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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
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Cherie
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Dec 13, 2013 01:31PM
I agree, it is was only a brotherly admiration then it wouldn't have been made into such a big deal. I feel like people just need to get over it. Nico had a crush on Percy. I think we all need to put our big boy and girl pants on and accept that it wasn't a brotherly/friend type thing. It may have started like that, but obviously it became more otherwise Eros wouldn't have made nico admit it.
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Cherie wrote: "If* it* was..."You know you can edit out mistakes?.....
28 pages!!!!!! Here is to another 28 when other persons read this book, come here(goodreads) to vent, see this thread(its at the top), vent their feelings, then have others gang up on them.
<Ʒ guys Ƹ>
tbh, i think Nico is amazing.
Can you reply to others on the mobile version? I haven't found anything.
Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."You are a disgusting human being. No one should be discriminated because of who they are. Nico in this book and the way he acts actually shows what a lot of homosexuals go through. They don't need this kind of crap, keep your homophobia to yourself, but it's going to hit you hard one day and you'll realize just how much of an idiot you're being
No, I can't reply directly to people using quotes on the mobile version.
Yeah I use the mobile version and I can't reply to people either. I thought it was just me at first though. I don't like having to be like @Person. I'd like to reply to them directly, they should change it.
Deborah wrote: "You are a disgusting human being..."Here we go again.
Deborah wrote: "Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."the thing is such opinions exist and even if it outrages you there is nothing you can do about it.that's why i feel if anyone expresses outrage about this for whatever reason,religious etc there should be no such backlash because that person has been conditioned to that ideology.after all you might be disgusting to her(and history will give you plenty of examples about what happens when ideologies try to obliterate each other)so unless the ideology changes within such opinions will exist
That's not only extremely inconvenient since I can't even copy and paste people's comments instead of typing them out, but I also can't use italics on the mobile.
eh, it's not that big of a deal. I usually try to make it obvious who I was replying to and I try not to make too many type-o's :P
I am very upset to read in a children's book that one of the characters is gay. I was a big fan of Rick Riordan and I have read all of the Percy Jackson series, the Kane Chronicles, and was reading the Hero's of Olympus series. I don't hate homosexuals one bit, but I don't agree with the life they choose to live, so you can only image what I felt when I read this. I already feel society is forcing homosexuality down my throat and now I can't even escape this push for acceptance while reading a children's book. I'm sorry but to write this random shocker that didn't even need to be placed in to this book series made me think the author I once loved is just reaching for the popularity vote, which he most likely will receive by looking at the way society is today. All I want to say is that I am disappointed in Rick Riordan for placing this controversial topic into a children's book. I am not looking to offend anyone, I just want to share my opinion after reading this shocker.
Oh man... That must be horrible for society to shove homosexuality in your face... How dare they include a gay in a book and show that they exist?! The nerve!
Julie wrote: "I'm sorry but to write this random shocker that didn't even need to be placed in to this book series made me think the author I once loved is just reaching for the popularity vote..."My thoughts exactly, if you read my review or posts here its mirrors this exactly. Many other authors I read were bombarded by gay fans to have openly gay people in their books, I think he did this to garner favour and as a preemptive strike all in one.
Two birds with one stone, one halt all petitions(if there were any) that were started to have him put more openly gay characters in and two have the gay community support him, they will probably buy the next book or his next series because they want to be supportive, some never read the books before or heard of Riordan, they just heard there is a "controversy" and they will buy(I had gay people tell me that they only buy books from other gay authors or gay supporting authors, they said they dropped some other authors because they refused or didn't want to write any openly gay characters).
I will be real here, no offence to any gay persons here but some persons in your community are bad eggs. No matter what it is, once it supports gays or gay rights they will back it. They do no research nothing, the person or party could be wrong... they support them. This is one of many things that make me dislike gays, I have no problem if you want to marry and live together but when you back something JUST because it supports you no matter what... I have a problem with that same with forcing crap down my throat and if I don't see things from your point of view I am "homophobic".
The same thing is happening with the feminist movement, I'm all for equality but when a girl gives consent to have sex with a guy, wakes up and has to face the consequence(lost job or lost schooling because you slept with a co-worker at work or a student on campus property) then has "buyers remorse" or "protect my job/schooling" and goes to cry rape and the police station... putting the guy's life in shambles and years later you admit it never happened and you get off the hook?....
