let me know if you think this is a good idea so I can get a kind of head count on who is interested. I love the Perrcy Jackson fandom and i dont know what I would do without your guys' love and support. Many of you don't know this, but things haven't been going great in my little small 12 year old world and i just appreciate how nice everyone is. Thanks again
-Emily or AnnabethJackson
Lmaoo I can see the whole JasonxNico and PiperxLeo thing but I support LeoxCalypso A LOT. I don't really care about Jason and Piper. Also, I never thought Nico was fully gay or anything. I mean, yeah I always say he's gay and stuff but I think it's just Percy. I think he only has gay feelings for Percy. But that's just what I think. Anyways, I think it would seem interesting to rewrite the first five books in a different POV but I don't think Rick is going to do it. He seems to really want to start Norse myths and he already has the story planned out. He said that he doesn't want to keep going back to Greek mythology when there are other mythologies out there waiting to be written. The idea is interesting but I don't think Rick is going to do it...
I do too Avalon on pretty much everything you just said so I think we are in agreement! :)
H99 wrote: "Agreed. ..."H99... i never know what you are quoting to or replying to.... Are you another mobile user who can't copy text?
H99 wrote: "There, copied. I usually do quote exactly what I'm replying to, but I tend to not do it on this topic. Sorry."No need to apologize its just that sometimes when you(anyone) quote something 20 pages back(with the default quote), it's really confusing to understand what you are saying.
it's so great and i am so happy and i respect rick riordan so much for doing this
I was so excited when I read (but it was accidentally spoiled for me, not that I cared, I've love Nico/Percy pairing on fanfiction for a long time) that Nico was gay!It's really cool of Riordan to have a character whose not straight. And I don't see what the big fuss is about. Gays are human too, and there is actually very little difference between them and straight people.
And the fact that some people think, Oh my gosh, my children have been exposed! They will eventually find out about same sex couples, so just chill.
This book yanked my feels around, especially all the Percy/Annabeth/Nico scenes.
Nico is the character that I can relate to the most. Feeling like no one understands you, feeling like you're different from everyone else, being moody at times, just wanting to be alone.. I can understand him at times. I'm so glad he's a character. If he were to die, I wouldn't even know what to do. Nico is such an awesome character <3 Don't die, Nico :(
I was shocked. I had to step away from the book for a second just to calm down. It made perfect sense!! After I got over the shock, I loved it. I didn't like Nico before because I thought that he was an extremely boring character but this just adds a whole new layer for me.
I love Percy to death but Nico is something different. I also feel isolated at times and I'm not very much liked either. I can relate to Nico so much, he's like hope for me. If someone like him can be strong, then I can be strong too.
I am thrilled that Rick Riordan included characters from all different backgrounds - religious, familial, sexual, and even time periods. It doesn't matter that the books are written for children/young adults as a target audience. Those same kids are going to see kids in their schools who are different - whether it's race, religion, sexual orientation, or gender identity. This isn't a matter -just for older people-, because it doesn't apply -just to older people-. There are kids/teens who identify as gay. He wrote nothing inappropriate for readers of a younger age. If there was an explicit sex scene, sure, whether it was gay or heterosexual, but there's not. A violation? What, that there are people who think and feel differently than you do? How pathetic.
Aurora wrote: "I don't think that Nico is gay as in he wants to be in a sexual relationship with Percy. That totally doesn't fit Nico's character to me at all. I think it's more fitting that Nico would have roman..."While I find it perfectly likely that Nico is also attracted to Percy, I really like your comment, as a whole. You're right: Greco/Roman myths (and quite a few other mythologies, as well) have beastiality, incest, and plenty of other topics that aren't typically ~the best for children~ (e.g. plenty of violence and characters with bad motivations). Homosexuality was also common enough in Greek life, not just in their myths. It should almost be expected, and certainly not something to be shocked about.
I'm glad that there are plenty of fans of the series that still love the books (or, like myself, love them even more) since Riordan included that element.
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