Ruin and Rising (The Shadow and Bone Trilogy, #3) Ruin and Rising discussion


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Should the Darkling & Alina be endgame?

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message 251: by Natalia (last edited Apr 21, 2014 09:52AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Natalia Just found it, but can't help with unlocking since I don't use Tumblr, Instagram or Twitter. But I'm so, so curious.


message 252: by Elena (new) - rated it 2 stars

Elena Also they have a Grisha Quiz!! Too bad I don't use Tumbler or Instagram or Twitter. Share your results. Mine was The Darkling.


message 253: by Natalia (last edited Apr 21, 2014 11:10AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Natalia Just took the quiz, the result says I'm a Summoner. Some questions were difficult to answer, because I thought more than just one variant would be right for me. I'm going to try again :)

Update: I took the quiz the second time, and I'm STILL a Summoner/ Etherealnik. LOL


Abigayle Took the quiz... says The Darkling. I did not see that coming lol. Even took it twice, same result. A little surprised at how much I recognized myself in the description: "ruthless, charismatic, and secretive. You're an expert at reading the intentions and desires of others, but your own heart is a harder puzzle to solve. " No tumblr/twitter btw.


message 255: by Mirou (new) - rated it 1 star

Mirou Cari wrote: "Guuuyyyysss!!! Did you check out the Macmillan site for the trilogy? There are 4 new scenes from R&R to "unlock"!!
At least one features the Darkling... How do we unlock them, I wonder :)"


What's that ? And where did you find it ?


message 256: by WinterRose (new)

WinterRose Welllll it won't let me reblog it on Tumblr. WHY.


message 257: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari I'm just going to try to do it now. I've seen people reporting some problems. Glitches perhaps? I wonder who can help with this?
A girl just tweeted Leigh with the info. That could be a fast way to get it solved.


peanutlord Cari wrote: "Guuuyyyysss!!! Did you check out the Macmillan site for the trilogy? There are 4 new scenes from R&R to "unlock"!!
At least one features the Darkling... How do we unlock them, I wonder :)"
Hi I'm new to this. :) I'm really excited to read Ruin and Rising, but anyways what do you mean by new scenes to unlock from R&R at the Macmillan site for the trilogy?


message 259: by WinterRose (last edited Apr 21, 2014 01:57PM) (new)

WinterRose I just want to take a minute to squee that on their official site they refer to Alina and the Darkling by their shipper name: Unlock a DARKLINA scene.


message 260: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari @Caitlyn and Mirou

Go here, http://www.grishatrilogy.com/ and follow the instructions to unlock content.

Mostly you have to tweet, tumblr, etc about the book to get new content to show. We're not sure exactly what is it. They say it's new scenes from the upcoming book "Ruin and Rising."

I tried the first one (TUMBLR) and it didn't work.

Since it's the first day, I think some of it may be glitchy.

@WinterRose Yes, that was really cute. They did say Darklina. You have to admit the word has a nice ring to it :)


peanutlord Cari wrote: "@Caitlyn and Mirou

Go here, http://www.grishatrilogy.com/ and follow the instructions to unlock content.

Mostly you have to tweet, tumblr, etc about the book to get new content to show. We're no..."

Thank you sooooooooo much, your the best! :)


peanutlord I'm nervous that Leigh didn't put anything to unlock about Nikolai.


message 263: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari You should not be nervous about Nikolai. Word on the dark corners of Ravka is that he's the endgame!!


message 264: by Natalia (last edited Apr 21, 2014 02:16PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Natalia Cari wrote: "You should not be nervous about Nikolai. Word on the dark corners of Ravka is ..."
WHAT??? Are you kidding or are you serious? Was it in somebody's review? OMG, this book will ruin me. Seriously, I'll become a nervous wreck before it even comes out.


peanutlord Cari wrote: "You should not be nervous about Nikolai. Word on the dark corners of Ravka is that he's the endgame!!"
.......*heart slowly breaking* Darklina? :(


message 266: by Mirou (new) - rated it 1 star

Mirou Cari wrote: "You should not be nervous about Nikolai. Word on the dark corners of Ravka is that he's the endgame!!"

WOW .. *Taking a breath* Where did you get thaaat ?


peanutlord It won't let me unlock anything :( Need Darklina moment...


message 268: by Cari (last edited Apr 21, 2014 02:25PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari I'm kidding people. It's ABSOLUTELY speculative and unofficial. But that's my guess based on the Kirkus review, and revising the evidence so far.

