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Cosmic’s comments from the Breaking The Code To The Catcher In The Rye group.

Basically everything that I have said above has been restated by Arthur And. Pierson a master mason. Also he uses the trestle boards to explain Masonic symbolism. Very interesting and beneficial to anyone that wants to understand The Catcher in the Rye


In this video this master mason explains that the chisel is "education".


https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=ShKqg...

Also this is video taped in the Alexandria Washington Lodge No. 22
This is the lodge the Selma lodge erected the cornerstone for.

It is also interesting the symbolism for the swords for fencing were lost on the subway, in the next paragraph in the Catcher is touched upon in this video as well.

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Be sure to check out my review and comment in the above link.

I hope you will read the book that inspired the Alfred Hitchcock film:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=t...

The film and book are both referenced in the Catcher.

I am listening to my professor audible Joyce's UlyssesJoyce's Ulysses. He mentions the scene where Bloom goes into the restaurant:

"His heart astir he pushed in the door of the Burton restaurant. Stink gripped his trembling breath: pungent meatjuice, slush of greens. See the animals feed.
Men, men, men.

Perched on high stools by the bar, hats shoved back, at the tables calling for more bread no charge, swilling, wolfing gobfuls of sloppy food, their eyes bulging, wiping wetted moustaches. A pallid suetfaced young man polished his tumbler knife fork and spoon with his napkin. New set of microbes. A man with an infant's saucestained napkin tucked round him shovelled gurgling soup down his gullet. A man spitting back on his plate: halfmasticated gristle: gums: no teeth to chewchewchew it. Chump chop from the grill. Bolting to get it over. Sad booser's eyes. Bitten off more than he can chew. Am I like that? See ourselves as others see us. Hungry man is an angry man. Working tooth and jaw."

I believe this made me look at the men as animals. Maybe it is not that they are animals but maybe he views them that way. Which is not that far from our education of seeing ourselves evolved...and "the survival of the fittest."

I have something else

In All Quiet on the Western Front he says (chapter four) "We march up, moody or good-tempered soldiers--we reach the zone where the front begins and become on the instant human animals.

(Chapter Six)
But so long as we have to stay here in the field, the front-line days, when they are past, sink down in us like a stone; they are too grievous for us to be able to reflect on them at once. If we did that, we should have been destroyed long ago. I soon found out this much:--terror can be endured so long as a man simply ducks;--but it kills, if a man thinks about it. Just as we turn into animals when we go up to the line, because that is the only thing which brings us through safely, so we turn into wags and loafers when we are resting. We can do nothing else, it is a sheer necessity. We want to live at any price; so we cannot burden ourselves with feelings which, though they might be ornamental enough in peacetime, would be out of place here."

In Ulysses as Bloom is leaving the restaurant into says:

"Every fellow for his own, tooth and nail. Gulp. Grub. Gulp. Gobstuff.
He came out into clearer air and turned back towards Grafton street. Eat or be eaten. Kill! Kill!"

I know that Joyce did not read All Quiet on the Western Front but war is universal and these were in the minds of men at the time.

From chapter 8:
Are you saved?
All are washed in the blood of the lamb.
Good wants BLOOD VICTIM. (My emphasis).
Birth, hymen, martyr, war, found- (n)action (?), or foundation (cornerstone see ---), sacrifice, kidney burntoffering, (altar, an incense in the nostrils), durid's altars, Elijah is coming.
D.John Alexander Dowre, restorer of the church of Zion, is coming.

Paying game. ....ad some Birmingham firm the luminous crucifix. Our Saviour. Wake up in the dead of night and see him on the wall, hanging. Pepper's ghost idea. Iron nails ran in....

Phosphorous -it must be done with. If you leave a bit of codfish for instance. (Fish is the symbol of Christianity) The phosphorescence, that bluey greeny. Very good for the brain."

Good For A Burnt Offering:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_...
"As an incendiary weapon, white phosphorus burns fiercely and can ignite cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles.

In addition to its offensive capabilities, white phosphorus is also a highly efficient smoke-producing agent, burning quickly and producing an instant blanket of smoke. As a result, smoke-producing white phosphorus munitions are very common, particularly as smoke grenades for infantry, loaded in grenade launchers on tanks and other armored vehicles, or as part of the ammunition allotment for artillery or mortars. These create smoke screens to mask movement, position, infrared signatures, or the origin of fire from the enemy."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_...
"The British Army introduced the first factory-built WP grenades in late 1916. During World War II, white phosphorus mortar bombs, shells, rockets, and grenades were used extensively by American, Commonwealth, and, to a lesser extent, Japanese forces, in both smoke-generating and antipersonnel roles. The British military also used white phosphorus bombs against Kurdish villagers and Al-Habbaniyah in Al-Anbar province during the Great Iraqi Revolution of 1920.


