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Loving rapists and murderers
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Terri (N.J.)
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Mar 24, 2013 06:35AM
My opinion is...In life, I always believe people deserve a second chance, NOBOBY is perfect. That thought also carries over when i read a FICTIONAL book. I also believe with this book SO MUCH is NOT what it appears to be. Just like in real life we tend to jump to conclusions before we know the whole story. But I respect your opinion. It truely is a well written story.
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Not everyone liked it, Ayhan. I did not, but I try not to judge those who did. First of all, some write reviews based on the quality of the writing, as well as the actual story. While I did not Ike the story, I have to admit the writing is well done. Second, it is fiction. We all know it is fiction, so in a fictional world some can forgive a psychopathic killer, murderer and rapist. Just like in our favorite crime drama, we accept the leading man really did just pretend to get shot and has been leading a secret life and is now back...In real life, it would not work that way :)Finally, thank you for speaking out about this. Obviously, you are speaking for good guys everywhere. It's important we realize its fiction and in no way represents real life.
By the way, I would recommend you do not read
Seduced in the Dark or
Captive in the Dark.
Oh dear. You didn't have to like the book. But to come on here and make it sound so horrible. If it was that black and white, many of us would not like it. It is a great story and I don't know about anyone else but I didn't see him as that crazy.. Don't like it? Don't read any more and move on from the book you find so horrible. That's usually what the rest of us do when we don't like a story. We don't go out of our way to make those who liked the story, sound like we "reward rapists and murderers".
Ayhan...I don't think you are the bad guy at all. I think you are someone offended by the romanticizing (surely that's not a real word!) of heinous crimes--and, lets be honest, what is described in this book are heinous crimes. I believe you have a right to feel the way you do because this is a bit of a slippery slope...if its ok in fiction,could that bleed into our society as a whole?I absolutely believe there are women (and men!) as described in these books....I also believe our minds are powerful and humanizing a captor is a defense mechanism. There is such thing as Stockholm Syndrome :)
I think people are responding to you negatively because they feel attacked.
Oh...and I didn't like Captive either....I did read the sequel and it is much better than the first. I'm just not into dark reads....I get enough of that in real life. I like my fictional world to be feel-good :)
I would say, all of this is just silly.No one called you evil, but you are looking for people to argue with you. Go read another book. Maybe choose one you like. You read these as well, so you of course liked them enough to continue.
Good luck to you on the rest of your attempt to create needless movements against books no one forced you to read.
Shellody wrote: "Not everyone liked it, Ayhan. I did not, but I try not to judge those who did. First of all, some write reviews based on the quality of the writing, as well as the actual story. While I did not ..."Yes, I agree with you. It is not like we are reading a Non Fiction story about this subject :) Everyone fell in love with Christan Grey, and Gideon Cross as well, and they are NO better. Granted none of them committed murder (that we know of) but they were crazy in their own way.
I think it's just there are always going to be people out there who do not like things, and those people are going to try and make others feel bad about what they like.
Clearly you are doing the exact same thing here dear.
I'm certainly not "team tony", so not exactly your targeted demographic, LOLI agree that we could argue for days how these sorts of books could infiltrate our social consciousness, but I don't think it would solve anything. Truth of the matter is, some people truly enjoy reading darker stuff, and some don't. Maybe some people need to rationalize something in their own lives, and this is a way that works for them,
As far as reading or watching a news story regarding a rapist or murderer, I hate to point out those are not usually impartial either :)
Please, don't judge me by my bookshelf. I think you will be surprised by the shallowness of it. I truly read to escape, so it's pretty fluffy. I did read these four books (truth, consequences, captive and seduced) as a bit of a challenge. I kept seeing positive reviews and I thought maybe I'd enjoy them...I didn't, but I'm glad I tried something outside of my comfort level. I sort of have a compulsion to finish a book or series once it's started, which is the best way to explain why I kept reading them....I do not plan to get the third of the Truth series, however.
The sequel in captive was a bit of a surprise, but you got the general idea. (view spoiler)
I was not clear in my previous post...the reason I don't care for these books is because I prefer feel-good reads and these certainly don't qualify.
Ayhan wrote: "Comparing Christian Grey with Tony is like comparing Ted Bundy with Mother Teresa. Hopefully you are not in a position that requires to make decisions for people's lives.."LOL. I never thought I'd see someone equate Christian Grey to Mother Teresa...that's awesome.