We talked about it a couple of pages back? I forget exactly the train of thought but I think Natalia was in that conversation too!! (WinterRose, Elena and Abigayle also come to mind.)


peanutlord Okay guys, I'm really dumb......how do I reblog to unlock some of the missions.


message 270: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari Cari wrote: "I'm kidding people. It's ABSOLUTELY speculative and unofficial. But that's my guess based on the Kirkus review, and revising the evidence so far.

We talked about it a couple of pages back? I for..."


The tumblr task it's not working.
Also, I'm not sure if the unlocks should be automatic or after a certain number of people have completed them.

So far I don't think anyone's been able to unlock any content.
(But once they fix it, just log on to your twitter, tumblr, etc accounts. Then go to the grisha trilogy page, and just follow their instructions. They should take you directly to your already open twitter/tumblr/etc to complete the tasks.


message 271: by Natalia (new) - rated it 1 star

Natalia Cari wrote: "I'm kidding people. It's ABSOLUTELY speculative and unofficial. But that's my guess based on the Kirkus review, and revising the evidence so far.

We talked about it a couple of pages back? I for..."


Yes, I saw the talk but I haven't read the full review. Now I just have to. Can you or someone put a link to it here? Please?


message 272: by Kawal (new) - added it

Kawal Khan I'm a tailor! :D also can someone unlock the excerpts and stuff for me because I don't have any of them and I'm so curious about this book! The days go by and we get closer and closer to reading R and R.


message 273: by Kinga (new)

Kinga Cari wrote: "I'm kidding people. It's ABSOLUTELY speculative and unofficial. But that's my guess based on the Kirkus review, and revising the evidence so far.

We talked about it a couple of pages back? I for..."



Oh hell, I just got a minor heart attack!! Not that I would mind Nicolai, still better than Mal( no offense Mal fans). But come on, on the site it was labeled as 'Darklina' scenes! How much cuter can it get? >.<


message 274: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari @Natalia- Here you go, the famous Kirkus review, it doesn't contain a lot of spoilers, but still, for me it kind of did have some: (view spoiler)

But that's always the case when the reviewers read the whole book instead of an ARC.


@Kawal- I am a Tailor too!!

@ Everyone- Take the quiz and share what kind of grisha are you?
http://www.grishatrilogy.com/quiz/


Ok, apparently, content will unlock ONLY after certain amount of social media sharing. So it could take days or so >.<


peanutlord Cari wrote: "@Natalia- Here you go, the famous Kirkus review, it doesn't contain a lot of spoilers, but still, for me it kind of did have some: [spoilers removed]

But that's always the case when the reviewers..."
*catches her breathe* Thank you :)


message 276: by WinterRose (new)

WinterRose HAHA Cari you just scared the shit out of people with that Nikolai endgame statement. :P

How can we reach a certain number of shares when Tumblr won't allow it? Ugh.


message 277: by Mirou (new) - rated it 1 star

Mirou I'm an Etheralki ! "Dertermined, adventurous, and outgoing" Oh yeaaaah.


peanutlord WinterRose wrote: "HAHA Cari you just scared the shit out of people with that Nikolai endgame statement. :P

How can we reach a certain number of shares when Tumblr won't allow it? Ugh."


Somebody said that a girl tweeted to Leigh with the problem, maybe she saw it, maybe not. I hope she did so she can fix it.


message 279: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari Well, people are saying this kind of "content unlocking" has been done before for other series like "Ignite Me" and it takes a while.

Does anyone remember how long it took for that other series: days, weeks? I just need to know if I should just forget about this and go back Deathless while I wait...


message 280: by WinterRose (last edited Apr 21, 2014 03:17PM) (new)

WinterRose I'd like to think if it was based on a certain number of tweets/shares, they would say that. The fact that there's no reblog (or notes) for the posts on Tumblr makes me believe there's a glitch. It doesn't do anything after you share a tweet, and reblogging isn't working either.


message 281: by zenoodle (new) - added it

zenoodle IM THE DARKLING HELL YEAH


message 282: by zenoodle (new) - added it

zenoodle HOW DOES THE EXERPT WORK


message 283: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari WinterRose wrote: "I'd like to think if it was based on a certain number of tweets/shares, they would say that. The fact that there's no reblog (or notes) for the posts on Tumblr makes me believe there's a glitch. It..."