Air burst of a white phosphorus bomb over the USS Alabama during a test exercise conducted by General Billy Mitchell, September 1921
In the interwar years, the U.S. Army trained using white phosphorus, by artillery shell and air bombardment."
Albright and Wilson
Albright and Wilson was founded in 1856 as a United Kingdom manufacturer of potassium chlorate and white phosphorus for the match industry. For much of its first 100 years of existence, phosphorus-derived chemicals formed the majority of its products.

It was set up as a Partnership between two Quakers, Arthur Albright, and John Edward Wilson.[1][2] It became a private limited company, Albright & Wilson Ltd, in 1892; and it remained a double family-owned firm, for nearly 100 years, until 5 March 1948, when it became a public company.[3]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrig...

Here is a link to the free copy of Ulysses by James Joyce:

http://www.gutenberg.org/zipcat2.php/...

I especially want to focus on chapter 8 of Ulyssesalthough I think the whole book and the style of writing greatly influenced how Salinger wrote the book The Catcher in the Rye

Chapter 8 is The Lestrygonians
The Laestrygonians (or Laestrygones, Laistrygones, Laistrygonians, Lestrygonians; Greek: Λαιστρυγόνες) are a tribe of giant cannibals from ancient Greek mythology.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laestr...


http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction...


Ulysses, Cannibals and Freemasons
http://www.amazon.com/Ulysses-Canniba...

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307...

I have written about the connection between Freemasonary and The Catcher in the Rye here:

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Now what ties these two books together is that the chapter that connects Bloom as being a mason is also the where the allusion to the poem Coming Through The Rye
by Robert Burns.

In Chapter 8 of Ulysses he says;
"Your funeral's tomorrow
While you're coming through the rye
Diddlediddle, dumdum
Diddlediddle...."

I was really thinking about this passage from chapter 8 of Ulysses:
"Brewry barge with export stout. England.
We air sours it, I heard.
Be interesting someday get a pass through Hancock to see the brewery.
REGULAR WORLD IN ITSELF (emphasis is mine).
Vats of porter, wonderful. Rats get in too.
Drink themselves bloated big as a collie floating.
Dead drunk on the porter.
Drink till they puke again like Christians.
Imagine the drinking that!
Rats: Vats
Well of course if we knew all the things.

I was thinking that perhaps the word puke and vomit in the Catcher may allude back to this.
Rats get drunk.

I was thinking about Marx's statement that religion is the opium of the people. I can see that if we do not teach people to think they can become drunk on "belief". Whether that belief be religion, science, education, money, or patriotism; it can make us sick and even be the cause of our funeral.

* this is just a scratch pad for other interesting links to look at later...:
http://prairiebloom.wordpress.com/aut...
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction...
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307...
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/World_W...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&r...

Sheila wrote: "LOL.

I just read The 39 Steps, partly because of my continuing interest with all this, Cosmic.

And then, after coming back to this thread and reading the movie synopsis, I had to go back and ..."

You are right. The movie is different. He (Alfred Hitchcock) refers to the book The Thirty-Nine Steps. Greenmantle in the opening scene with the girl in the kitchen.


See how both the book and the movie are related to The Catcher In The Rye as a book about "War conspiracy". In the movie it reminds me of school and how some schools set certain individuals up to be crooks ("the wealthier the school the more crooks it has. I'm not kidding.") And other schools are filled with war fodder for the crooks to use to steal with. Of course they need a little religion thrown in* to seal the conditioning. How will they know who the enemy is?

I personally believe that having faith in God is different from having faith in a religion. I think that even science has been used in a religious way so that people are confused by "facts" that have no foundation only endorsements. Religion comes in all flavours. Atheism is a religion.




*(chapter 3 of the Catcher...or they may need to be educated on how important retirement is and how they need to play the stock market...making their wealth more accessible to the crooks, but basically filling children with "the facts and nothing but the facts" [The first line in [book:Hard Times|5344] and the first line in Kraft Und Stoff orForce and Matter Or, Principles of the Natural Order of the Universe. This is the book mentioned in Fathers and Sons and where I believe the name Ackley is derived from....that main character and a scene in Romeo and Juliet that has to do with the priest poison.)

