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I liked it too (=3 star), but not loved it (=4 star). I think the low rating (currently 3.22 stars in average) is due to to type of people reading this book. Most are likely people reading from the 1001-list or similar. And people like that tend to lower their ratings simply because they get more choosy with the high ratings. For me a 5 star book is one that I will own and reread. I did that more when I was younger. Now it is rare for me that a book is so good that I prefer a reread over reading another book for the first time.

3 1/2 stars

3 stars


I liked it too (=3 star), but not loved it (=4 star). I think the low ratin..."
It appears that many people rate according to their like or dislike of the characters. I sometimes do not like the characters but love the author's plot surrounding the characters.

Many people are unhappy about the mixture of fiction and the thesis on war, military and history. For me it was perfect. It worked really well, like seeing history unfold – and understanding it at the same time and not just afterwards. In particular the destruction of Napoleons army – how it enters Moscow and is absorbed. In the book it was perfect – in the epilogue it was way too much.
The book has a reputation for being hard to read due to the many characters. I found that to be untrue in general. Really there are only 5 main characters, and perhaps 5 lesser important that you really need to pay attention to. On the other hand the many peripheral characters are really confusing if you try to keep track on all of them. For example at some point Irina Vasilevna is mentioned ("The other day young Princess Irina Vasilevna came to see me; she was an awful sight—looked as if she had put two barrels on her arms "). The tone suggest to me that we should know who Irina Vasilevna is. Searching the ebook shows that she is only mentioned that one time. Could it be Helena Vasilevna? That doesn't sound right with "young Princess". There are a number of such persons being mentioned in such a way. Maybe it is just me that have been reading too much detective fiction and is paying way too much attention to details.... but such things are a bit confusing.
Or maybe the reputation for being hard to read is due to the last 30 pages? One looooooong essay on history and philosophy, free will and the connection to laws of history. And Tolstoy does not use any of those modern tricks of introduction or giving an overview or a bit of the conclusion in advance – or even a conclusion at all. The last 30 pages, was, “yes, I am almost done”, I could see the finish line of the marathon just to discover that there was a extra tour of 10 km.
My recommendation for future readers:
1) Get started. It is not hard – just long.
2) Do NOT look of family diagrams. I had a bit of the story spoiled by know who marries who.
3) A good map that helps placing many events:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?...
The rest is about Librivox:
I tried to speed up my reading with listening to parts of the book as the librivox.org audiobook https://librivox.org/group/267?primar...
It is a collaborate reading by many people, and the quality ranges from good, to bad, to really poor. The good ones are near professional quality, the bad ones are accented to a disturbing degree or the recording is bad quality with irrelevant background sounds or computer humming. The really poor ones are so bad that I simply could not understand sufficiently words to follow the story.
The files are usually about 5 to 15 minutes long following the chapters. Each single file started and ended by "this is war and peace chapter whatever, book whatnot read by such-and-such for librivox... etc etc" 20-25 seconds each time amount to several hours of wasted time.

I read the P&V translation. I would not recommend it as enough of the dialog is in French with footnotes - the way Tolstoy wrote it originally - to make going back and forth to know what the characters said disrupting.
I did not like Tolstoy's commentary on what other historians had to say about Napoleon and the war. Authors: Just tell the damn story - don't try to tell me how much smarter you are than the next guy.
Length didn't bother me. It was long because Tolstoy chose to tell us stuff I didn't care about and those parts were boring, boring, boring.




Hah! I'd heard that too which is why I read it. Obviously Hardy's version of 'happy ending' varied quite considerably from mine!

This to me shows how different peoples rating systems are. 3 1/2 stars to me is a very good book. 2 stars is 'ok'. 2 1/2 means it had something special about it but it had some serious flaws that means I can't quite give it a solid 3 star.
My 4 and (even rarer) 5 stars aren't given out very often


3 1/2 stars



Finished Thank You, Jeeves by P.G. Wodehouse. This was a light and humorous read, in contrast with most of the books on the list.

Tess is one of the most depressing books I have ever read.


Agreed. It's even depressing for Hardy.



So I'm not the only one to throw a Hardy book? It was Jude the Obscure. I've been afraid to read anymore of Hardy's books since then!

Goodness! I read Tess a few months ago and am really looking forward to my next Hardy - hopefully Jude later this month.

4 1/2 stars

The movie is good too if you can find a copy.

And the butler in The Moonstone swore by it."
Haha...nicely done!

Finished Erewhon by Samuel Butler. I really did not enjoy this. It started out okay but became torture to read for the last half or so of the book. Glad to be finished. Thankfully, it is short.

2 stars

This is the third of his books I've read because they are on the list and the third that has left me underwhelmed perhaps he's not for me.


I've just picked this one up through an intra library loan. I hope I like it more than you did as it's taken about 3 weeks for it to arrive.

This is a semi-autobiographical work (the author wrote this at 70 and the narrator is around 60 years old), so you get the feeling of forgetting details or not quite remembering as she narrates the story of her and her lover in Vietnam.
I'm a fan of experimental novels, so it was a pretty interesting read for me..
The movie was pretty good also!

Wow - 3 weeks! I am curious to know what you think about it once you read it!


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