Apparently the purpose of the content unlocking is also to generate interest in the book. For that reason, it's not immediate. They sort of make it last. T__T


message 284: by zenoodle (new) - added it

zenoodle UGHHGUHGUHGHGH


message 285: by zenoodle (new) - added it

zenoodle WHO DO THEY EVEN THINK THEY ARE. RULE NUMBER 1 OF THE GRISHA FANDOM IS TO NOT TOY WITH THE DARKLINA SHIPPERS. THEY MESSED WITH THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD SON. I NEARLY HAD A STROKE WHEN I SAW "unlock a darklina scene"


message 286: by Mirou (new) - rated it 1 star

Mirou Zenaida wrote: "WHO DO THEY EVEN THINK THEY ARE. RULE NUMBER 1 OF THE GRISHA FANDOM IS TO NOT TOY WITH THE DARKLINA SHIPPERS. THEY MESSED WITH THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD SON. I NEARLY HAD A STROKE WHEN I SAW "unlock a..."

Hahaha, hey, take a breath. We are all Darklina Shippers and we are just going to wait and stay calm and not becoming mad !

PS : YOU will have the chance to read the book just after he came out. I HAVE to wait a week after my finals to read it, wish me luck "Weeeeeping*


message 287: by WinterRose (new)

WinterRose Lordy Darklina isn't until the third unlock. Dies.


message 288: by Abigayle (last edited Apr 21, 2014 05:14PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Abigayle Wow, I took a nap "and when I woke up, the world's fallen apart." ;)

I think we should take a moment to recognize the official name for the DarklingxAlina shipping is Darklina instead of Alarkling. Yay! Also, don't get too worked up about Nikolina being endgame (no heartattacks please), Cari's right. Everything after I posted the suggestion/review is only speculative because there was small mention of the Darkling. However, the inside flap of R&R talks more about the Darkling than Mal but doesn't mention Nikolai.

I remember the chapter unlocks for Ignite Me... It only took days after the release of news but Shatter Me had a few thousand more followers than Shadow and Bone did. And it was a team effort, I hope R&R has a lot of fast-responding fans.


peanutlord Guys, guys guys, GUYS! OMG I just tried to reblog for one of the missions and a message popped up saying "Sorry, we seem to be having trouble please try again later." :O


message 290: by WinterRose (new)

WinterRose Well at least we know we're not crazy, haha.

@ Abigayle. Yeah I mean the fact that there's a Darkling prequel with R&R should be a good indicator that he's a very prominent character in the book. I'm hoping Kirkus just didn't want to spoil things where he was concerned.


Abigayle WinterRose wrote: "Well at least we know we're not crazy, haha.

@ Abigayle. Yeah I mean the fact that there's a Darkling prequel with R&R should be a good indicator that he's a very prominent character in the book. ..."


I think if Leigh didn't include his POV, she'd get an angry mob of fans outside her place haha. Agreed, the Darkling's too important to the story and the fans. If Kirkus intentionally left out the Darkling to hide suspense, then how off guard are we going to be when he shows up again?

Like what are these "growing powers" mentioned in the flap? Thinking back to when Ivan said "one of his powers" and when the Darkling said "you have no idea what I can make possible" is it possible that he can do more than spill darkness from his hands, amplify, give life to the shadows, and become a shadow that apparently shapeshifts?


message 292: by WinterRose (last edited Apr 21, 2014 10:40PM) (new)

WinterRose Anyone going to talk about that line about Alina asking if the Darkling was worried about someone using his teeth or bones? Because I just saw the new darkling card thingys from the official grisha quiz, and under Darkling it said "human amplifier."

Which we know he's an amplifier but seeing human tacked onto it, it reminds me of the discussion when someone asked Leigh about human amplifiers. That you know, they have to die to be used.

What if *no no no* the Darkling gives up his life for Alina so she can destroy the fold? What if it's not Mal that ends up being used, but the Darkling?

(NOOOOOOOOOOOO.)


message 293: by WinterRose (new)

WinterRose I'm also just going to leave this here..also from the Grisha quiz.

"You are the Darkling: ruthless, charismatic, and secretive. You're an expert at reading the intentions and desires of others, but your own heart is a harder puzzle to solve."