Yes I make decisions in peoples lives. Because I liked these books you all think I am the bad guy.. LMAO ok I get it.. You keep reading books you don't like and then create useless posts to make everyone who did like them feel bad.. makes sense.. Enjoy your Sunday guys :)
@Shannon....I agree no one has the right to try to make you feel bad about what you like to read. I wouldn't take Ayhan's opinion too personally though..obviously he has some personal issues with the series, but that really doesn't reflect on you. I think he has a legitimate concern about the behavior in this book being excused, but that's his issue, not yours.@Ayhan...I like to think that those who enjoy this type of book just have a better imagination than I do. They take it as it is...just fiction. I can't get passed what it would mean in the real world. I don't like science fiction either...just not that great of an imagination.
I don't think you are the bad guy at all, Shannon...I'm just enjoying a spirited conversation about a book. I apologize if I came off as judging your tastes; I didn't mean to :)
Thank you Shellody, I can understand that, I however do not feel the attack on me making decisions for someone else was really needed. I am a mother, so that has me confused.. I think this is my first encounter of negative in the fictional world lol :)
Shellody wrote: "I don't think you are the bad guy at all, Shannon...I'm just enjoying a spirited conversation about a book. I apologize if I came off as judging your tastes; I didn't mean to :)"No worries :)
Shannon wrote: "Shellody wrote: "I don't think you are the bad guy at all, Shannon...I'm just enjoying a spirited conversation about a book. I apologize if I came off as judging your tastes; I didn't mean to :)"..."
Just to be clear that I did not say anything about anyone making decisions in anyone's lives...I truly can see both sides of this argument, so I'm commenting as such. I'm such an antagonist, lol
Shellody wrote: "Shannon wrote: "Shellody wrote: "I don't think you are the bad guy at all, Shannon...I'm just enjoying a spirited conversation about a book. I apologize if I came off as judging your tastes; I did..."LOL, I get it.
Yes, I've read Beautiful Disaster, and I enjoyed it. Regarding seduced (view spoiler)
My bookshelf pretty much captures everything I've read in the past year or so. Except my did not finishes...yes, I've had a couple, even though I really hate to leave things unfinished. I absolutely could not finish Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty Trilogy...but there was no story there, so that wasn't really hard to leave behind.
I don't think there is much more to be said...We all agree to disagree. Shannon loved it, you hated it, and I didn't care for it. Shannon thinks its just fiction and its ok, you think even though its fiction its not ok, and i see both sides.
Now I guess I have to do the laundry I've been avoiding so I could debate this book. My family needs clothing this week. Darn...
Any other books anyone wants to discuss? I'll mention one of my most favorites and one of my least favorites. Anyone read Sea of Tranquility? That is one of my favorite books of all time....how about Gone Girl? I was definitely in the minority there....I really did not care for it at all (can you tell I don't want to do laundry?)
I just want to jump in here again if i may. I guess everyone views things different. Like when someone says "Don't see that movie it sucked". Well i learned to just go on my instinct. I will say this again, with this series who knows what's going to happen and be revealed. It had a lot of twists and turns. My guess and hope is that the crazy housekeeper is responsible for so much. We have to just give it a chance and see what book 3 brings, then make a final opinion. I happen to love dark, crazy books. I loved The Captive Series. Love to see the turn around from bad to good. It was such a beautiful ending.
Terri wrote: "I just want to jump in here again if i may. I guess everyone views things different. Like when someone says "Don't see that movie it sucked". Well i learned to just go on my instinct. I will sa..."Hi Terri, I have to say, I think the housekeeper is responsible for a great deal of this. Something about her wasn't adding up in the 2nd book.
I agree Terri...honestly, I was a little nauseous while reading this series, it just wasn't for me. I really like psychologically provoking books, but these didn't work for me. I have figured out I have to have at least one character in a book that I bond to (Gone Girl taught me this), and this didn't happen for me with Truth or Consequences. I did like the captive series more, but still not my cup of tea.Have you read Mercy by Annabel Joseph? I barely made it through, I had to force myself, but if you like dark, crazy reads, you might like it.
Didn't we learn some secret about the housekeeper or am I thinking of another book?
I think you are right Shellody, I think she had a huge storyline dropped on us at the end of Truth and that was the reason Claire took off. I just can't remember exactly what it was.. She's bad news though I remember that much, she wants Tony's position or something.
Yes Shannon I think so. I really try not to think too much about the story because there are so many twists. I sometimes wish i would of waited closer to book 3 release to read them. I just love an unexpected, twisty book!
Ayhan wrote: "These are crimes Tony committed against Claire:-MURDERED HER PARENTS
-STALKED HER FOR YEARS
-BOUGHT THE TV STATION SHE WORKED AT JUST TO FIRE HER SO SHE COULDN'T HAVE HER DREAM JOB AS A METEOROLO..."
