A Feast for Crows
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What are your thoughts on Sansa Stark?
I think she's going to become a major player in the Game of Thrones.
I have to remind myself that she really is young and acting like a young, spoiled teenager. As she gets to grow up in a very difficult situation her character is growing and she is becoming very interesting. I love her and Littlefinger conversations. Part of me thinks she really is Littlefinger's daughter and Cat would never admit to infidelity.
I didn't care much for her in the beginning as I thought her another typical teenage girl but as the books progressed I slowly became interested with the character. In the show, I do agree that they make her more likable, which doesn't in anyway change how I feel about her in the books.
I think she has gotten what she deserves... She should have never lied for that little twit Jofferies.
Just wait until you get to the other books..but I do like her character, especially more as the series goes on.
Michelle wrote: "I have to remind myself that she really is young and acting like a young, spoiled teenager. As she gets to grow up in a very difficult situation her character is growing and she is becoming very i..."
As interesting as that sounds, Catelyn hadn't seen Petyr in eight years since the birth of sansa and five years with Robb.
As interesting as that sounds, Catelyn hadn't seen Petyr in eight years since the birth of sansa and five years with Robb.
I like her a lot more now that I've seen the show, mostly because when I was reading the book, I tended to forget how very young she was. It really makes all the difference in the world, especially when it comes to her naivete and some of her idiotic decisions early on.
I really detested her in the first book as she doesn't side with her family (though I was upset for her when her direwolf got killed). At first I didn't really care too much for her situation re Joffrey - I felt she kind of deserved it by not being smarter (but as other posters have pointed our she is rather young and tbf her father was rather naive as well). However I have really grown to, perhaps not enjoy, but look forward to mentions of her and I do think she is going to be a major force by the end.
I did not like her at first (in fact I hated her), but as the books went along I really started to enjoy her and wanted to see more of her story. I am excited to see what happens to her in the next book.
I hated her at first, too, but bear with her. George Martin really gives her character a rough road to follow in these books, and she wises up. I've totally changed my mind about her.
She was easily my least favorite POV character in the first book, but she becomes far less annoying as the story progresses. Her chapters are actually pretty interesting now.
Compared to her little sister, Sansa is boring. I really enjoy Arya's story much more than Sansa's. Hopefully, she'll rise to the occasion and be a Stark I can root for.
I remember i hated her in the first book. she was this stupid, coward girl who brought about the end of his father(she didn't mean to, but still..) as the story progressed i disliked her less and less but i've actually never managed to like her. she's nothing like the rest of Starks who are brave, honorable, honost. that's probably why i find it very hard to like her. because i think most of us would act exactly like Sansa to survive in the cruel games of thrones. Most of us, but not Starks. I have high expectations from the Starks and Sansa just doesnt meet them.
Jeni wrote: "Compared to her little sister, Sansa is boring. I really enjoy Arya's story much more than Sansa's. Hopefully, she'll rise to the occasion and be a Stark I can root for."I agree. Though, I think their chapters are meant to be opposite. Sansa's chapters focus on politics and court intrigues, while Arya's chapter are more about the action. I actually kind of like this because it somewhat reflects the different nature of the two characters.
Anyways, I've always found Arya and her story much more enjoyable too.
Sansa Stark is not one of my favorite characters. Though she is young she seems to never learn from her mistakes. She is jaded in that she feels only beautiful people are the ones to rely on even after Joffrey mistreats her so terribly. I have read all the books and Sansa still is naive enough to want to believe in beauty is to be trusted. I have a terrible feeling before this series ends, she will sit on the Iron Throne. LOL
I love Arya though. She is a force to be reckoned with, too.
If we're discussing her character in the book AFFC, I have to say, I couldn't stand her. I had to continually remind myself that she is only 13 years old to explain her self obsessive mentality and to remind myself of all she's been through. Granted, others who've been through similar experiences do not behave as she has, but... well, she's Sansa. She's not very likeable, in the books. I'd say she's the least likeable Stark and it's telling that Martin has killed off her direwolf, although she is still living. The Stark direwolves who remain are Nymeria (Arya's), Summer (Bran's), Shaggydog (Rickon's), and Ghost (Jon's) as of A Dance with Dragon.
