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Library vs. Purchase?
Angrboda wrote: "Robin, isn't there also something about the author receiving a small fee (smaller than by a sale) depending on how many times his or her books are borrowed from the library? Or is that something I'..."That is something you dreamed or read someplace else. In fact I recently read this same 'dream' on another forum...
... and if wishes were horses, we'd all be spending a fortune on horse feed and vet bills...
No, sorry to burst the bubble, but authors do not get paid every-time someone 'checks out' their book from a library.
There is no DRM equivalent for books.
Angrboda wrote: "Robin, isn't there also something about the author receiving a small fee (smaller than by a sale) depending on how many times his or her books are borrowed from the library? Or is that something I'..."Actually, I think in Europe (perhaps England) that is indeed true. It does not apply though to the United States.
Actually, I think in Europe (perhaps England) that is indeed true. It does not apply though to the United States
I'm in Denmark, so that would totally make sense. I'd look it up if I had a clue what to look for :)
It would only be fair if it was true. We pay for our public libraries (here, at least) through taxes so it would be fair that the authors who provide a service for them received payment in return.
I'm in Denmark, so that would totally make sense. I'd look it up if I had a clue what to look for :)
It would only be fair if it was true. We pay for our public libraries (here, at least) through taxes so it would be fair that the authors who provide a service for them received payment in return.
Robin wrote: "Mohammed wrote: "Heck i even feel bad if i loan a book from the library of an author i really like. Cause its feels wrong getting it for free. ..."Speaking for authors...okay at least my autho..."
I totally understand that. Many authors i loaned from the library on gutfeeling without any word of mouth and they have become favorites i got 10 new paperback/hardcovers of with a month.
Thats what the library is good at. But i have seen people who never buy books cause they are free in the library. Thats why i read usually one library book of an author and next week if i liked i go to my local bookstore.
I know I use the library a lot, but if I really like a book I'll buy it or go to Half price books and get it. I know the authors don't get any $$ from half price books but really that's all I can afford. And if I can't find it there I usually end up buying it. But I hate having books on my shelf that I will never ever read again.
I prefer to buy a book, especially if I am reading books in rotation. That way, I am not influenced by library deadlines. I had that problem recently when I was reading Black Sun Rising by C.S. Friedman (which I borrowed from the library because I misplaced the version I had bought). So I went back to Borders and purchased another copy.
Also if I purchase a book, I can underline stuff and pen book mark where on the page I stopped reading. When I am reading books in rotation, I often put a date next to the bookmark.
There is also a strange pleasure that comes from buying a book, the psychology of which I still don't understand, but when I leave a book store having purchased a book or magazine, I get a high. Safer than a narcotic high. :-)
Also if I purchase a book, I can underline stuff and pen book mark where on the page I stopped reading. When I am reading books in rotation, I often put a date next to the bookmark.
There is also a strange pleasure that comes from buying a book, the psychology of which I still don't understand, but when I leave a book store having purchased a book or magazine, I get a high. Safer than a narcotic high. :-)
I am an amazon guy. they have 4 for 2 deal on most soft cover mass produced 7.99 - 6.99 books and also free shipper for any orders above 20 - 25 dollars. if I play my cards right I can usually come out with almost 12 books for about 50 dollars. but there is still nothing like going to a book store and browsing. but I absolute hate reading used book. unless they were used by me. I guess that makes me a book snob.
I can honestly say I haven't been to a library (besides a university one) in about a decade. I doubt they would even have half the books I am looking for. Heck, even B&N and Borders rarely have the books I want in stock.I'm pretty much addicted to buying books. I usually visit my local B&N about twice a week, each time buying 2-3 books. Right now, I've probably got about 150-200 books sitting on my to-be-read bookshelf (yes, they have their own bookshelf).
I really do like having my own books and having a large collection but I think in the next couple years I am going to try and ween myself off of them. I may go the Kindle route and just work on my electronic collection.
I am another person afflicted with a really crappy local library. That said, I work in the city and have a half-way decent library not *that* far away... but I still prefer to buy my books... To crack open a new book... to have them and display them... to be able to pick up any at random when I'm out of new books to get, and need something good to read... Ah, bliss...
