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What did you feel about the ending or the whole book?

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monet Just want to see what you guys have to say. :)
I'll say mine later, (still trying to get over the god damn ending)


Erin I thought it was perfect. Everybody wins in my opinion. :)


message 3: by Laura (last edited Mar 24, 2013 01:40AM) (new) - added it

Laura Sager Upon further reflection and reading other's comments on other threads I have to agree that it was a bit too "perfect." Tessa shouldn't have been able to have her cake and eat it too.


monet Laura wrote: "Upon further reflection and reading other's comments on other threads I have to agree that it was a bit too "perfect." Tessa shouldn't have been able to have her cake and eat it too."

I agree, Jem did accept it that Tessa moved on to Will, but then she goes and runs after him. What happened to Will? She can't be over him can she?...


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Alexandra I didn't like the ending (the epilogue, that is). Tessa being with both of them in the end feels like she was dismissing Will's love. Also, when she was engaged to Jem, Will said that he didn't want to gain anything from Jem's death, but isn't that exactly what Jem is doing? Gaining something from Will's death?
And I agree, making Jem mortal again was far too easy a fix.


Rachel I think it was amazing and perfect and beautiful


message 7: by Laura (last edited Mar 24, 2013 01:15PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Laura I love the ending and the epilogue! I think it is logical that she runs after Jem to be with him. She was in love with him the whole time, that was one of the major themes of the whole story. Her loving both boys did not diminish her love for either of them.
 "They say you cannot love two people equally at once...and perhaps for others that is so. But you and Will-you are not like two ordinary people." 

I also think it is important to keep in mind, by the time Jem was mortal again, Will had been dead for at least seventy years. In addition her heart hesitated on that bridge when she thought of Will, of the pain of his death and how she had loved him so much.
A big theme of the book is how most people are lucky to have one great love in life an Tessa has found two.


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Dal I loved the ending, not the epilogue though :(


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The epilogue kinda ruined it for me too. While I liked the parts about Will's life (made me cry) I hated the fact that she ends up with Jem.
It'd have been so much better if he just stayed a Silent Brother or that he died. It'd be much more satisfying. This way it sounded way too happy, even unrealistic.
And I still can't buy the whole 'I love them both' deal. She should've chosen one and then stick with him.


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i hate the end i so hoped she'd end up with will D:


Katie Loved the epilogue and the chapter before it. Very bittersweet though. I cried so hard.


message 12: by WinterRose (last edited Mar 24, 2013 05:03PM) (new)

WinterRose Hated the ending and hated how the love triangle was written. I wouldn't have minded the end as much (it's still too neatly packaged for me) or how Tessa ends up with both, or how she's torn, or the triangle in general if I was convinced that Tessa loved them both equally. It wasn't even WRITTEN equally to me. And I really wanted it to be. le sigh. That's my biggest problem with all of it. Very disappointed that Jem and his relationship with Tessa felt more like a plot device or obstacle for Will and Tessa than an equal side of a love triangle.

It's not about who I prefer Tessa with. If Cassie is going to sell an equal triangle, tell us Tessa loves them both equally in romantic ways, then that is what I expect to read. I WANT to read that. I know that's what she was going for, but I think she failed in the execution.


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Abby I really didn't like the ending, I know she loved Jem too, but I feel like she didn't have what she had with will so i don't like the idea that in the end she ended up with him, it makes her relationship with will seem less special to me, it would have been better if Jem died or stayed a silent brother


message 14: by Karla (last edited Mar 24, 2013 05:48PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Karla I think I would have been okay with her running after Jem in the end if she didn't insist that she's loved him for all of the time that he's been gone.

Becayse I find that to be incredibly unrealistic and insulting to Will - like Tessa said, she and Jem have been apart for years. She has built a life and legacy with Will, and in a way, it does make it seem like she is diminishing her love for Will and their life together.

I understand that it's been decades since Will has died (sobs) but Tessa is a completely different person than she was when she was 16/17, just as Jem is a completely different person after his experiences of near-death and as a Silent Brother. And for her to say that after her whole life with Will, that she has loved Jem consistently, in the same way that she did when she was a teenager, is pretty unrealistic in my opinion.