I think that she's one of the most intriguing and consistently interesting characters in the novels. Far more than Arya, actually,(whose narrative is largely a straightforward repetitive revenge)
I like to imagine that for Georgie to get in the right mood to write Sansa he has to blast some Justin Bieber or Call Me Maybe, which makes her chapters immensely enjoyable.
Samantha wrote: "I like to imagine that for Georgie to get in the right mood to write Sansa he has to blast some Justin Bieber or Call Me Maybe, which makes her chapters immensely enjoyable."This is awesome!
It feels like she was destined to be a victim. I mean in the beginning I thought she had it coming, all that business with Joffrey because of the way she treated Arya. But then as the plot evolved I started feeling sorry for her and I started hoping that she would catch a break.Though I agree, I have a funny feeling she has a big role in the last two books, I mean it would be cruel if she suffered all that just so that she could die in the end.
Charbel wrote: "It feels like she was destined to be a victim. I mean in the beginning I thought she had it coming, all that business with Joffrey because of the way she treated Arya. But then as the plot evolved ..."Catch a break is right. I keep wondering when the poor girl will catch a break. Haha!
I really disliked her at first, but I'm not sure it was just her young age to blame for all the wrong choices she made. I think it was her selfishness, too. As the books progress, she grows out of that and learns to make wiser choices. She endures some very horrible treatment just like the rest of her family. I think she will be a very important character, as well. It is very hard not to feel sorry for her.
I just really wanna know what the consequence of her losing lady is going to be...it wouldn't seem right if it ends up having no significance whatsoever.
Athinia wrote: "I think she has gotten what she deserves... She should have never lied for that little twit Jofferies."You have to understand the situation she was in. Even her father did. He said "She was dragged in front of the king and queen and asked to call the prince a liar." In our world, we could easily call the president himself a liar to his face. Not so easy in Westeros.
The King knew. I'd wager so did that witch of a queen.
I was reading something yesterday that said Sam was 15 or 16 years old at the beginning of the series. This made me recall how young all of these kids really are. Heck, Jon is the Lord Commander on the Wall and I'm not sure he would be old enough for Selective Service Registration or even to Vote in current society. Sansa, was/is an idiot, I agree. I know I've said some pretty mean things about her while reading her POVs. But, when you look at the mess she and court politics have gotten her into, it is mind-boggling, my goodness, she's only thirteen.
I know kids grew up faster in medieval times than our kids have the luxury of today, but it's amazing if you think about it. I think if you put her "stupid" aside, she really has learned from her experiences. It will be interesting how far she will go under the guidence of Little Finger. As devious as he is, he's a genius when it comes to political intrigue.
Now if she can just survive being under Little Finger's little finger...
I agree that she has "self-corrected" and is learning from her mistakes. Strangely, I feel more sorry for Theon Greyjoy than I do Sansa. Although, I was impressed when she led the kiddo across the natural terror bridge structure (probably not describing it right)...her courage clearly isn't lacking. And I did have a very rare Sansa moment when she thought about Jon and wished she could see him, but then she put the thought away from herself, understandably. If I could see a more selfless side to her, I'd find her more sympathetic. She is clearly clever enough to learn from Little Finger's ingenious, though unethical machinations, but do we need another Cersei? I hope if she's meant to play a larger part, her inner Stark goodness kicks in in full force.
I believe people have judged Sansa harshly, mainly because she is not like her sister Arya. But taking into consideration how she was raised to become a Lady and how young she was in the first book, I started to understand and forgive what she did (yes I blamed her for Ned's demise).After all she went through at King's Landing, especially Joffrey's constant abuse and humiliation I felt Sansa grow and become more realistic. Her dreams of becoming Queen soon became a nightmare. To me that was a harsh reality check for her.
i actually like seeing sansa's character develop and she truly is one of the main characters who in my mind has changed the most, i think her story will continue to be interesting, we have seen her from a young spoilt child but her perfect world collapses around her so quickly so i can't help but wonder what martin will do to her that might make her become a 'player' in the game so to speak as she certainly has that potential; she has lived in court and could easily trick her way into people's confidence etc.
I think that I was most angry with sansa over how she treated tyrion at their wedding.
The only irritating character in the book so far. Also, I do dislike her for playing a pivotal role in Ned Stark's downfall.