(It's also useful for when you want to lend out a book, instead of making people go to the library themselves. Of course, I rarely lend books - and only to a few trusted souls who I know will care for them... but, still, it's nice to have the option... )
Of course I say this now because I still have some room left on the shelves. Once it comes down to a matter of having to sort out the keepers and the donations... then I might either start borrowing more from the library or looking into the Kindle (if it comes down in price, and gets colored pictures, and comes in more than just white, and can somehow simulate the feeling of holding a real book ;) )
**Oh, I did want to add that I often do take advantage of coupons and discounts and things. If you are a member of the Borders Rewards program, then they send you coupons via email all the time, ranging from 20% off up to 40% (sometimes with limitations like '30% of on a purchase of $10 or more'). I also partake heavily of Amazon's 4-for-3 deals, though this seems to generally only apply to MMPB...
Also, I'm fairly good at not buying tons of to-be-reads... if I'm at the bookstore I'll generally only buy 1 or 2 at a time. Partially because those coupons are often "20% off the price of one book", partially because I can't afford a whole stack at one time, and partially because then I have an excuse to go back to the bookstore in a week or so. *grins*
Matt wrote: "I really do like having my own books and having a large collection but I think in the next couple years I am going to try and ween myself off of them..."Don't do it! I myself have a huge book collection similar to yours, and I love it! What could be better than having an actual physical book in your hand and also having hundreds of them to choose from? The iPod has already taken over music and is starting to take over movies, and the Kindle is basically an iPod for books. Music has always changed formats but books have always been books.
Anyways, I'm just anti-kindle and going off the topic here, so I'll stop, hehe.
I'm bitter toward the Kindle as well. I like to physically have a book in my hand. I don't care too much about music and movies going digital, but I've got to have my books. I'm so bad when it comes to buying books. I have SO many on my shelves that I haven't read yet, and I keep buying more. I work at a bookstore, so that doesn't help. I almost literally feel like I have an addiction to buying books. I'm totally with Maurice on that one. Buying books gives me a natural high.
I LOVE looking at the books covering my walls. I can lay there, look at the spines & visit lots of old friends, BUT I think e-readers will make bound books a thing of the past over the next decade. I might hate it, but I think technology & economics will drive the trend.It's becoming too expensive to produce a paper book. Remember when we had pulp magazines? They were economically feasible (apparently, from an article I read) because one publishing house had production facilities near a lot of railroad junctions. Railroads went down hill, another company bought the publishing company in the mid-60's & then decided they weren't worth keeping, so they closed up shop. No more pulps!
Today we're facing a convergence of technology & similar economic issues. Publishers are struggling now. Publishing costs are going up, but what people are willing to pay for a new book isn't. Books are competing with portable music & movies for people's attention.
The Kindle isn't there yet for me, but I've thought of a couple of readers with form factors that might suit me. When there are enough of them on the market, the publishers will be forced to use them almost exclusively. There will be some bound books, but they will be more for collectors. They'll be priced higher. Just like mass market paperbacks pushed hardbacks into a corner, so will ebooks. Some of us will want & buy them, but the mass market will be in electronic format.
That's my opinion & worth what you paid for it. Please keep in mind, that I told my kids that CD's wouldn't fly because flopticals were so much better.
;-)
Jim, I think you have a point. It worries me, as I have two friends who work in the book industry, and they may need to eventually find new work. I'm also surprised that amazon and other sites are still just basic catalogues. I think that they would benefit from having a few writers/reviewers on the site to recommend books, answer e-mails, make suggestions, etc. My friend who works at a book store is treasured by the book store owners, as he has built up such trust with his customer base, that many buy anything he recommends, no questions asked. Some don't even browse anymore, they just go to Chad and ask for his advice. He hasn't had a complaint yet. It just seems like an un-tapped resource for online sellers.
Laurel wrote: "they just go to Chad and ask for his advice. He hasn't had a complaint yet. It just seems like an un-tapped resource for online sellers"Sounds like Chad needs to migrate here to GoodReads. :) But that's just me being selfish.
Almost all the books I've read for the last year have been recommendations from friends and reviews here at GoodReads. And I've never had a more enjoyable reading experience in over forty years of reading.
I've actually spoken to him about Goodreads quite often. All of my friends know about my "online reading group"... He's teased me that I'm getting my book recommendations from other people, that I'm cheating on him a little bit. But, they all know that I've found an amazing group of friends to share my love of books with. I'm so grateful that you're all out there in cyberspace!
