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Celaena & Dorian ~ Pairing Discussion
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Aug 11, 2015 03:38PM
I shall go down with the Celorian ship...
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Grace Meredith wrote: "Dorian is really adorable and I love him. But in Throne of Glass, their romance feels so forced! I just don't think the chemistry between them is right. He tried for something that I don't think he..."I agree, I love him as a character so much! But I think they are going to be just friends
Kisses A wrote: "I shall go down with the Celorian ship..."Yes! <3
Hailey wrote: "Grace Meredith wrote: "Dorian is really adorable and I love him. But in Throne of Glass, their romance feels so forced! I just don't think the chemistry between them is right. He tried for somethin..."I agree, they would make such wonderful friends! Especially since Celaena really bonds with him in CoM, and he's always there for her. It's really sweet that he'll always kinda have a little crush on her, but I really think she's put him behind her.
Yea and in Heir of Fire Dorian says he "thought" he loved her before and in Crown of Midnight he said he let her go. So he is saying that they are really just friends now.
You never know, this series is so ur editable anything can happen. I would love for Aelin and Dorian to end up together, but I would equally love it if they were just great friends.
Read the first part of this review, I need some support : https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...If Aelin chooses (Because according to SJM, we will get some hints in QOS about who Aelin wants to end up with) Rowan, I will be so upset ! They share something far better than romance. Anyone agrees with me ?
EDIT : Holly shit. (view spoiler)
Though I do ship that pairing I do agree with you a bit. But it's kinda a problem? Aelin and Rowan has such a powerful bond that no one can get in between that. Her future husband or queen/partner must be really really open and accepting, because only Rowan can truly understand her-down to her fears and desires and hopes. However if you do feel like this is wrong, feel free to disagree!
Sandra wrote: "Though I do ship that pairing I do agree with you a bit. But it's kinda a problem? Aelin and Rowan has such a powerful bond that no one can get in between that. Her future husband or queen/partner ..."I agree with you Sandra I feel like her future partner might have an issue with how close they are. Aelin would probably go to Rowan with a lot of her problems because of how well they understand and trust eachother.
Yeah :oHowever if Aelin does end up with someone else, as long as Rowan and her see each other everyday then I'm fine with anything tbh.
Exactly. As long as they stay together even if they are just friends I will will be happy
I apologize if I'm wrong but aren't celaena and rowan related???
Hardly. He tells her that when she says " we are related, you know"
Ok thanks, there like cousins a million times removed, right
Celeana and Rowan are great as really close friends.
Yeah and if something ruins this bond( like with Chaol) then I would not be pleased
Yeah and if something ruins this bond( like with Chaol) then I would not be pleased
I hope Rowan and Aelin will just be really close friends! I think they're good as best friends with the bond they share :)
deleted user wrote: "I Found This,Quite Interesting Tidbit from a Interview xDHave you already decided who Celaena will end up with? Did it change while you were writing the books or have you always known who it woul..."
Okay so am I the only one who thinks Maas' whole "outlining doesn't work for me as a writer" philosophy is a pretty shitty writing strategy?! This alarms me. I mean it doesn't exactly instill confidence... Just "letting it flow" can result in crappy character and plot evolutions!
Witness book 1 and 2 where the whole Dorian/Chaol/Celaena triangle developed--but it was so sloppily done! It was so freaking obvious that the author had originally planned for Dorian to be Celaena's main love interest and then BAM at some point someone changed their mind and did some major rewriting cause Celaena's suddenly all about Chaol (seems to come out of nowhere) to the point where she basically just dumps and ditches Dorian for no real reason! The author had spend so much time developing Celaena's relationship with Dorian that her totally abrupt breakup with Dorian made her seem extremely cold and at the time, it was out of character (or I thought so).
Anyways, Maas might be all about Rowan now, but I think Rowan is pretty much Tamlin from the Court of Thorns and Roses so maybe Mass has got it all out of her system with that book? Cause while I absolutely LOVE the idea of Celaena being with Rowan it's not going to happen people. He's immortal for one thing and for another, Maas was way too careful at keeping their relationship from turning romantic or sexual in any way. I mean I hate to say it, but Celaena is still all about the Chaol. Which sucks cause I can't stand Chaol (I'm sorry but his whole Lancelot act just irritates me).
I was team Dorian too but I've lost all hope on that front. I would rather Celaena ends up with her cousin Aidian than Chaol (good god ANYONE is better than Chaol). Yeah, I know it's not gonna happen but even the idea of incest is more appealing to me than Chaol at this point!
On another note, which of the leftovers do you think will be paired with Manon? I think she's awesome. Wouldn't mind seeing her with Rowan or even Aidian (though he's not immortal) but I don't think Dorian could handle her.
