Clockwork Princess
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What did you feel about the ending or the whole book?


I agree, Jem did accept it that Tessa moved on to Will, but then she goes and runs after him. What happened to Will? She can't be over him can she?...

And I agree, making Jem mortal again was far too easy a fix.

"They say you cannot love two people equally at once...and perhaps for others that is so. But you and Will-you are not like two ordinary people."
I also think it is important to keep in mind, by the time Jem was mortal again, Will had been dead for at least seventy years. In addition her heart hesitated on that bridge when she thought of Will, of the pain of his death and how she had loved him so much.
A big theme of the book is how most people are lucky to have one great love in life an Tessa has found two.
The epilogue kinda ruined it for me too. While I liked the parts about Will's life (made me cry) I hated the fact that she ends up with Jem.
It'd have been so much better if he just stayed a Silent Brother or that he died. It'd be much more satisfying. This way it sounded way too happy, even unrealistic.
And I still can't buy the whole 'I love them both' deal. She should've chosen one and then stick with him.
It'd have been so much better if he just stayed a Silent Brother or that he died. It'd be much more satisfying. This way it sounded way too happy, even unrealistic.
And I still can't buy the whole 'I love them both' deal. She should've chosen one and then stick with him.
i hate the end i so hoped she'd end up with will D:

It's not about who I prefer Tessa with. If Cassie is going to sell an equal triangle, tell us Tessa loves them both equally in romantic ways, then that is what I expect to read. I WANT to read that. I know that's what she was going for, but I think she failed in the execution.


Becayse I find that to be incredibly unrealistic and insulting to Will - like Tessa said, she and Jem have been apart for years. She has built a life and legacy with Will, and in a way, it does make it seem like she is diminishing her love for Will and their life together.
I understand that it's been decades since Will has died (sobs) but Tessa is a completely different person than she was when she was 16/17, just as Jem is a completely different person after his experiences of near-death and as a Silent Brother. And for her to say that after her whole life with Will, that she has loved Jem consistently, in the same way that she did when she was a teenager, is pretty unrealistic in my opinion.
I adore Jem. This is probably the only series where I could. Not. Choose. And I think that the fault in the epilogue wasn't that Tessa has her chance with Jem, but that she insists that her love for him has been consistent throughout the years, despite her life with Will and their minimal communication.
Jem and Tessa are completely different people now. I doubt that their love could have stayed the same after all those years.
But I am happy that Jem finally gets to be happy. That's all I've wanted for him.


Tessa's equal love?? What the heck was that? When did it start? Was it an equal love she felt when she and Will make love after knowing that Jem has 'died'? Even if she didn't love Jem as equal as she loved Will, she should have given herself a mourning period.
And did she really need to confess her 'never stopped loving' you to Jem?
And for her to abandon her family? She had been wanting a family, for she never had more than her aunt and Nath. She cared about Nath a lot, even though he was an evil, and was not really her brother, but he was still her family.
But she left her family because she could not bear the pain of losing them? But she can stand the fearful pain of losing Jem, who she claims to have loved forever? Dang! it is so ridiculous!

Tessa is immortal because she has the blood of a greater demon inside of her alongside Angel blood. Her species is very close to a warlocks' and we know that warlock are immortal.
The reason Will can see ghosts is quite hard to say with accuracy. The only thing he mentions in CP2 about it is that the ghost appears to him when they are in need of something or have unfinished business
That's going to be explained in CoHF. The epilogue takes place on or right after the events of CoHF.


also does anyone know who comes into Sallow's shop after Gabriel throws him through the window? It's page 283 in the paperback, i just don't get who it is, since we never find out in the end...

I sooooo agree with you :) I think Tessa's relationship with Will is more believable than Jem's
I think Will deserves more than that after all he's been through. Sorry even though he is a fictional character. I really feel sympathetic for him.
but still I think the book is beautiful. :)
Faria wrote: "In chapter 12 (Ghosts on the road) Sallow shows Gabriel and Cecily what Benedict ordered, what exactly did he show them? Does anyone get it? I'm guessing it was a demon but idk.
also does anyone k..."
Wasn't it Aloysius Starkweather?
When the person enters Sallows' store he talks about cutting fingers and later Aloysius mentions that he cut some fingers? Wasn't it something like that? My memory is blurry on that point.
also does anyone k..."
Wasn't it Aloysius Starkweather?
When the person enters Sallows' store he talks about cutting fingers and later Aloysius mentions that he cut some fingers? Wasn't it something like that? My memory is blurry on that point.