I adore Jem. This is probably the only series where I could. Not. Choose. And I think that the fault in the epilogue wasn't that Tessa has her chance with Jem, but that she insists that her love for him has been consistent throughout the years, despite her life with Will and their minimal communication.

Jem and Tessa are completely different people now. I doubt that their love could have stayed the same after all those years.

But I am happy that Jem finally gets to be happy. That's all I've wanted for him.


ȘᎯɱᎯɴτħᎯ The whole epilogue for me was amazing. Everyone's complaining a little about how she ended up with Jem in the end and I hear it all but I'm fine with it. The whole paragraph where Tessa explains the whole loving two people equally is what I feel is right for her. I do not think that Tessa ended up with Jem she ended up with Will and Jem the only difference is that Will lived to the limit of his life and Tessa kept living and Jem found a cure after over a hundred years of sacrifice. She has loved, always had, always will love Jem and Will. I always keep in mind that without Will there would be no Jem and without Jem there would not be Will.


message 16: by Nurlely (last edited Mar 24, 2013 07:01PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nurlely The Epilogue ruins it for me. I regret reading it, and I wish I would have stopped reading before the Epilogue.

Tessa's equal love?? What the heck was that? When did it start? Was it an equal love she felt when she and Will make love after knowing that Jem has 'died'? Even if she didn't love Jem as equal as she loved Will, she should have given herself a mourning period.

And did she really need to confess her 'never stopped loving' you to Jem?

And for her to abandon her family? She had been wanting a family, for she never had more than her aunt and Nath. She cared about Nath a lot, even though he was an evil, and was not really her brother, but he was still her family.
But she left her family because she could not bear the pain of losing them? But she can stand the fearful pain of losing Jem, who she claims to have loved forever? Dang! it is so ridiculous!


ȘᎯɱᎯɴτħᎯ You did read the book yes?

Tessa is immortal because she has the blood of a greater demon inside of her alongside Angel blood. Her species is very close to a warlocks' and we know that warlock are immortal.

The reason Will can see ghosts is quite hard to say with accuracy. The only thing he mentions in CP2 about it is that the ghost appears to him when they are in need of something or have unfinished business

That's going to be explained in CoHF. The epilogue takes place on or right after the events of CoHF.


ȘᎯɱᎯɴτħᎯ I feel that Tessa's life was not easy at all. Yes she had happiness with Will until his death. But then there was a span of loneliness where their children grew and died, where Tessa lost everyone she knew. It had not been easy. It's been clear (to me) that it was hard for her when Will was gone and time kept passing. Immortality is not an easy life and it will continue to be hard for Tessa


message 19: by monet (last edited Mar 25, 2013 12:42AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

monet In chapter 12 (Ghosts on the road) Sallow shows Gabriel and Cecily what Benedict ordered, what exactly did he show them? Does anyone get it? I'm guessing it was a demon but idk.

also does anyone know who comes into Sallow's shop after Gabriel throws him through the window? It's page 283 in the paperback, i just don't get who it is, since we never find out in the end...


Nadine Abby wrote: "I really didn't like the ending, I know she loved Jem too, but I feel like she didn't have what she had with will so i don't like the idea that in the end she ended up with him, it makes her relati..."

I sooooo agree with you :) I think Tessa's relationship with Will is more believable than Jem's
I think Will deserves more than that after all he's been through. Sorry even though he is a fictional character. I really feel sympathetic for him.
but still I think the book is beautiful. :)


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Faria wrote: "In chapter 12 (Ghosts on the road) Sallow shows Gabriel and Cecily what Benedict ordered, what exactly did he show them? Does anyone get it? I'm guessing it was a demon but idk.

also does anyone k..."


Wasn't it Aloysius Starkweather?
When the person enters Sallows' store he talks about cutting fingers and later Aloysius mentions that he cut some fingers? Wasn't it something like that? My memory is blurry on that point.