Argybargy, I agree with you in the fact that Celaena shouldn't end up Rowan. However I think once magic returns she will be immortal as well as she is part Fae, so it isn't for that reason, I think they're just good as friends and plus he's so much older than her so I feel it's just not right. I don't hate Chaol at all and do not mind if Celaena ends up with him, but of course I prefer Dorian by a mile. In saying that though I don't think their breakup was sloppily done in ToG, there many hints saying that Celaena was worried about it through the book and yes it was sad and heart breaking but it wasn't completely unexpected and it is kinda understandable with Celaena at that time. I hold on to the hope that now that Celaena has changed to Aelin that maybe she will eventually go back to Dorian, suddenly realising she had loved him all along. The task to free him from he collar will hopefully add to this development, and I sure hope it comes true. I stick to the initial inspirations of the entire series, it was initially inspired by Cinderella and in the original version Celaena ends up with prince Dorian. Anything can happen yet in this series with two books to go, so let's just see what happens.
Lexie wrote: "Argybargy, I agree with you in the fact that Celaena shouldn't end up Rowan. However I think once magic returns she will be immortal as well as she is part Fae, so it isn't for that reason, I think..."I would like to see them end up together too! I feel like it's only fitting considering their countries need to be brought together after all that's happened) but I have no hope. Someone on this thread quoted the author in an interview where she advised her readers to consider her original story not as an original story but as a different story entirely and not to look to it for clues as to who Celaena will end up with.
As for her being immortal I don't think she's fae enough for that (isn't she like 1/8?) unless maybe she decides to stop being human entirely? Rowan claimed at one point that Celaena had no chance with his friends bc they wouldn't see her as worth the trouble to court considering her comparatively short lifespan, so I don't think it has anything to do with the lack of magic in her land. I was thinking though, that maybe her whole magic bond with Rowan might possibly make her as immortal as him bc he made references to having to hunt down old pairings like that where people were still enslaved or whatever. You could be right too though as this author obviously likes to keep her options open.
Yeah, I guess I'm not sure if Celaena is immortal or not. It's sad that Sarah says the original story is completely different to what it has now become, I for one can't see how she so easily let go of all of that. Man I want to read Queen of Shadows so badly! As for what's going to happen with this series, who can predict SJM. I bet no matter how many theories everyone puts up, the ending of the very last book will still find a way to shock us all.
Ah, girls, I can't wait to discuss QOS with you ! There are one big theory in my head about DORIAN, I never never thought about it but there are some hints in the book and I don't know what to think of it. You are right. The immortality thing is a huge problem. We don't know anything. Do you think an immortal can become mortal ? Like he "abandons" his immortality ?
Maeve's sisters Mab and I can't remember the name of the other one did that remember? So yes I think you can. But Rowan is already so much older than Aelin, for them to be in a romantic relationship just wouldn't be right.
Argybargy, I know where you're coming from, but I think it's not being sloppy at all. To me, it was very obvious that Dorian and Celaena were really over in ToG and by the end of the book you can see that the thing with Chaol was going to happen. It was the slow burn, and at the end it did so I didn't think it came out out of nowhere (again, my opinion).I don't think the age difference between Rowan and Aelin is a big factor, Lexie. I mean, they are not human, they are creatures, and they work differently so human rules are really not their thing. Though I understand why it may be a problem for many people.
I think we all know the immortality thing is very important right now, and Sarah has said we will find out if Aelin is immortal or not at some point in later books! I strongly think she is though. I think in HoF was mention immortality can be taken away from a Fae, since Maeve took the immortality from her sisters when they decided to get with humans.
I don't know. I read some many books with immortal guys who fell in love with young girls : Edward and Bella, Tamlin with Feyre, Damon and Elena, so much that it doesn'y bother me anymore
Yeah I suppose. I'm not a full on hardcore shipper, I won't be devastated if Aelin ends up with Rowan, I'd just rather other end games. But I will never give up on this series, it's too amazing. (Unless Dorian dies, but I will most likely still read on, after crying for a thousand years that is :)
Ale wrote: "Argybargy, I know where you're coming from, but I think it's not being sloppy at all. To me, it was very obvious that Dorian and Celaena were really over in ToG and by the end of the book you can s..."Honestly, I don't want her to be immortal.
Lexie wrote: "Yeah I suppose. I'm not a full on hardcore shipper, I won't be devastated if Aelin ends up with Rowan, I'd just rather other end games. But I will never give up on this series, it's too amazing. (U..."Haha, same here ;) We just want Dorian to be happy, right ?