Kirby wrote: "I think that I was most angry with sansa over how she treated tyrion at their wedding."I agree, but being so young she was acting like the child she is
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Sansa only had the tools available to her to survive, such as how to behave like a courtly lady. Likewise so did Arya who shunned etiquette for sword play etc. Yes Sansa made a terrible mistake with her betrayal but she can't be expected to be like Arya, who also makes mistakes even if she does appear more gutsy. They both have their strengths which are completely different, they are both still growing too.
Compared to Sansa, Arya's character has been more interesting. I always felt that she was an airhead. But as hopefully with Little finger pulling the string and training her in the Game of Thrones, she improves as a character and i agree with Monica that i would really love to see a more selfless side to her. with only further two books left after A Dance with Dragons hoping to see some logic her staying alive.
Not a big Sansa fan but I have to believe Martin is going somewhere with her...
I can't wait for the next one. Sansa is not a nice person and she will probably get away with everything. I loved them all and want more.
I never particularlly liked Sansa , she's important and I like how martin makes his characters have different characteristics but i found her annoying at first. But, she's learning that everything isn't a fairytale and she's becoming more intellegent but I feel something bigs going to happen with her just i'm not sure how.
People like Sansa never learn. They don't change. I am courious though. Remeber, pretty is as pretty does.
I can take this one at all, everybody seems to think tat she changed but I do not see it, when Little Finger told her that he had a gift for her and put her to guess what it was, did she said something more substantial no she said dresses and jewelry this character that had changed. Age is not an excuse ,not when a lot of the other characters are the same age or younger. She is still a bird ,:)
Honestly, I can't stand Sansa. She is weak, and she better toughen up quick before it kills her or worse.
Sansa and Bran are my two least favorite characters because all they do for a majority of the books is whine about how much their life sucks. Ok, so do something about it. Sansa is 'trapped' at court, but Arya was as well and she managed to escape. Sansa simply doesn't have a backbone and will do anything to keep herself from being hurt, sacrificing her family, and even her friends in the process. She's one of the most selfish characters in the books.Although I dislike her, I do agree with everyone that thinks shes going to be a major player. She is learning, and growing up, very very slowly compared to the rest of the characters. I find her slightly more bearable now but I still have to resist the urge to skip her chapters, not as much as I have to resist skipping Brans true, but the urge is still there.
Actually, Sansa is probably the only really "human" character in the whole work: Jon and Tyrion are too perfect; Jamie is a lesson; Bran is super-human; Arya is a legend; Rob is a myth. Sansa reacted the way humans react when confronted with violence and terror: She did everything she could to survive. She made mistakes, as do all children. Later, she matured, and became more thoughtful, as she reckoned with the damage wrought by her decisions. She is becoming a rich character. Arya, by comparison, seems to be becoming a caricature.
Sansa is a great character and she is changing. Tyrion is changing too in some ways but is not is A Feast of Crows.
I still don't care for the character, but I think her story line is very good. I'm interested in what Littlefinger is up to and I really enjoyed seeing what she saw in the Red Castle. A good point was made about her being the most human earlier. She's kind of frustrating and you want to say you would never act like that, but lots of people would, young and old.
I have a theory that Sansa is the character based most closely on someone GRRM knows/knew in real life... and kind of resents. Just a theory, mind you, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is some girl he knew in school that he is vicariously getting revenge on in his prose. (Because that's the kind of thing I'd do.)Regardless of the character's origin, Martin gives an an excellent funhouse version of the "damsel in distress" motif. What do you do when the Fair Princess is kind of a vapid, obnoxious, spoiled little so-and-so? Does she actually even deserve to be rescued when she put herself into peril? Granted, that was mostly through stupidity and naivete, but still.
She is one of my favorite characters. She may just be the strongest of them all, for all she has endured.
Monica wrote: "it's telling that Martin has killed off her direwolf, although she is still living."I think it's symbolic of the fact that in AGoT (when Lady was killed), Sansa was very keen to disavow her Stark/Northern heritage, and become one the Lannisters/a Southern lady. She was not particularly close to any of her brothers (in fact, she actively rejected Jon by always emphasizing that he was her half-brother), and she detested Arya. It makes sense that Sansa's direwolf was the first to die, as she had set out to distance herself from her siblings as much as possible.
she's kinda a ditz but smart enough to stay alive. I wish she was kinder to tyrion who only wanted to help her
Although in the beginning she was kinda naive I think she will be a major player in the Game of Thrones, certainly under the wings of Littlefinger.
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