Edward wrote: "It's safe to say that we live in this moment; seems a familiar phrase. The awards and the delusions that seemed so important are merely fading away. So, I wander through these rooms, ............"

I just realized that you may not get a notification that I wrote if I don't hit reply to your post. I used my own post as the reply so I didn't have to fiddle with it as much.

Edward wrote: "Oh, I thought it was something on Youtube. Anyway, I did some research and found a website called; usagold.com/who-actually-owns-the-fed.... Its not overly long, ties in with my understanding, and debunks a few myths; particularly Mullins and someone named Kah.

Whether you agree with what they say or not is sort of irrelevant. I just recommend it because it is a good primer, affords a good understanding of the system, and therefore seems a good starting point to put other information in context.

The damn url doesn't work; so search "ownership of the federal reserve" and click on usagold, etc., etc. ..."

Ok I finished reading it. I don't know enough to comment on this intelligently. I found it interesting.

When I lived in Boston there was a company getting their sidewalk fixed. Because the streets are small bringing in a large cement truck was not practical. There was a man there filling the hole and he had a sizable cement truck. It had small quantities for small jobs. My husband said that was a great idea, and asked the man where do you get one of those trucks. The man answered that you have to be Italian, "gots to be!"

I am sure that just like Pencey Prep was grooming these kids to think a certain way and to be on the right side of the game and game players they can count on, so it is with the banking industry.

If you want to become president you "gots to be" related to the monarchs of England. Anyone can run but only a few are going to get the monetary backing and media support they need to win. In this way the system is a system that is control by an invisible hand.

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it must be a duck. You don't need to get a DNA test to figure that out.

As far as the Federal Reserve article he made it sound like they were a charitable institution. I don't see why we have the Federal Reserve if our own government has the power and ability to make its own money. Why did the Federal Reserve become necessary? If our own government money was failing how and who was undermining it? The Federal Reserve was created on the dawn before we entered WW1. I think this is significant. Why do you need a secret meeting on Jekyll Island if what you want to do is create a benefit? Were the people that "designed" the Federal Reserve, made of common people or people like George Washington, that were financially well off and interested in becoming more enriched and more powerful. This is why I think Holden calls the Revolutionary War cannon, "that crazy cannon".

This is a good discussion Edward. I wish I could actually hear a debate between Kay and Mullins on the one side and the Federal Reserve First-ers on the other.

Edward wrote: "When China decides that it doesn't want to hold any more US paper, the shit will really hit the fan, like its never been previously seen.
..."

I totally agree with you here. Instead of when America gets a cold the world gets the flu it will be when China gets a cold the world (or US) will get the flu.

I will plead ignorance on what you have said before this because I think you probably know more than I do. I am just trying to fugue things out by poking the box.

I take it that you have issues with the documentary The Secrets of Oz? Or did you not like the clip from "The Century Of The Self? Have you heard of The Secrets Of The Federal Reserve?

Edward wrote: "ne small disagreement. The banks do not want to cause a depression, or even a recession. In either event, their ability to collect on loans is diminished; and with their primary asset cast in doubt, their private equity interests fear having to go hat-in-hand to the federal government for help. Despite playable market fluctuations, most of the monied know though they at times doubt, that a conducive solution will invariably come, but at a price; further government controls.
..."

Ok Edward maybe I should have said federal reserve? See this documentary:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=t...
The documentary is called: THE SECRETS OF OZ

Also how about shorts? I thought when there is a depression money is king. Banks can get things cheap and then they can make money in the next cycle?

I may be speaking about things I don't know enough about, but am fascinated by it.

Edward wrote: "I don't know. I can fully understand your thoughts about FDR's possible despotism. The same criticism was aimed at Huey Long; another of my "heroes."

To me this is one of those unanswerable quest..."

I think that if the banks are going to create the depression. Then they are the ones that finance the elections. Then when they come up with a way out of a decade recessions is is probable to benefit them and give us hope. Seems like this is what the people always get is hope.


When Holden says he got the ax I think it is when FDR started talking and acting like fascist.

See this short video clip by the BBC:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=t...

IF THIS DOESN'T GO TO IT IT IS CALLED:

The Century Of The Self HAPPINESS MACHINE.