I agree with everything you said! No really. Every.Single. Thing. I hate not finishing books because I paid for them and want to see if my opinion will change as I read on, but this book takes the cake! Never have I wanted to throw my Kindle against the wall! Will the woman please get a backbone and just say "NO, I DON'T WANT TO" FFS!!! What makes it even more absurd is that people were aghast at 'Beautiful Disaster' by Jamie McGuire, and that book was Disney compared to these two (Consequences and Truth) *major eye roll*
Won't be reading Convicted as I cant be bothered will all this nonsense. I can see that this will end with a happily ever after anyways, and I obv don't agree with that so won't waste my money on stupidity.
...Anyway, just wanted to let you know that there is someone out there who agrees with your opinion and as you said somewhere else in this conversation, your freedom of speech. Well said!
I think she was related, or she at one point though that everything would be hers and it didn't turn out that way, or she has the ability to make everything that is his hers. I honestly think she has her hands in a lot of things he has no idea about. I am wondering how the author will spin her into everything. It was clear she has motives so we shall see.There were several people in the book, I was waiting to find out were on the wrong side.
And, if you are keeping score, we are two for, two vehemently against, and one spectator ;)
Shellody wrote: "I agree Terri...honestly, I was a little nauseous while reading this series, it just wasn't for me. I really like psychologically provoking books, but these didn't work for me. I have figured out..."No I did not read that yet, but it's on my TRL. I actually like a bit of everything. I just love a good story!
Shannon wrote: "I think she was related, or she at one point though that everything would be hers and it didn't turn out that way, or she has the ability to make everything that is his hers. I honestly think she h..."Shannon she was the nurse that was hired to take care of Tony's sick mother. She was a lot younger than Tony's father. I think she got together with his father before the mother died. I can't remember if they got married??? I know she was pregnant and then lost the baby.
FUCK YES. THIS. YOU SAID IT ALL! When I was reading the second book, all I did was to curse Tony for being such a sick psycho and Claire for being so stupid and dumb! UGHH Thank god someone like you sees what's sick and what's not. CHRISTIAN AND GIDEON had traumatic childhood not MURDERERS and RAPIST. TONY on the other hand was all of the above that you've mentioned. Just because he said he loves CLAIRE? Fuck me if LOVE can heal and forget all those unforgivable crimes he did. Whatever reason he had, still he made her LIFE miserable. Seriously. People. READ with your eyes and mind wide open. Sorry for all the cursing and such. But this is my personal take on the first 2 books of the series.
Terri wrote: "Shannon wrote: "I think she was related, or she at one point though that everything would be hers and it didn't turn out that way, or she has the ability to make everything that is his hers. I hone..."Yes! That is it.. thank you for reminding me. I could not remember.
Ayhan wrote: "Shannon, excuse me but you attacked me by having said that i was trying to make you/readers feel bad or how this post was useless or creating needless movements against books etc. I thought this pl..."Oh, you can let it go at any point in time. I sure have. I am not talking about the book. I have to say, I do love how much you got out of the book, you clearly read it and that is all that matters. You want to continue to be judgmental, which clearly you are, I will defend myself. You made a statement a while back about hoping I was not in a position to make decisions in other people's lives. That was an attack. This is a book dear, let it go.. move on.. go read a dog about puppies or something that will make you happy. You are taking life much too seriously.
Rebecca wrote: "Ayhan wrote: "Shannon, excuse me but you attacked me by having said that i was trying to make you/readers feel bad or how this post was useless or creating needless movements against books etc. I t..."Rebecca, first HI!! Second, thank you for your input. I actually went onto the author's page last night and asked her how she deals with topics like this. She said she has had it happen before, she has never forced anyone to read the book, and she never promised the story to be light and fluffy.. She is pretty proud either way that her book is so able to evoke emotion, no matter what that emotion may be..
with that said. The person who created this post, has nothing nice to say, they have done this on other posts, created drama.. The point in all of this is like you said, they did not come on here to discuss, they came here to attack, to make us feel bad or dirty for liking Tony. No matter what he read both books in great detail, he didn't skim through. I do not approve of the way he speaks, and the way he seems to attack, but I am going with what the author said.. It's great he read it. Period.
