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Matthew Anderson | 60 comments Burning Chrome by William Gibson
The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick
Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner

I think we could get alot of good discussion out of any of these. Also I already own them and wouldn't have to go out and buy/borrow them.


message 2: by Rick (last edited Mar 23, 2013 01:40PM) (new)

Rick I think the Brunner would freak out a lot of people (and some of it riffs on what were then current themes and concerns about the world). Burning Chrome is excellent. Not sure if folks are up for a short collection. The PK Dick is something I've never read.

However, I'd kind of like to do something recent and/or not by someone super-well known. Lauren Beukes Zoo City or Moxyland, Walter John Williams (This is Not A Game perhaps), Jeff Noon, etc. Perhaps Ken MacLeod's Cassini Division or Learning The World or a recent Alistair Reynolds (House of Suns?) I'd suggest The Quantum Thief but I don't know how well people take to post-singularity fiction and it's a bit dense with ideas and SF concepts. One of those books that assumes the reader is steeped in SF and so might not be as easy for folks from the fantasy side of the aisle.

It's not that I don't like the three you came up with but it feels like the last few months have, on both sides of the aisle, been about older 'classics' or books from well known authors or both. That has value, but there are a lot of good authors who either are newer (Beukes, Rajaniemi) or who have been working for a long time and aren't, for some reason, as well known as they might be (Noon, Macleod, Williams).


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Rob (robzak) | 7205 comments Mod
Alif the Unseen, though Zoo City was part of the humble eBook bundle, so I haven't and haven't had a chance to read it.


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Sean O'Hara (seanohara) | 2365 comments I think it's about time we do some alternate history, but instead of Man in the High Castle (sorry, I've read too much alt.history about WWII) how about Lion's Blood by Steven Barnes -- set in a timeline where Carthage destroyed Rome and the Americas were colonized by Africans with Irish slaves.


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Rick Alif would be interesting. it's out in paper soon...

Is alt history Laser? Sword? Neither? Both?


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Pickle | 192 comments for PKD id rather nominate Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said


message 8: by Joyce (last edited Mar 23, 2013 08:35PM) (new)

Joyce (eternity21) | 198 comments A few suggestions:
Friday by Robert Heinlein
WebMage by Kelley McCullough
Night Train to Rigel by Timothy Zahn
Hunting Party by Elizabeth Moon
Light by M. John Harrison
The Eternity Artifact by L.E. Modesitt Jr
Parallelities by Alan Dean Foster
The Maker of Universes by Philip Jose Farmer


message 9: by Casey (new)

Casey | 654 comments Lets see, it'll be a laser so why not Wool Omnibus or Pushing Ice?

But I suspect that if Tom and Veronica want our help, they'll ask for it.


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Brew | 44 comments I second Wool Omnibus.


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Camilla Hansen (malazanshadowdancer) | 64 comments I still haven't gotten to Wool Omnibus, so I would love to have it as a pick, but I'm excited to see what Tom will come with, though.


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library_jim | 212 comments A Canticle for Leibowitz.
There was a lot of steam behind Martian Chronicles when Bradbury died and we still haven't got around to that.

Is Year Zero in paperback yet? That might be good.
Little Brother would be a fun discussion.


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Mike (mikennn) How about The Rook? I just finished it and several friends are now reading it based on my recommendation. Has a very Torchwood-y vibe.


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Karl Smithe | 77 comments If you are going to do a John Brunner book then I would suggest Shockwave Rider. I have tried three of his books and that is the only one I finished.


message 15: by Tom, Supreme Laser (new)

Tom Merritt (tommerritt) | 1195 comments Mod
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is top on the voters list http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/20...

I like Alif the Unseen as an idea. I consider it to lean Laser (Tech) with a patina of Sword (1001 Nights). Very Neal Stephenson and William Gibson in that way.

Wool Omnibus seems good too.


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Casey | 654 comments Out of curiosity, would the group ever be interested in reading a "Best of.." or an anthology?
Something like The Best of Michael Swanwick perhaps? So far it's a damn good read.


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Geoff (geoffgreer) House of Suns by Alastair Reynolds


message 18: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 7205 comments Mod
Tom wrote: "I like Alif the Unseen as an idea. I consider it to lean Laser (Tech) with a patina of Sword (1001 Nights). Very Neal Stephenson and William Gibson in that way."

Plus it supports a former guest! Not that I'm trying to influence your decision. o.O


message 19: by Dharmakirti (last edited Mar 25, 2013 12:45PM) (new)

Dharmakirti | 942 comments Alif the Unseen was one of my favorite books of 2012 and I would love to read it again. For me, the presence of djinn puts the book pretty firmly in the Sword category.