It reminds me of the movie Stand Up and Cheer with that Little Shirley Bean.

Edward wrote: "I had a strange thought about ducks today. As you point out, TCITR is clearly an allegory. Maybe Salinger was sending this message to whoever doubted the allegorical nature. “If it walks like a duc..."

Edward that is very clever! I think if it look like we got set up to fight in a war because we got the ax (fascism)...and many (I hate to say this because many were helped by FDR, but he was becoming despotic). Probably when you have a draft you have despotism involved on some level, right?

I have been reading Page 107 about Holden's father being a corporate lawyer. It also says that he invest in Hollywood a lot and loses a lot. But basically he is quite wealthy.

So I was looking us some things about Holden getting the ax, because this is also mentioned at the end of the paragraph. See my discussion

So I found this interesting article on how Warner brothers was creating a new kind of male character.

http://www.academia.edu/961460/Warner...

I became interested in this for two reasons. One is that I had been reading Fathers and Sons and he talks about the country being infected with nihilism.

Another was Edward wrote a post about Dale Carnegie.

The one I had most difficulty with was not on the list. Some robber baron did; "How to Win Friends and Influence People." The suggestion of "winning friends" and "influencing" seems German in the former and worthy of disinterest in the latter.

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Comment 4055
I looked up his book and found that it was written in 1936, I believe close or within a couple of years of Little Shirley Temple movie Stand Up And Cheer.

Now these ideas were promoting fascism. In Stand Up And Cheer you have the little children singing "We will fight for the Emperor for we are the Roman Soldiers" and you have adults singing about being optimistic despite having a mortgage or working too hard or suffering.

I think Holden's (GM) mom is of course America. This is where home base is. Look who bailed GM out of the financial crisis? It is also very descriptive of America at that time.

"She (American economy) hasn't felt too healthy since my brother Allie (the allied forces) died. She's very nervous. That's another reason why I hated like hell for her to know I got the ax again."

Look at the fascist symbol again:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascis...

Look at all these Eagles....who have got the ax. Great pun Salinger.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascis...
Both during and after his terms, and continuing today, there has been much criticism of Franklin D. Roosevelt. Critics have questioned not only his policies and positions, but also the general consolidation of power that occurred due to his responses to the crises of the Depression and World War II. Also controversial was the unprecedented length of his tenure as President.

By the middle of his second term, much criticism of Roosevelt centered on fears that he was heading toward a dictatorship, by attempting to seize control of the Supreme Court in the Court-packing incident of 1937, attempting to eliminate dissent within the Democratic party in the South during the 1938 elections, and by breaking the tradition established by George Washington of not seeking a third term when he again ran for re-election in 1940.

So on the first page three of Holden's family are named:
Holden has a mother and a father and a brother named D.B.
Now in order for my theory to hold, this dysfunctional family must relate to each other.

"If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to know is where I was born, an what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, and all that David Copperfield kind of crap, but I don't feel like going into it, if you want to know the truth. In the first place, that stuff bores me, and in the second place, my parents would have about two hemorrhages apiece if I told anything pretty personal about them. They're quite touchy about anything like that, especially my father. They're nice and all--I'm not saying that--but they're also touchy as hell. "

Some things that we are told about Holden's father:

Holden's father wanted Holden to be a Yale man:

"On my right there was this very Joe Yale-looking guy, in a gray flannel suit and one of those flitty-looking Tattersall vests. All those Ivy League bastards look alike. My father wants me to go to Yale, or maybe Princeton, but I swear, I wouldn't go to one of those Ivy League colleges, if I was dying, for God's sake."
CHAPTER 12 Page 85

Maybe he had high hopes that he might get tapped like:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred...

"I got a cab outside the hotel, but I didn't have the faintest damn idea where I was going. I had no place to go. It was only Sunday, and I couldn't go home till Wednesday-or Tuesday the soonest. And I certainly didn't feel like going to another hotel and getting my brains beat out. So what I did, I told the driver to take me to Grand Central Station. It was right near the Biltmore, where I was meeting Sally later, and I figured what I'd do, I'd check my bags in one of those strong boxes that they give you a key to, then get some breakfast. I was sort of hungry. While I was in the cab, I took out my wallet and sort of counted my money. I don't remember exactly what I had left, but it was no fortune or anything. I'd spent a king's ransom in about two lousy weeks. I really had. I'm a goddam spendthrift at heart. What I don't spend, I lose. Half the time I sort of even forget to pick up my change, at restaurants and night clubs and all. It drives my parents crazy. You can't blame them. My father's quite wealthy, though. I don't know how much he makes--he's never discussed that stuff with me--but I imagine quite a lot. He's a corporation lawyer. Those boys really haul it in. Another reason I know he's quite well off, he's always investing money in shows on Broadway. They always flop, though, and it drives my mother crazy when he does it. She hasn't felt too healthy since my brother Allie died. She's very nervous. That's another reason why I hated like hell for her to know I got the ax again. "


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_...

