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Here's the list of books we'd for which we'd like chapter metadata:A Storm of Swords (A Song of Ice and Fire, #3)
Fifty Shades Darker (Fifty Shades, #2)
Fifty Shades Freed (Fifty Shades, #3)
A Dance with Dragons (A Song of Ice and Fire, #5)
A Feast for Crows (A Song of Ice and Fire, #4)
Pride and Prejudice
Anna Karenina
The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo
Cloud Atlas
The Girl Who Played With Fire
City of Lost Souls
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
The Great Gatsby
Life of Pi
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (Harry Potter, #6)
Jane Eyre
Les Miserables
Infinite Jest
Where We Belong
Assassin's Apprentice (Farseer Trilogy, #1)
Wuthering Heights
The Count of Monte Cristo
Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail
The Catcher in the Rye
Lolita
The Stand
Rabid: A Cultural History of the World's Most Diabolical Virus
Bossypants
On the Road
Moby-Dick
The Art of Fielding
Behind the Beautiful Forevers
The Happiness Project
The Pragmatic Programmer
Dee wrote: "awesome!! i've been wanting this and Divergent is done since i had it nxt to em on the desk"Thanks! I crossed it off the list.
You say to focus on the default edition of each book. Is that rule so as not to overburden librarians or is it to keep from crashing some servers? Is it even possible to try on a different edition?Just curious b/c I have non-default editions for some of these and would be willing to contribute their info :)
from Patrick's first post - Please include all chapters, including introductions, epiloguesonce you type in the number, you can re-label the chapters to include prologue/epilogue etc from what I saw
Sorry Dee, I deleted my post 'cos I reread Patrick's post.Suggested tweak. Before creating the blank Chapter 1, Chapter 2, etc ask how many non-numbered headings there should be. If you add Prologue as the first entry then the other blank chapters are useless because they start at 2.
Violetta wrote: "You say to focus on the default edition of each book. Is that rule so as not to overburden librarians or is it to keep from crashing some servers? Is it even possible to try on a different edition?..."More not to overburden librarians. If you have an edition of one of the books and feel like entering the data, go for it. We just don't want people to feel the need to track down every obscure version of the Harry Potter books, etc.
"Prologue" and "Epilogue" do count as chapters, Banjomike.
maybe add an optional question on the number of chapters...is there a prologue/epilogue and have that coded in? (don't know how possible that would be)
Starting Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close which will take awhile, as the chapter aren't numbered & must be counted before any data entry can begin. Given the usual structure of the book & experiments with typography & layout, should the section of photos at the very end (an important part of the story) be considered a chapter? If yes, how does one indicate that it is not titled?ETA: and can we use html in the chapter titles (for strike through, in this case)?
I just finished "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks". Tried to add "A few words about this book" that's listed in the TOC and paginated with "ix" but the DB didn't like it and spit back out. Just a heads up that it doesn't like roman numerals. :)ETA:
Please include all chapters, including introductions, epilogues, etc.
(emphasis mine)
If the introduction is using roman numerals - how would you like us to address this?
Dee wrote: "maybe add an optional question on the number of chapters...is there a prologue/epilogue and have that coded in? (don't know how possible that would be)"Probably easier just to ask "how many un-numbered at the start" "how many numbered" "how many un-numbered at the end".
Don't even mention roman numerals, weird numbering, etc.
Note that the default edition of The Hobbit seems to be wrong. the ISBN refers to a Houghton Mifflin paperback not to the Graphia paperback.EDIT: it was a cock-up by onix firebrand. Fixed.
For Roman numeral chapters (like an introduction), let's use page 0 for that. It should work.
Patrick wrote: "For Roman numeral chapters (like an introduction), let's use page 0 for that. It should work."Perfect. Do you want us to list completed books here so you can strike through them on the list above?
I'll do Ready Player One as have it before me.
❂ Jennifer wrote: "Patrick wrote: "For Roman numeral chapters (like an introduction), let's use page 0 for that. It should work."Perfect. Do you want us to list completed books here so you can strike through them ..."
Sure, that'd be great.
For Les Mierables, it is going to be complicated.Five Sections: Fantine, Cosette, Marius, Saint-Denis, Jean Valjean. Each section has 8-9 books. Each book has a dozen or more chapters.