And yes I agree that it was Starkweather.
What Benedict had ordered were papers. It was pretty much like a play bunny magazine except with demons. It says that Gabriel threw Sallows through the window because he had shown Cecily those inappropriate pictures. Sallows even laughs at one with a vetis demon

My main problem with it being that I didn't FEEL like Tessa loves them both equally. I always felt like she's IN love with Will while just caring for Jem in a more friendly way. I can understand what Clare tried to achieve but that particular part just wasn't very well executed. To me it just feels like she tried to please everyone and therefore it turned out to be too idyllic.


It feels like a broken tip to a beautiful porcelain vase.
i agree the epilouge ruined it. i would hahve prefered an open ending (even though i usually hate those)

He loved her for 130 years, and I thought that was romantic. She loved him too, for God sake she was wearing the jade pendent for 130 years. Anyways, I believe people can fall in love again or rekindle a romance. I think Will would want Tessa to be happy with Jem than mourning his death forever.
When Tessa said " Come with me,"" Stay with me.Be with me. See everything with me. I have traveled the world and seen so much, but there is so much more, and no one I would rather see it with than you. I would go everywhere and anywhere with you, Jem Carstairs.
It was so sweet that I almost cried.
I have to give Cassandra Clare brownie points because she did what no other YA authors ever done, the least favorite romance interest (underdog) being with the protagonist. The Infernal Devices was created because she daydreamed that Tessa and Jem was on the Blackfriars Bridge, and she thought it was a fitting ending for the series. I believe it was a great book; in fact, the best book she ever written, and I liked this unexpected ending.

I always felt that Tessa loved Will in a more romantic way than she loved Jem, I would never say she didn't love him, just in a different way than she loved Will. I thought her romance with Will was more passionate than friendly. I didn't buy that Tessa was in love with both equally. I don't know, I guess I just found the epilogue too fluffy and romancy and not necessary. Also I didn't need to hear about Will's death for like 5 pages, it was so sad.
(BTW, I don't think Tessa getting with Jem was disrespecting Will's memory, and I don't think Tessa should have to spend eternity alone just because Will died, and I doubt Will would want that for her either.)

It's very conveinent for her to have one boy unavailable. She gets to marry Will since Jem is a SB. Then Will dies, and Jem is available 70 yrs later. I personally don't think she will marry him or have kids, but still. I can't speak for everyone, but I wanted her to make a choice between them without bias (forget Jem's illness and Will's past) because the way it was written was not convincing for us to believe she loved them both so equally.
To me, looking at the first book and the second, the third would lead into Tessa choosing Will, and not because Jem was unavailable. I've read enough books to recognize romantic set ups. Tessa and Will was given development, growth, obstacles, all the things you expect from a well written main pairing. Like many have mentioned above, the love for Will definitely felt more romantic than the love for Jem. Jem was not given that treatment with Tessa, and therefore it is far less believable that she loves them equally.
I just can't get over how disappionted it makes me and I know a lot of Jem/Tessa shippers were also upset at the execution, or lack of.
I feel like had Clare said Tessa loved both but in different ways, with Will being more romantic and Jem being more like a brother, then I would have found it more believable. If she wanted to go with the "I love them both equally" then she should have written it better.
What I really hate most is the fact that it feels like Tessa only married Will because Jem was unavailable. Then going back to CP, it felt like one of the reasons Tessa said yes to Jem because Will was not an option anymore. There were just many times Tessa's "choice" was because an option wasn't available. It bugged me throughout the series.

It's very conveinent for her to have one boy unavailable. She gets to marry Will..."
Well said. I completely agree with you. She never chose Will!
As a reader, it's hard to go from happy ending to Will dying to her saying yes to Jem in 5 pages, even if seventy (eighty?) years passed between. I stopped reading the epilogue once I realized where it was leading to but I still know and that makes me so sad.
Although I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the Bromance! Will & Jem are right up there along with Harry & Ron and Merlin & Arthur in my list! :)


I agree.

Tessa is immortal and you can't expect her to be with Will and live forever alone after he dies. And I think Will is Ok with it, Cassandra Clare has said Will is Ok with it on her tumblr. If he was willing to give Tessa up to Jem while he was alive, why would he have any problems them being together after he died? He would not want Tessa lonely for the rest of her long life and he would not want Jem, now mortal again, lonley either.
And I think Tessa and Jem will make an appearance in up coming books.

