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message 1: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Delete? Author promoting his own book.

http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/39...


message 2: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Delete? Title makes no sense (and there are no edits in the log).
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/12...


message 3: by Greyweather (last edited Jul 09, 2013 05:58PM) (new)

Greyweather | 28 comments I would say, yes delete it.


message 4: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Lobstergirl wrote: "Delete? Title makes no sense (and there are no edits in the log).
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/12..."


Looks like that's because they were done in 2009 (before we logged listopia edits, I think).


message 5: by Lobstergirl (last edited Jul 31, 2013 06:54PM) (new)

Lobstergirl http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/14...

Tried to remove the "Sandy" from the title but I get unexpected error.

ETA: corrected.


message 6: by Lobstergirl (last edited Jul 20, 2013 07:34PM) (new)

Lobstergirl http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/20...

Tried to depersonalize title, got unexpected error.

ETA: it let me take out the personal name, but not the quotation marks.


message 7: by Lobstergirl (last edited Jul 10, 2013 07:51PM) (new)

Lobstergirl http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/23...

What a mysterious list. No title, nothing apparently in common with the books on it...

ETA: gone.


message 8: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Lobstergirl wrote: "http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/23...

What a mysterious list. No title, nothing apparently in common with the books on it..."


An untouched since 2009. For the ones that won't edit, I'd try again in a few days.


message 9: by Lobstergirl (last edited Jul 10, 2013 07:50PM) (new)

Lobstergirl http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/54...

Unexpected error.

ETA: Gone.


message 11: by Lobstergirl (last edited Jul 20, 2013 07:35PM) (new)

Lobstergirl ?
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/40...

ETA: Took out the personal name.


message 12: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
10 dealt with; 11 won't edit. Created low-priority ticket for lists that won't edit.


message 13: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl List to promote one book.

http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/40...


message 15: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Author promoting own works.

http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/31...


message 16: by Antonomasia (last edited Jul 22, 2013 11:39AM) (new)

Antonomasia | 514 comments re. post 14 http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/40...

Look at the user - the list is not made by someone called John Green, it's a fan making a list of an author's reading suggestions, which sounds like a legit public list under GR rules. Here's a blog which mentions it: http://misprintedpages.wordpress.com/...


message 17: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Antonomasia wrote: "re. post 14 http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/40...

Look at the user - the list is not made by someone called John Green, it's a fan making a list of an author'..."


Agreed.

Got the others.


message 19: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Got 18.

FYI, the issue with the lists that wouldn't edit was that Listopia lists must have a unique name. We're working on adding an error message for that case, but meanwhile, if you get an error when editing a list title, try calling it something slightly different.


message 20: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl So a) it allows you to create a name that is non-unique, but then doesn't allow it to be edited?

or b) it thinks you are creating a second, identically-titled list as you attempt your edit?

I think you must mean a), because there must be dozens upon dozens of identically named lists.


message 22: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Well part of the bug must be fixed, because today I was able to edit a couple list titles just by capitalizing words.


message 23: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Got 21.

As I understand it, every list name must be unique, whether first created or edited. I think capitalization may make it still unique.


message 24: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl List to promote one book.
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/18...


message 25: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl I would post here and let staff address it. Users shouldn't be deleting lists like that.


message 26: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Skyla (Skoyklha) Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books wrote: "I didn't mean I would delete it. I flagged it for consideration but I just wondered what the protocal was for it."

Flagging is fine.


message 27: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Flagging is preferred, in fact.


message 29: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Skyla (Skoyklha) Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books wrote: "The only problem with flagging listopia's is that it doesn't let you explain the reason."

I thought all flags gave you that opportunity, but I don't think I've ever flagged a list.


message 30: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Re 31: I left the one with 46 books and multiple voters. Killed the duplicates (with (a very few of) the same books and voters as the kept one.


message 31: by Lobstergirl (last edited Aug 05, 2013 11:38PM) (new)

Lobstergirl On listopias, you click on "flag as offensive" and immediately get the popup "are you sure you want to flag..."

I didn't want to test it on some random list if there was no way to explain I was only doing a test.

For every other non-listopia flag I've seen, you flag (and it doesn't say "flag as offensive"), then it takes you to the page where you explain why you're flagging, then you get the popup "are you sure you want to flag."


message 34: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Got 36. As for 37, those lists are open to other books meeting each set of criteria, limited though they may be.


message 35: by Sandra (new)

Sandra  (readingontheporch) | 269 comments How do you flag a list? The only options seems 'flag as offensive', which this particular list isn't, in my humble estimation.

The list seems oddly self-promoting as it was created by the author and only lists books by the author. The description also appears to be somewhat exclusive in regards to being only about books written by this author.

http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/42...


message 36: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Gone.


message 37: by AnnainCA (new)

AnnainCA | 7 comments I have a question about Listopia etiquette.