Vanderbilt Hall, named for the family that built and owned the station, serves as the entrance area from 42nd Street at Pershing Square. The terminal has been properly called “Grand Central Terminal” since 1913.

The Vanderbilt were part of an exclusive club:
http://www.jekyllclub.com/about-us/cl...

The Secrets Of The Federal Reserve
The Secrets Of The Federal Reserve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RkOqE...

The Biltmore Hotel
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GON/G...
The hotel opened on New Year's Day 1913, and was operated by Baumann until his death on October 15, 1914.[1] John McEntee Bowman, the Biltmore's manager under Mr. Baumann, took control of the lease and operated the hotel thereafter.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...

Interesting how he dies:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract...

The Biltmore was the brainchild of Gustav Baumann and was the fourth grand New York City hotel to be designed by Warren & Wetmore. It was described as being sumptuous and magnificent and its design ensured that at twenty-six stories it still maintained a harmonious relationship with the rest of Terminal City. A palm court, grand ballroom, Italian garden, and private arrival station at Grand Central ensured that the Biltmore would be in a class of its own. Its name lured the likes of Zelda and F. Scott Fitzgerald to honeymoon there and F. Scott Fitzgerald and J.D. Salinger to incorporate it hotel into their stories.

The hotel was also historically important. Henry Ford tried to broker an end to the First World War there in 1915. On August 4, 1916, the Treaty of the Danish West Indies was signed there by Danish Minister Constantin Brun and Secretary of State Robert Lansing, giving the Danish West Indies (now U.S. Virgin Islands) to the United States for $25,000,000 in gold. Also, from May 6 to May 11, 1942, 600 delegates and Zionist leaders from 18 countries attended the Biltmore Conference, which resolved that British Mandate Palestine be established as a Jewish Commonwealth.

http://untappedcities.com/2013/02/12/...

Picking up the pieces after Baumann :
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M...

(To be continued)

He (D.B.) just got a Jaguar. One of those little English jobs that can do around two hundred miles an hour. It cost him damn near four thousand (4200) bucks. He's got a lot of dough, now. He didn't use to. He used to be just a regular writer, when he was home. He wrote this terrific book of short stories, The Secret Goldfish, in case you never heard of him. The best one in it was "The Secret Goldfish." It was about this little kid that wouldn't let anybody look at his goldfish because he'd bought it with his own money. It killed me. Now he's out in Hollywood, D.B., being a prostitute. If there's one thing I hate, it's the movies. Don't even mention them to me. "

Holden represents General Motors Holding Company,a stock on the stock market. Because GM bought the Holden plant in 1930 when they were in financial trouble and then used that factory to start making war related items. Also when Holden signs his name on page 12 it is just like you would see it on your checks or credit card. It is not how you sign your school paper or your signature.

D.B. in this allegorical sense would be....
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=db
He made his money after writing a book of SHORT stories.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_...

also see When Money Dies: The Nightmare Of The Weimar Hyper Inflation
And The Hare With Amber Eyes: A Family's Century of Art and Loss

The one that Holden like best was called The Secret GOLD-fish. This was also the title of the book.

Secret means:
1 a : kept from knowledge or view : hidden
b : marked by the habit of discretion : closemouthed
c : working with hidden aims or methods : undercover (a secret agent)
d : not acknowledged : unavowed (a secret bride)
e : conducted in secret (a secret trial)
2 : remote from human frequentation or notice : secluded
3 : revealed only to the initiated : esoteric
4 : designed to elude observation or detection (a secret panel)
5 : containing information whose unauthorized disclosure could endanger national security — compare confidential, top secret

Goldfish symbolizes -WEALTH AND PROSPERITY
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld...

"It was about this little kid that wouldn't let anybody look at his goldfish because he'd bought it with his own money. It killed me. " page 1 The Catcher in the Rye

D.B. drives a Jaguar.
A jaguar is at the top of the food chain. JAGUAR like to bite the head of their victim, often dismembering it from the body.

