Clockwork Princess
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What did you feel about the ending or the whole book?
Tessa should be showing up in The Mortal Instruments Series... Shouldn't she?
I cried at the end, I'm sad to admit it, but when Will died, I bawled.
Stupid, idiotic, unfair, heartbreaking stupid mess. I am not happy nor satisfied.
I gave 4 stars to Clockwork Princess, and is now reading the book again in a very slowly way. Why am I getting more annoyed? I thought the Epilogue was why I gave 4 stars instead of my usual 5 stars to Cassie. Now I am already annoyed even before I got to 1/4 of the book.
Did I overestimate CP2 with my quick-reading and gave away too many stars than it should get? +__+
Kahlani wrote: "Tessa should be showing up in The Mortal Instruments Series... Shouldn't she?"I think so..:) If not. at least we'll have Jem. :D
Sophia wrote: "I cried at the end, I'm sad to admit it, but when Will died, I bawled."Omg Sophia me too. I didn't think I cared who she ended up with or how it ended and I just unraveled in the epilogue when I saw where she was taking it. I loved Jem, but I felt like Will was conveniently misplaced at the end and I didn't handle it well. It was kind of like she was laughing at his memory, idk. I know she reflected and thought of Will but still....it was harsh to end it that way.
And yes, I found out quickly that I was very much one sided and team Will once the ending and epilogue hit.
Nurlely wrote: "I gave 4 stars to Clockwork Princess, and is now reading the book again in a very slowly way. Why am I getting more annoyed? I thought the Epilogue was why I gave 4 stars instead of my usual 5 st..."
4 seems generous. I haven't written a review yet but I can't go over 3 because of the romance. I still don't think I've ever been more shocked (in a bad way) with the progression of the romance. Perhaps the Hunger Games..
How freakin lucky is Tessa to have both Will and Jem?! I wish I was her...a girl can only dream!
In the end it's all kind of tragic. She had a lifetime to be with and love Will, and then she also gets to have a lifetime to love Jem, but they will both die and then she'll be all alone forever.
Rose wrote: "4 seems generous. I haven't written a review yet but I can't go over 3 because of the romance. I still don't think I've ever been more shocked (in a bad way) with the progression of the romance. Perhaps the Hunger Games.. "I am starting to feel too generous... :( And I haven't even added the awful Epilogue!
I didn't expect to get much romance from dystopian novels as I get from supernatural novels. Less romance is better for The Hunger Games or Divergent series. I suppose dystopian novels work more for the main character's survival rather than their romantic feelings.
That is why I was so suprised that Susan Ee's Angelfall didn't offer me much romance. It is indeed supernatural, but also somewhat dystopian.
Penryn's fight against the world and just a 'teacup of romance' is why I love the book so very much! The best YA novel so far!
I have to say there were a few tears on my part for the ending of the book haha, BUT i really liked how it ended i was a massive Jem fan so it was nice to see that he also got his happy ending aswell as Will, even though Tessa lost Will she still was able to live a life with him maybe not as long as as she would have liked but she ended up getting to live a life with both of the men she loved... The ending with Jem wasnt predictable at all and i was a little shocked but good shocked.
Nurlely wrote: "Rose wrote: "4 seems generous. I haven't written a review yet but I can't go over 3 because of the romance. I still don't think I've ever been more shocked (in a bad way) with the progression of th..."Yeah, I guess I love the divergent series because romance isn't the main aspect of the series, it's nice it's there but i'm just sick of young adult books where the whole book is just romance and the cliché love triangle. *cough* twilight *cough*
i like Infernal Devices more than Mortal Instruments because of the dark and mysterious story line (not just the romance part) that's why i am not sure about my feelings for the epilogue. it became a fairy tale for me, you know, everybody gets what they wanted, everybody happy, everybody satisfied. dont get me wrong, i love all the characters, it's just that i think Cassandra wants to please everybody. though i am team Will, i love Jem. i really do, but they getting back together like that is not working for me.
ȘᎯɱᎯɴτħᎯ (ȘħᎯɖΘώħƲɴτεર) νετᎯιίᎯ ;) wrote: "The whole epilogue for me was amazing. Everyone's complaining a little about how she ended up with Jem in the end and I hear it all but I'm fine with it. The whole paragraph where Tessa explains th..."I soooooo agree! Tessa loved both of them and I think the epilogue was amazing! :) She was lucky she loved 2 people and they both loved her back. I was slightly more of a Jem fan but I'm happy she got 2 be with both of them.