So, you could have:
Cosette, Book 3 - Fulfillment of the Promise Made to the Departed, Chapter 3 - Men Must Have Wine and Horses Water
Just use the hopefully unique chapter titles without numbers (Men Must Have Wine and Horses Water) and ignore all rest?
Oh, right. Completed Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
Deon wrote: "got the Hobbit"Should the chapters be visible? I can't see anything.
I did Clockwork Angel. I would do some more but... I still have to pack for a trip I'm leaving on in... 10 hours. YIKES!
Do you want "parts" labeled as well as chapters? I'm working on Quiet, a non-fiction book on introversion.
Question about Cloud Atlas:There are main chapters with titles. Two of those chapters have numbered chapters within them (because those sections are a book within the book). Do we count all of the chapters within chapters?
To clarify, here's how the book is organized.
The Pacific Journal of Adam Ewing
Half-Lives: The First Luisa Rey Mystery (within which are chapters numbered one through 39)
Letters from Zedelghem
The Ghastly Ordeal of Timothy Cavendish
An Orison of Somni~451
Sloosha’s Crossin’ an’ Ev’rythin’ After
An Orison of Somni~451
The Ghastly Ordeal of Timothy Cavendish
Letters from Zedelghem
Half-Lives: The First Luisa Rey Mystery (within which are chapters numbered 40 to 70)
The Pacific Journal of Adam Ewing
(Yes, the chapter names repeat themselves.)
Ok, I've completedSteve Jobs
Shadow of Night
Discovery of Witches
Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks
Deon wrote: "got the Hobbit"Which edition did you do? I don't see it for the default edition.
mlady_rebecca wrote: "Do you want "parts" labeled as well as chapters? I'm working on Quiet, a non-fiction book on introversion."Do it like Part 1 Chapter 1, Part 1 Chapter 2, etc.
Kara, I think we probably would want those chapters but put the name of the part they are from in front of them. If the book is broken up that way, that's what we want to know.
Finished Ready Player One. It would not allow me to add the 2-page "Acknowledgments" section at the end of book because said the pages 373-374 clearly printed on the pages exceeded the book's number of pages.
The non-Sorcerers Stone Potter books give a "Page Not Found The page you requested doesn't exist. Please check the url again, or visit the home page." error
Patrick wrote: "mlady_rebecca wrote: "Do you want "parts" labeled as well as chapters? I'm working on Quiet, a non-fiction book on introversion."Do it like Part 1 Chapter 1, Part 1 Chapter 2, etc.
Kara, I think..."
The parts also have titles. Just skip the titles?
Banjomike wrote: "The non-Sorcerers Stone Potter books give a "Page Not Found The page you requested doesn't exist. Please check the url again, or visit the home page." error"Just crappy coding on my part. Should be fixed.
Deborah (Debbie Rice) wrote: "Finished Ready Player One. It would not allow me to add the 2-page "Acknowledgments" section at the end of book because said the pages 373-374 clearly printed on the pages exceeded the book's numb..."Debbie...I added two pages to the book total...if you're holding the book, and it has more numbered pages than the profile shows, you can update it.
mlady_rebecca wrote: "The parts also have titles. Just skip the titles?"I guess list it for the first chapter, but then don't bother after that. In other words, "Part 1 The Beginning Chapter 1, Part 1 Chapter 2" etc.
Beth wrote: "Deborah (Debbie Rice) wrote: "Finished Ready Player One. It would not allow me to add the 2-page "Acknowledgments" section at the end of book because said the pages 373-374 clearly printed on the ..."Okay, did not want to mess it up in case page numbers fed in from a data source.
Patrick wrote: "Deon wrote: "got the Hobbit"Which edition did you do? I don't see it for the default edition."
i didn't have default,
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25...
So for Les Mis:Fantine, Book 3 In The Year 1817, Chapter 1 The Year 1817 (p. 114)
Fantine, Book 3, Chapter 2 Double Quartet (p. 120)
Fantine, Book 3, Chapter 3 Four for Four (p. 124)
Cosette, Book 3 - Fulfillment of the Promise Made to the Departed, Chapter 1 The Water Question at Montfermeil (p. 374)
Cosette, Book 3, Chapter 2 Two portraits Filled In (p. 377)
Cosette, Book 3, Chapter 3 Men Must Have Wine and Horses Water (p. 382)
and so on.
