The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
besides the church is not the problem or the government. It's always be the people who make up this ridiculous rules of Not to support gay rights. now i don't think everyone has to like Gays but they shouldn't have to get discriminated. Those who don't support homosexuality, you use the church and government laws to shield yourself from your own selfish reasons. Let's get real here: the bible says a lot of things that we shouldn't do like girls cutting off their hair so please choose a better reliable source.
Are there really 9-12 year olds that read this series? They are long, complex books and most suitable for teens (Percy Jackson was more for children than Heroes of Olympus in my opinion). I'm 25 and still enjoying it. Rick was very brave and it was all handled very properly and nicely. Nico in the palace of Cupid was indeed one of my favorite passages in this wonderful book. Well, it's good that children too accept reality without prejudices and including this in a fantasy saga is an excellent thing in my opinion.
Yeah, when all these people were saying it was a children's book I was a little confused. Percy Jackson was more of a children's book whereas the Heroes of Olympus was more of a young adult series. I never thought that 9-12 year olds could even understand what was going on. I guess I underestimated them.
EVERYONE has lied at least once in their lives. I don't think there's a single person in Earth who hasn't lied. It could be possible but I doubt it. People lie everyday.
Kevin, so you're saying that because I live in America I can't speak for people being oppressed in other countries? Because America follows "outdated laws" (whatever that means, since we've been changing laws as the times change since the writing of the constitution) I can't call for change in other countries? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Look up female genital mutilation and then tell me I should accept that that is just how they do things in those countries. We are all humans, no matter where we live and we all deserve equal treatment and respect! Whatever race, gender, sexuality, we ALL have rights and deserve respect.
I'm a humanist. I speak for all humans, not just Americans. If you don't like that, too bad. Oppression is not justified because you live somewhere else.
All this sounds pretty out of topic...
Beatrice wrote: "Are there really 9-12 year olds that read this series? They are long, complex books and most suitable for teens (Percy Jackson was more for children than Heroes of Olympus in my opinion). I'm 25 an..."Yes, many 9-12 years old are capable of reading Heroes of Olympus. I read these books since I was 10. I'm 13 now and find them a bit childish for my age. I'm surprised that you still enjoy these at 25. Well I guess everyone has their own tastes.
Nothing wrong with an adult that can enjoy a children's story. ;) my mom is 60 and she's a huge Harry potter/Percy Jackson fan. I'm 20 and I don't see myself outgrowing this series anytime soon.
I've been reading classics and historical fiction since I was 14, anyway I really enjoy children and YA books and I find no contradiction in it. It's only that since the mani characters are 15-17 it's hard to identify with them and to enjoy the story if you are 9-11 I think... with the due exceptions, it's obvious :) Percy Jackson was more childish than heroes but I liked the saga overall :)
Blogger wrote: "besides the church is not the problem or the government. It's always be the people who make up this ridiculous rules of Not to support gay rights. now i don't think everyone has to like Gays but they shouldn't have to get discriminated. Those who don't support homosexuality, you use the church and government laws to shield yourself from your own selfish reasons. Let's get real here: the bible says a lot of things that we shouldn't do like girls cutting off their hair so please choose a better reliable source. "
YES THANK YOU I THINK SO TOO!
Btw im a Christian and I think people in my religion need to get over it, and move on. Im tired of the hate!
Jack wrote: "Blogger wrote: "besides the church is not the problem or the government. It's always be the people who make up this ridiculous rules of Not to support gay rights. now i don't think everyone has to ..."You're welcome :)
Blogger wrote: " It's always be the people who make up this ridiculous rules of Not to support gay rights..."I will be totally honest with you homosexuality will never be fully accepted, there is still racism and sexism if they can't resolve those two up to know there is no chance homosexuality.
They might make laws for it but it will be like racism, they will just whisper there hate to you under their breathe or give you shitty service.
Joys of being human no one accepts each other.
H99 wrote: "I find it upsetting that in some countries, women can't even go outside the house without an older male relative accompanying them..."Sad thing is if they don't have a chaperone they are most likely raped or kidnapped.
I wonder how Ariel feels when she sees what her thread has degraded into.
I do think the story could be done well without Nico being gay. He already has inner struggle regarding his whole family, his being Hades's child and considered outcast, and his spending so much time in hades, even tartarus. He met Percy at what, 10, I can't believe him falling for Percy at that age and that his feeling runs so deep.
It's a book for children and teenager, I think it's not suitable. Should we then introduce our children to other things like incest, multiple partner, bdsm, etc etc. Where should we draw the line?
