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Celaena & Dorian ~ Pairing Discussion

Lysandra and Chaol? Well, that would be an interesting pairing, but I was thinking Elide (or perhaps Nesryn) will be the new girl for him. Also, don't you think Lysandra and Aelin will patch things up and move past the bad blood? They might not become friends, but allies, sure.
Uh, I'm not feeling that. I'd prefer him with someone stronger than the Sorscha/Yrene type.

As for Yrene, she went to that healer school, right? She has magic and will possibly become really badass. Also, there is that line chaol said in HoF about Adarlan needing a healer as queen that could be a clue.
I wish you were right about Rowaena, but Sarah really loves this ship. She's not even hiding it anymore.



yes! that's exactly what I think might happen and I'm excited to find out omg

Yeah, I agreed too. As much as I loved Rowan, but from this..
"an unbreakable bond, deeper than marriage, that lasted beyond death"
Was it not mean that Rowan still bind with his mate/wife even though she already died?
I also suspect.. Is the Eye of Elena the thing that can make us see the King of Adarland's true name?

I just hope Chaol doesn't end up sad and lonely because of it. I mean, honestly, he deserves a..."
Em, I already understand you about Rowan + Celaena thing. It has high posibility that they will end up together indeed! Just saw this from SJM twitter and a lot more

I just hope Chaol doesn't end up sad and lonely because of it. I mean, honestly, he..."
Oh no. Have a little faith girls !
I agree with @Bhavika, Rowan is always going to be her loyal knight, like Aedion by the way.
I'm sure that we will have to wait to see Dorian and Aelin together but, it will happen slowly. They still have 3 books to understand their feelings.
Aside the romantic stuffs, We will going to see Dorian evolving : That what's make him the perfect match for Aelin. They are both growing, taking responsabilities, and facing their destiny. HoF was all about Celeana becoming Aelin, maybe the fourth book will be about Dorian, how he will struggle against the collar and his demons ? Like Chaol said, when Celaena will come back From her journay, she will be another person, the same will happen to Dorian and I can't wait to find it. I know that there will be certainly others suitors for Aelin in the next books but I belive that Mass is going to stay loyal to her initial end game.

While people think Celaena will end game with either Chaol or Dorian ( bc they apeared since the first book ) SJM perhaps pick Rowan for the twist sake, who know...
But yeah I don't want to see Dorian get broken heart anymore, it will be too cruel if he doesn't get HEA or get hurt again and again.

I see Celaena's whole guys situation like a Juliette/Warner/Adam (from Shatter Me) situation. As I see it, Celaena ended her relationship with Dorian (aka Warner) because he came with a lot of responsibility that she wasn't ready to take because she was running from her life as Aelin and her powers and her heritage. Chaol (aka Adam) was only a way to forget all of that. She was planning to leave with him, to ignore her fate and to not take any responsibility.
But, when Dorian and Chaol discovered about her powers, while Chaol was kind of afraid of her (and not only her fae thing, but also her killing people) and didn't like that part of her, Dorian was completely supporting her and wanted to rule the world with her. Plus, they both understand each other so well and they're the same and Celaena is perfectly okay with his magic.
But, by finally becoming Aelin, I think Celaena will come back and be "ready" for Dorian (who I'm sure still loves her despite what he said and his stupid thing with damned stupid Sorscha).
And there's so many hints about that in the books (even if our beloved Sarah says she doesn't know with who Celaena will be in the end)! Like the fact that Dorian and Celaena met before ToG (when they were kids and when they almost dance together), that Celaena could hurt Chaol, that she removed Chaol's ring, that Dorian says so much stuff about him and Cel together...
And as for Rowan, there's thousand of hints about them being only friends and it makes perfect sense for Aelin to have this kind of relationship with perfect trust (like Nehemia) and without romantic problems. And people shipping Aelin and Aedion are just weird... Guys, they're COUSINS.
(And for a theory, (view spoiler) )
Well... that was pretty long...