Angrboda wrote: "Robin, isn't there also something about the author receiving a small fee (smaller than by a sale) depending on how many times his or her books are borrowed from the library? Or is that something I'..."Yes, it is true. The checks that result aren't groundbreaking, but it is a most welcome recognition that living authors have to eat.
I use the public library to try out new works, and to browse with intent to experiment. Nothing beats the adventure of picking through the stacks. Or that warm blanket smell, that just accumulates in places where there are so many well-handled books!
My county is fortunate in having three very well attended libraries, and a good loan system.
I always buy, new, for those living authors I enjoy the very most. That, and for reference.
In 10 years, I have yet to be able to get the county library's system to work for me. I did decide to go to the city library in the community next door and pay my $25 to get a non-resident library card once I'm through my unread books. I've been checking their site (very user-friendly) and they seem to have most of the books that I want to read. I used to go there all the time when it was free, but I stopped because I was ticked that they decided to charge for library cards. $25.00/year isn't a lot of money, but I was pretty upset that they cut off their neighbors. That city's library is closer to my house than my local library.
Sandi, I bet that library had to start charging a fee because they had no other way to get desperately needed additional revenue. With the ecomomy in a tailspin and state budgets swimming in red ink, the cities and counties that depend on state money to fund things like local libraries have had to cut out a lot from their budgets. Libraries aren't getting the same levels of funding they used to, so they have to use what money they do get for things like salaries and maintanence. New aquisitions of anything not on the NY Times Bestseller list have seriously declined. I know firsthand because sales of my second book have been hurt badly by this fact. Despite an official endorsement by the Library Journal and good sales of my first book to libraries all over the country, my newest book hasn't sold anywhere near the same numbers to libraries.
I don't check books out from the library because I never know how long it will take me to finish a book since I'm in college right now. I do, however, shop at Hastings when the funds are low and look for a few good used books. They don't take them if they are in too bad of shape, so I get a great deal on books that look new most of the time.
Books I NEED and know I will read again I buy. And sometimes I can't help myself and binge on books-- borders' employees know my face and I'd wish they'd put my name on the wall to make me stop spending so much.But some library books I end up loving but I don't buy them. I just check them out again. Doesn't make a lot of sense but that's me: an enigma.
It all depends on who you are. Buy a book if you'll wake up in the middle of the night to read one part you can't remember by heart. Check out a book if you just want to taste it.
Dov wrote: "I am an amazon guy. they have 4 for 2 deal on most soft cover mass produced 7.99 - 6.99 books and also free shipper for any orders above 20 - 25 dollars. if I play my cards right I can usually come..."
I know I hate the used book look myself. Further, if I am in a book store, I examine copies of the books carefully for tiny imperfections. When I read a book, looking at the cover with relish is part of the experience. It's "book ambience" I guess. :-)
I know I hate the used book look myself. Further, if I am in a book store, I examine copies of the books carefully for tiny imperfections. When I read a book, looking at the cover with relish is part of the experience. It's "book ambience" I guess. :-)
I'm not much of a book buyer. I only purches the stuff that I like a lot. Otherwise, I conduct my book business with the library. I put so much stuff on hold, all the librarians recognize me by this point. There's one in particular who will bring my reserves up to the desk when he sees me coming.
I used to go to the library a lot as a kid but they stopped buying new books and instead began spending all their money on videos and comics...Once I read all the comics, I stopped going.I've returned not to long ago to find they finally have gotten new books...but I've bought them all already. I'm trying to get into the habbit of going again because I've wasted a lot of money on crappy books...
H wrote: "I used to go to the library a lot as a kid but they stopped buying new books and instead began spending all their money on videos and comics...Once I read all the comics, I stopped going."I understand what you are saying. When I lived in Bloomington, IN, the library was huge and had lots of new stuff everytime I went. When I moved to Columbus, OH, the nearest library was very small, and only had a few shelves of non-fiction.
What I found though, is that I can go to the website for the Columbus Metropolitan Library, and from their website I can request books from all of the library branches in the city and have them sent to my local branch for me, where I can pick them up and return them.
Maybe if you are having trouble finding something new at your branch, you can check out their website and see if they can do something similar for you?
In answer to all those posts querying whether authors get paid for the number of times their books are borrowed from a library, please have a look at this website - http://www.plr.uk.com/This is how it works in the UK, it's called the public lending right, it's celebrating it's 30th anniversary this year and in 2008 it distributed £6.6million to 24,000 writers, illustrators and translators.