Surely it's poor form to put your own book at the top of someone else's list?

http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/41...

So far two different authors have added their own books (both fantasy!) to a list that I specifically intended to be for realistic YA fiction. Since I'm not a Librarian, I have no way of deleting these items, but I did add a note just now asking people not to add fantasy or science fiction to the list.

In any case, it just seems like rather bad etiquette. I'm new to Listopia and have added to other people's lists, but I haven't attempted to put my additions at the top of the list, nor am I the author of the books I added.


message 38: by rivka, Former Moderator (last edited Aug 30, 2013 02:59PM) (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
All lists are public. There is no such thing as "someone else's list". Also, where a book goes on a list is not selected by the user; they vote for however many books they wish, and the algorithm determines where the books go. If they only vote for a single book, it may end up at the top. It depends how many users have voted and on how many books each.

However, if a book does not belong to a specific list, it can be removed. My concern is that you seem to be changing the description of the list a lot, which makes staying within those guidelines difficult for anyone else.


message 39: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl AnnainCA, it is considered "in poor form" to spam your own book to the top of a list, but it is within the rules as long as everyone voting for that book is legitimate and the book fits the list parameters. However, some authors (or their cronies) create sockpuppet accounts and vote for their own books in order to send them to the top of the list. If you suspect this is happening, on any list, you can use the "contact us" link to report it. I have done that many times.


message 40: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl The way that list looks now, it has three voters, you and two authors. The two authors each voted for their own books, and those books have only one vote each. This is not spamming, not "in poor form" - as long as the book fits the list parameters. On the other hand, if an author votes his book onto 300 different lists, I personally would call that spamming and in very poor form.


message 41: by AnnainCA (last edited Aug 30, 2013 05:46PM) (new)

AnnainCA | 7 comments Rivka, thanks. I actually only changed the description of the list once. I think I originally specified realistic fiction, but decided it wasn't necessary, so only kept the first line.

I didn't honestly think people would try to add fantasy or science fiction to the list. But after I noticed two different authors had added their fantasy books to the list, I put the specification back in.

Also, I didn't realize that people weren't intentionally placing the books in the second or third position. How exactly does the algorithim work? It seems like new additions (with only one vote) should be at the bottom, not the top.


message 42: by AnnainCA (last edited Aug 30, 2013 05:47PM) (new)

AnnainCA | 7 comments Lobstergirl, thanks. It agree it doesn't look like spamming, but I'm still confused why the second person added her book to the list.

It seems to have nothing to do with my topic. There's no mention of cults, sects, or religious conflict in the plot summary.

The first one fits in a general way, although it's still obviously fantasy, and the list isn't for fantasy or science fiction.

What should I do now? I put the specification back in at the top, and I also added a note at the bottom. But still, whenever anyone clicks on the list, they're going to see those off-topic books in the second and third position.


message 43: by AnnainCA (new)

AnnainCA | 7 comments Maybe I should also specify no self-published or digital books? I don't want my lists flooded with books not released by actual publishers.


message 44: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl AnnainCA wrote: "It seems to have nothing to do with my topic. There's no mention of cults, sects, or religious conflict in the plot summary.

The first one fits in a general way, although it's still obviously fantasy, and the list isn't for fantasy or science fiction."


This is a judgment call. As list creator, you are entitled to make a judgment call about how strictly you want to enforce the parameters. If you've learned as much as you can about a book's plot or genre and it doesn't seem to be a good enough fit with your list, I think it's fine to delete it.


message 45: by AnnainCA (new)

AnnainCA | 7 comments Thanks! So how would I go about deleting it? I'm guessing I have to ask a Librarian to do it for me. Is there a specific group for that?


message 46: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl AnnainCA wrote: "Thanks! So how would I go about deleting it? I'm guessing I have to ask a Librarian to do it for me. Is there a specific group for that?"

This is the right group, the Librarians Group. Just start a thread asking a librarian to delete a particular book - mention which book, and link to the list. Make sure you explain that the book doesn't conform to the list specifications, because librarians know they can get in trouble for deleting random books.


message 48: by Mē-chan (new)

Mē-chan | 124 comments Sorry to bother you again, but is this something that cant be done? Or did I post in the wrong section? Can you please respond? Thx.


message 49: by Kristen (new)

Kristen | 17 comments I removed the last four, but left the first two. They appear to fit the criteria to me. I'm kind of skeptical as to how that first one got so high on the list, but they look like fantasy and they are the first of a series.


message 50: by Mē-chan (new)

Mē-chan | 124 comments Thank you very much. Could you remove the first book as well? This is more of a science fiction then a fantasy book. Not to mention this smell of self promotion since that book has only 18 ratings, 17 of which are 5 and 4 star. Pretty suspicious. Besides, time travel is generally considered sci-fi trope, not fantasy.


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