If you don't want your kid introduced to that kind of thing DON'T LET THEM READ BOOKS ABOUT GREEK MYTHOLOGY. Where do you think all those demigods came from? It's never discussed, really, but greek mythology in itself has many of those things, not to mention violence. Greek mythology also tends to show you what NOT to do instead of what you should do. I think Nico should be not even a minor consideration as long as you don't care about everything else.
The book already introduced incest. Zeus and Hera are brother and sister and they're married AND they have children (Ares, Hephaestus, Hebe). This book already introduced a lot of other things like beastality (the Minotaur, hello?) and this book has a religion that a lot of people are probably against. I don't see anyone complaining about that but when they introduce a gay character, BAM! Everybody suddenly wants to complain. I really don't get it.
Christina wrote: "Beatrice wrote: "Are there really 9-12 year olds that read this series? They are long, complex books and most suitable for teens (Percy Jackson was more for children than Heroes of Olympus in my op..."I think it's strange if kids don't think being done in the butt is nasty but thats just me
^ um where exactly is that brought up in the book? I'm gonna ignore the obvious fact that not only homosexuals like anal sex... But sex isn't mentioned at all regardless of if it is vaginal, oral, anal, etc. Nico says he has a crush on Percy, not that he wants to have sex with him so your statement is pointless.
Cherie wrote: "^ um where exactly is that brought up in the book? I'm gonna ignore the obvious fact that not only homosexuals like anal sex... But sex isn't mentioned at all regardless of if it is vaginal, oral,..."Well you were making it sound as if kids were all for that kind of stuff and i don't recall even 90% of classmates being for that at all
I'm not saying that, but you were saying that it's strange if a kid isn't grossed out by anal sex which is not only a pointless statement since most kids are not sexually mature yet, but it also an erroneous statement because not only homosexuals enjoy anal sex. I'm going to assume we are talking about kids over the age of 16 because I'm going to assume that that is the common age of sexual maturity. (As that was the age most kids began losing their virginity in my high school experience) In which case I would have to say out of the heterosexual people I knew that were sexually active (a lot) over half of them admitted to trying anal sex. So your mass generalization is false. It's not strange.
But then I'm also going to remind you of how pointless this argument is because there are no sexual implications in the book... It honestly doesn't matter if a kid thinks anal sex is strange because the book doesn't mention anal sex.
Exactly... Most children are not emotionally mature to understand things like sex and whatnot. I thought sex in general and the male genitalia were gross until I was 16, hell I was grossed out by my own female body parts for a while, but then as a matured i realized that it's completely normal and nothing to be grossed out about. And furthermore sex is nobody's business but the people involved, so to be honest it doesn't matter who thinks it's nasty.
H99 wrote: " It's accepting one restriction to avoid a worse consequence. ..."Are you saying that you want all countries to be Americanized?
Lol its like American Team World Police is going to be real.
Kevin wrote: "H99 wrote: " It's accepting one restriction to avoid a worse consequence. ..."Are you saying that you want all countries to be Americanized?
Lol its like American Team World Police is going to b..."
Wow... are you serious? You think that oppression is justified because that's just the way they do things in those countries? You don't give a shit about the women that are murdered for the crime of simply going outside unescorted? You think that we should just shut up about it and accept that those women will have to continue to be oppressed because they were unlucky enough to be born female in a misogynistic country? If we don't stay silent about it then we are trying to "americanize" the rest of the world? You are a despicable person, Kevin.
absolutely... fucking... horrible
What is wrong with Nico, hes cool, but ***??!!!
There is nothing wrong with Nico... >_>
I no, but it was soo random!
I guess im still adjusting
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with Nico.
NOTHING is wrong with Nico.
H99 wrote: "Are you saying that it's okay for a person to be required to stay at home all the time simply because of his/her gender? t..."No, I am not but the change you are looking for will mean that the culture will have to be obliterated and the country put under an Iron Rule. Its sad what happens and yes there should be change but most of these cultures TEACH them to act or do certain things(view spoiler) for there to be noticeable change you will have to change a culture and we all know how that worked out for others(Africa, etc, etc)
The change will have to be over time, teaching people that it's wrong to do what not(there are already groups that are working on that). It will take a lot of effort unless their Government wants to make a swift change(quick and dirty) in which case the people might rebel because too much change too fast overwhelms people.
In a lot of cases there are laws that protect but the officers stating "muh culture" don't enforce it because they see things the old school way.
