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Why Morpheus is Better than Jeb
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Jul 18, 2014 09:28PM
Guys, please, stop discussing other books in this thread. Lets try to keep to the topic and Splintered series. Make up another thread for random stuff, if you want.
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Natalia wrote: "Guys, please, stop discussing other books in this thread. Lets try to keep to the topic and Splintered series. Make up another thread for random stuff, if you want."Yeah, sorry about that.
Okay. Let's head up back to why Morpheus is better than Jeb. I think this thread is totally dying!!!
No, I still have a lot to say. Like nicknames.While Jeb calls Alyssa Al and skater girl, Morpheus calls her little luv, blossom or plum. His nicknames for Alyssa are not just cooler, but also sexier.
LOL, I know it is a superficial reason, but it adds points to Morpheus all the same.
Natalia wrote: "No, I still have a lot to say. Like nicknames.While Jeb calls Alyssa Al and skater girl, Morpheus calls her little luv, blossom or plum. His nicknames for Alyssa are not just cooler, but also sex..."
That's a valid point actually!
Also, because I'm currently reading "Unhinged". Jeb's idea of a romantic date is pretty strange. A date in a drain pipe full of bugs. And then he leaves Alyssa to pick up the things he left. I compare this to cooking her dinner and then making her wash the dishes and clean the house!
@ Gergana: LOL. So true. The idea of a date: With Morpheus, it is the wonders of Wonderland. With Jeb, it is drain pipes.
Gergana wrote: "Also, because I'm currently reading "Unhinged". Jeb's idea of a romantic date is pretty strange. A date in a drain pipe full of bugs. And then he leaves Alyssa to pick up the things he left. I comp..."I thought of that too!
Natalia wrote: "No, I still have a lot to say. Like nicknames.While Jeb calls Alyssa Al and skater girl, Morpheus calls her little luv, blossom or plum. His nicknames for Alyssa are not just cooler, but also sex..."
Skater girl for me sounds like something a relative would've said. Or a best friend. Not a boyfriend. Also Jeb's knoledge of the romantic is pretty low, I'm sure! As for Morpheus, he must be an expert, as he dated Ivory. Bedding a royalty is a talent! It requiers skills!!! ♡ :D
Also I love it when Jeb is trying to offend Morpheus with the nicknames he's giving him - the local cockroach, gentleroach, moth-ra, moth crazy, son of a bug ... and Alyssa is all: Don't call him that. I don't like it! :D
Ok, the next thing I'm gonna say might sound a bit strange. I have the feeling that Jeb has been talking with Alyssa about sex a bit too much. Like presuring her. Alyssa doesn't say anything, but when she sees the blanket and the strawberries on their "date", her first thought is "So, this is it". Maybe I'm just imagining things, because I finished "V is for virgin" yesterday.
Gergana wrote: "Ok, the next thing I'm gonna say might sound a bit strange. I have the feeling that Jeb has been talking with Alyssa about sex a bit too much. Like presuring her. Alyssa doesn't say anything, but w..."I know!!! You`re not imagining things:
Proof:
1. Jeb and Alyssa are meeting after school to go on their "date".
Jeb: You don`t know how much I want to touch you! (Is this supposed to make me feel ok or something???????)
2. On the "date"
As you mentioned - this is it. Alyssa is all what are we doing and Jeb:
Don`t talk, just let me do what I want to do (he didn`t say that, but he was rather insisting)
3. Jeb sees Alyssa in her garden, while Morheus is looking at his car.
"I want to touch you so much it hurts"
4. All of their talking about prom is how Jeb can`t wait the prom to end, so they can have so privacy!
CAN I BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY: EWWWW!
Great! Also, when they were in the "sanctuary" he talked how he got to tickle her after the played chess when they were younger and how he was looking for an excuse to touch her. Ummm, imagine little Jeb and Alyssa, then imagine what must have been going through Jeb's mind. DOUBLE EWWW!
Yeah, that part also freaked me out. Because how old were they back then in the 6th-7th grade?