A few sci-fi books I would love the book club to read are:
The Dervish House
The Quantum Thief
A Fire Upon the Deep
The Madness Season
Embassytown


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Dharmakirti | 942 comments Casey wrote: "Lets see, it'll be a laser so why not Wool Omnibus or Pushing Ice?

But I suspect that if Tom and Veronica want our help, they'll ask for it."


Regarding Wool Omnibus, the Goodreads group Alternative Worlds will be reading it starting April 1. http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1...


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Jason (Martouff) | 3 comments Brew wrote: "I second Wool Omnibus."

I third.


message 22: by Derek (new)

Derek (raistlinsghost) | 81 comments I'd go with The Handmaid's Tale. It is number 22 on the S&L list, you can never go wrong with dystopian sci-fi and it has recently been released on Audible. Whispersync ready and everything. Oh dear, this reads like an Amazon ad. But its still a good pick.


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AndrewP (andrewca) | 2668 comments Now that T&V are not under such strict time restraints Pandora's Star.


message 24: by Tom, Supreme Laser (new)

Tom Merritt (tommerritt) | 1195 comments Mod
Derek wrote: "I'd go with The Handmaid's Tale. It is number 22 on the S&L list, you can never go wrong with dystopian sci-fi and it has recently been released on Audible. Whispersync ready and everything. Oh dea..."

I could *swear* we read this but maybe I'm confusing it with the book club I was in with Josh Lawrence before Sword and Laser was a thing.


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Dara (cmdrdara) | 2702 comments Wool would be cool. Been sitting on my kindle for a few months.


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Casey | 654 comments The Left Hand of Darkness would also be a really good choice.


message 27: by Jlawrence, S&L Moderator (new)

Jlawrence | 964 comments Mod
Tom wrote: "Derek wrote: "I'd go with The Handmaid's Tale. It is number 22 on the S&L list, you can never go wrong with dystopian sci-fi and it has recently been released on Audible. Whispersync ready and everything. Oh dear..."

I could *swear* we read this but maybe I'm confusing it with the book club I was in with Josh Lawrence before Sword and Laser was a thing. "


Ah, yes! It was that pre-S&L book club, Tom. I remember we all planned to watch the movie, too, and compare it with the book, but were too lazy. As a S&L pick I think it'd provoke some good discussion.

Of ones mentioned so far, I'm also in favor of A Fire Upon the Deep (been lobbying for it forever), The Left Hand of Darkness, and The Stars My Destination.


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library_jim | 212 comments I second A Fire Upon the Deep.


message 29: by Daryl (new)

Daryl | 101 comments Although perhaps many have read this (still in my To-read!) but still worth discussing - William Gibson's Neuromancer.


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Buzz Park (buzzpark) | 394 comments How about Peter F. Hamilton's new book Great North Road, since they just did an interview with him on S& L?


message 31: by Jlawrence, S&L Moderator (new)

Jlawrence | 964 comments Mod
Daryl wrote: "Although perhaps many have read this (still in my To-read!) but still worth discussing - William Gibson's Neuromancer."

Daryl, that is an great, all-time classic, but has been read by S&L before - in fact it was the first S&L book! Travel back in time to S&L Episode 1.


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Tassie Dave | 4076 comments Mod
Jlawrence wrote: "Daryl wrote: "Although perhaps many have read this (still in my To-read!) but still worth discussing - William Gibson's Neuromancer."

Daryl, that is an great, all-time classic, but has been read before - in fact it was the first S&L book! Travel back in time to S&L Episode 1. ."


It was the 4th S&L book. It was the 1st after the podcast started.

The first book was The Golden Compass.

http://swordandlaser.com/home/2007/10...


message 33: by Rik (last edited Mar 25, 2013 08:51PM) (new)

Rik | 777 comments Wool Omnibus for many reasons:

1. Its a huge hit
2. Its a great example of the new publishing dynamic in that it started out as an indie book, got popular, and then got published in dead tree format. While Hugh Howey is not the first self published author to hit it big he may well be the first sci fi one to do so.
3. Its now available in hard dead tree, soft dead tree, and original e-book flavorings.
4. Its just a great book.
5. It breaks a standard rule in storytelling to great effect. This is minorly spoilerish for the beginning so . . (view spoiler)
6. Your jaw will be on the floor after the events of the first part which is fairly short because you don't expect what happens to happen. This sort of relates back to point #5.