I'm glad that she ended up with both of them. I died a little when Will died. But then, Jem was there and she ended up with him as well so I was satisfied. Since there is on't 3 books, Cassandra did a very good job with this. Did you all know there is a sequel to the Infernal Devices. I mean I love this series and what not but I think them adding another sequel is gonna make this series never end.
Faria wrote: "Yeah, I guess I love the divergent series because romance isn't the main aspect of the series, it's nice it's there but i'm just sick of young adult books where the whole book is just romance and the cliché love triangle. *cough* twilight *cough* "Have u read Angelfall from Susan Ee?
Angelfall is awesome! The best YA novel I have ever read. Susan Ee didn't even have Publisher to promote her book but has got so many fans! The book is well written!
Okay, I read why Cassandra ended the way she did, and I completely change my mind now. I don't think the epilouge is horrible. Now, since I now understand Cassandra, I think that it was the perfect ending. I agree with Aden. I DID die alittle when Will died, but then, you know, 80 years after his death, there's his and Tessa's kids running around the place, and Tessa's just lonely. And the way Cassandra explained how Will loved both Jem and Tessa a lot... yeah. He would be watching over them in heaven or someplace and probably screaming "Just be happy already!" So, yeah. I think that the ending was just right. (:
deleted user wrote: "The epilogue kinda ruined it for me too. While I liked the parts about Will's life (made me cry) I hated the fact that she ends up with Jem.It'd have been so much better if he just stayed a Silent..."
why would you want jem to die? hahaha. i eman seriously? i love jem. i hate tessa for having sex with will after knowing that jem was dead. and lastly i hate that tessa for having 2 leading men. hahhahahaha.
Nurlely wrote: "I was flabbergasted reading the Epilogue. It feels like Cassie forced an idea which is so alien compared to the whole story. I read CA and CP more than once, so I am so sure that Tessa did not lo..."
yeah i guess you are right. i also think that tessa didnt really as in liek really love jem the way she loved will. i mean, yeah she loves jem but its more of a brotherly love i guess.
i guess the people whoa are actually sad of the epilogue are the WESSA SHIPPERS. well im A JESSA SHIPPER so im really happy with the ending.
I don't like the Epilogue! It is not because I am Will's fans but because the story was not built properly for Tessa to have loved Will and Jem equally. It was all about Tessa's love for Will in CA and CP. I actually would not mind at all if Will was to be the Silent brother and Tessa was to marry Jem (as much as it broke my heart) as she had promised him to (not because she was sooooo in love with Jem too), but that will screw Cassie's plan of Will continuing the Herondale's heritage.
So the CP2 cheated me by suddenly came out with an idea of Tessa loved both boys equally, hence spent more than necessary time exploring the characters' love lives, which unfortunately only ended up with contradicting what have been served in CA and CP.
CP2 for me is executed to keep all fans happy, by not having Tessa chose one of another boy. That is so disappointing!
Cassandra is writing a series that takes place between TID and TMI so more Will! And I agree with your poinion, Nurlely. It seemed like a cheap shot to make everyone happy.
I agree, as much as i Loved Jem. It was either he died and Tessa and Will were happy, or he stayed alive and everyone was miserable. The brotherhood and epilogue weren't necessary.
Gabby wrote: "I agree, as much as i Loved Jem. It was either he died and Tessa and Will were happy, or he stayed alive and everyone was miserable. The brotherhood and epilogue weren't necessary."Agree!
And I feel the parabatai and the equal love theories are not convincing. I have bought all Cassie's books and has been her fans for long, but fortunately (yet sadly) I am not blind to her flaws in writing TID. I am so annoyed with her decision in executing CP2. She didn't have to satisfy all her fans. She just needs to write good stories despite the sadness she might cause due to a sad ending.
Sad ending never matters if it completes the whole story.
Nurlely wrote: "Gabby wrote: "I agree, as much as i Loved Jem. It was either he died and Tessa and Will were happy, or he stayed alive and everyone was miserable. The brotherhood and epilogue weren't necessary."..."
Exactly! Well said. I always choose a team from the series I am reading, and although the main character never chooses the one i like, i still appreciate the series. In a way, though, i'm glad Cassie tried to make everyone happy, unfortunately, she didn't succeed.