The point is. With all the different books out there, you don't have to like it.. You don't have to like Tony at all.. Many people do not, but I did, and several other people here did. If you want to say you didn't, that is great, I can see your side on anything.. i cannot however see where you think we support rapists and murderers.. This is a work of fiction.. It's a good idea to remember that..:)
Yeah, I mean I kind of felt exactly like you are, he crossed the very thin line of wanting to talk about the book, to wanting to attack and judge. I can see why someone would not like Tony, he is not for everyone, that's good and fine, but let's keep it respectful..
it's just intentional on his part, he knew what he was doing when he came in and posted this. It's just really sad, but I am glad he read the 'Worst books ever' all the same.. because I think they rocked :p
Rebecca wrote: "Shannon wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "Ayhan wrote: "Shannon, excuse me but you attacked me by having said that i was trying to make you/readers feel bad or how this post was useless or creating needless ..."I especially loved how we BOTH said, "you don't have to read it" and he came back with "don't tell me what to read"..
What??? Lol
It really was, and it's sad for him.. It really is, because it says a lot about him as a person. Not that he wanted to discuss a book, I think that is an awesome thing, but because he was not doing that at all. He wanted to tell me I am not intelligent? Where does he get that? Because I liked Tony? How does that make me less than? Right there. Says a whole lot more about him, than it did about me lol.
Ayhan wrote: "Rebecca, Yes i am glad that not so many women around in power even though i fully supported feminism and women rights and their integration into work life, but now i am not that sure.Indeed anybo..."
I just read this, you just crossed from a "book discussion" into being completely ignorant. I am so sorry for you, I hope you get a hold on that soon. So sad :(
LOL didn't you know Rebecca, if you like Tony, or you like Dexter it means you are the devil, and you support those crimes. If we go with his analogy, you would look the other way if you saw a murder or rape take place, and if you were a judge you would not blink an eye. hahahahhaha funniest thing I might read all day..
Really dude.. really?
I would say all these comments say about your psychological state.. not ours LOL
Good morning all :). Nothing like a good book debate to wake up to. Unfortunately, I had some really deep and profound thoughts typed up, and accidentally closed the window. This is what I get for trying to be philosophical before coffee...now I must be off to work, but rest assured I hope to be able to compose a complete sentence before the end of the day :). LOLAyhan...I know you weren't really equating Christian to Mother Teresa, but you kinda did. It did strike me as really funny, even though I understood where you were going with the comparison :)
Shannon wrote: "Ayhan wrote: "Shannon, excuse me but you attacked me by having said that i was trying to make you/readers feel bad or how this post was useless or creating needless movements against books etc. I t..."Ditto. lol
Bottom line..... This is a STORY!! The author states all the time "Do not assume". Try and keep an open mind. We (or I) still have a whole book to read. It is not over yet! I have to make a note to address Ahyan after i read the sequel.
Ayhan wrote: "Wow rebecca and shannon, i knew you weren't that bright but didn't know you are such illiterate, paranoid, narrow-minded bigots. So you've carried this away to personal attacks and this speaks itse..."You are just sad, I am a very smart person, I just find your comments rude.. You are the one who has placed attacks.. I would say it says more about you than anyone else.. Have a great day!!
Terri wrote: "Bottom line..... This is a STORY!! The author states all the time "Do not assume". Try and keep an open mind. We (or I) still have a whole book to read. It is not over yet! I have to make a note..."You are right Terri, it's a book.. Good or bad, it's great writing I feel, and I can't wait to read more!
Wait I am not smart because I liked this character? Exactly how are you finding this? I would really like to know?
No one called names.. we defended ourselves when you started to attack us as women.. Not cool
Terri wrote: "My opinion is...In life, I always believe people deserve a second chance, NOBOBY is perfect. That thought also carries over when i read a FICTIONAL book. I also believe with this book SO MUCH is NO..."terri- people do deserve a 2nd chance at reforming i agree
I admit I have been Team Tony. Only because I have been pulling for him. I personally think It will come out that he is not responsible for a lot that has happened. People perceive the story in different ways. No way should people be judged on how they see things or what type of books they read. I love to read all types of things, especially dark and psychological thrillers. I am a nice normal person I just love a good story. And I even work in an Elementary School! Go figure.
Terri, I think you are spot on, I think outside of him kidnapping Clarie, we are going to find out that he did not do half of the things that have happened. Which would kind of redeem him don't you think?I don't support rape or murder, but I can tell you something about him just sticks with you, makes you see that he isn't all bad and that there might be more to the story, so I really am hoping you are right :)
Ayhan wrote: "No, you are not smart because your arguments and words are beyond stupid, not because you merely liked your rapist.Just go away and find another one to attack."
Pity party for one at Aryans page.. After he has done telling us we are stupid, immoral and basically unworthy of man kind, he wants to turn the tables. I am done with you dude. I am glad you read the book.. I for one find you to be narrow minded and ignorant and still wish you all the best even though you have done nothing but attempt to degrade me as a female..
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