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All can really remember is the storyline, and the fact that it is short and dour! My next one will be Martin Chuzzlewit which I'm starting in a few days' time. Will approach Hard Times with trepidation now though :(

I loved Chuzzlewit, although I see some people don't like the structure. The first three chapters of Bleak House, started this afternoon, are just superb. I'm almost jealous that I've fewer to read now than you! Including your next one, David Copperfield.

Jean wrote: "John - re Hard Times - "this does not mean we have to pretend an unsatisfactory novel is a masterpiece, just because it favours our side. . ." sounds like very fair comment. I do value ..."
Oh dear John, that is quite a damning review.
I am due a Dicken's read soon but Martin Chuzzlewit is very long! Have 4 books out of the library at the moment but if I get through them I may pop by your thread
Oh dear John, that is quite a damning review.
I am due a Dicken's read soon but Martin Chuzzlewit is very long! Have 4 books out of the library at the moment but if I get through them I may pop by your thread

I am very envious of you reading Bleak House at the moment, John. I happen to think that is his greatest work. But I'm definitely sticking to my plan to read them in order. I wouldn't have discovered the treasure in Barnaby Rudge, had I not revisited it. And I have great hopes for Martin Chuzzlewit too, as yet again all I can really remember is the story and the fact that the American scenes ... went on a bit.
By the way, Dombey and Son is next after M.C. Not for a while for me though. "The Pickwick Club" is currently reading David Copperfield, if you hadn't noticed.
Don't be glum, John! There's all the bits and pieces, some of which you've already enjoyed, (and for which I am very grateful!) - and anyway what's to stop you reading them all again?

Found this!
A Dickens of a list
For some time now I've been wanting to know what the comparative lengths are of Dickens's novels. Your guess is as good as mine as to why I've been wanting to know this, but yesterday, thanks to @DickensDaily on Twitter, I was made aware of the ranking by word count that I reproduce below:
1. David Copperfield: 357,489
2. Dombey and Son: 357,484
3. Bleak House: 355,936
4. Little Dorrit: 339,870
5. Martin Chuzzlewit: 338,077
6. Our Mutual Friend: 327,727
7. Nicholas Nickleby: 323,722
8. The Pickwick Papers: 302,190
9. Barnaby Rudge: 255,229
10. The Old Curiosity Shop: 218,538
11. Great Expectations: 186,339
12. Oliver Twist: 158,631
13. A Tale of Two Cities: 137,000
14. Hard Times: 104,821
15. The Mystery of Edwin Drood: 96,178 (first 6 of 12 parts only)
I reckon Oliver Twist is probably the best good shortish one to choose!

Thank you, I'll bear up! Of the Dickens to come, I've not read Great Expectations or Our Mutual Friend, or Edwin Drood before, so lots of joy to come? But when I've finished the Dickens novels, I'm going to read/re-read the Trollope Barsetshire and Pallister twelve, then the few Hardys I haven't read. And some more Bronte and Wilkie Collins. Plus Sterne, Fielding, Smollett, Richardson. Plus loads of Whodunnits, lots of English 1900 to 1960 novels, and all the serendipity finds from GR conversations. Makes me tired to think of it.
Just read chapter 5 of Bleak House, where Esther and the wards visit Krook's house crowded with old documents, furniture, rags, with the old lady, close to the Law Courts. Simply superb.
Leslie wrote: "@John -- I didn't much like Hard Times either!"
I liked it quite! Strange book for "Dickensian" standars I admit, but "The turtle soup" stuck in my mind
I liked it quite! Strange book for "Dickensian" standars I admit, but "The turtle soup" stuck in my mind

Thanks for posting that, John. I have read Oliver Twist and enjoyed it but it still felt like a long read! In fact, it appears I am yet to tackle a long Dickens with Nicholas Nickleby being my longest of his novels!


I'm also wondering what Charles Dickens himself would make of the list. Pleased that his favourite book got top place by a mere 5 words, perhaps? The one which surprised me was Our Mutual Friend, which I had remembered as longer.
Any chance of you posting the list on my Dickens challenge thread please, John?

By the way, Udolpho is only 290,369 (courtesy of feedbooks.com). Just a novella!

I guess it just wasn't my sort of thing then, to "feel" such a long read.

But think what else you could read with the 210k 'freed'!

I knew "Mysteries" was in four books and that I'd read the first one. So when my kindle said 4%, I was puzzled it wasn't higher - say about 25% - and ordered an Everyman version from the library just to check that all 4 were about equal in length. It finally arrived, I brought it home - to find they had just sent me volume 2, which contained just books 3 and 4!! Aargh!! Doesn't anyone check anything nowadays?!
Back to the Kindle, and after about half an hour's fiddling, I managed to discover the 4% was through a collection of books, of which "Udolpho" was only one. I was actually about 24% through. I may return to it ... but on the other hand I could read other stuff!
I do naturally read at a fast pace - I'm sometimes envied for it - and have to deliberately slow down! Plus my natural instinct is actually to be completist about things, but I am resisting it. Life's too short to read books you don't want to, isn't it?

Re e-books, yes, the one drawback of collected works e-books is the % read figure. If I can be bothered, I note the %s at the beginning and end of a novel before I start, or the location numbers. But, a bit of a bore.

My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


Back strictly on topic, the last book I finished was The Ocean at the End of the Lane by Neil Gaiman and my review is here .
Before that was I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou. My review for that one is here.

So glad to hear you liked Peace Like a River! I have that book around here somewhere that I picked up from somewhere and you have convinced me to move it "up the list". Now I gotta find it and schedule it in.


I think you enjoyed this more than me, Tom. I enjoyed it, but felt I was somehow missing something? What was it you liked about this book?

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Review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

[spoilers removed]"
That's interesting, I think I would agree with you and I liked the book for the same reasons as you. It is quietly unassuming, not sentimental. I think it would really appeal to someone who is a cat owner.
Finished Affinity by Sarah Waters last night and The Bone Clocks by David Mitchell this morning. I really enjoyed both.

Thanks for the review Angela, looks like an awesome book, I've added it to my TBR


I thought it was fantastic. I'm sure people will call this a coming-of-age tale, but I'm not sure that's entirely correct. I mean, yeah, a great deal of it involves the realizations of a person who is growing up. But a lot it are the ruminations of a person who's lived long enough to understand what things really were key in shaping his outlook and the path of his life and whatnot, if that makes any sense. It's a recounting of all that. I think a lot of people probably have a nonfiction version of a book like this in 'em.


Jen wrote: "I think I put my review in the wrong spot so will replot it here! Finished Me Before You...5 stars https://www.goodreads.com/review/show..."
I liked it Jen, but not as much as you - and almost everybody else! - have.
I find these are too complicated subjects to be discussed in a "light" book, after all!
I liked it Jen, but not as much as you - and almost everybody else! - have.
I find these are too complicated subjects to be discussed in a "light" book, after all!

I loved this when I read it, I think I also gave it 5 stars. Definitely not a light, chick lit book - this one made me cry.


I gave it a 4 just as it was a good, fast paced read and enjoyable. You are better at sleuthing than I - I didn't know it was a 50/50 draw!

I can't help myself - I have to try to work it out!! I believe it's going to be made into a film? That might be interesting...


It is the adventurous journey of Tripitaka, a Buddhist monk, who must go from China to India to take the Holy Scriptures. In this journey he has three disciples who help him and one of these is Monkey, a real troublemaker but he is also brave and it's thanks to him if Tripitaka arrives in India.
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