The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
I could really do without your condescending attitude on my sexuality. No, not all women are bisexual, that is an incredibly ignorant statement. I know this because as I've been told many MANY times by women, "sorry, I'm not into women." You still haven't answered how mentioning a "crush" is not pg.
I'm a woman and I'm not bisexual Amy. Not in the slightest. Would you like to explain why you think it's not okay for children to read?
I'm not "in" to woman but there was a time in my life that I could have. Not something I'm going to share with children and say that. Sorry still not ok. Even if I am just talking about a crush.
And I find it really disgusting for you to dismiss my years of struggling with my identity and say that all women are bisexual. That is a horribly erroneous statement to make and it insults all that deal with that situation.
Saying 'still not okay' doesn't really move the discussion on, could you at least give a reason?
Cherie wrote: "And I find it really disgusting for you to dismiss my years of struggling with my identity and say that all women are bisexual. That is a horribly erroneous statement to make and it insults all tha..."Really well I do think that most are. sorry if you are offended. still not something would tell a 9year old.
Sheechiibii wrote: "Saying 'still not okay' doesn't really move the discussion on, could you at least give a reason?"I just didn't think it was pg. That's my reason. Great story and I really don't care it being him, I just didn't like not knowing when the author said it was pg. that it
You don't have to share your past "curiosities" with your children, but it is important for children to see all different kinds of people and understand that although they are different they are still human. They still love and feel pain like everybody else, so how is nico admitting he has a crush on Percy not pg? It had absolutely no sexual implications whatsoever.
You have given absolutely no reason for saying it's not pg!! >_> unless of course you think the idea of homosexuality itself isn't pg. Then you're outright wrong. Homosexuality isn't an adult issue, it's something that ALL ages deal with and you can't claim that having a gay character in a book is inappropriate for children, what kind of messages does that send to the kids identifying as gay? That they are inappropriate? That you can't have a strong gay character in a kid's book that's main purpose is to teach that any kid can be a hero?
Cherie wrote: "You have given absolutely no reason for saying it's not pg!! >_> unless of course you think the idea of homosexuality itself isn't pg. Then you're outright wrong. Homosexuality isn't an adult issue..."no homosexuality is more for pg 13 for 13 year olds. You have your option and I have mine.
You just didn't think it was pg? But why not? You must have a reason. Nico is a child, and he has a crush, just like many real life children. So how is it not an issue for children? If they're old enough to deal with that sort of thing themselves, then they're old enough to read about them.
Why? Because only children 13 years and older deal with struggles with their sexual identity? You and I both know how wrong that it, besides as I have stated over an over: there were no sexual implications.
I was totally shocked when I read Nico's little confession and I didn't even cross my mind that Nico might be gay. Now I'm looking back at the other books and facepalming myself. I seems so obvious now when I look back on it. Nico was my favorite character and still is. I'm glad Mr.Riordan added that part. I's a brilliant plot twist. You can say what you want about this, but I’m glad he did it. Kids feel isolated because they feel people will judge them because of their sexuality. This is a way of showing them they are not alone, there are other people who are like them, and they should never feel like they are alone.
I loved the book just felt that this was forced, there was nothing about this in the previous books. YES he does give examples but i think he used used those to his own purposes. This was just dropped, all the characters in that scene were just well... out of character. If he slowly built up on this in the previous books i wouldn't have a problem but he just dropped it then used Nico's moodiness as an excuse/answer to this problem.
What pissed me off was that Leo's problem wasn't resolved or that he didn't eat Percy out for it....... (view spoiler)
Amy wrote: "I don't have a problem with Nico crushing on a guy I have a problem with this be proclaimed as pg. I loved the book and thought it was a nice twist. Not suitable for children at the ages that they are reading this"You clearly have a problem with it, if you're assigning age limits to it. That'd be like me saying "I don't have a problem with drugs. I just don't want kids exposed to them." If there's nothing wrong with them, age of exposure is a null issue.
Also, why do you get to decide what is age appropriate for all children in the world? From what source do you derive your authority to do so?
Amy wrote: "Oh come on all of us females are bisexual."
I'm decidedly NOT bisexual, and I feel like I should be offended by that statement. Sadly, I find it hard to be, because I can tell you don't actually understand what you're saying. Thus, instead of being offended, I'm simply disappointed.
The problem, as I see it, is your tendency to speak on behalf of whole groups. You don't speak for me. You don't have the authority to do it. You don't have the insight to do it. Just the same, you don't speak for kids. You clearly aren't one, based on how you reference them, so how could you possibly know what they want and don't want to read? As Riordan has said, he's encountered children as young as elementary school that struggle with the question of their orientation. Clearly they're old enough to read stories with gay/bi characters.
"Appropriate Age" isn't based on what age some random person thinks is appropriate. It's based on what age a child can comprehend the material. That's why books comes with Recommended age ranges. Some kids will read sooner, some at the recommended time, and some will read later. It only matters that they can be able to comprehend what's happening, regardless of whether or not like it.