Cherie wrote: "Wow... are you serious? You think that oppression is justified because that's just the way they do things in those countries? You don't give a shit about the women that are murdered for the crime of simply going outside unescorted? You think that we should just shut up about it and accept that those women will have to continue to be oppressed because they were unlucky enough to be born female in a misogynistic country? If we don't stay silent about it then we are trying to "americanize" the rest of the world? You are a despicable person, Kevin. "Wow Cherie you don't understand what I was getting at and you eat me out for it? Call me despicable? If I was to behave like you I would call you an extreme feminist seeing as you only view is on women and not people(women, children and men). People like YOU are the ones that are despicable, I saw how you verbally attacked(sometimes passive aggressive) people throughout these 24 pages, I didn't say anything(to each his own) but now you are coming for me because you didn't understand what I was saying?
I challenge you to find one comment where I "verbally attacked" someone. And you said I only focus on women? Obviously not since I also defended the entire lgbt+ community during this entire thread. I do also care about children's rights, which haven't been brought up in this discussion. I am not simply a feminist, I am a humanist. Although I refuse to take offense by being called a feminist as I am proud to stand for equal treatment of males and females.You made this same kind of comment a while ago about gays, you said that People shouldn't try to demand equal treatment of gays in other countries because that would be trying to "Americanize" the rest of the world. You said that gays now expect equal rights like there is something wrong with that.
There is something called human rights that transcends government control. We are all humans and we all deserve equal treatment, you saying that we should shut up and stop trying to influence the way other countries do things is dispicable. I'm sure if your country was infringing upon YOUR basic human rights you wouldn't just sit back and take it. I'm sure you wouldn't be defending the government that promotes that kind of cruel and unjust treatment.
Kevin wrote: "Blogger wrote: " It's always be the people who make up this ridiculous rules of Not to support gay rights..."I will be totally honest with you homosexuality will never be fully accepted, there is..."
Of course Homosexuality will never be accepted 100%. NOTHING can be accepted 100%, technically not even Heterosexual (99.9%). that is not what I want. yes it would be lovely but I only want the judgmental attitudes to go away. you don't have to support it but please keep the unpleasant thoughts to yourself (although I'm not talking about you particularly). I want people to at least think about the other side of the story and not just be like NO every time the subject pops up. be considerate of others and this doesn't just go to you. just a general thing
Cherie wrote: "Although I refuse to take offense by being called a feminist ..."I said an extreme feminist, I am all for equal rights and believe women and men should both be treated fairly but you extreme feminist take it to a whole other level.
Cherie wrote: " And you said I only focus on women?..."
Yes I quoted your post so that means I am talking about what you said there and if I am not mistaken what I read sounds like you are only talking about females only.
Cherie wrote: "You made this same kind of comment a while ago about gays, you said that People shouldn't try to demand equal treatment of gays in other countries because that would be trying to "Americanize" the rest of the world..."
No what I said(or what it should be interrupted as) was that what works in America won't work in other countries, the people are going about it the same way Americans are, you can get away with things in America that would get you killed instantly in other countries if you tried to pull it there.
Different areas require different methods to solve a problem.
Cherie wrote: "There is something called human rights that transcends government control. We are all humans and we all deserve equal treatment, ..."
Who made the Human Rights Act? The United Nations. Who rules/governs the United Nations? World Governments. So "technically" it doesn't transcend government control.
Yes we all probably deserve equal treatment but we are talking about humans, someone will want to Lord it over the rest of us. There will always be "peasants and nobles", what you are talking about is wishful thinking. Yes it would be great for all to be treated equally but Human Nature will prevent that, if you really are a Humanist(not the human rights part but understanding humans) you would know this.
For what you are thinking to come true we would need to be invaded by an Alien Race who would then become our overlords, then and only then would Humans come together as one(an outside threat to show that we are all one and the same). If we do work together and overcome the "oppressors" guess what will happen in a few generations? You guessed it everything back to normal.
Cherie wrote: "I challenge you to find one comment where I "verbally attacked" someone..."
I might be wrong here, maybe it wasn't you but how I read the posts it sounded like a lightly veiled attacks hence the passive aggressive comment.
Well, he did always seem to have a fascination with Percy, and somehow he always struck me as being 'experienced' in crushes and stuff. I really don't mind it. I find it uncomfortable, but it sort of makes sense. But no, I did not directly see it coming.Nico said he 'doesn't feel that way anymore', but I don't think anyone believed him. He seemed so embarrassed, and Cupid seemed so satisfied.
