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A Fire Upon the Deep

(Zones of Thought #1)

4.13  ·  Rating details ·  53,829 ratings  ·  2,505 reviews
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A Fire upon the Deep is the big, breakout book that fulfills the promise of Vinge's career to date: a gripping tale of galactic war told on a cosmic scale.

Thousands of years hence, many races inhabit a universe where a mind's potential is determined by its location in space, from superintelligent entities in the Transcend, to the
Mass Market Paperback, 613 pages
Published August 31st 2010 by Tor Science Fiction (first published April 1992)
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Sanjai Tripathi That bothered me for a sec too, until I remembered it was briefly mentioned that Steel had learned of Johanna's use of the term and liked it, so he st…moreThat bothered me for a sec too, until I remembered it was briefly mentioned that Steel had learned of Johanna's use of the term and liked it, so he started calling his race that.(less)
Steven This one is fine. The prequel isn't really tied to this one by more than a single character, one that is quite different (for reasons explained in the…moreThis one is fine. The prequel isn't really tied to this one by more than a single character, one that is quite different (for reasons explained in the first book) between the two books. Nothing that happens there affects this story. It's more of a companion piece.(less)

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Jan 11, 2011 rated it really liked it
Recommends it for: Brian Halberg
Recommended to Joel by: Jo Walton
Shelves: 2011, sci-fi-fantasy
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Mario the lone bookwolf
Mar 07, 2018 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: vinge-vernor
Entering the Zones of Thought, some of the best worldbuilding physics metaphysics fusion, alternative universe functioning explanation space opera escalation.

After reading the 2 books of this series, please keep thinking and theorizing about the possible implications of what it would mean if the mechanisms of this universe would be true in a parallel universe or in one of the endless others:
This is some of the most unconventional and potentially manifold
David Hughes
Apr 04, 2008 rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: anyone who's ever thought they could possibly stomach science fiction
Shelves: fiction, scifi
I want to make it clear that I don't lightly write rave reviews. Please read the following sentence twice:

This is an absolutely fantastic book.

On the outskirts of the Galaxy, far from the physical constraints of the Galactic core, faster-than-light travel is possible, and Transcended intelligences flourish to a complexity that dwarfs human comprehension. Scavenging for buried knowledge on a dead world, a party of humans awakes an ancient evil: an archive containing an entity so powerful and so m
Jamie Collins
This is an impressive work of hard science fiction. I admire the author's creation and the writing is decent if not riveting.

I enjoyed the story of the Tines, aliens with pack minds, and I came to like the concept of the "zones of thought", where different levels of technology are possible in different areas of the galaxy.

But I found myself indifferent to the rest of the characters. The enemy they called the Blight seemed ominous only in the prologue - for the rest of the book it was kept at suc
Jun 07, 2011 rated it it was amazing
A Fire Upon The Deep is Vernor Vinge’s magnum opus, a classic of the genre, one of the greats and deservedly most popular sci-fi novels ever. Google “The Best Sci-Fi Books of All Time” and you will find this book included in many of these lists, sharing shelf space with Dune, Ender’s Game and the likes. I suppose if you are looking for a quick “yay or nay” recommendation you will already have your answer by this point. You may as well avoid exposure to my long-windedness and get started on the ...more
Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽
Epic science fiction at its best, this space opera novel shared the 1993 Hugo Award with Doomsday Book. This is incredibly imaginative, with a great, complex story and detailed, believable world-building, and some of the best alien species ever imagined. It's a long, sprawling story and the technological parts are rather dated, but I still loved it.

A group of scientists investigating a five billion year old data archive accidentally unleashes the Blight, a malignant superintelligence that rapidl
Daniel Roy
May 03, 2011 rated it did not like it
Shelves: sf
I tried very hard to like A Fire Upon the Deep. The reviews for it are stellar, and it did won a Hugo. Also, I am a huge fan of SF, so I felt this book would be a sure-fire hit with me. Not so.

As other reviewers pointed out, this book has some great ideas. Pack sentience is very nice, and the idea of zones is intriguing. Unfortunately, all these are wrapped in very shoddy writing. To tell the truth, the writing was barely above fan sci-fi in some places.

The characterization is also, most unfortu
mark monday
Aug 28, 2013 rated it really liked it
Shelves: scifi-modern
children on the run. alien dogs that think as a group. power in numbers! powerful book. good dogs. although some bad dogs too. I guess fanatical is a bad personality trait, even for dogs.

different flavors: adventure, medieval fantasy, comedy, hard science fiction, even horror. big ideas.

thoughtful, exciting, highly original. fantastic book.
Dec 21, 2010 rated it it was amazing
Maybe I'll come off as bi-polar when I start this five star review (my first of 2011) with an extensive list of why the book I'm applauding is utter garbage. But what the hell, I'm game if you are. Let's do it.