Then the Feminist groups says its her right if you wants to rape(even if she gave consent).... they are backing a female because it will help further their cause.. the female is clearly guilty of falsifying rape(she tells the lawyers she will lose her job because she slept with a guy... the lawyer/group's advocate tell her to cry rape)... they don't care sad thing is they get away with it on a daily basis.
And before anyone refutes my last claims as false google it, there was a recent "big" case luckily there was video evidence and the guy got off... she probably got kicked out of school.
Cherie wrote: "That must be horrible for society to shove homosexuality in your face... How dare they include a gay in a book and show that they exist?!"That is not the problem, the problem is the constant shoving and if you have a problem with it you are "homophobic"... last I checked Phobia is the fear of something.. hydrophobia is the fear of water... homophobia would be the fear of homosexuals, they need another describing word that phobia. Homoaversic(aversion) of Homoanimosic(animosity)??? Idk but phobia?
First of all, this isn't something new for Rick to do. He is CONSTANTLY and consistently representing minorities in his books. Girls, boys, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, native american, kids with learning disabilities, etc. This is not something random. Maybe he just realize that he wasn't also giving equal representation to kids with different sexual identities and maybe he thought this was a good way to fix that. Either way his main goal in writing these books was to show that any kid can be a hero. That is what the heroes of Olympus series has always been about and Rick has directly stated this. Whether you like it or not there are kids who struggle with their sexual identity and they are very rarely represented in literature.
And Kevin, when did that become the problem? You just brought up that issue out of nowhere and it had nothing to do with my comment.
Its fine if you don't like it, but the problem is when people are so offended by it that they'd rather have people with different sexual identities than their own stricken from children's literature as if it's some taboo topic that kids couldn't possibly understand. That's ridiculous. Many kids struggle with their sexual identity and most identify well before they even become sexually mature. They need to be represented in literature. They deserve strong characters to identify with and not the stereotypical gays that are portrayed elsewhere. Gays exist. They are your friends, neighbors, classmates, coworkers, even maybe your family members. To treat them like they are inappropriate is harmful to those who are dealing with their identity, especially young children.
What I am trying to say is why does Riordan have to bring up such a controversial topic in a book written for children? I would have more respect for him if he would of just left this topic to his books that are veered towards adults. To me it is a weak move to go after children, whose minds are easily influenced, just to gain more popularity and make more money. I do know homosexuals exist and I never said I didn't and a minority in terms of ethnicity cannot be compared to a person who is homosexual because a person cannot choose their ethnicity, but they could choose their sexuality.
You can't choose your sexuality. You can't help who you are. And nothing is wrong with who you are. Homosexuals did not choose to be the way they are. Don't say that they can choose their sexuality, because they can't.
Then what about bisexuals and those who say they are homosexual and then change their mind and say they aren't? I guess that means its not a choice right?
Once you are gay, you're always gay. Some people try to revert to being straight but they are always gay at heart. They will still have gay thoughts. Even when they try to "go back" to being straight, it'll cause stress and depression for them. If they try to avoid it, then they may have never been gay in the first place. Some try to avoid it because of what others say about them. They're hurt and afraid and try to "go back" but they will always be gay at heart.
Your sexual orientation is not an on and off switch. You are who you are.
For those still arguing that homosexuality is a choice... Even if it is a choice for some people, I don't see why that would make it wrong. Who cares who they choose to love, that's their business. You don't have to like their relationship, but your opinion doesn't make it wrong. You need to grow up and realize that not everyday has the same lifestyle as you.
I don't believe it is a choice for most people. I mean, when did you make the conscious decision to be straight? Never, just like I never made the conscious decision to be bisexual.
No I don't think jason will tell anyone, It's not in his character. He's very honorable, he's not likely to betray anybody's trust
Cherie wrote: "Whether you like it or not there are kids who struggle with their sexual identity..."We already know this, its not for me to like or dislike.
Cherie wrote: "And Kevin, when did that become the problem? You just brought up that issue out of nowhere and it had nothing to do with my comment."
If you read my review you would see i talking about the "shoving" but yea, the "meanings" of the words were never discussed here(at least by me) and it did not have anything to do with your statement, but the shoving part does.