12 or 13 years old, if my Maths is right!
Just to quote Alyssa's mom:“Guys don’t drag girls into storm drains for anything respectable.”
I feel like Jeb's love for Alyssa is shallower, more on the surface, but I feel that Morpheus's is deeper, from the soul.
Ok I agree with what ur saying but I think the tickle thing was so adorable. Io don't know if Morpheus loves her more they are both childhood friends but I guessnyou tell Morpheus' love is very strong beacause he loved her through the period were they weren't together so ummmm...like 10 or something year (I just guessed I don't know if I'm right)
Wow my writing sucked...correction:... I guess you can tell Morpheus....
Another thing! Am I the only one who sees that Morpheus never stops flirting with Alyssa even when some crazy stuff is happening around! How does Jeb flirt with Alyssa exactly? In the first book they weren't going to kiss at all if she hadn't brought up the topic!
Another thing! Am I the only one who sees that Morpheus never stops flirting with Alyssa even when some crazy stuff is happening around! How does Jeb flirt with Alyssa exactly? In the first book they weren't going to kiss at all if she hadn't brought up the topic!
Nessy wrote: "Another thing! Am I the only one who sees that Morpheus never stops flirting with Alyssa even when some crazy stuff is happening around! How does Jeb flirt with Alyssa exactly? In the first book th..."Well, as you mentioned earlier, he says he wants to touch her all the time and there is the occasional friendly teasing. I'm not defending him or anything! I love Morpheus and his flirting and all those names he calls her!
Well... if someones tells me he wants to touch me all the time I wouldn't consider it romantic or adorable at all! In fact it sounds very perverted to me. Like Alyssa is a train that needs attention as long as Jeb gets on board. Then he'll find another girl...Call me crazy, but after what Morpheus said about Alyssa, being the lady of his life, Jeb can buy a diamomd ring and still don't catch my attention!
Nessy wrote: "Call me crazy, but after what Morpheus said about Alyssa, being the lady of his life, Jeb can buy a diamomd ring and still don't catch my attention! "True. Alyssa needs to get her shit together and dump Jeb officially ASAP. She is seriously missing out on great ... experiences.
Said like a true Morpheus/Alyssa fan, @Natalia! :D
Natalia wrote: "Nessy wrote: "Call me crazy, but after what Morpheus said about Alyssa, being the lady of his life, Jeb can buy a diamomd ring and still don't catch my attention! "True. Alyssa needs to get her s..."
Yeah. He has the best grand bedroom after all. With A WATER BED!!!
Nessy wrote: "He has the best grand bedroom after all. With A WATER BED!!! "Yes, that curtain of falling water *dreamy sigh* I loved the idea of it in Splintered so much.
But what about the Red castle? If Alyssa is going to be queen, she will have to reside in her own castle. But I'm sure there are plenty of bedrooms there too ;)
Someone needs to mention the fact that Alyssa and Jeb have a 'mutual understanding' kind of relationship, where it apparently isn't in the least bit necessary to state your love for someone ever.Whereas Morpheus has enough guts to confess to Alyssa after she says she hates him.
TRUE LOVE <3
Dahanci wrote: "Whereas Morpheus has enough guts to confess to Alyssa after she says she hates him.TRUE LOVE <3
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More than this. *SPOILERS* Morpheus almost gave up his life, three times, knowing full well that Alyssa doesn't love him. He gave his rival a chance to live and be with Alyssa by risking his own life and facing Sister Two. And he almost gave himself up to Red, if not for *you know what*.
But whenever he could, he was smart about his sacrifices, always leaving himself an escape plan, a fighting chance. Like he is smart about everything. I swear, I agree with every word that comes out of his mouth.
Natalia wrote: "Dahanci wrote: "Whereas Morpheus has enough guts to confess to Alyssa after she says she hates him.TRUE LOVE <3
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More than this. *SPOILERS* Morpheus almost gave up his life, three times, know..."
THIS.
*applauds*
Ah, Natalia. You never fail to fight for him.