Talk about losing your head.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-ce...
See The Centry Of The Self

In the The Hare With Amber Eyes: A Family's Century of Art and Loss the author talks about his family support of Germany because if Germany lost ...we know that Germany lost....it was the D.B. bank that bought this Jewish bankers bank for pennies. The family was ruined. The bank that had been in the family for generations gone.

Anyway....
"Now D.B. is out in Hollywood being a prostitute and all."
Holden, which represents the war machine and wall street need propaganda to get the people to support and fight in the war. It is Holden that takes his sister to the movies and buys her the Little Shirley Bean record.

In Seven Pillars of Wisdom: A Triumph he defines what it means to be a prostitute in this sense:

"What now looks wanton or sadistic seemed in the field inevitable, or just unimportant routine.
"Blood was always on our hands we were licensed to it. Wounding and killing seemed ephemeral pains, so very brief and sore was life with us. With the sorrow of living so great, the sorrow of punishment had to be pitiless. We lived for the day and died for it. When there was reason and desire to punish we wrote our lesson with gun or whip immediately in the sullen flesh of the sufferer, and the case was beyond appeal. The desert did not afford the refined slow penalties of court and gaols(prison).
"Pray God that men reading the story will not, for the love of the glamour of strangeness, go out prostitute themselves and their talents in serving another race.
"A man who gives himself to be a possession of aliens leads a Yahoo life, having battered his soul to a brute master. He is not of them. He may stand against them, persuade himself of a mission, bait and twist them into something which they of their own accord, would not have been. Then he is exploiting his old environment to press them out of theirs. Or after my model, he may imitate them so well that they spuriously imitate him back again. Then he is giving away his own environment: pretending to theirs and pretences are hollow, worthless things. In neither case does he do a thing of himself, nor a thing so clean as to be his own (without thought of converse), letting them take what action or reaction they please from the silent example."

Having read this book once I wondered if it would have anything of interest toThe Catcher in the Rye.

In keeping with the theme WW2 which I think is the code cipher for this book:

Well I was surprised to find that Eustacia Via wants to go to Paris. Just like Hitler wanted to get to Paris.

We have looked at the word Caul mentioned in David Copperfield and is the first part of the compound word Caulfield, Holden's last name.

Also there is another mention of caul.

"And I was born wi' a caul, and perhaps can be no more ruined than drowned?" Christian added, beginning to give way.
Ultimately Christian laid down his shilling, the raffle began, and the dice went round. When it came to Christian's turn he took the box with a trembling hand, shook it fearfully, and threw a pair-royal. Three of the others had thrown common low pairs, and all the rest mere points.
"The gentleman looked like winning, as I said," observed the chapman blandly. "Take it, sir; the article is yours."
"Haw-haw-haw!" said Fairway. "I'm damned if this isn't the quarest start that ever I knowed!"
"Mine?" asked Christian, with a vacant stare from his target eyes. "I—I haven't got neither maid, wife, nor widder belonging to me at all, and I'm afeard it will make me laughed at to ha'e it, Master Traveller. What with being curious to join in I never thought of that! What shall I do wi' a woman's clothes in MY bedroom, and not lose my decency!"
"Keep 'em, to be sure," said Fairway, "if it is only for luck. Perhaps 'twill tempt some woman that thy poor carcase had no power over when standing empty-handed."
"Keep it, certainly," said Wildeve, who had idly watched the scene from a distance.
The table was then cleared of the articles, and the men began to drink.
"Well, to be sure!" said Christian, half to himself. "To think I should have been born so lucky as this, and not have found it out until now! What curious creatures these dice be—powerful rulers of us all, and yet at my command! I am sure I never need be afeared of anything after this." He handled the dice fondly one by one. "Why, sir," he said in a confidential whisper to Wildeve, who was near his left hand, "if I could only use this power that's in me of multiplying money I might do some good to a near relation of yours, seeing what I've got about me of hers—eh?" He tapped one of his money-laden boots upon the floor."

So the caul has another allusion to luck or risk. Luck is a theme of the Catcher in the Rye. Spenser wishes Holden Good Luck as he leaves. Holden doesn't think it is a very good omen coming from him.

Chance is also associated with reaching for the "gold ring".