I would love it most if the relationship between Will-Tessa-Jem was more like Harry-Hermione-Ron.
Hermione loves Harry and Ron so much, will die for them both. Hermione stayed with Harry when Ron left due to jealousy because she wanted to fight beside Harry, and because Harry needed her the most. But even though with the decision she made, Hermione never loved Harry in a romantic way, never did and will.
Tessa did love Jem like a sibling in CA and CP. In CP, after saying that she loved Jem, she asked Will.... don't you?
That was not a romantic love she was referring to, but a love that should be given to Jem, to care and to look after him. In different conversations, Tessa showed that she had always loved Will in a romantic way.
The Epilogue in CP2 has sadly contradicted the plot built in CA and CP.

I would love it most if the relatio..."
Is everyone forgetting what happen in chapter 9, Fierce Midnight, in Clockwork Prince? You don't do that with your siblings.

Nope... she was a teenager, with all the hormones and the need of knowing. She shared more with Will... or did you forget that?
Did you remember that she considered that as something that had Jem misled? That she was to be blamed hence to be responsible of the feeling she might have given Jem? Did you remember her hesitance in answering Jem proposal? That beside the guilt, she was also denied by the man she wanted most, that Will would also hate her if she hurt Jem?
Did you remember her misery and pains? Her hurting herself? Her constant unhappiness, especially when Will was there? Her needs to repeat to herself that she was engaged to Jem, whenever she saw Will?
I wonder if that is what we call love. Or an equal love as CP2's Epilogue is suggesting...

That's the vibes I got in CA and CP. I don't know what happened in CP2. I think the issue is that Tessa and Jem developed between books, so we never got to see it. Tessa barely knew Jem in CA and interacted with him very little. Then at the beginning of CP, we're told she is good friends with him now. Then we go from her hesitant agreement to marriage in CP while she's burning herself over Will and clearly torn up about it--to being epically in love with him in CP2.
I understand time passes between books and that with that time, Tessa is likely to grow closer to those around her. But I personally prefer to read about the development rather than being told it happened off page.

I read CA and CP more than once, so I am so sure that Tessa did not love Jem the way she loved Will. There was a moment in CP where I thought the love triangle started, where Tessa enjoyed the 'bed scene' with Jem. But then she was written to regret it, and felt guilty for misleading Jem into believing that she loved him romantically.
It makes me back to the understanding that Tessa was not at all into loving Jem as she loved Will. That the bed scene was more of her working hormones rather than a deep feeling, as the one she shared with Will.
And then the engagement, the hesitance, the regret, the pain she gave herself, the constant self reminder that she was Jem's. Tessa's heart was Will right to the end of CP.

I read CA and CP more than once, so I am so sure that Tessa did not lo..."
I think I'll read CA an CP again to refresh my memory.


I understand, Rachel.
Here is what Cassandra says on Tumblr:
“We are taught by many romance narratives that one can feel only one great love in a lifetime […] the idea has been entrenched in us by media that loving someone else next, as much, diminishes or undermines that love. It is the purpose of the Disney “happily ever after” coda — we don’t want to know what happens after the couple gets together: we assume an unclear sort of happiness awaits, but don’t want to know if they fight, or one of them dies first, or any of the things that happen in actual life. Their love story ends when the curtain comes down, and therefore they are preserved in happiness forever, like flies in amber — and none of the messiness of real life, of loss and death, of cycles of happiness and sorrow, of the inevitability of aging, ever touch them at all. I think this is an actually damaging way to think about love. Love, even romantic love, is not something you only feel once and forever, and to have loved one person does not make love that you feel later less. Love isn’t a zero sum game: we’re not issued a bucket of love at birth and the more of it we give out, the less we have (in fact, the opposite is true.) Very few people remain with their first loves forever; very few people love only one person romantically ever in their lives. Yet we are told that is the ideal we should strive for. That if love is followed by loss life is destroyed, and an attempt to move on cheapens the love we had before. It’s a narrative I’ve seen ruin people’s lives, literally, and so it’s one I both reject, but wanted to explore.”

Key word: trying.
I think everyone is very clear on what Cassie is trying to say about love triangles. That does not mean everyone is going to think she executed it well, though. She tried, yes. But I don't think she executed what she was trying to do very well.
At least that's my issue with it.