I did kind of notice a few parts...when Percy had amnesia at Camp Jupiter...when Nico came, and Percy was likje, 'I know you...' Nico was all blushing and like 'no, you don't' of, course, that's not what really happened, but that's what it seemed like to me... I should reread it.
I noticed Nico's fascination with Percy right away, though. I thought he was likje, 'Whoa, you're a super cool hero, you're my new role model'. Never imagined it was a crush. But for people who are like Nico, it would have been easy to tell... probably.
Blogger wrote: " you don't have to support it but please keep the unpleasant thoughts to yourself..."If that happens it will be like racism is today, you will be snubbed out of a job, subtlety humiliated, made to do crude things for survival, advancement or blackmail. They will try to exclude you from anything they can. It will just be an illusion of acceptance(what you can't see won't hurt you or what you don't know can't hurt you), instead of blasting it everywhere they will keep it behind closed doors or within themselves.... and we all know how repressed emotions work out.
And before someone quotes that ending and opens up on me, I am not saying keep status quo or a bunch of people will be harmed, just saying it will build up.
First of all, in what way am I considered an "extreme feminist"? Please cite the comment where I stated anything extreme concerning female rights. Please point out where I began putting female rights above the rights of anybody else. And of course that comment sounded focused on women, it was in response to your comment concerning women being required to have escorts at all times. I have also made many comments concerning other kinds of people. (Mainly the lgbt+ community because it is relevant to this thread) I speak out for many other people and against many other forms of oppression, just because you haven't seen me do it doesn't mean I don't.
And yes, I understand that what works in some places doesn't work in all places. That doesn't mean we just shut up and stop standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves because they would get killed if they did. In my opinion the only way those places are going to change (and yes, they DO need to change) is if somebody stands up against their cruel and tyrannical governments. There is a solution, and it sure as hell isn't, "let them do what they want, that's just how they do things there"..
The human rights act didn't create the idea of human rights, it was just a way to defend them because we need the help of the governments to protect these rights. But the government can't tell you who you can or can't sleep with. They can't punish you for walking outside unescorted or allow people to marry you off underage. They can't deny you the right to education because of the color Of your skin or your gender, and they can't punish you for things out of your control (your race, sex, sexuality, who your parents are, etc). There are rights that transcend government authority, that is our human rights.
Take away government and royalty and money; keep technology and communication and you get what may be.
It seems like you are doing exactly what Matthew said you did to him by going onto discussions that I've commented on and harassing me because of a personal problem you had with me on another topic. I'm blocking you now, so whatever problems you have with me, you might as well get over it. I have no books for you to rate down without reading.
And since when is "your statement is pointless" a verbal attack. >_> seriously?
If you guys are wondering who Vlad is, he is a man who had an argument with another member, named Matthew. Vlad got so butthurt that he started harassing other members and even went onto Matthew's author profile and gave all 11 of his books 1-star ratings. I called Vlad out on having no dignity since he was childish enough to attempt to attack Matthew's reputation as a writer simply because of a personal problem he had with him. Now Vlad is attempting to harass me. Don't get involved with him, he is a psycho and will probably start harassing you too.
My advice is to leave me alone, this isn't funny. Move on with your life and leave me the fuck alone. You didn't have to follow me onto this discussion, the only reason you did was to insult me and harass me, now go away.
KryZad MantappZ wrote: "Guys, come on. I am tired of how people all around the world use GR to post their hatred towards Rick for first, making Percy and Annabeth end up in Tartarus, and now about Nico being gay. That's n..."
You and Cherie seem like the only mature ones here...
You and Cherie seem like the only mature ones here...
Brooke wrote: "You and Cherie seem like the only mature ones here... "What is that suppose to me? What would you define as mature? I don't see any of my posts were childish, if by mature you mean unquestioningly accepting what anyone says.... no that is not maturity that is called being a sheep.
Just because I don't agree with Rick's statement "its been building up over time" and the way he went around it doesn't mean I am childish. It's Rick's book if he wants to do these things its his choice, I just don't buy the way he is trying to explain away Nico's behaviour as a crush, nothing in the older books even hinted as "gay" anyone who says otherwise is just trying to convince themselves.
Someone said that Nico being flustered because Percy said he knew him when he had amnesia hints to him being gay/crush.... it just hints that Nico doesn't want Percy to recover his memory and ruin the plan which would in turn would let Mother Earth win.
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