He'll be king and she'll be queen the right heir would be restored
I Found This,Quite Interesting Tidbit from a Interview xD
Have you already decided who Celaena will end up with? Did it change while you were writing the books or have you always known who it would be?
Let me start by saying that I am and have always been 100% Team Celaena. I’ve taken that approach while writing these books, and have trusted her to show me who she wants to be with, and when she wants to be with them.
I’m a firm believer in letting the story go where it needs to (instead of forcing it to cling to previous ideas), and find that my subconscious/Muse is usually right when it comes to taking things in a totally different direction than I’d originally planned. It’s part of what makes writing fun and exciting—especially when Celaena still remains a bit unpredictable even to me.
So, that means that yes, some big plans have changed. They change with every book I write, every round of revision—always for the best, always making the story so much stronger than it was before.
Also: I see this question all the time, so I just want to say once and for all: consider the Fictionpress draft another book entirely. So, so, SO little of what happens in that draft is even in this series any more, especially the ending. I made it clear when I took the story off the site in 2008 that I’d be rewriting/changing the majority of material (and with good reason, since so much of it was just me figuring out how to write a book!). So, if you are curious about who Celaena ends up with, I would not consider the FP draft a resource.
Anyway. Yes: I finally have an ending in mind—an ending that I love and have been working toward for the past few books, but how Celaena/Aelin gets there—and who she gets there with—have always been flexible.
Outlining doesn’t work for me as a writer, and I find that my creativity flows much more when I’m able to write the story as it demands to be told. So right now, a certain ending is calling to me, and I am obsessed with it and working toward it with every book—but who knows? Some major plot points will always be resolved/revealed, and those are things I have plotted for since the novellas, but the ending-ending? I’ll only find that out once I write Books 5 and 6, when I’ll learn where Celaena/Aelin takes me. Hopefully she won’t throw any curveballs (since I kinda/sorta/definitely love my current planned last line for the series) :)
Have you already decided who Celaena will end up with? Did it change while you were writing the books or have you always known who it would be?
Let me start by saying that I am and have always been 100% Team Celaena. I’ve taken that approach while writing these books, and have trusted her to show me who she wants to be with, and when she wants to be with them.
I’m a firm believer in letting the story go where it needs to (instead of forcing it to cling to previous ideas), and find that my subconscious/Muse is usually right when it comes to taking things in a totally different direction than I’d originally planned. It’s part of what makes writing fun and exciting—especially when Celaena still remains a bit unpredictable even to me.
So, that means that yes, some big plans have changed. They change with every book I write, every round of revision—always for the best, always making the story so much stronger than it was before.
Also: I see this question all the time, so I just want to say once and for all: consider the Fictionpress draft another book entirely. So, so, SO little of what happens in that draft is even in this series any more, especially the ending. I made it clear when I took the story off the site in 2008 that I’d be rewriting/changing the majority of material (and with good reason, since so much of it was just me figuring out how to write a book!). So, if you are curious about who Celaena ends up with, I would not consider the FP draft a resource.
Anyway. Yes: I finally have an ending in mind—an ending that I love and have been working toward for the past few books, but how Celaena/Aelin gets there—and who she gets there with—have always been flexible.
Outlining doesn’t work for me as a writer, and I find that my creativity flows much more when I’m able to write the story as it demands to be told. So right now, a certain ending is calling to me, and I am obsessed with it and working toward it with every book—but who knows? Some major plot points will always be resolved/revealed, and those are things I have plotted for since the novellas, but the ending-ending? I’ll only find that out once I write Books 5 and 6, when I’ll learn where Celaena/Aelin takes me. Hopefully she won’t throw any curveballs (since I kinda/sorta/definitely love my current planned last line for the series) :)


I see Celaena's whole guys situation lik..."
Ok...this has made me see the situation in a whole new way omg :O :O :O


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Dorian:
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Celaena and Dorian are related I think. Look at Dorian's relatives.
One of his relatives is Elena Galathynius
(Spoiler Alert) Celaena's real name is Aelin Ashryver Galathynius
Am I on to something or not?

I see Celaena's whole guys situation lik..."
Couldn't agree more @Anna ! And I love your theory ! But I don't think we will see them together in the next book maybe later after they defeated the king, you know ? Like Aragorn, in LOTR, in the last scene when Erwen comes to him, it would be lovely

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Dorian:
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Celaena and Dorian are related I think. Look at Dorian's relatives.
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Yes, Dorian and Celaena might be a bit related (I'm a little confused with the whole three fae sisters thing (I need to reread the books)), but it's really far far away in the time (Elena was the daughter of Brannon, the first king in Terrasen), so it doesn't matter. But I think that little link has something to do with Elena preparing them for something and the thing Cain said about the players (or something like that) being reunited... I'm so excited for the next books :D
And @Mirou, yes I don't think Dorian will be freed before at least the end of the next book, so nothing can happen until that. And after defeating the king would be cute if they're like best bud until then <3