:)
@ Dahanci: Always *tips her nonexistent hat*But seriously. It is not easy to sacrifice yourself for someone who loves you, and it is twice as difficult to do it for someone who you think hates you.
Natalia wrote: "@ Dahanci: Always *tips her nonexistent hat*But seriously. It is not easy to sacrifice yourself for someone who loves you, and it is twice as difficult to do it for someone who you think hates you."
That's one of the reasons I didn't understand why my friend hate(d/s) him.
Yes, he did use her, as many Jeb fans point out, but he used her to stay alive and was ultimately willing to give his life for her anyway.
Meanwhile, nobody has any problems with Jeb using Taelor as a distraction.
Dahanci wrote: "Natalia wrote: "@ Dahanci: Always *tips her nonexistent hat*
But seriously. It is not easy to sacrifice yourself for someone who loves you, and it is twice as difficult to do it for someone who yo..."
I am so glad I'm the only one who has a problem with Jeb and Taelor because if he really liked Alyssa he would have waited for her like she did for him.
But seriously. It is not easy to sacrifice yourself for someone who loves you, and it is twice as difficult to do it for someone who yo..."
I am so glad I'm the only one who has a problem with Jeb and Taelor because if he really liked Alyssa he would have waited for her like she did for him.
Yeah! I also freaked out when I read that Jeb lost his virginity with a totally ramdom girl! It is acceptable if it was Taelor, but just ugh!
I was half okay with the random girl. I have complete understanding that guys tend to think with their pants, but if someone claims to love you, they shouldn't dump you at prom. That was kind of it.This happened in real life, though, and my friend Alyssa was completely fine. A couple weeks ago, she told me "Jeb and Taelor were never together (referring to the IRL people)." I was like O e
And she said "To me, they were never a couple. It just didn't happen." Then she stared me dead in the eyes.
So it's like events are repeating themselves with my own Alyssa. Except we don't have a Morph. There's just me in a wig coming to her house on Valentine's Day XD
Okay, that's a little strange. I think Jeb was trying to get over a lot. And in Splintered, the impression I got was that he liked Alyssa, but either didn't want to or did't think he should. Using Taelor to get over it was just not cool though.
For me they value themselves like a family, nkt lovers. All their kissing seems forced for me...
I'm all for the family relationships here *poker face*
Gergana wrote: "Also, because I'm currently reading "Unhinged". Jeb's idea of a romantic date is pretty strange. A date in a drain pipe full of bugs. And then he leaves Alyssa to pick up the things he left. I comp..."Well, it's not just a drainage pipe to them. Alyssa explained in the book beforehand why that place was special to both of them.
Gergana wrote: "Ok, the next thing I'm gonna say might sound a bit strange. I have the feeling that Jeb has been talking with Alyssa about sex a bit too much. Like presuring her. Alyssa doesn't say anything, but w..."*sigh* I know. I'm a person who waits until marriage and I respected Alyssa for wanting to wait longer until she felt ready, but I wasn't surprised by Jeb's lack of hesitance, because I'm used to be surrounded by people that don't have the same standards I or Alyssa do. It did bug me though.
Natalia wrote: "Nessy wrote: "He has the best grand bedroom after all. With A WATER BED!!! "Yes, that curtain of falling water *dreamy sigh* I loved the idea of it in Splintered so much.
But what about the Red ..."
I did like Morpheus' place, just as I liked all of Wonderland.
Dahanci wrote: "Someone needs to mention the fact that Alyssa and Jeb have a 'mutual understanding' kind of relationship, where it apparently isn't in the least bit necessary to state your love for someone ever...."
Well, I will give Morpheus credit for that. I couldn't even say that back to my boyfriend when we were dating, even though I loved him. I was always stuck. And if it takes guts to say it back, it takes even more to be the first one to say it, and with what Alyssa had just said...wow.
Dahanci wrote: "Natalia wrote: "@ Dahanci: Always *tips her nonexistent hat*But seriously. It is not easy to sacrifice yourself for someone who loves you, and it is twice as difficult to do it for someone who yo..."