Why "A Fire Upon the Deep" is Utter Garbage
1. Mr. Vinge's characters are only so-so, and the humans are the worst of the lot. Every once in a blue moon a character will shine, which makes it so hard to bear their poor treatment at other critical points. Vernor struggles, as most sci-fi aut
Jan 12, 2010 rated it really liked it
Shelves: sci-fi
Sooo, I know this is a seminal classic of the Space Opera genre, so the fact I didn't LOVE it as much as everyone said I would makes me feel a bit inadequate in a way, but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinions, eh?

I mean, from an intellectual standpoint, this is brilliant. The world-building is so convincing, I actually was frequently disturbed by it, which is kinda why I can't love it, which is actually a testament to it's brilliance. It's thought provoking and unbelievably well shaped.
I love it when I give a book 5-stars!

I knew practically nothing about this book when I started - except that I hadn't liked the only other Vernor Vinge book I'd read (Rainbow's End). This is about a gazillion times better!

So here's the low down:

This is a far future yarn, with three great 'big ideas'.

1) Space is not uniform. I'm probably going to explain this poorly (my wife looked somewhat unconvinced when I tried to explain it to her), but here goes: there are zones of thought. Somewhere in the
A Fire Upon the Deep: Fascinating aliens but clunky plot and characters
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A Fire Upon the Deep was the big breakout novel from Vernor Vinge, winner of the 1993 Hugo Award and nominated for the Nebula. It features a unique premise I haven’t encountered before: the universe has been separated into four separate Zones of Thought: the Unthinking Depths, Slow Zone, Beyond, and Transcend. Starting from the galactic core, the Zones demarcate differing levels of techn
Jan 23, 2021 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: sci-fi
I'm against the flow again, all my friends here who read it liked it a lot or were amazed by it. Me? I think it was OK, but nothing more. I should have read this a long time ago, maybe I would have liked it then. But reading it now, after all the works of Al Reynolds, PFH, Watts, and many others, it felt outdated; I don't think it aged well, and it's not even that old.

Anyway, my opinion is that it's much too long for what it has to say; too many details, monologues and even dialogues for my tas
Nick Borrelli
Nov 14, 2018 rated it it was amazing
One of my favorite Hard SF novels of all-time. It's brilliant and you should definitely read it. ...more
I got incredibly, and unusually, bogged down in this (admittedly lengthy) book, and only a little bit because I struggled with aspects of it. It’s also been a terrifically busy time.

At any rate, this 1990’s Hugo-winning novel (an award shared with Doomsday Book, which I LOVED) is fairly famous and highly regarded, so I have a feeling that my middling reaction to it is something of an outlier, but there it is. I found it to be alternately rambling, dense, imaginative, compelling, obtuse, and fru
Executive Summary: This book started out pretty strong for me, but lost steam as I went on. I liked it, but not as much as I hoped.

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My reading of this book was pretty uneven. I read about 25% on a plane, then several days with no reading. Then I read another 25% on a plane and several more days with no reading. After that it was a chapter or two here or there stretching the whole thing out over 2+ weeks. It's not a short book, but it was obvious to me as I went on that I was losing
Mar 26, 2012 rated it it was ok
Shelves: sci-fi, overrated
I had high hopes for Vernor Vinge's A Fire Upon the Deep because I love sci-fi set in space but, while it might make a decent fantasy novel, it is a poor excuse for science fiction.

The novel takes place in Vinge's "Zones of Thought" universe in which the galaxy is separated into discrete zones, each of which is identified by its relative location to the galactic core and its ability to support advanced technology and faster-than-light travel. I initially found The Zones a silly and unnecessary c
Dec 28, 2008 rated it liked it
This is the galaxy in the unimaginably distant future, populated with millions of species. The shape of civilizations is dictated by the shape of the galaxy: close in at the core is the “slowness,” the place where only sublight travel is possible. Farther out is the “beyond,” where FTL drives function and cross-system communication passes on great data pipelines, and very advanced technology can begin to be truly sentient. And above that is the “transcend,” where automation goes beyond sentience ...more
Peter Tillman
Vinge's high-water mark to date and his masterwork, I think. Splendid deep-space adventure. On my (ever-changing) 10-best-SF-ever list.

Here's Jo Walton's fine retro-review, from 2009:

"Any one of the ideas in A Fire Upon the Deep would have kept an ordinary writer going for years. For me it’s the book that does everything right, the example of what science fiction does when it works."