Going back to my previous example: Handmaid's Tale. Disturbed the CRAP out of me. However, I could comprehend the material without having to like it. It's a key difference.
Oh my god, yes. Handmaids tale was very disturbing.
wait?!?! is everyone here like some adult. i'm almost 16 and I thought this was for kids or whatever not *GASPS* PARENTS!!!!!!!!! I dearly hope no one is older than 30 on here.........
I don't think goodreads is age-specific lol
Can't tell if blogger is serious...
I thought Blogger was a boy...
Avalon wrote: "I thought Blogger was a boy..."-__-
Sorry :( it's just that it says "Blogger." You can't expect me to write you off as a girl. There's no implication in that name that would state your a girl. Really sorry ! :(
Blogger wrote: "wait?!?! is everyone here like some adult. i'm almost 16 and I thought this was for kids or whatever not *GASPS* PARENTS!!!!!!!!! I dearly hope no one is older than 30 on here........."Anyone of all ages can post on this thread. After reading most of the comments here I can tell that preteens, teens, young adults, and older adults comment on here. If I had to guess, most are in their teens. That is the target audience.
Believe it or not, adults enjoy these books as well. My dad enjoys Rick Riordan's books and he's in his early sixties. I'm in my twenties and I didn't get introduced to Percy Jackson until my freshman year of college. I love reading these book discussions and I hope no one thinks I'm "too old" to enjoy these books and want to discuss it.
I don't think there is a 'too old' for anything.
You're never too old- or young- for Percy Jackson !
the problem i have with it is it takes away the parents right to decide what their kids are exposed to! this felt forced and unnatural for this particular character. I also take exception to the beastialty being a little too blatant this time instead of over kids heads like before (note hazels passage towards the end of the book). while i have friends who are gay and i love them, i dont exactly agree with all of their life choices. my point isnt rather you agree or not, its that my child is too young to understand sex and therefore i do not want her exposed to sexuality! its my choice as a parent to decide that! exposing her to that before she is old enough to understand and be ready for that is the same as a kid at school telling her misconcieved notions of sex at school.. my daughter is nine and the target age of these books and no,its not right to take the decision of rather or not to expose her to sexuality or sex out of my hands! thats called parenting people! while im not ok with homosexualty, it doesnt change who a person is,or how good they are-just because i dont agree with someones ideals,doesnt make me a biggot, in fact, all those haters out there who are INTOLERENTof a different view are indeed the very definition of a biggot! while i dont agree, i dont want my daughter to hate and revile anyone of the gay community either! (which includes one of my oldest and dearest friends!) i believe rick went to far by trying to rip that choice,and discussion from a parents hands!
They were exposed to sexuality back when Annabeth and Percy got together. It's not like it's a new thing only introduced in this book. And there's been no mention of sex at all in any of the books, so I have no idea where you're getting the idea that this book introduced sex to children.
I think the thing you need to realize is that it doesn't matter what you think about homosexuality or how old a child should be before they are exposed to it because It is something many kids deal with everyday. It's important to provide strong relatable characters for all children and teach children to be accepting and understanding of others no matter their race, gender, or sexuality. That is a main theme of the book and it is a beautiful message for children. You say that you don't want your children exposed to sexuality? Did you have a problem with any of the times Percy and annabeth kissed? Were you offended when Leo kissed calypso? Why then be offended because Nico stated he had A CRUSH on Percy? There were absolutely no sexual implications there. I find it funny how you say you are against exposing the children to sex when obviously it's homosexuality you don't want them exposed to.
And wtf?? Where is beastiality being referred to?? If you got that from this book maybe you're just crazy..
and maybe you just dont know how to read Cherie? you agressive and bigoted attitude is what people should unit against! being hateful to someone because they have a different view IS being a bigot! your entitled to your opinion as i am to mine. my opinion fortunately is the only one that matters in regaurd to what i expose MY child to! i take exception to someone trying to force that on her-and yes not warning parents of that indeed does force that! the beastiality in refence to the minotaur-minos's wife with the bull! if you missed this you obviously havent really read the book and are just trolling :(
Karen, these books are about the Greek myths, which do include a lot of bestiality and incest. I don't mean any offence but surely you knew that or should have known that before giving them to your daughter to read? Also like I said above, sexuality has been in these books since Percy and Annabeth got together, it's not new to this book in the slightest, and there's been no mention of sex at all so how can you say it's introducing sex to children?
and no i never said this book exposed them to sex,just sexuality,which yes is in the same category. if a child is not old enough to understand sex then theyre not old enough to get sexuality! and if you must know,yes we skip over the kissing! other then a peck on the check-not cool for her age! and yes shes young enough to find anyone kissing gross! the overall tone of the book was to old and mature for the suggested and previously targeted age group! a warning was definitely warranted
Haha you call me a bigot but you don't deny any of my statements. Good one ;)
Well why did you let her read them after Percy and Annabeth got together? That happened ages ago in The Last Olympian, and there have been more and more couplings since. If you find sexuality inappropriate for her you why didn't you stop her from reading them long ago?
i understand this is a regular theme in greek mytgology,trust me, prolly know of more stories then even mr. riordan! that being said,thats why i loved these books!-they shared the myths i love with my child on a child appropiate level! supposedly that was what this series was supposed to do. unfortunately the overall tone is no longer on an appropiate level for my child, and this greatly saddens me
Well then fine... You're obviously very conservative if you have problems with kissing or even a kid mentioning that he has a crush on somebody. Maybe you should just give your kid dr sues.