ȘᎯɱᎯɴτħᎯ I feel like Will and Jem both suffered a tremendous amount of pain together and without each other.

And yes I agree that it was Starkweather.

What Benedict had ordered were papers. It was pretty much like a play bunny magazine except with demons. It says that Gabriel threw Sallows through the window because he had shown Cecily those inappropriate pictures. Sallows even laughs at one with a vetis demon


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Rochelle Cassandra answers the question about why she ended it like she did over at http://cassandraclare.tumblr.com/post...


ȘᎯɱᎯɴτħᎯ Thank you for posting that :)


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My main problem with it being that I didn't FEEL like Tessa loves them both equally. I always felt like she's IN love with Will while just caring for Jem in a more friendly way. I can understand what Clare tried to achieve but that particular part just wasn't very well executed. To me it just feels like she tried to please everyone and therefore it turned out to be too idyllic.


Sishya I should have stopped reading before the epilogue. I thought the book had the perfect ending for Will and Tessa and then the epilogue happens! To me it didn't feel like Tessa loved Will as much as he loved her. I was expecting her to say "You will always come first in my heart.." or something like that which she never did. And to top it all she ends up with Jem in the end. Wow, I still can't get over the fact that she just moved on after Will (Even if it's after seventy years) with Jem! It just doesn't sit well with me. And I never thought the book would end with her being immortal. I always imagined both Tessa and Will growing old and dying together. I feel like I was cheated of a perfect ending. After writing this comment, I plan to tear off the epilogue pages and maybe then I'll feel a little better. Otherwise, a very good series. I like this series better than the Mortal Instruments.


message 27: by Nurlely (last edited Mar 25, 2013 07:58AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nurlely Sishya wrote: "I should have stopped reading before the epilogue. I thought the book had the perfect ending for Will and Tessa and then the epilogue happens! To me it didn't feel like Tessa loved Will as much as ..."

It feels like a broken tip to a beautiful porcelain vase.


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i agree the epilouge ruined it. i would hahve prefered an open ending (even though i usually hate those)


Linda The ending was very unexpected for me, but I liked the ending.I know a lot of people did not like ending because they thought Will should have been the only man Tessa should have loved. I disagree with this statement. If Jem did not become a Silent Brother, Tessa and Jem would have been married. I liked both Will and Jem, I could not choose who I liked the most. Yes, it was sad how Tessa was recounting her life with Will then Jem shows up, and he was not a Silent Brother.
He loved her for 130 years, and I thought that was romantic. She loved him too, for God sake she was wearing the jade pendent for 130 years. Anyways, I believe people can fall in love again or rekindle a romance. I think Will would want Tessa to be happy with Jem than mourning his death forever.
When Tessa said " Come with me,"" Stay with me.Be with me. See everything with me. I have traveled the world and seen so much, but there is so much more, and no one I would rather see it with than you. I would go everywhere and anywhere with you, Jem Carstairs.
It was so sweet that I almost cried.
I have to give Cassandra Clare brownie points because she did what no other YA authors ever done, the least favorite romance interest (underdog) being with the protagonist. The Infernal Devices was created because she daydreamed that Tessa and Jem was on the Blackfriars Bridge, and she thought it was a fitting ending for the series. I believe it was a great book; in fact, the best book she ever written, and I liked this unexpected ending.


message 30: by Hannah (last edited Mar 25, 2013 12:05PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Hannah I loved the book, didn't like the epilogue. Like some others have said, it felt too perfect and fluffy. I liked that Jem was still in Tessa's life, even as a SB, I liked that they could see each other once a year. I didn't understand why it had to go that extra mile of him getting cured and being with her romantically. I thought Clare was trying too hard to please everyone with the epilogue.

I always felt that Tessa loved Will in a more romantic way than she loved Jem, I would never say she didn't love him, just in a different way than she loved Will. I thought her romance with Will was more passionate than friendly. I didn't buy that Tessa was in love with both equally. I don't know, I guess I just found the epilogue too fluffy and romancy and not necessary. Also I didn't need to hear about Will's death for like 5 pages, it was so sad.