I'm (mildly) surprised at the number of so-so reviews here. Which just go
Jan 17, 2009 rated it it was ok
I seem to be one of the few geeks who was dramatically underwhelmed by this book. I guess that this is classic "hard SF", in the sense of being all ideas and not so much on the characterization. And maybe I've just passed the time in my life when that really excites me. But overall, it just didn't grab me.

The notion of the zones of thought was interesting, albeit a real stretch to me. The tines were a kind-of interesting construction, though mass minds have been done before. And, for whatever re
This is sooo close to being a 5-star book for me. So, so close.

A lot of TV series follow the basic "A Plot and B Plot" style of storytelling. Good TV shows manage to connect them thematically and then tie them together into one story by the end. Vinge does this here.

On the macro scale we have the Blight, an ancient, malevolent virus that takes over everyone in its path, human and alien alike. On the smaller scale we have two kids stranded on an alien planet along with a bunch of their friends in
Dec 26, 2008 rated it liked it
Recommended to Brad by: SciFi & Fantasy Book Club Jan 2009 Space Opera
Shelves: to-read-again, sci-fi
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Sep 30, 2007 rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: any science-fiction fan
The first third of this book is some of the best science-fiction I have ever read: good writing, fast pace, some breathtaking action, excellent balance between narrative and explanation, and some really, REALLY cool ideas thoroughly thought-out and implemented. Several times my brain practically crackled and I said, "wow" out loud when certain ideas Vinge had been hinting at "clicked" and became clear. Vinge is also pretty skilled at keeping the vast hard-sci-fi-space-opera scope of the book fas ...more
Oct 22, 2014 rated it really liked it
4.5 stars. This was such an incredibly fascinating book and I wish I could have read it all straight through. It has one of the single coolest alien species I've ever seen and the story is really great. Part of the story is a race through space, including a space battle, and part of the story actually takes place on this planet. There are two groups of aliens, falling generally into "good guys" and "bad guys". The world is a medieval setting and it's interesting to see how each of the groups ben ...more
Nov 01, 2011 rated it really liked it
Shelves: science-fiction
Vernor Vinge has become one of my favorite science fiction authors with this amazing novel. Filled with big, huge ideas and amazing technology. Plus the aliens are awesome. The alien Tines were so original and amazingly described that I was in heaven reading about them. I loved this from beginning to end. Make sure you read this slowly or you might miss a handful of neat ideas.
Aug 22, 2007 rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: sci-fi lovers
Shelves: sci-fi
This is one of the weirdest books I've ever read. It was amazingly creative and clever, and is easily one of the best sci-fi books I've ever laid hands on. The only problem is that it is written in such an extreme third-person viewpoint that people not experienced with sci-fi material will have trouble understanding what is going on; as such, I can only recommend it to experienced sci-fi readers. ...more
We made it, preciousss, we finished this book after three weeks!

O real life, why do you have to intervene while I am trying to finish this fantastic novel. The prologue was one of the strangest prologues ever, yet it is very intriguing. Lucky Tor released this for free a while ago for their ebookclub.

I won't say much about the Zones of Thoughts (see below) because I am still digesting the concept. Let me tell you though, it is literally and figuratively mindblowing and thoughtprovoking.

zones of thoughts

The al
It seemed to me that this novel was an attempt by the author to have his cake and eat it too. In the world of science fiction and fantasy, an author generally chooses either a hard sci-fi technological setting or a medieval setting. A Fire Upon the Deep had both, and suffered a bit for it, at least for me, as I found the pacing uneven.

I really enjoyed the universe that Vinge created here—regions of space where things moved faster or slower, where artificial intelligence could be raised to the s
Jul 16, 2013 rated it liked it
Shelves: science-fiction
This is a hard science fiction story about a boy and his sister who are marooned on a distant planet in the far future. Their parents are killed by the inhabitants of the planet, and they and their space ship are taken hostage by two warring factions. They do not realize it, but their space ship holds the key to destroying an alien race that is destroying the civilizations of the galaxy.

The most interesting aspect of the story is the remarkable race that inhabits the planet--intelligent beings t
4.5 to 5.0 stars. One of the most imaginative SF novels I have read in some time. Absolutely mind-bending. Highly recommended!!

Winner: Hugo Award for Best Science Fiction Novel
Nominee: Nebula Award for Best Science Fiction Novel
Nominee: John W. Campbell Memorial Award for Best Science Fiction Novel
Nominee: Locus Award for Best Science Fiction Novel
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Vernor Steffen Vinge is a retired San Diego State University Professor of Mathematics, computer scientist, and science fiction author. He is best known for his Hugo Award-winning novels A Fire Upon The Deep (1992), A Deepness in the Sky (1999) and Rainbows End (2006), his Hugo Award-winning novellas Fast Times at Fairmont High (2002) and The Cookie Monster (2004), as well as for hi ...more

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