I feel so bad for Dorian. Even though he's the Crown Prince he had a hard life. But he said it in HoF and what he said really broke my heart: "He was a boy in love with a wildfire. Or at least he thought he was".Wow. That really hit hard, especially since I ship them so so much. But when he met Sorshca things just went bam! He was staring to become a mature man, he actually LOVED Sorshca ( I am starting to get the feeling him being with Celaena was just a cry out for help or something and there was nothing... There, like no chemistry). Then you know what happened to her...
Doriana is still my ship though. Even if there is a slim chance of them being something. When he admitted he wasn't really in love with her in HoF I think thats when I began to lose hope. He still cares about her. But not in the way we all want him to :(
Lexie wrote: "Yeah I suppose. I'm not a full on hardcore shipper, I won't be devastated if Aelin ends up with Rowan, I'd just rather other end games. But I will never give up on this series, it's too amazing. (Unless Dorian dies, but I will most likely still read on, after crying for a thousand years that is :)"It's okay Lexie! You can ship whoever you want so it's fine. Ah,yeah, I think if any of the main characters die I'm going to hide in a cave and keep reading in a river full of my tears.
Mirou wrote: "Honestly, I don't want her to be immortal."
That's fine too, but I still think she will. Maybe she'll kill Maeve and take her immortality? Who knows? lol
Haha, yes Mirou all we want is for Dorian to survive, live and be happy. I agree wholeheartedly Bookworm I love how Dorian's character has developed so much. Though I still ship Aelin and Dorian I loved Sorscha and love the new man Dorian is, (when he gets out of the collar of course) and he just makes this series for me. He's been my favourite since Throne of Glass. Ale, I do kinda want Aelin to be immortal I think it will suit her, and yes I agree there will definitely be a confrontation between her and Maeve.
About Aelin's immortality, I always thought that since she's fae, she is immortal, but because she passes so much time in her animal form (human) she grows and will probably die someday... I guess if she start to live permanently in her fae form she won't die, but I don't think she will do that.And I don't remember who said that, but I don't think she's partly fae, she just have an unusual animal form.
Aelin herself said she is not half-fae lol
Ale wrote: "Argybargy, I know where you're coming from, but I think it's not being sloppy at all. To me, it was very obvious that Dorian and Celaena were really over in ToG and by the end of the book you can s..."I thought maybe it was a "slow burn" type situation too but to me it really seems like the author changed her mind. It seemed like both Dorian and the author were totally over the idea of him and Aelin as a couple in HoF---:(
I mean the way Dorian instantly fell so deeply in love with Sorcha (ugh gag me I did not like this!) doesn't exactly bode well for more romance between him and Aelin. For one thing, his ship with Sorcha only seemed to reinforce the idea that Dorian is prone to falling in "love" with whoever happens to be his girl of the moment and that his relationship with Aelin was just dallying.
Which sucks bc I really DO think the author did a great job developing both Dorian and his relationship with Aelin early in the 1st bk---only to abruptly change her mind. I felt cheated by this. I feel like if Maas waits any longer to redevelop their romantic relationship I'm not sure I'd be able to find it satisfying even if Aelin does end up with him (like if Aelin just abruptly decides that Dorian is her man in the last book I will be pissed!). They had such a good thing going in the first book but then POOF! It was like it never happened after she dumped him!
As for Aelin being immortal I don't think the author has decided what she wants yet (that's what happens when you don't outline). Maas never been clear on whether Aelin's fae form is her "animal" form or whether her human form is her "animal" form (or that's what it seemed like to me).
On another note I want to see Chaol hook up with Manon. She's probably the only one capable of prying that gigantic stick out of his ass.
Argybargy wrote: "Ale wrote: "Argybargy, I know where you're coming from, but I think it's not being sloppy at all. To me, it was very obvious that Dorian and Celaena were really over in ToG and by the end of the bo..."Ah, well, Sarah obviously changed her mind about Dorian haha. I think it's because she felt like it wasn't the best for Aelin. It's okay to still want them together though. She has said she hates outlining because then she has to stick to certain plan and for her that's not right.
About Aelin's forms... her animal form is her human form. Her fae form is just slightly different with pointed ears, fangs and a few inches taller.
Chaol and Manon? lol that could be one interesting pairing hahaha.
Ale wrote: "Argybargy wrote: "Ale wrote: "Argybargy, I know where you're coming from, but I think it's not being sloppy at all. To me, it was very obvious that Dorian and Celaena were really over in ToG and by..."Damn right it's okay! Lol, I think they'd be perfect together but Sorcha kinda ruined Dorian for me. Like when Dorian decides that maybe he just "thought" he was in love with Aelin I was like wtf where did this come from? You WERE in love with her! But whatever, Maas can let it flow if she wants.