Gabby wrote: "I agree, as much as i Loved Jem. It was either he died and Tessa and Will were happy, or he stayed alive and everyone was miserable. The brotherhood and epilogue weren't necessary."hmmm.. but Jem's brotherhood might play a major part in COHF though
Faria wrote: "Gabby wrote: "I agree, as much as i Loved Jem. It was either he died and Tessa and Will were happy, or he stayed alive and everyone was miserable. The brotherhood and epilogue weren't necessary."..."
Meh. I'd rather he died. Being one of the brotherhood seems like a life wasted, in my opinion. And hence what I said before, I preferred Tessa with Will
Jem being a silent brother is kind of too convenient.He became a si-bro and then obviously 'granted' with immortality, but was a bit exclusive, for he still possessed his sight, had unsealed mouth and branded with no scars like the rest of si-bro. He was even 'granted' with emotions.
Then he was stripped from being a si-bro and then became a mortal and was free from his too-long-term illness.
A long sick mortal to a special immortal to a healthy mortal.
Cassie was so 'generous' with Jem and Tessa. If I only read CP2 without reading CA and CP, I can say that Jem and Tessa had always been destined to be together. Will was on the way, but Will could not be removed from the happy picture with Tessa, for there is a Jace Herondale as his dead weight, living in the future, a reminder that Will needed his heritage continued, and Will would not be with anyone but Tessa.
Why did my loving reading CA have to be ended with reading CP2???
Exactly, well said again! Everything was ALL too okay! I mean, they found a cure just as Tessa had no one to be with and blah, blah. I would, honestly, read the other two separately, they were just so different!
Gabby wrote: "Exactly, well said again! Everything was ALL too okay! I mean, they found a cure just as Tessa had no one to be with and blah, blah. I would, honestly, read the other two separately, they were just..."Thanks Gabby. I considered CA as a very good start for TID. I was so shocked and amazed with how TID ended. Not because Tessa ended up with Jem but because for me, CP2 was cop-out and I felt cheated with most of the story in it.
I am so glad I wasn't the only one! I was so sure i was alone :/
Gabby wrote: "I am so glad I wasn't the only one! I was so sure i was alone :/"No... you are not alone.
I do respect how much time Cassandra put into this, I was just disappointed with the outcome :/
Cassie loves her fans. But I think her intention of wanting to keep her fans happy has swayed her from her usual awesome plotline.
She deserved neither one of them she was a slut that got to have her cake and eat it too. She sure as hell did not deserve Jem nor did Will. The both disgust me. That slut was like well Will is dead and I am immortal. oH look Jem now I don't have to be alone. SLUT! I don't see where that is consider romantic or sad. You sure as hell don't screw your fiancée best friend before his body is even cold. I am sorry but I do not see what you guys see. I only see Jem's sacrifice and then he later gets Will's Sloppy second like 100+ years later. WOW really. Lets call this crap true love cause everyone wants their love life to be like this. Hell no I want you to love me and only me forsaking all other. I want to to look at me and think only of me not how hot another dude kiss was compared to mine, or is touch.... I sure is hell don't want you to go screw any man sure as shit not my blood brother just as soon as the doc say I'm dead. That my friend is true love. What you consider love is only a little girl who is smitten with two handsome boys that are different as night and day, and she cant have both personality in one body so she decides to just have them both and she did. because if she loved Jem so much them she would have stood by him and let the other go amd vis versa.
RoseRed wrote: "Hated the ending and hated how the love triangle was written. I wouldn't have minded the end as much (it's still too neatly packaged for me) or how Tessa ends up with both, or how she's torn, or th..."That's was my main problem with CP2. Cassandra failed to deliver an equal love triangle. I don't know if you read her blog post defending her ending. She went on about how she wanted to give the message that there isn't only one true love by giving examples of divorced couples that remarried to support her theory. I was like, what? How did that relate to the love triangle in Infernal Devices? I didn't begrudge Tessa for moving on with her life with Jem after so many years. What I didn't buy was that she loved them both equally at the same time.