Patrick wrote: "mlady_rebecca wrote: "The parts also have titles. Just skip the titles?"I guess list it for the first chapter, but then don't bother after that. In other words, "Part 1 The Beginning Chapter 1, P..."
That makes part 1/chapter 1:
Part 1: The Extrovert Ideal; Chapter 1: The Rise of the "Mighty Likeable Fellow": How Extroversion Became the Cultural Ideal
A bit long. It also shifts the start of certain chapters back to the beginning of the part, since the parts have their own leader page.
Liz M wrote: "So for Les Mis:Cosette, Book 3 - Fulfillment of the Promise Made to the Departed, Chapter 1 The Water Question at Montfermeil
Cosette, Book 3, Chapter 2 Two portraits Filled In
Cosette, Book 3, C..."
Patrick - can you confirm this is how you want it? If so, I'll have to redo Shadow of Night as I only included the Book I: title of book I in the first chapter of that book. So for example:
Part III: London: The Blackfriars: Chapter 15
Chapter 16
Chapter 17
etc.
Also, have completed Pride and Prejudice, but NOT the default edition. I completed edition 9780679601685 as that was the one I had on hand.
Once you hit "save" the first time, it reverts the changes after any additional edits.
❂ Jennifer wrote: "If so, I'll have to redo Shadow of Night as I only included the Book I: title of book I in the first chapter of that book. So for example:Part III: London: The Blackfriars: Chapter 15
Chapter 16
Chapter 17..."
The difference is that Shadow of the Night has unique chapter numbers. Les Mis does not -- it has 48 "Chapter 1"s. (5 sections, Books 1-8, Books 1-8, Books 1-8, Books 1-15, Books 1-9 respectively, and each of those 48 books has chapters 1-whatever).
So, the thing with Cloud Atlas is that the chapters repeat names. And for some reason, when I save, Goodreads is automatically changing the page number I put in the second on to be identical to the page number in the first one. I tried to fix this by adding (1) and (2) respectively to the chapters with the same names, but after saving, the (1) and (2) disappear and the page numbers are identical again. I'm not sure why this is.
The Name of the Wind is done.Two notes:
1 - I agree with the above posters, the auto chapter numbers are annoying because I had to change every single one just because there was a prologue.
2 - Got a Gateway Timeout the first time I submitted... refreshing the page got me double the chapters with the info filled in. I fixed it on the above book (deleting every other one was simple and quick) but thought others might want to know.
I am working on Gone Girl right now, but this one is complicated. It is broken into 3 parts, so I started withPart I:Boy Loses Girl Next is the first chapter within Part 1, but it is titled "Nick Dunne, the day of". But there are numerous chapters with that same title. So I am thinking...should I list it as
Chapter 1: Nick Dunne the day of
Just for clarity since so many of the chapters are named but the names are the same or similar?
Okay, I just went with it. Gone Girl is finished.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/84...
Stefani wrote: "Part I:Boy Loses Girl Next is the first chapter within Part 1, but it is titled "Nick Dunne, the day of". But there are numerous chapters with that same title. So I am thinking...should I list it asChapter 1: Nick Dunne the day of
Just for clarity since so many of the chapters are named but the names are the same or similar?
Okay, I just went with it."
Wise Man's Fear had a similar issue, chapters with the same name. I just included the chapter numbers for every chapter to differentiate.
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To start with, we'd like to ask your help in populating the chapter metadata for a list of 100 books which we've created. This list is meant to be a fairly diverse mix of different types of books with recent activity. If this pilot program goes as planned, we will roll this out across the site.
Here's what we'd need you to do:
- Using the edit book link, access the book edit form. Use the edit chapters link to access the chapter edit page.
- If the book does not have any chapter data yet, you will be prompted to specify the number of chapters in the book. Please include all chapters, including introductions, epilogues, etc.
- This will take you to a second form, where you can edit each chapter's name and location (either a page number or percentage). Both of these must be provided for each chapter.
- If the form asks for chapter locations as a percentage, this lacks a page count. If this information is available, please go back & provide this information before continuing. The notable exception is the Kindle edition, which often will not have a page count.
Please don't do this for every edition. For now, just focus on the default edition of each book. If the default edition is audio, please use the most popular print edition in its place.
Thanks for your help & please let me know if you have any questions!
I'll post the list in the next comment due to character limits.