(BTW, I don't think Tessa getting with Jem was disrespecting Will's memory, and I don't think Tessa should have to spend eternity alone just because Will died, and I doubt Will would want that for her either.)


message 31: by WinterRose (last edited Mar 25, 2013 11:48AM) (new)

WinterRose Here's what I'd like to know. Could Tessa have still married Jem if he had been cured, with Will being alive also?

It's very conveinent for her to have one boy unavailable. She gets to marry Will since Jem is a SB. Then Will dies, and Jem is available 70 yrs later. I personally don't think she will marry him or have kids, but still. I can't speak for everyone, but I wanted her to make a choice between them without bias (forget Jem's illness and Will's past) because the way it was written was not convincing for us to believe she loved them both so equally.

To me, looking at the first book and the second, the third would lead into Tessa choosing Will, and not because Jem was unavailable. I've read enough books to recognize romantic set ups. Tessa and Will was given development, growth, obstacles, all the things you expect from a well written main pairing. Like many have mentioned above, the love for Will definitely felt more romantic than the love for Jem. Jem was not given that treatment with Tessa, and therefore it is far less believable that she loves them equally.

I just can't get over how disappionted it makes me and I know a lot of Jem/Tessa shippers were also upset at the execution, or lack of.

I feel like had Clare said Tessa loved both but in different ways, with Will being more romantic and Jem being more like a brother, then I would have found it more believable. If she wanted to go with the "I love them both equally" then she should have written it better.

What I really hate most is the fact that it feels like Tessa only married Will because Jem was unavailable. Then going back to CP, it felt like one of the reasons Tessa said yes to Jem because Will was not an option anymore. There were just many times Tessa's "choice" was because an option wasn't available. It bugged me throughout the series.


message 32: by Sishya (last edited Mar 25, 2013 12:49PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sishya Rose wrote: "Here's what I'd like to know. Could Tessa have still married Jem if he had been cured, with Will being alive also?

It's very conveinent for her to have one boy unavailable. She gets to marry Will..."

Well said. I completely agree with you. She never chose Will!

As a reader, it's hard to go from happy ending to Will dying to her saying yes to Jem in 5 pages, even if seventy (eighty?) years passed between. I stopped reading the epilogue once I realized where it was leading to but I still know and that makes me so sad.

Although I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the Bromance! Will & Jem are right up there along with Harry & Ron and Merlin & Arthur in my list! :)


Veronica Now the ending ended in 2008, and Tessa is still alive at that time since she's imortal. So do u think maybe Tessa and the mortal instrument characters will meet in the city of heavenly fire? Just something i thought.


message 34: by Rochelle (new)

Rochelle Linda wrote: "The ending was very unexpected for me, but I liked the ending.I know a lot of people did not like ending because they thought Will should have been the only man Tessa should have loved. I disagree ..."

I agree.


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Rochelle I personally like the epilogue. I felt equally torn between Will and Jem for the whole of the series and wasn't leaning toward one boy.

Tessa is immortal and you can't expect her to be with Will and live forever alone after he dies. And I think Will is Ok with it, Cassandra Clare has said Will is Ok with it on her tumblr. If he was willing to give Tessa up to Jem while he was alive, why would he have any problems them being together after he died? He would not want Tessa lonely for the rest of her long life and he would not want Jem, now mortal again, lonley either.

And I think Tessa and Jem will make an appearance in up coming books.


message 36: by Nurlely (last edited Mar 25, 2013 06:34PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nurlely Sishya wrote: "Although I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the Bromance! Will & Jem are right up there along with Harry & Ron and Merlin & Arthur in my list! :) "

I would love it most if the relationship between Will-Tessa-Jem was more like Harry-Hermione-Ron.

Hermione loves Harry and Ron so much, will die for them both. Hermione stayed with Harry when Ron left due to jealousy because she wanted to fight beside Harry, and because Harry needed her the most. But even though with the decision she made, Hermione never loved Harry in a romantic way, never did and will.