Deborah wrote: "Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."she isn't necessarily disgusting. I do disagree with her reasoning but she is entitled to her own opinions even though those opinions are mean, thoughtless, and void
Yes, but you didn't respond to how it was "shoving" homosexuality in your face by merely having a character in the book have a homosexual crush. I could turn this around and say that Riordan has been shoving heterosexuality in my face the entire series. Why is it only "shoving" once it becomes a homosexual crush? Because you aren't used to it... Which is why we need more representation of strong gay characters in literature. So people can realize that gays are no different than heterosexuals, they just have a different lifestyles.
Cherie wrote: "they'd rather have people with different sexual identities than their own stricken from children's literature..."I agree with this, but for everyone. There shouldn't be sexuality in children literature and the only way you would differentiate from gays and hetero is by their sexual preferences.
Things have changed since i was a kid, i used to watch violence movies and games but never wanted to kill anyone.... kids these days are "impressionable" parents don't give them right and wrong so they learn from media / games / lit /etc. Would you like a bunch of 5 year olds have orgies?
....But it wouldn't be that challenging if everyone accepted each other. In other words we as human beings have to fight to get our rights and that sounds ridiculous and why should we? but the fight for equality makes us stronger than if everyone was equal which would save us trouble but........not as fun
And I've already responded to why he wasn't adding homosexuality in the book to make money or please anybody. Representing different groups of people has always been a main goal of rick's since the very beginning. This wasn't something way off base for Rick to do.
..... You are bringing up orgies.... Over a character that mentions a crush on a boy... Do you even hear how ridiculous that sounded? There was no sexual implications in this book. Not from the heterosexual characters and not from the homosexual characters. If kids are going to learn what sex is it's not going to be from reading that a male character had a crush on another character.
I hate it when people think that Nico has a crush on Percy like he wants to have sex with him or something. No, it's not like that. It's an innocent young love. So just because he feels something for a GUY, not a girl, you want to put all these sexual implications in his feelings? You want to make it look all wrong?
You are using a slippery slope fallacy. Representing homosexual characters in children's literature will not cause kids to become homosexual, just like reading about heterosexual characters will not cause homosexual kids to become heterosexual. I don't even need to mention how slippery a slope the orgy comment was. If kids learn about that then it wasn't from reading about a boy having a crush on a boy....
That was elaborating on my comment to Kevin, not a response to you, Avalon. :p
slippery slope fallacy? clearly your vocabulary is much broader than mine
I do a lot of debating, I know my logical fallacies :p
I should have known :)
Oh okay I got scared for a minute there, Cherie xD
Yeah, I'm sorry. :p I'll probably start writing @avalon or something. I felt bad when I noticed that it looked like I was responding to you.
They should just add the replying thing to the mobile version. It would cover up misunderstandings xD
No worries but can't you just change the version to desktop?
Cherie wrote: "Why is it only "shoving" once it becomes a homosexual crush? Because you aren't used to it... Which is why we need more representation of strong gay characters in literature. So people can realize that gays are no different than heterosexuals, they just have a different lifestyles. ..."Its like your friends snogging all the time when you are out in public, you are used to it but it is still being "shoved" in your face.
Did i say gays are different? Some make themselves so by dressing funny other than that you can't tell someone is gay until they make a pass at you(lel) but seriously the only way to know someone is gay is to see them wanting the same gender as themselves or by their mannerisms.. some guys try to act females(speech, dress, walk, gestures).
Any i don't care what you do it's when you shove the dirty laundry in my face there is a problem e.g a certain Female Author who i liked to read because she built a nice world, where magic, some mythical creatures co-exist with "normal" humans(non vamps, zombies, weres etc etc etc) ANYWAYS... i was into the book when (view spoiler) that is what you call disgusting, slipping that into a book without the reader's knowledge?
I mean its an adult book and she can do whatever she wants, but she is one of the prime examples of gay pandering or pandering in general. The book started off as an Urban Paranormal Fantasy... now i swear to you, the series can probably be listed under any of the genres they have today. Its like she puts a little of this and a little of that so it can be listed under all genres and thus reach a larger audience....
Cherie wrote: "This wasn't something way off base for Rick to do...."I liked the suggestion someone made that he ran out of Gods to show and just pulled w/e he could find.
Cherie wrote: ".....You are bringing up orgies.... Over a character that mentions a crush on a boy..."You didn't read the whole thing did you?
"the only way you would differentiate from gays and hetero is by their sexual preferences."
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