My friend Kitana did point out that Jeb used Taelor, and I didn't like that. On the other hand, though, Morpheus also used the White Queen.
Dahanci wrote: "I was half okay with the random girl. I have complete understanding that guys tend to think with their pants, but if someone claims to love you, they shouldn't dump you at prom. That was kind of it..."O.O I'd like see the events unfolding at your place, if they're so similar. (not trying to be creepy, btw)
Katie wrote: "Dahanci wrote: "I was half okay with the random girl. I have complete understanding that guys tend to think with their pants, but if someone claims to love you, they shouldn't dump you at prom. Tha..."It was creepy. I felt like I was watching those three on some kind of emotional roller coaster. Except I don't know my Jeb and Taelor. They were just people at school that I was kind of half-friends with. Maybe I'm Jenara.
OH MY GOD FANFICTION IN THE MAKING.
I now feel the need to write Jenara finding Alyssa in the closet in tears. I totally want to (if I find time).
Also, Jeb used Taelor as a way to get around Alyssa and his desire for her, hurting her in the process. Morpheus was pretty much trying to keep himself alive and planning everything out. It was necessary to his survival.
But yeah, now I feel like writing that fanfiction. Except I don't believe Jen knew about the whole Alyssa <3's Jeb thing until after prom. Did she?
Dahanci wrote: "Except I don't believe Jen knew about the whole Alyssa <3's Jeb thing until after prom. Did she? "I think she did know. I remember her saying in Splintered how Alyssa should finally tell Jeb about her feelings before he went to London.
By the way, guys, do you think Jeb could still end up with Taelor, eventually, if/when he returns back from Wonderland? Because I refuse to believe he will stay there forever. Over time, he could find his happiness in the real world and become a famous artist, painting pictures about Wonderland's bizarre landscapes and creatures, and fairies with wings.
Natalia wrote: "Dahanci wrote: "Except I don't believe Jen knew about the whole Alyssa I think she did know. I remember her saying in Splintered how Alyssa should finally tell Jeb about her feelings before he we..."
I like Morpheus better, but Jeb deserves someone better than Taelor:)
I think Jeb will understand that Alyssa's craziness needs to be freed by someone as crazy as her (Morpheus) and will find his half in the human world.
Nessy wrote: "I think Jeb will understand that Alyssa's craziness needs to be freed by someone as crazy as her (Morpheus) and will find his half in the human world."I hope so too, but at the same time... One look at the cover of Ensnared, and I start obsessing all over again. Despite my gut feeling and the gazillion hints in both books that Jeb wouldn't and couldn't be endgame, I'm scared to the point that I can't think straight.
A.G., you wouldn't make Alyssa choose to go back to the human realm with Jeb, so she could graduate with her class and live a plain "normal" life, right? Not after she becomes Queen Alyssa and has that glorious future in front of her. Let at least one heroine stay Queen, stay powerful and have a life that people in real life can't. Let fantasy win over reality, just this once.
I read somewhere that you said you might revisit the characters of this series one day. Let it not be because Alyssa chose Jeb and poor Morpheus had to wait another 60 years for his happily ever after. He is hands down the best character of this series and he deserves so much more than just to be shoved aside.
Alyssa and Morpheus together in Wonderland is the only ending that feels authentic.
Natalia wrote: "A.G., you wouldn't make Alyssa choose to go back to the human realm with Jeb, so she could graduate with her class and live a plain "normal" life, right? Not after she becomes Queen Alyssa and has that glorious future in front of her."Of course you know I'm not going to answer any questions about the ending. ;) *coughs*
In fact, I won't even let myself read the "who do you think Alyssa chooses" threads. I haven't even opened them. There are over a hundred entries and I just won't go there. @.@
But I will tell you this: I actually had to fight for the ending I wrote. My editor asked me change it but I just couldn't. That should show you how much I believe the ending I chose to be honest and authentic, that I would risk upsetting the apple cart like that. Every character shines in the end in their own way, and becomes who they were meant to be.
That's all I can say for now. ;)