- Aedion ( shares Ashryver's blood ) and in HoF, it states that their blood are far enough to get married! Man, I just saw this quote "But Aedion was an Ashryver, not a Galathynius--which meant that his great-grandmother had been Mab, one of the three Fae-Queens, in recent generation crowned a goddess and renamed Deanna, Lady of the Hunt." What does this mean? But Aedion is not fae, right?
- Rowan ( related by Queen Maeve family ) An ToG expert on Tumblr explained this relation clearly, but I can't remember every words sorry! Perhaps, Aelin is related to Mab, Rowan is related to Mora? Mab and Mora are sisters of Maeve. But Aelin is not immortal, right?
- Dorian ( related by Queen Elena ) but their blood are REALLY Far ( SJM said in CoM disccussion that in previous centuries, there are inner-marriages between Havilliard and Galathenius ) I don't think they will be close bro/sis. That's will be holy twist!
As some of here used to read her discussion with ToG fans after CoM, she said "I Do know who she is going to wind up with" right? BUT after HoF ( specifically, after Novellas ) The ending that stay in her mind all along does not work! She even cried. I don't know what happend in the novella but it's reason that make she know that the original ending does not work anymore. So yeah the big plan about ending has changed!
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After I finished CoM, I even think Chaol is canon 99.99% BUT after finished HoF BOOM! contradicted CC's theory in CoM ( the end of CoM ). I still think I gonna meet twists again. lol!
Suppose, just suppose.. the new ending SJM picks Rowan for Aelin, she has to state many things that can contradict HoF theories.
- Fae will never hurt their mate physically but when Rowan trains Aelin, he bit her and their trainging is even quite abusive relationship.
- The Fae bond is unbreakable and lasted beyond death so he still bound with Lylia? SJM has to make clear that Fae can have more than one mate in the next book. Right now, the fae thing is not clear! so it will be like fae can have lovers and mates like Aelin? ( Many lovers and soulmates! OKayyyy )
- The most important! Right now, Rowan is just like Aedion ( interm of title and status ) Instead they both will be her Left and Right knights ( which is so cool! ), Rowan becomes her king and Aedion just love her unrequitedly! Ahhh... that's hurt! SO the love square between Chaol/Aelin/Rowan/Aedion then begin. *sigh*
In the original version both Chaol and Dorain get HEA and their own girl so If SJM gonna pick Rowan for Aelin in the new version, she should give HEA to Chaol and Dorain, too.

- First, I don't think Aedion is fae, maybe he has some Fae blood but not enough to make him do magic. He said that he didn't have magic in HOF. However, there are some theories about him having a kind of magic, maybe shifting to a wolf form or something like that since he is called Wolf of the North.
- I remember someone said that the immortality depends on the fae's chosen mate. So, it depends.
- About Dorian and Aelin, their "family-relations" are so far back that no one will care so there is no problem if they married and get a lot of babies, haha
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Intresting about what Maas said. I didn't read the novelas but from what I understood, it's about Aelin's stories back when she was with Arobynn. Maybe something happened ?
On Amazon, there is an intresting sentence : Readers will be held rapt as Celaena's story builds to an agonising crescendo, packed with heart-pounding action and swoon-worthy romance.
Do you think there will another guy ? Maybe Lorcan ? There are several images of him on pinterest. I don't know if I have to picture him as Evil or good ... Any ideas ?
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Yep, I agree with your points.
Rowan is meant to be her loyal knight like Chaol to Dorian.

- First, I don't think Aedion is fae, maybe he has some Fae blood but not enough to make him do magic. He said that he didn't have magic in HOF. However, there are some theories about h..."
From what's in the books about when Celaena and Aedion were young, Aedion definitely doesn't seem to be a fae. Plus, it's said in the books (if I remember correctly) that the fae gene can skip generations (like Aelin, her parents aren't fae, but her great-grandmother Mab is).
About the novelas, you should read them, you can understand all the stuff around Sam's death, Celaena's capture, Arobynn and some other characters who will probably be in the next books, but nothing about a potential guy. (There's even a baby scene with Dorian and Chaol <3)
I think that the romance in the next book might be about some guy with a random girl, not Celaena. I think she will have a break with her love life and be more in a "Aelin save the world" phase.
And maybe Lorcan (who is in Rowan's Cadre) will act with Rowan if we read in his pov (which we probably will, Sarah loves Rowan). But from what we know about him, he doesn't seem friendly enough to help Rowan and go to Erilea.
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EDIT: In the synopsis of Heir of Fire, "swoon-worthy romance" was also there (I don't know who write those, but they lack of originality) and all the romance was about Dorian and Sorscha...