Tessa did love Jem like a sibling in CA and CP. In CP, after saying that she loved Jem, she asked Will.... don't you?
That was not a romantic love she was referring to, but a love that should be given to Jem, to care and to look after him. In different conversations, Tessa showed that she had always loved Will in a romantic way.

The Epilogue in CP2 has sadly contradicted the plot built in CA and CP.


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Rochelle Nurlely wrote: "Sishya wrote: "Although I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the Bromance! Will & Jem are right up there along with Harry & Ron and Merlin & Arthur in my list! :) "

I would love it most if the relatio..."


Is everyone forgetting what happen in chapter 9, Fierce Midnight, in Clockwork Prince? You don't do that with your siblings.


message 38: by Nurlely (last edited Mar 25, 2013 07:36PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nurlely Rochelle wrote: "Is everyone forgetting what happen in chapter 9, Fierce Midnight, in Clockwork Prince? You don't do that with your siblings. "

Nope... she was a teenager, with all the hormones and the need of knowing. She shared more with Will... or did you forget that?

Did you remember that she considered that as something that had Jem misled? That she was to be blamed hence to be responsible of the feeling she might have given Jem? Did you remember her hesitance in answering Jem proposal? That beside the guilt, she was also denied by the man she wanted most, that Will would also hate her if she hurt Jem?
Did you remember her misery and pains? Her hurting herself? Her constant unhappiness, especially when Will was there? Her needs to repeat to herself that she was engaged to Jem, whenever she saw Will?

I wonder if that is what we call love. Or an equal love as CP2's Epilogue is suggesting...


message 39: by WinterRose (last edited Mar 25, 2013 09:56PM) (new)

WinterRose Nurley, I like the comparison to HP. I wish TID had gone that route because it is kind of a triangle, but not a romantic one. THAT is how you write three people who love eachother equally, but in different ways. I'd say Hermione loved Harry and Ron equally, but differently, like one might love their boyfriend and brother equally. Or a mother loving their child and husband equally, but clearly differently.

That's the vibes I got in CA and CP. I don't know what happened in CP2. I think the issue is that Tessa and Jem developed between books, so we never got to see it. Tessa barely knew Jem in CA and interacted with him very little. Then at the beginning of CP, we're told she is good friends with him now. Then we go from her hesitant agreement to marriage in CP while she's burning herself over Will and clearly torn up about it--to being epically in love with him in CP2.

I understand time passes between books and that with that time, Tessa is likely to grow closer to those around her. But I personally prefer to read about the development rather than being told it happened off page.


message 40: by Nurlely (last edited Mar 25, 2013 10:35PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nurlely I was flabbergasted reading the Epilogue. It feels like Cassie forced an idea which is so alien compared to the whole story.

I read CA and CP more than once, so I am so sure that Tessa did not love Jem the way she loved Will. There was a moment in CP where I thought the love triangle started, where Tessa enjoyed the 'bed scene' with Jem. But then she was written to regret it, and felt guilty for misleading Jem into believing that she loved him romantically.

It makes me back to the understanding that Tessa was not at all into loving Jem as she loved Will. That the bed scene was more of her working hormones rather than a deep feeling, as the one she shared with Will.

And then the engagement, the hesitance, the regret, the pain she gave herself, the constant self reminder that she was Jem's. Tessa's heart was Will right to the end of CP.


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Rochelle Nurlely wrote: "I was flabbergasted reading the Epilogue. It feels like Cassie forced an idea which is so alien compared to the whole story.

I read CA and CP more than once, so I am so sure that Tessa did not lo..."


I think I'll read CA an CP again to refresh my memory.


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Mish Loved the ending it completely put my mind at rest and I wouldn't have changed a thing! It also cleverly ties Infernal Devices with Mortal Instruments. I thought it was what would happen because Will and Jem where the two very different sides of the same coin; it's no wonder she loved them both and that they both loved her.


Rachel NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THE TRUE THING CASSANDRA CLARE WAS TRYING TO SAY ABOUT LOVE TRIANGLES!


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Rochelle Rachel wrote: "NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THE TRUE THING CASSANDRA CLARE WAS TRYING TO SAY ABOUT LOVE TRIANGLES!"