As I librarian I urge everyone to support your local library, it's such an important free resource available to everyone and a growing number of libraries in the UK are being threatened with closure. So please please use your library, if your particular branch doesn't have what you want you can request items from other libraries in your area (in a lot of areas this is a free service)and through the British Library scheme. Don't give up if you can't find something on the shelf, ask a librarian for help.
Robert wrote: Maybe if you are having trouble finding something new at your branch, you can check out their website and see if they can do something similar for you? We have that but most of the time the book never came in...Or they told me it didn't...
My mom gets every book she reads from the library, well, nearly every one. I don't use the library much at all, I LOVE libraries, but the ones near me usually do not have what I want. I tend to use bookmooch.com or paperbackswap.com as much as possible because it saves us money. (cool book trading sites, the only cost is postage when you mail your books out) I also buy used books anywhere I can and make use of Barnes & Noble and amazon.com when I "need" to. I am currently gnashing my teeth waiting for the new Christopher Moore book to go to paperback or crop up used. ^_^
There is nothing that I treasure more than my books. I love to pass by my shelf and gaze at them all, the titles alphabetized and neatly sorted. The spines undamaged and looking as they did the day I bought them. If I see a bookstore I almost have to go in every time simply because it is a bookstore. I buy over "renting".
The main problem with collecting books is eventually, you're going to move. I used to buy everything I loved in hardcover when I worked PT at a bookstore and could get everything I wanted for 33% off.I generally use the library for reading books I will buy in paperback, but want to read NOW. It's also good for Large Print books, since my near vision is going. Or for classics I always meant to read and never got around to.
I still buy, but more conservatively because there is simply not enough space in my apartment right now. :
I do both. I've got a reasonable local library here. I've lived in places where the library was totally useless so I bought everything I read, but here I try to use the library for new hardback books. Of course, because of budget cuts they have stopped buying new books right now, which is too bad. I had a bunch of books on order. I also, by the way, have lived in places that were decades ahead of their time for things like interlibrary loan and building library systems multiple counties wide.I prefer to buy books that I know I will re-read, or which I know the library doesn't own or would not buy. That includes most of the fiction I want to read because for decades I've lived in places where the library did not buy science fiction, fantasy, mysteries, historical novels and certainly nothing paranormal. And yes, I'm including books that hit the best seller lists in many cases.
So what I do depends on what the local library system is like. I had one library refuse to do interlibrary loan on a $30 trade paperback non-fiction book BECAUSE it was a paperback.
Janny wrote: "Angrboda wrote: "Robin, isn't there also something about the author receiving a small fee (smaller than by a sale) depending on how many times his or her books are borrowed from the library? Or is ..."Janny, I've never seen that in the US. How does that happen with you?
And to the question in general, personally, I understand if people want to check out the book from their local library, if they like that library. Often, it has led to people buying them later on.
Richard wrote: "Janny wrote: "Angrboda wrote: "Robin, isn't there also something about the author receiving a small fee (smaller than by a sale) depending on how many times his or her books are borrowed from the l..."Richard - it doesn't happen in the USA.
The collection is made for libraries in Europe, and I'm not even sure which countries. This would involve books published in London and made available to overseas libraries, and for foreign language translations, available in libraries in participating countries. The accounting is sent to the author through an organization called The Author's Registry, which, presumably, centralizes the collection and accounting and disperses it appropriately.
I don't know how, precisely, how the contributions accrued for checked out titles are compiled.
Janny wrote: "Richard wrote: "Janny wrote: "Angrboda wrote: "Robin, isn't there also something about the author receiving a small fee (smaller than by a sale) depending on how many times his or her books are bor..."If you want to know how it works check out the website http://www.plr.uk.com/
This is the way authors in the UK who register with the Public Lending Right are paid for the number of time their books are borrowed, I already posted this further up the page. :D
Huh. I seem to recall registering long ago. Never saw anything.I'll check those out.
I found that interesting the site you posted Louise, as always wondered how payments were made to Authors whose books were loaned from a library.
From that site:
Public Lending Right (PLR) is the right for authors to receive payment under PLR legislation for the loans of their books by public libraries. To qualify for payment, applicants must apply to register their books with us. Payments are made annually on the basis of loans data collected from a sample of public libraries in the UK.