*gross sobbing*


message 294: by Elena (new) - rated it 2 stars

Elena Mirou wrote: "YOU will have the chance to read the book just after he came out. I HAVE to wait a week after my finals to read it, wish me luck "Weeeeeping* "
I know me too but in my case I have exams to enter in one of the best high school in the country so basically I will be like Cress untill I finish my exams. Only without Thorne or the rest of the gang. So please don't spoil the book after its release!


message 295: by Mirou (new) - rated it 1 star

Mirou Best solution : We don't open goodreads until we finish the book, because there will some spoilers, for sure !


message 296: by Elena (new) - rated it 2 stars

Elena WinterRose wrote: "I'm also just going to leave this here..also from the Grisha quiz.

"You are the Darkling: ruthless, charismatic, and secretive. You're an expert at reading the intentions and desires of others, bu..."


So this means we are sisters? :) Since we are both Darkling.


message 297: by Cari (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cari WinterRose wrote: "Anyone going to talk about that line about Alina asking if the Darkling was worried about someone using his teeth or bones? Because I just saw the new darkling card thingys from the official grisha..."

I know that this is probably too good to be true, and therefore, unlikely but...

What if the human amplifier ended up being Bahgra? I just had that thought today after raking my brain trying to think of possible ways in which the Darkling didn't have to die. And I couldn't believe we didn't really notice earlier. There are after all 3 human amplifiers, counting Mal. Two known, after all.

I know Bahgra doesn't have many fans. I'm sure she's made many mistakes, having such a long life. No one in this series can boast of having clean hands. But I think she does love him, dearly. Perhaps when he was a boy she encouraged his ambition too much, and she's to blame for the path he took, whatever that is. Once it became clear he wanted the amplifiers she did not help him because she was worried. I think she has reason to be worried. Perhaps she's seen a similar situation happen before, with awful results. It's quite likely she knew Morozova, and that didn't end well, it seems.
It could be a redeeming moment for him to see her dying in his place. In S&S I think he believes she doesn't love him (because she defied him). If she died for him, he would understand how much she did.

On the other hand, it could turn out to be the other way: Alina desperate to know Mal has to die turns to Bahgra, who feels responsible for the whole mess and is full of regret. She accepts to become the amplifier. The Darkling finds out and decides to atone for everything, including what he did to her, and dies in her place.

I mean, I doubt Leigh lets us off the hook so easily... but if she did spared the Darkling, it could still be one hell of an ending. *bangs head on desk*


message 298: by Léna (new) - rated it 3 stars

Léna I'm just sure of one thing, when I will finish Ruin and Rising, I will comeback here and read all the crazy speculations we did, that will be funny, maybe we are completely imagining wrong things. I hope Leigh has an even more imagining mind than us to surprise us with something unexpected that we didn't think about, I just hope !!!


Abigayle Léna wrote: "I'm just sure of one thing, when I will finish Ruin and Rising, I will comeback here and read all the crazy speculations we did, that will be funny, maybe we are completely imagining wrong things. ..."

Same here. I'd love to see just way off track we were in our hopes and (crackpot) predictions. Personally the Darkling is the most interesting character and probably my favorite, but I don't exactly ship them, everything about Alina's relationships made me indecisive lol. Come June, we're going to have a bunch of depressed fans drowning in their ships. R&R's going to be my graduation gift and it can't come out soon enough.


message 300: by WinterRose (last edited Apr 23, 2014 02:40PM) (new)

WinterRose Lol me too. I wasn't so off in my predictions with Cassandra Clare's Internal Devices, but this one is tricky.

@ Cari, I really like your theory about Baghra being the amplifier. I think the only way she'd do it was to save her son, so that makes sense. I have a feeling something will happen with the fold that causes it to be uncontrollable, which is why the Darkling will realizes it has to be destroyed. Otherwise, it will wipe everything out. (Which we know the Darkling doesn't want. What's the point in ruling with no cities, land, or people to rule? lol)

But again, what will the Darkling do if he lives? Maybe he will go into hiding, but Alina will spread the rumor that the Darkling died a hero and helped destroy the fold. This way, should his "son" (remember the heir is supposedly in another location) AKA himself resurface in several years or so, he won't be hated entirely. He won't be targeted as an enemy. There's a REALLY good fanfic out there that features this headcanon I just don't remember what it's called.


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