To me this and the carousel definitely point to Holden Caulfield being a stock broker. Also the fact that he is the name of a GM car and GM's stock made a lot of money off the war. It also explains why Holden laughs at the carousel that plays "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes."

This is a continuation of the chaos mentioned in the first post in this thread.
Just like Germany runs out of steam so does Eustacia Vye:

"Eustacia at length reached Rainbarrow, and stood still there to think. Never was harmony more perfect than that between the chaos of her mind and the chaos of the world without. A sudden recollection had flashed on her this moment—she had not money enough for undertaking a long journey. Amid the fluctuating sentiments of the day her unpractical mind had not dwelt on the necessity of being well-provided, and now that she thoroughly realized the conditions she sighed bitterly and ceased to stand erect, gradually crouching down under the umbrella as if she were drawn into the Barrow by a hand from beneath. Could it be that she was to remain a captive still? Money—she had never felt its value before. Even to efface herself from the country means were required. To ask Wildeve for pecuniary aid without allowing him to accompany her was impossible to a woman with a shadow of pride left in her; to fly as his mistress—and she knew that he loved her—was of the nature of humiliation."

I mention how Holden says he really likes Eustacia Vye. What does this say about Holden? What does he like about her?

First we should get to know her.
Here is a description from The Return of the Native:
Chapter 8
Queen of Night

Eustacia Vye was the raw material of a divinity. On Olympus she would have done well with a little preparation. She had the passions and instincts which make a model goddess, that is, those which make not quite a model woman. Had it been possible for the earth and mankind to be entirely in her grasp for a while, she had handled the distaff, the spindle, and the shears at her own free will, few in the world would have noticed the change of government. There would have been the same inequality of lot, the same heaping up of favours here, of contumely there, the same generosity before justice, the same perpetual dilemmas, the same captious alteration of caresses and blows that we endure now.


1."Not quite a model woman." Think about our view of Hitler. He is not quite a model man.

2.)Distaff -unspun fibers, keeping them untangled and thus easing the spinning process. (reminds me of the order out of chaos...or a lot of laws to control the German people and to keep people in line.)

"You look a little tied up."
Better to keep you from doing what you want.

3.)Spindle -A spindle is a straight spike usually made from wood used for spinning, twisting fibers such as wool, flax, hemp, cotton into yarn.

"You are look like you are drunk." No, just a little dizzy from all this spinning.


4.)Shears- Sheep shearing is the process by which the woollen fleece of a sheep is cut off. The person who removes the sheep's wool is called a shearer.

"What happened to ya?" "Oh, I've been fleeced."

(To take advantage of).

5.) contumely http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwo...

The link is that the swelling up was with misplaced or ill-judged pride, leading to arrogant behaviour.

6.) Dilemma
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DilemmaA dilemma (Greek: δίλημμα "double proposition") is a problem offering two possibilities, neither of which is practically acceptable. One in this position has been traditionally described as "being on the horns of a dilemma", neither horn being comfortable. This is sometimes more colorfully described as "Finding oneself impaled upon the horns of a dilemma", referring to the sharp points of a bull's horns, equally uncomfortable (and dangerous).

7.)captious-If someone tends to be hypercritical and find fault with everything, you can describe that person as captious.
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/...

captious, something is calculated to confuse or deceive — such as a captious explanation of the facts. When a person is described as captious, the sense is usually of nitpicking at faults or raising petty objections. It is usually used to imply a permanent character or personality flaw, as opposed to a momentary lapse in understanding.

The Return of the Native is mentioned on page 19. Holden says that he liked to call old Thomas Hardy up. "I like that Eustacia Via."

So I started reading The Return of the Native. I have yet to be disappointed to discover something in the books or movies mentioned in The Catcher in the Rye to shed light on Salinger's true reason for writing this book.



So I read it and found this quote...
"as upon some wondrous thing she had created out of chaos."
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/122/12...
(You can do a search for the word chaos and find where it is in the text.)
Maybe quite innocent but it reminds me of the quote

"ORDER OUT OF CHAOS"

Here is a Masonic web site that talks about a book called Order Out of Chaos The Landmark of Freemasonary.

http://northernfreemason.com/masons/2...

What does this have to do with the Catcher in The Rye?

Well it would seem that the first reference to phoney is also a reference to free mason.