The two main methods of calculation are as follows: (a) payment on the basis of how often an author’s works are lent out; and (b) payment per copy of an author’s work held in libraries.
I also found these additional links for PLR.
Australian PLR
International PLR
There are no PLR systems in the United States, South America, Asia or Africa.
From that site:
Public Lending Right (PLR) is the right for authors to receive payment under PLR legislation for the loans of their books by public libraries. To qualify for payment, applicants must apply to register their books with us. Payments are made annually on the basis of loans data collected from a sample of public libraries in the UK.
The two main methods of calculation are as follows: (a) payment on the basis of how often an author’s works are lent out; and (b) payment per copy of an author’s work held in libraries.
I also found these additional links for PLR.
Australian PLR
International PLR
There are no PLR systems in the United States, South America, Asia or Africa.
Kate wrote: "I still buy, but more conservatively because there is simply not enough space in my apartment right now."Those are excellent arguments for reading e-books: they take up less space, you can carry more of them around at once, and you can zoom in to enlarge the characters if you need to, and they're cheaper. What they ought to do is make an ebook reader that feels and acts like a book and more people would get into them, I think.
I checked out the Sony E-Reader 550 last week. It was very much like a book. I was pleasantly surprised. I'm going to ask for one for Xmas.
I buy books mostly because I like seeing them on my shelves. :) Having a library is wonderful. The smell of books is unbeatable.
When I was a kid, we *really* used the library. When I was of an age to use the children's section, we started with the A shelf and checked out and read every single book until I grew out of children's books (which was well before we got to Z). I continued to use to the library right up to the point where I started getting an allowance, at which point the local Waldenbooks started getting an allowance from my parents, and I've been buying ever since.Until now. My wife and I have gone down to one income, have our first child on the way, and should have learned our lesson long ago since we've moved every summer for the past four. I've tried really hard to pare down my book collection, but it just goes against every fiber of my being. I *want* to have more books, not fewer. I *want* to have a whole library of my own.
But I'm tired of moving them and I'll have other things that command my finances. So while I haven't completely kicked my book habit, I'm weaning myself off it. I've studiously ignored the coupons Borders sends me each week. I've neglected to get on a first-name basis with the owners of bookstores here where we've moved. I still have an Amazon.com Visa, but two of three isn't bad. I'm limiting myself, at any rate, to only buying the really essential books.
Instead, I'm getting to know the librarians at our local library. It seems to be a pretty decent library, and when they don't have things--and I've got a big list of books I want that they don't have--they'll get them for me. I'm not entirely sure, but I think they're actually *getting* them for me. We live in a vacation town now and I'm pretty sure the library funding for our little town comes largely from the taxes paid by those with multi-million-dollar vacation homes on the lake. Hence, they just buy books when people ask for them.
So in a sense, by not buying books, I'm doing the people of my community a favor by causing the library to buy some really good stuff.
On a side note: I'm a bit cautious about e-books because I don't trust the costs involved. I buy a reader and that's pretty expensive; I buy books and those are finally becoming reasonably priced. But how long is my reader going to last? Is it roughly like my iPod or my laptop, that it will be great for a few years and then become less reliable and then become junk? At which point I need to buy a new one because I've invested so much in my e-library? And, in fact, need to continue doing so for the rest of my life.
And--let's get to the real point against e-books--what happens when the zombie apocalypse is upon us and I can no longer read my e-books for lack of electricity? No, I'll stick with paper and ink, thank you very much.
The way I think about it is that when the library buys a copy of a book, they buy a copy of the book. It is a copy that might or might not have been purchased otherwise. And if the book comes out in hard cover a lot of those hard cover copies were bought by libraries. Those books COUNT against best seller lists. Being on a best seller list means that a lot more paperbacks are going to get sold when the book goes into paper.I am not stealing from the author by reading a library copy. Especially if I was one of the people who asked the library to buy the book in the first place.
Many years ago I was mightily disappointed in a local library in Bedford, UK. Long time ago when I saw some nice "discovery" type of shows in ex-USSR about San-Francisco giant library, I was sooo jealous. Of course, a bit later in Israel I didn't have such a luxury with book in English, but when I moved to the UK, I was absolutely sure I am going to have an access to a very similar library as I saw on TV show many years ago...rubbish. Most of fantasy books I wanted to borrow they didn't have. You can order them from another town, but you have to pay £1. Then what is a point of library? I am paying council tax, thus contributing to the local library. I can buy for £0.35-1-2 a book in a second hand shop, at least it will be mine.