I understand, Rachel.
Here is what Cassandra says on Tumblr:
“We are taught by many romance narratives that one can feel only one great love in a lifetime […] the idea has been entrenched in us by media that loving someone else next, as much, diminishes or undermines that love. It is the purpose of the Disney “happily ever after” coda — we don’t want to know what happens after the couple gets together: we assume an unclear sort of happiness awaits, but don’t want to know if they fight, or one of them dies first, or any of the things that happen in actual life. Their love story ends when the curtain comes down, and therefore they are preserved in happiness forever, like flies in amber — and none of the messiness of real life, of loss and death, of cycles of happiness and sorrow, of the inevitability of aging, ever touch them at all. I think this is an actually damaging way to think about love. Love, even romantic love, is not something you only feel once and forever, and to have loved one person does not make love that you feel later less. Love isn’t a zero sum game: we’re not issued a bucket of love at birth and the more of it we give out, the less we have (in fact, the opposite is true.) Very few people remain with their first loves forever; very few people love only one person romantically ever in their lives. Yet we are told that is the ideal we should strive for. That if love is followed by loss life is destroyed, and an attempt to move on cheapens the love we had before. It’s a narrative I’ve seen ruin people’s lives, literally, and so it’s one I both reject, but wanted to explore.”


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WinterRose Rachel wrote: "NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THE TRUE THING CASSANDRA CLARE WAS TRYING TO SAY ABOUT LOVE TRIANGLES!"

Key word: trying.

I think everyone is very clear on what Cassie is trying to say about love triangles. That does not mean everyone is going to think she executed it well, though. She tried, yes. But I don't think she executed what she was trying to do very well.

At least that's my issue with it.


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Franzi Hochauf I finished the book yesterday and have to say, the first thing I felt was sadness. I was so utterly sad that Will was gone (forever) and that there will only be memories now, from the time he lived in. So when reading the epiloge I felt that sadness, for it must be the same for Tessa. All that was her life, forever gone. I don't know if I could bear such a thing. So for her having Jem to remember this time by and Magnus is a blessing. They are the only ones left now, who can share the memories, so if I was Tessa, yes I would have also chosen to be with Jem.

That said, I was however very surprised to find him 'cured'. Not because I dont want him to have a happy life, but I dont really understand the reason why he chose this anyway. I got the impression he wanted to die at the end, didnt want his life prolonged. So why did he chose to become a silent brother? Did he want to be cured and just took this course until a cure was found? did he actually want to be a SB in general. Did he do it, so Will wouldnt have to suffer losing him? Did he want to give Will a life with Tessa, and maybe find a way to be his self again after Will dies? I never understood the reasons in the first place, so I guess finding a 'cure' felt odd.

That said, I liked the idea of the epilogue. However I didnt like it just now. I mean if I would have read it at the end of CoHF, it would have made more sense. But the Epilogue just so quick after the actual ending of TID with Tessa and Will getting a happy ending, felt too rushed. Yes it is 130 years later, but for us readers it was a few seconds. Maybe it would have made more sense for Tessa and Jem just being friends for now and only the possibility of a romance later on., I dont know. I was irritated first, because I was still so sad to read of Wills death and their middle. The one we might never get to read, and suddenly its Tessa and Jem again. i dont know. I am glad she has him, so glad, for Jem and Will were one and now she has gotten half of that back, even if they are not the same person, but I miss Will. as those characters do.

that is actually were I do believe she loves them both. Different in my opinion, both equally strong but each one for themself. It is hard to explain, but I think she fell in love with Will on its own, but would have never trusted him without Jem. And Jem she learned to love because Will loved him. I dont think she could have had such strong feelings for each of them if she had got to known them seperatly. it was because they were one soul, that she could fall for them. Let herself fall for them. So I think it is ok for her to find love in the only person who is left. she fell for them both because they loved each other already and there was no possibility to love just one of them.