Might I mention that the heroes of Olympus is more mature than the original series. All the characters are in their teens and therefore some themes will be present that teenage kids deal with such as relationships and love. If you don't think your child isn't ready for that then by all means wait.
and you are obviously young and have no children Cherie,so theres no way for you to comprehend...and yeah no one ever came home knocked up at 11 from reading dr. suess! im mad hes created an issue for no reason! unfortunately most the time people are vastly on one side of the issue or the other and spout hate in "support" of their view-how is that healthy for children or for what our ultimate goal aught to be: uniting people and promoting love and understanding despite different views? it just seems to be adding fuel to an out of control fire... have some kids, and THEN tell me your ok with others pushing their views on them! you'd very likely be livid, and rightly so!
your entitled to your opinion cherie. the fact you mock and insult those who do not agree with you is what makes you bigoted!,not simply what you believe! the fact you cant seem to grasp this is part of the problem. i have not once insulted you or what you believe, i have merely stated a different belief and the reasoning for it. you have yet to give the reason you believe as you do, you merely sneer and mock. no one will come to your way of belief if you merely bullying and insult all other ways of belief! yes thats the definition of a bigot my dear!
the controversy is what kills me because it doesnt benefit anyone :(
I may not have my own kids, but I am an aunt. You, Karen, do not know my life. I read with my niece all the time and allow her to read books where there is kissing. I explain to her that that is because they are older and it's something people do with people they love. she has asked me about boys liking boys and girls liking girls and I explained to her that you can't choose who you fall in love with and some people fall in love with a boy and some with a girl. I explained that you should never judge somebody because of their skin color, beliefs, or who they love. Don't think that because I am not a mother that I don't have the ability to understand what a child is capable of understanding. My niece is only a little younger than your daughter and I don't shy away from talking about these things with her. She is a very intelligent and understanding kid who sticks up for others when she sees them being mistreated and I'm proud that I had a part in raising her.
It's not a view, homosexuality exists, it's not an opinion it's a fact of life. You still haven't answered why you let your daughter read the books after all the pairings that happened, starting with Percy and Annabeth all the way back in The Last Olympian. That's teaching children about sexuality, so if you don't like that why did you continue with the series? Why is this any sort of surprise when it's been present for 5 books?
youre right ,cherie they are more mature then the original! if my daughter were fifteen, no this would not effect me the same way, im sad she will not be able to enjoy them with me the way she had the originals until shes much older
The controversy doesn't benefit anybody? It benefits lgbt or confused kids who are in similar situations. It benefits them because it gives them a strong character to identify with. It benefits all kids because it teaches them not to judge somebody because of their sexuality.
I just can't believe kisses are inappropriate for any age. I grew up seeing my parents kiss, and my mum kissed me all the time. It wasn't inappropriate, children can understand love.
why not teach kids not to judge period? why highlight controversal issues that only hurt the gay community? making it into an issue by not telling parents is only counterproductive! have you had a loved one nearly beaten to death because of their sexual orientation? i have,because some asshole guy he had dated outed him in a crude and blatant way at a family function! all the adults already really knew, but the fact he made it a controversal issue in front of the kids that didnt get it and confused them, is what caused his guy FAMILY MEMBERS to beat the crap outta him! yes his family is henious,yes he comes to my place for functions now, but he respects that as a parent its my decision what i tell and show my kid! blindsiding someone and telling their kid something they dont want them to know is not ok! if someone told your kid(or niece or nephew,which is nowhere near the same thing,sorry : /) that gay people were evil and called them a derrogatory remark-tell me you wouldnt be ticked!? thats their opinion that you dont want shared with your kid,which is your right as a parent! everyone should be afforded the same benefit and respect
normally id simply skip over these chapters, your right h99, im upset that kids will be discussing, and yes figthing over this at school. i dont want her being told this kind of thing yet,because shes not mature yet to handle and understand it, and i dont want her to view gay people in a negative or hateful light! the kids already call everything they think is uncool "gay". i dont want my kid thinking that way-shes too young to properly grasp this and therefore will more then likely adopt her classmates views and misconcieved notions
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Oh come on all of us females are bisexual. Whether or not we act on it is up to us.
still not ok for 3rd graders to read sorry.