That said, I was however very surprised to find him 'cured'. Not because I dont want him to have a happy life, but I dont really understand the reason why he chose this anyway. I got the impression he wanted to die at the end, didnt want his life prolonged. So why did he chose to become a silent brother? Did he want to be cured and just took this course until a cure was found? did he actually want to be a SB in general. Did he do it, so Will wouldnt have to suffer losing him? Did he want to give Will a life with Tessa, and maybe find a way to be his self again after Will dies? I never understood the reasons in the first place, so I guess finding a 'cure' felt odd.
That said, I liked the idea of the epilogue. However I didnt like it just now. I mean if I would have read it at the end of CoHF, it would have made more sense. But the Epilogue just so quick after the actual ending of TID with Tessa and Will getting a happy ending, felt too rushed. Yes it is 130 years later, but for us readers it was a few seconds. Maybe it would have made more sense for Tessa and Jem just being friends for now and only the possibility of a romance later on., I dont know. I was irritated first, because I was still so sad to read of Wills death and their middle. The one we might never get to read, and suddenly its Tessa and Jem again. i dont know. I am glad she has him, so glad, for Jem and Will were one and now she has gotten half of that back, even if they are not the same person, but I miss Will. as those characters do.
that is actually were I do believe she loves them both. Different in my opinion, both equally strong but each one for themself. It is hard to explain, but I think she fell in love with Will on its own, but would have never trusted him without Jem. And Jem she learned to love because Will loved him. I dont think she could have had such strong feelings for each of them if she had got to known them seperatly. it was because they were one soul, that she could fall for them. Let herself fall for them. So I think it is ok for her to find love in the only person who is left. she fell for them both because they loved each other already and there was no possibility to love just one of them.
On the sidenote, I dont even think, if given the choice, she could have chosen either one of them for she would have hurt them both at the same time + including herself. The choice would have been impossible. so it made sense that the choice was made for her. I think I would have liked a more tragic way, like Jem truly dying, but then, it would have been worse for Will, and Tessa would have nobody anymore. At least she gets to have him for a few years. And he is part Will, as Will was part Jem. So dont be sad, dont be angry. Will and Jem cant be seperated. She loved them because they were one.
I do wish to read more about Tessa and Jem, because they are the closest to memories of Will, whom I totally fell in love with. damn fictional characters. and for some reason I think Will and Tessa and maybe even Jem might see each other again. Maybe his soul gets reborn. after all, all the stories are true, why not finding one another again in a different life?
I am happy Will got to have Tessa and I am glad he didnt have to suffer Jems death. It would have killed him too in a way. And I dont think Tessas love for Jem lessens the love she had/has for Will.
the love between those 3 characters is so much more than romantic love, so unique, that I am ok how it ended. not happy, because Will doesnt exist anymore, but as good as I will ever be, losing my beloved fictional characters.
PS: is there someone who has scanned the family tree? I have only the ebook version and its too small to read. :(

I suppose it will be posted on Cassie's tumblr. Just be patient in waiting.
Right now Cassie is still busy responding to Equal Love theory.

We all read it. I don't find anything to be so difficult to understand there. I even read Holly Black's comment.
What she says is not something that we can easily read in her books. I suppose I have to enhance my reading skills for me to be able to read those invisible pages, where I can find Tessa's romantic feeling for Jem as clear as I can literally read about her and Will... ;)

Also, I think it's from pure selfishness that makes me want Tessa to forever mourn Will because I love him so much myself. However, I am not immortal and I can't begrudge her for finding love again and being happy when she's been alone for so long (though I would have love to know who she would have chosen if Jem wasn't sick and dying). But I am content with Will being her first love, though she never admitted it in the books to Will (we all read and know she loved Will way before she loved Jem), but for me that's enough to allow her love and happiness with Jem because you truly never forget your first love - no matter how many come afterward. I think those of us who are Team Will don't want anyone to shine brighter in Tessa's eyes than Will and that's why it is hard to see her end up with Jem. But hearts have a mind of their own and she can't be alone for all her immortal life, I don't think Will would have wanted that.
However, I was under the impression that once you became a Silent Brother, you couldn't undo it (that it was a life sentence) so I'm a bit confused on that part, unless I missed some crucial detail that alluded to this in Mortal Instrument?

PS: It's so sad to read through the other mortal characters die. It's just... so sad and unfair but epic at the same time! All the feels :(
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