I don't think she loved Jem at all I think she saw him as a distraction from Will and later a back up plan. I never thought he would choose in in the end (duh the pretty boy always win) but I was pissed that the author choose make him a silent brother instead of just killing him off which was probable her original plan. She let the fans influence her decision. And I hate that he was ok with them being together umm yeah noooo where is a black dagger brotherhood's MINE when you need it. This was a sad attempt to keep the peace. I guess that is way it is called fiction because that shit would of went down a hell of a lot different in real life. I mean no one is that understanding and kind when the heart is involved love is a jealous bitch who will either make u unbelievably happy or destroy you completely there is no middle ground.
So much haters. I actually loved the ending. Yes, the ending is unrealistic, but that why its a YA fantasy book. It's still a great book, and I prefer Tessa to be with Jem then by alone forever.P.S. Teams are so overrated .
Jem was always my favorite through out the story, I think that it was a little to perfect of an ending for Tessa, that she got both will and Jem. It also seems like oh Will is dead so I guess I will be with Jem now. It was an interesting way to end is all I am saying.
It made me cry my ass off.
Hmmmm i agreed the ending was a little too perfect being married to Will then Jem suddenly being able to not be a silent brother anymore and be with Tessa. Was a little disappointed with the straightforwardness of it all really. Kinda like ah well hes dead not and oh look Jem managed to sort things out yay! i did enjoy the series though, if i hadn't read the very last chapter it would have been perfect.
I loved the end, cried my eyes out, right up until they met on the bridge.To me it was a cop-out to allow her to have both boys no matter how far apart and I don't think it had to be either Jem or alone forever, she might have met someone else to love at some point.
I guess the worst part for me was I never felt the love between Tessa and Jem, it seem more like affection/pity than the love she seemed to have for Will. That is why the triangle concept didn't work for me it was not executed well enough I didn't feel she was that torn between them except out of loyalty for having agreed to marry Jem than a greater/equal love for him.
Cathryn wrote: "I loved the end, cried my eyes out, right up until they met on the bridge.To me it was a cop-out to allow her to have both boys no matter how far apart and I don't think it had to be either Jem o..."
I guess I felt the same for me as well. I never understood the Tessa/Jem thing properly since I mostly felt that Tessa was in love with Will from the beginning to the end. The love she felt for Jem just wasn't on the same level as it was for Will, and Cassie just didn't show Tessa's love for Jem as serious in her writing.
Faria wrote: "I guess I felt the same for me as well. I never understood the Tessa/Jem thing properly since I mostly felt that Tessa was in love with Will from the beginning to the end. The love she felt for Jem just wasn't on the same level as it was for Will, and Cassie just didn't show Tessa's love for Jem as serious in her writing. "Yes that is what I saw too, it would have been a lot more tragic if the Jem/Tessa love story were stronger but I felt she was really "in love" with Will right from the start.
I didn't actually feel satisfied with the ending even before the epilogue. I just felt like Tessa wasn't being true to herself and her feelings (maybe this was only me that felt that though). I got the impression that she settled for Will in some way (even though I've always thought - and still think - that she loved Will more than Jem) and that made me utterly sad because I've been the biggest Will fan in the world since Clockwork Angel. He adored her and she was just like, well I love them both and since Jem isn't available right now, I shall have Will. I just felt that she was lying to herself and that she truly was in love with Will. :( I know that they both loved each other but it really annoyed me when she got together with Jem in the end. Not only was I extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY, upset that Will had died - I literally was trying SO hard not to cry - but when Will was going on about how he would never be able to go after Tessa if Jem had died and then Jem doing practically the opposite of what Will would have done in the end upset me even more. I just came out of the book feeling really unsatisfied and irritated - and still am thinking about it. I love Cassandra Clare to pieces and I admire her for her fresh take on love triangles but I will always be for the one guy in the end. I just think it's too unfair to both guys for her just to state how she loves them both when I got the impression she really did love Will more...Anyway, just my opinion. I don't mean to cause any offence! :P
Cathryn wrote: "I loved the end, cried my eyes out, right up until they met on the bridge.To me it was a cop-out to allow her to have both boys no matter how far apart and I don't think it had to be either Jem o..."
Wholeheartedly agree! :D
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Mind-reading much? ;)
You literally stole the words from my mind. I hear most people saying that Tessa being with Jem is disrespect to Will's memory. But it isn't. Wouldn't Will want Tessa to be happy after he's dead? specially when it's Jem we're talking about here. Although I still don't like the fact that they ended up together. Like you said, should've ended with them meeting once in a year; not this overly romantic unnecessary union! :|