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This is one of those books that took a couple of tries to get into.
The first, oh, eighty pages or so are nested prologues, and they are all about war and death. When I first attempted this book shortly after publication, I put it down at that point, thinking that this was one for young guys who liked a lot of war porn.
Well, after several years of being told that no, I was totally wrong, I ought to try it again, I pulled it out a few nights ago, and grimly smacked into those early pages again. Y ...more
The first, oh, eighty pages or so are nested prologues, and they are all about war and death. When I first attempted this book shortly after publication, I put it down at that point, thinking that this was one for young guys who liked a lot of war porn.
Well, after several years of being told that no, I was totally wrong, I ought to try it again, I pulled it out a few nights ago, and grimly smacked into those early pages again. Y ...more

Dec 18, 2018
Rinaldo
rated it
really liked it
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4.25/5
So, I accidentally started this book when I was in the middle of Toll the Hounds (Malazan Book of the Fallen #8). The original plan was to hold up until the 4th or even ideally 5th book is released, but alas, I'm that weak.
Speaking about expectations, I came to this book with perhaps too high expectations. It's almost universally well-loved by my trusted reviewers and friends in fantasy ...more
So, I accidentally started this book when I was in the middle of Toll the Hounds (Malazan Book of the Fallen #8). The original plan was to hold up until the 4th or even ideally 5th book is released, but alas, I'm that weak.
“Expectations were like fine pottery. The harder you held them, the more likely they were to crack.”
Speaking about expectations, I came to this book with perhaps too high expectations. It's almost universally well-loved by my trusted reviewers and friends in fantasy ...more

Genuinely I don't know why everyone gives Sanderson a pass on some of the slowest, most repetitive writing I have ever seen... The way the protagonists would have the same thoughts and revelations over and over, the almost complete lack of plot structure until the last three or four hours of the book (did I mention that the audiobook is 45 hours long?), the insufferably dreary worldbuilding... I just don't understand how people love it all so much.
Honestly, I feel like this could have been good ...more
Honestly, I feel like this could have been good ...more

Prelude.
Ok... interesting.
Prologue
Ok... so... nothing to do with the prelude. Ok... Interesting, though.
Part I
Something different, again.
next chapter, something different, again.
and it goes on like that.
It takes quite a lot of time for me to realize that Cenn is pretty much irrelevant. He's just a young boy who gets killed on his first battle. Yeah, he dies.
We are introduced to a lot of people, and half of them are irrelevant. As much care is taken to present even the irrelevant characters, so ...more
Ok... interesting.
Prologue
Ok... so... nothing to do with the prelude. Ok... Interesting, though.
Part I
Something different, again.
next chapter, something different, again.
and it goes on like that.
It takes quite a lot of time for me to realize that Cenn is pretty much irrelevant. He's just a young boy who gets killed on his first battle. Yeah, he dies.
We are introduced to a lot of people, and half of them are irrelevant. As much care is taken to present even the irrelevant characters, so ...more

Some really great worldbuilding and ideas in this. It's a bit of a rocky start, but the storytelling comes together wonderfully.
...more

Ambitious and lush. However, I feel like it would have been a stronger 500-page novel. More decompressed than is my preference.
Also, I'm not at all confident that a medieval-ish patrilineal patriarchy would persist when only women are literate. Correspondingly, women's voices are backgrounded in the work. ...more
Also, I'm not at all confident that a medieval-ish patrilineal patriarchy would persist when only women are literate. Correspondingly, women's voices are backgrounded in the work. ...more

YES YES YES!
Can't wait to finish the rest of this series. ...more
Can't wait to finish the rest of this series. ...more

Mar 12, 2015
Chompa
marked it as to-read

Oct 30, 2016
Nicole
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Dec 05, 2016
Eileen Johnson
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May 02, 2017
Val
marked it as to-read

Jun 04, 2020
Nile
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Jul 02, 2020
Savana
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Dec 13, 2021
Isabel
rated it
it was amazing
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