Anyways, are you sure Aelin's human form is her animal form? I honestly couldn't tell from the way it's written, but I hope you're right. I thought Aelin's animal form was supposed to be her human-form at the end of CoS (or the very beginning of Hof- i can't remember) but then it seemed like the author started being deliberately unclear about it in HoF. Like after Aelin starts working in the kitchen with all the other demi-fae and then she finally gets used to her fae-form it seemed as if Aelin's animal form was actually supposed to be her fae-form from the way they all reference it (including her and Rowan), so I was confused about that.
Maybe Chaol found out that he is intrested in someone else, who knows ? ;) And about Manon, there are some hints about her and an unexpected person in QOS [I was like "WTF?" while I was reading] and well, I didn't see THAT coming !
Two days left girls !
Mirou wrote: "Maybe Chaol found out that he is intrested in someone else, who knows ? ;) And about Manon, there are some hints about her and an unexpected person in QOS [I was like "WTF?" while I was reading] ..."
I'm so jealous you've already read it! Or maybe not cause then I'd already be done.
Can I just ask is it Nesryn? I'm thinking of shipping her and Chaol. God I hope Chaol isn't too much of a you know what in QoS like everyone is saying.
Argybargy wrote: "Ale wrote: "Argybargy wrote: "Ale wrote: "Argybargy, I know where you're coming from, but I think it's not being sloppy at all. To me, it was very obvious that Dorian and Celaena were really over i..."I don't think Dorian was that in love with her. I've always thought he left her go a bit too easily. I do hope that if Dorian gets another love interest in the series they spend some time as friends first. No flirting, a real companion.
It was explicitly stated in HoF that her human form is her animal form. I get why it seems a little weird. In her Fae form there are mentions of scents and mates and a lot of other animalistic tendencies.
Yeah Aelin's animal form is a human. I guess it can be a little confusing as it is stated in the book that it is quite unusual. I of course, will never give up on the Aelin and Dorian ship but another person I ship Dorian with is Yrene, or maybe Elide? I'll see when I read about her.
Lexie wrote: "Yeah Aelin's animal form is a human. I guess it can be a little confusing as it is stated in the book that it is quite unusual. I of course, will never give up on the Aelin and Dorian ship but ano..."
Elide ? I don't know, maybe ?
Surprise surprise in QOS !
Besides, you have to read until the last pages to know what I'm talking about (This crazy theorie about Manon)
Ugh, I DO NOT want Dorian and Manon to end up together.
Mirou wrote: "Lexie wrote: "Yeah Aelin's animal form is a human. I guess it can be a little confusing as it is stated in the book that it is quite unusual. I of course, will never give up on the Aelin and Doria..."
Mirou, you're driving me crazy with these hints! I can't wait all the way to tomorrow!!
I still have to wait until the 4th until I actually read the book! And now I'm worried it's not even certain I will get it! :(
Lexie wrote: "I still have to wait until the 4th until I actually read the book! And now I'm worried it's not even certain I will get it! :("Ugh, I know, my book store is really crappy when it comes to just released books. I am suffering from togw (Throne of Glass withdrawal), and I need to read it now. Maybe I'll read the Assassin's Blade first because knowing my bookstore they won't have QoS for DAYS.
Liz wrote: "Argybargy wrote: "Ale wrote: "Argybargy wrote: "Ale wrote: "Argybargy, I know where you're coming from, but I think it's not being sloppy at all. To me, it was very obvious that Dorian and Celaena ..."Haha you're totally right! I just did a reread and OMG my impression this time is way different! So weird how that happens (wtf was i thinking?). Still think it was sloppy though (like you can tell it was rewritten a billion times) but that's normal for a 1st book. I think she's gotten a lot better as a writer since the first book.
You guys don't have kindles or iPads? I remember when I used to go to bookstores to buy real books! Those were the days... I always used to ask for books before they came out just in case they had them early-- which they often did but it was embarrassing cause I'd come in like WAY too often and then they'd have to check their inventory (like manually in a back room). Lol I'd always pray they didn't remember me (which I'm sure they did because I wore shitloads of eyeliner and had like bright green hair). It was even worse when i started reading Kresley Cole cause when her books first came out OMG her covers were absolutely mortifying! Those covers were like THE reason I finally got a kindle....
Anyways, can't you order the book at B&N and have it delivered to the store within at least 2 days? Borders does that too, I think. That's what I used to do (on top of making them check their inventory).
@Argybargy hahahah the same thing happened to me with the Rowaelin ship. I didn't really see it after my first read of HoF, but when I reread it I had alot of Ooooohhh moments. And yes! Sarah has improved so much in her writing.I get ebooks 99% of the time, it's so hard to find physical copies in english in my country.