Probably one of the reasons why I decided to move to ebooks. Don't buy printed books anymore, unless it is a special edition of a book I really like.
Starling wrote: "The way I think about it is that when the library buys a copy of a book, they buy a copy of the book. It is a copy that might or might not have been purchased otherwise. And if the book comes out i..."If even half the libraries bought 1 copy of any author's book, that would make a respectable hardback press run. I have NO objection to libraries or readers who use them - it's a fantastic system, and keeps books that fall out of print accessible to readership long afterward. Effectively, an author's readership keeps on growing, between releases, and people who cannot buy books or want to try a title can do so.
Library lending is not robbing anyone, but enriching the culture for everyone.
Marc wrote: "Kate wrote: "I still buy, but more conservatively because there is simply not enough space in my apartment right now."Those are excellent arguments for reading e-books: they take up less space..."
I'm not enamoured with any of the readers I've sampled. What I'd really like to be able to do is test one with a whole book and see if I like the experience.
If they could make them smell like paper that might help too. :)
Janny wrote: "If even half the libraries bought 1 copy of any author's book, that would make a respectable hardback press run. I have NO objection to libraries or readers who use them - it's a fantastic system, and keeps books that fall out of print accessible to readership long afterward. Effectively, an author's readership keeps on growing, between releases, and people who cannot buy books or want to try a title can do so."Right now, I'm reading Survivor by Octavia Butler. Since she never allowed it to be reprinted, I wouldn't have the opportunity to read it without my public library.
I used to get books out of libraries and read them before I would buy them add them to my collection. I now kind of just buy ones by my favorite authors and buy those at full price because I know that I will like it. But other wise, I don't stop the library any more. I just started grabbing different books at yard sales, bargain bins in the back of stores, and of course the highschool book give aways that have in my home town here. And actually I discovered that all these 50 cents and 25 cent books really aren't all that bad. It just kind of shown me that there are a lot of unsung authors out there.
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Just a random thought here...When I was a kid, books held the most magical things for me (they still do actually). To me they were more valuable than gold. They were priceless. My family couldn't afford to buy me books though. So I rarely owned any. This made them even more valuable because I couldn't have them.
As I grew thinking they were magical, priceless artifacts, there is something very satisfying about owning a book. I do read a lot of ebooks and palm books, but that is just because I can't afford to buy all the books I want at the prices the stores charge.
Regardless of this, I strive to actually buy physical copies of as many as I can - especially ones that I know I love.
I love the feel of a book... the smell of a book... the knowledge that it is mine... the way it looks on my shelf...
Libraries do not satisfy my hunger. As a child I saw libraries as places that teased my desire. Once I have a book in my hands, rarely do I want to give it back. I never throw a book away. I never give a book away. I have boxes full of books in a storage unit and I will not stop collecting even if I must rent out more space.
Owning books is the one of the most satisfying things about life. Just my thoughts...
Viktoria, I had the opposite experience with libraries. My family also could not afford books, and probably would not have understood why I wanted to own them although they were all readers.But the library was the one place where I could have anything I wanted and no one could tell me we could not afford it because it was free.
I've lived in places where I had to buy all the books I read because the library was useless, and for a few years, never open when I wasn't working. But I've gone back to my library in my new community because it is there and although it isn't a great library, it is OK enough.
I don't want to buy everything I read. Lately I've been going through more than one book a day. I'm grateful I don't need to try to house all the books I want to read.
I read fast and I have a tendency not to reread books. I use my library here in TX and it's inter-library loan. About twice a year I type up a mix of all the great titles I see on Goodreads that I can't get. It's organized by categories such as: arts, poetry, biographies, fantasy etc. so it can get to the right person making purchases that year. I have gotten to read some pricey books that way, especially art histories that I would never have purchased.
How many people on here are B&N or Borders (or whatever) members? I am a member of both and save a bunch on money because I am constantly buying books.
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Wow I hear a great short story in this. While I do like my library I was PISSED with them when my dog - literarly ate a book I had borrowed from them - so I BOUGHT an EXACT replacement and they wouldn't take it. Instead they charged me the cost of the book - I don't understand why a new replacement was not "acceptable".
-- Robin (32 days until Avempartha)