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Sabrina's | 7 comments http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/85... this also a self published book. It sings to the gamer, and takes them to a future they can envision and then takes them further.


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Jlawrence | 964 comments Mod
Tassie Dave wrote: "Jlawrence wrote: "Daryl, that is an great, all-time classic, but has been read before - in fact it was the first S&L book..."

It was the 4th S&L book. It was the 1st after the podcast started.

The first book was The Golden Compass.


Oops, I had forgotten that! Even though I was part of the S&L meet-up to watch the pretty but disappointing movie adaptation of Golden Compass. Off to Bolvangar with me!


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Casey wrote: "The Left Hand of Darkness would also be a really good choice."

I agree.


message 37: by Daryl (last edited Mar 26, 2013 12:40AM) (new)

Daryl | 101 comments Jlawrence wrote: "Daryl wrote: "Although perhaps many have read this (still in my To-read!) but still worth discussing - William Gibson's Neuromancer."

Daryl, that is an great, all-time classic, but has been read b..."


Doh, was going off of the S&L Read bookshelf. Will be fun listening to the first S&L podcast!


message 38: by Matthew Anderson (last edited Mar 26, 2013 12:46AM) (new)

Matthew Anderson | 60 comments Daryl wrote: "Although perhaps many have read this (still in my To-read!) but still worth discussing - William Gibson's Neuromancer."

Read Burning Chrome first. I did, and it made it that much more awesome.


Jenny (Reading Envy) (readingenvy) | 2898 comments Dharmakirti wrote: "Alif the Unseen was one of my favorite books of 2012 and I would love to read it again. For me, the presence of djinn puts the book pretty firmly in the Sword category.

A few sci-fi books I would love the book club to read are:
The Dervish House
The Quantum Thief
A Fire Upon the Deep
The Madness Season
Embassytown "


I loved The Dervish House, The Quantum Thief, and Alif the Unseen (which was also just longlisted for the Womens Prize for Fiction!). But I've read all these, so I'd vote for something like Wool.


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AndrewP (andrewca) | 2668 comments Derek wrote: "... you can never go wrong with dystopian sci-fi..."

Neal Stephenson would disagree with that statement as discussed last year.
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/8...


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Dazerla | 271 comments I'd go for either Left Hand of Darkness or Handmaid's Tale.


message 42: by Buzz (last edited Apr 10, 2013 10:30PM) (new)

Buzz Park (buzzpark) | 394 comments C'mon. Great North Road by Peter F. Hamilton.

Here's why:
1. Great interview on S&L this month.
2. It's a on-off so we don't have to read any other books for context or conclusion
3. We haven't read a Peter F Hamilton book yet
4. To quote one of the other members "It's Peter Effing Hamilton"! :-)


message 43: by Dharmakirti (last edited Mar 27, 2013 08:40AM) (new)

Dharmakirti | 942 comments Buzz wrote: "C'mon. Great North Road by Peter F Hamilton.
Here's why:
1. Great interview on S&L this month.
2. It's a on-off so we don't have to read any other books for context or conclusion
3. We haven't r..."


I would be down for reading something by Mr. Hamilton. I've had his Night's Dawn trilogy on my radar for quite a while and wouldn't mind the group tackling The Reality Dysfunction. I'm also open to reading Great North Road.


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Liudvikas (liudvikast) | 20 comments Geoff wrote: "House of Suns by Alastair Reynolds"

I second this, it's my all time favorite sci-fi story.

Also if I might add, Redshirts by John Scalzi seems interesting and it's second on the voters list.


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Kurt Rocourt (krocourt) | 53 comments A Talent for War by Jack McDevitt
or
Gun Machine by Warren Ellis


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Casey | 654 comments Liudvikas wrote: "Also if I might add, Redshirts by John Scalzi seems interesting and it's second on the voters list."

That's a great book and an awesome audiobook but the group has already read Scalzi.


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David(LA,CA) (davidscharf) | 327 comments Something without politics? I'm starting to get tired of books where all the characters are in a giant "one-upmanship/ who's the biggest d-bag" contest.


message 48: by Rick (new)

Rick Gun Machine is a great book. I like McDevitt though i started with Polaris which I still think is one of his best in that series.


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Dharmakirti | 942 comments I didn't realize Warren Ellis had a new book out. I very much enjoyed Crooked Little Vein. I look forward to reading his newest.


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Kevin Xu (kxu65) | 1081 comments How about his Peter F. Hamilton's first book, Mindstar Rising or The Dreaming Void, which I never hear people discuss or read.


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