Yeah, that's Lorcan get my attention, too. At first, I think "Is this dude a villian?" But after know that he is in Rowan's Cadre. Awwww.. man, he kinda dark and hot. lol
Don't know about swoon-worthy romance much. Um... How many POV will be in Queen of Shadows? Elide POV, Rowan POV, Chaol and Ren POV, Dorian and Aedion POV, Celaena POV.... What about Lycanda and Manon? Are they will be in Book 4 too?

What I am sure about is that Lyssandra will be in book 4, I don't know for Elide. Yep you are right, there are a lot of POVs ...
@Anna, yep, your theory about the swoon-worthy romance may be right. But I believe we will get some clues about Aelin's mate, after all, it's the fourth book, don't you agree ?

I don't know for that Elide girl, but Nesryn Faliq is way more pictured on Sarah's pinterest. I'm sure she will be in the next book. And I don't want to hear about Lysandra again, she was so annoying -.-
And @Pang, I'm sure Manon will be a huge part of QoS, the witches and the wyverns will probably attack on something soon (but something's telling me that Manon will turn friendly at some point). And for the many POV, perhaps there will be less from Dorian (since he has the collar) and some from the "rebels" (Chaol/Ren/Aedion) might be removed since Celaena's coming back to Erilea and will be interacting with them.


Better not happen because it would be the most HUGE twist ever in a book.


God Bless your comment. Coudn't agree more!


I could not agree more with you and I see your Cinderella point because I also came across that while reading about SJM.


I totally agree with you.Celorian is so obvious.


Agreed. Same for Rowan, I can't picture him more than a friend for Aelin and people are all crazy about him. The fact that SJM is soo into him on her pinterest board may be confusing but I don't know.
There is a quote by Steve Maraboli on SJM's pinterest board that remind some much of Dorian and Aelin's relationship. It said :
Life had broken her just as it had broken him.
[YES, he has a collar and his lover was beheaded in front of him. She obviously lived an awful life, became an assassin not by choice after her parents died, ending under the authority of a crazy-psycho assassin cheaf and the death of her first lover Sam.]
But when they got together, their pieces became whole.
And they continued on their journey, together, mended as one"
[The end of the quote is just perfect. Their journey may refer to their struggle to kill the king.]


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I feel like Dorian and Aelin were always meant to be together.
There's been so much character building on both sides; Dorian matured from being a womanising, naive boy under his father's foot, and Aelin has finally accepted her destiny to become queen and free her people.
In ToG, while the two of them were fairytale cute, they weren't ready for each other, but I think they are now. I'm really hoping Aelin is the one to get the collar off Dorian.
They met when they were kids as royals, and then again at that party as strangers, before Dorian came and took her out of Endovier as Celaena. And then Dorian discovers her true identity while she's at Wendelyn. I really want to see their proper reunion as a king and a queen where they're finally eye to eye, no secrets. PLEASE.


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I feel like Dorian and Aelin were always meant to be together.
There's been so m..."
I agree 100%

Ok, I'm late and I just saw that, but seriously? No chemistry? Come on, go read again ToG and try to tell me there's no chemistry between them. In the first book they're all cute and everything's easy, in book 2 they can relate with each other with their magic (and in the future they will be able to relate with EVERYTHING), then when Celaena goes in his room it's like nothing happened, of course he's there for her and of course she can count on him.
With Chaol, ok they can be cute sometimes, but they're always fighting, Celaena wanted to kill him, he did stuff that she will never forgive him for...
It all makes me think of a Stephanie Perkins' quote: "When it's right, it's simple." It just seems to apply so much more to Dorlin than Chaolena (btw I absolutely hate this ship name xD). Anyway, I guess I can't change people's opinion no matter hard I try =')

omg Anna I totally agree with you..Celaena is better of with Dorian than Chaol..Dorian and Celaena for life...

Did you see the lest quote of QOS ?
"There was fire and light, and darkness and ice"
It's obviously an Aelin x Dark Dorian scene.
Do you think it's a battle between them or Aelin trying to save him ?
Can't wait !


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Celaena and Dorian Ended Up Together
Celaena and Dorian Ended Up Together
I just hope Chaol doesn't end up sad and lonely because of it. I mean, honestly, he deserves a lot better than a girl who would choose Rowan (*vomits*) over him. I personally hope he ends up with Lysandra, since she hates Celaena and all lol
As for Dorian, I hope he and Yrene get together.