On the sidenote, I dont even think, if given the choice, she could have chosen either one of them for she would have hurt them both at the same time + including herself. The choice would have been impossible. so it made sense that the choice was made for her. I think I would have liked a more tragic way, like Jem truly dying, but then, it would have been worse for Will, and Tessa would have nobody anymore. At least she gets to have him for a few years. And he is part Will, as Will was part Jem. So dont be sad, dont be angry. Will and Jem cant be seperated. She loved them because they were one.

I do wish to read more about Tessa and Jem, because they are the closest to memories of Will, whom I totally fell in love with. damn fictional characters. and for some reason I think Will and Tessa and maybe even Jem might see each other again. Maybe his soul gets reborn. after all, all the stories are true, why not finding one another again in a different life?

I am happy Will got to have Tessa and I am glad he didnt have to suffer Jems death. It would have killed him too in a way. And I dont think Tessas love for Jem lessens the love she had/has for Will.

the love between those 3 characters is so much more than romantic love, so unique, that I am ok how it ended. not happy, because Will doesnt exist anymore, but as good as I will ever be, losing my beloved fictional characters.

PS: is there someone who has scanned the family tree? I have only the ebook version and its too small to read. :(


Nurlely Franzi wrote: "PS: is there someone who has scanned the family tree? I have only the ebook version and its too small to read. :( "

I suppose it will be posted on Cassie's tumblr. Just be patient in waiting.

Right now Cassie is still busy responding to Equal Love theory.


Nurlely Rachel wrote: "NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THE TRUE THING CASSANDRA CLARE WAS TRYING TO SAY ABOUT LOVE TRIANGLES!"

We all read it. I don't find anything to be so difficult to understand there. I even read Holly Black's comment.

What she says is not something that we can easily read in her books. I suppose I have to enhance my reading skills for me to be able to read those invisible pages, where I can find Tessa's romantic feeling for Jem as clear as I can literally read about her and Will... ;)


message 49: by Janice (last edited Mar 28, 2013 04:22PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Janice Though I have been Team Will right from the get-go, with his sarcasm, his off the cuff remarks/jokes/especially his poetry, his love of book, as well as his ferocity and wild passion - I must admit I was okay with the epilogue. I cried and mourned for Will because he's my version of perfection but Tessa and Jem ending up together was alright with me. I only feel this way because of Magnus and the things he has said (both in Mortal Instruments and Infernal Devices) regarding being immortal and the difficulties in finding and wanting to be in love, when you live so long and those you love continue to perish.

Also, I think it's from pure selfishness that makes me want Tessa to forever mourn Will because I love him so much myself. However, I am not immortal and I can't begrudge her for finding love again and being happy when she's been alone for so long (though I would have love to know who she would have chosen if Jem wasn't sick and dying). But I am content with Will being her first love, though she never admitted it in the books to Will (we all read and know she loved Will way before she loved Jem), but for me that's enough to allow her love and happiness with Jem because you truly never forget your first love - no matter how many come afterward. I think those of us who are Team Will don't want anyone to shine brighter in Tessa's eyes than Will and that's why it is hard to see her end up with Jem. But hearts have a mind of their own and she can't be alone for all her immortal life, I don't think Will would have wanted that.

However, I was under the impression that once you became a Silent Brother, you couldn't undo it (that it was a life sentence) so I'm a bit confused on that part, unless I missed some crucial detail that alluded to this in Mortal Instrument?


message 50: by Abby (new) - rated it 5 stars

Abby The ending, to me, is somewhat very touching that it brought me to tears and sad and happy and... awkward at the same time, the last feeling being directly referenced to the fact that Tessa comes back with Jem. Don't get me wrong, I love Jem and would love to see him happy. However, I think that Tessa can't possibly be that dividing with her heart. She's supposed to be this grown, pure, and loyal lady who can't "switch hearts" in a flash. I just think that the ending could have been less shallow, that's all. Maybe this is because I'm a Wessa shipper, or because I don't like seeing the heroines being indecisive in the end, despite being immortal...

PS: It's so sad to read through the other mortal characters die. It's just... so sad and unfair but epic at the same time! All the feels :(


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