See my post here:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

I am interested in seeing how Eustacia Via does this. Presently at this quote she has called a secret meeting with the use of a bon fire up on a hill on November 5th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

From the The Return of the Native:
"It seemed as if the bonfire-makers were standing in some radiant upper story of the world, detached from and independent of the dark stretches below. The heath down there was now a vast abyss, and no longer a continuation of what they stood on; for their eyes, adapted to the blaze, could see nothing of the deeps beyond its influence. Occasionally, it is true, a more vigorous flare than usual from their faggots sent darting lights like aides-de-camp down the inclines to some distant bush, pool, or patch of white sand, kindling these to replies of the same colour, till all was lost in darkness again. Then the whole black phenomenon beneath represented Limbo as viewed from the brink by the sublime Florentine in his vision, and the muttered articulations of the wind in the hollows were as complaints and petitions from the "souls of mighty worth" suspended therein.
It was as if these men and boys had suddenly dived into past ages, and fetched therefrom an hour and deed which had before been familiar with this spot. The ashes of the original British pyre which blazed from that summit lay fresh and undisturbed in the barrow beneath their tread. The flames from funeral piles long ago kindled there had shone down upon the lowlands as these were shining now. Festival fires to Thor and Woden had followed on the same ground and duly had their day. Indeed, it is pretty well known that such blazes as this the heathmen were now enjoying are rather the lineal descendants from jumbled Druidical rites and Saxon ceremonies than the invention of popular feeling about Gunpowder Plot.
Moreover to light a fire is the instinctive and resistant act of man when, at the winter ingress, the curfew is sounded throughout Nature. It indicates a spontaneous, Promethean rebelliousness against that fiat that this recurrent season shall bring foul times, cold darkness, misery and death. Black chaos comes, and the fettered gods of the earth say, Let there be light.
The brilliant lights and sooty shades which struggled upon the skin and clothes of the persons standing round caused their lineaments and general contours to be drawn with Dureresque vigour and dash. Yet the permanent moral expression of each face it was impossible to discover, for as the nimble flames towered, nodded, and swooped through the surrounding air, the blots of shade and flakes of light upon the countenances of the group changed shape and position endlessly. All was unstable; quivering as leaves, evanescent as lightning. Shadowy eye-sockets, deep as those of a death's head, suddenly turned into pits of lustre: a lantern-jaw was cavernous, then it was shining; wrinkles were emphasized to ravines, or obliterated entirely by a changed ray. Nostrils were dark wells; sinews in old necks were gilt mouldings; things with no particular polish on them were glazed; bright objects, such as the tip of a furze-hook one of the men carried, were as glass; eyeballs glowed like little lanterns. Those whom Nature had depicted as merely quaint became grotesque, the grotesque became preternatural; for all was in extremity."

Edward wrote: "But, Pennsey (possibly sic) reminds me of "pence"; a way to denote British currency, if not the face value of their notes. Is this possibly a reference to British influencing control of the "Colonies?" Just a phonetic perception coupled with that which is still very "unscientific," implied derisiveness dismissed in sarcasm, only understood by the few truly enlightened...."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny
a unit of currency (pl. pence) used in several English-speaking countries. It is often the smallest denomination within a currency system.

This is very good. The spelling of the school is Pencey Prep.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/di...
To study or train in preparation for something

The student in Pencey Prep is the smallest denomination of a human being. Look at the 2 page of the Catcher.

Where I want to start telling is the day I left Pencey Prep. Pencey Prep is this school that's in Agerstown, Pennsylvania. You probably heard of it. You've probably seen the ads, anyway. They advertise in about a thousand magazines, always showing some hotshot guy on a horse jumping over a fence. Like as if all you ever did at Pencey was play polo all the time. I never even once saw a horse anywhere near the place. And underneath the guy on the horse's picture, it always says: "Since 1888 we have been molding boys into splendid, clear-thinking young men." Strictly for the birds. They don't do any damn more molding at Pencey than they do at any other school. And I didn't know anybody there that was splendid and clear-thinking and all. Maybe two guys. If that many. And they probably came to Pencey that way.

How would you like your money to jump over fences?

For the birds? What kind? Vultures

For more reference on birds I will be posting something soon.

"Pencey was full of crooks....The more expensive a school is the more crooks it has."

It makes me think of currency wars.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curren...

They kinda act like this is a new thing but it is the same pig with new lipstick.

When Money Dies: The Nightmare Of The Weimar Hyper Inflation

So these are the new elites learning their trade. Trafficking in war, power, manipulation of money and people.

I have been spending time reading other books named or referenced in the Catcher. I will write about what I have found this week.