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Cosmic’s comments from the Breaking The Code To The Catcher In The Rye group.

Here is another poet from WW1.

Siegfried Sassoon
http://www.poemhunter.com/siegfried-s...
http://www.poemhunter.com/siegfried-s...

This is a video that Stanley Kubrick made about his involvement in making a propaganda film about America landing on the moon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9imVp...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABxAN...

At about 9:30 on the first video Stanley Kubrick list J. D. Salinger as one of the people that was in on a government secret. These secrets affected them in such a way that they became recluse and avoided interviewees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMINS...

The astronauts are indeed going in slow motion. We are so gullible.

Under the spell of Hollywood.

Here is a great example of what it means to be a prostitute for Hollywood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kNw...

He even mentions J.D. Salinger. He compares Neil Armstrong to Salinger, and host of other prostitutes. He also says how it ruined their life.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samue...

Samuel McLaughlin
With engines from William C. Durant of Buick he produced the McLaughlin-Buick Model F, establishing The McLaughlin Motor Car Company, incorporated on November 20, 1907. In 1908, its first full year of operation, it produced 154 cars. In 1910 he became a director of General Motors and sold his Chevrolet company stocks in 1918 becoming president of General Motors of Canada, which continued to sell cars under the McLaughlin-Buick brand until 1942. He retired in 1945, but remained chairman of the board until his death.

Du Pont was a significant figure in the success of General Motors, building a sizeable personal investment in the company as well as supporting Raskob's proposal for DuPont to invest in the automobile company. Pierre du Pont resigned the chairmanship of GM in response to GM President Alfred Sloan's dispute with Raskob over Raskob's involvement with the Democratic National Committee. When du Pont retired from its Board of Directors, GM was the largest company in the world.

Who is Holden Caulfield?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden


The Great Depression led to a substantial downturn in production by Holden, from 34,000 units annually in 1930 to just 1,651 units one year later.[11] In 1931 General Motors purchased Holden Motor Body Builders and merged it with General Motors (Australia) Pty Ltd to form General Motors-Holden's Ltd (GM-H).

Ten years before USA entered WW2.

Holden's second full-scale car factory, located in Fishermans Bend (Port Melbourne), was completed in 1936, with construction beginning in 1939 on a new plant in Pagewood, New South Wales.[12] However, World War II delayed car production with efforts shifted to the construction of vehicle bodies, field guns, aircraft and engines.[15]

"If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to know is where I was born, an what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, and all that David Copperfield kind of crap, but I don't feel like going into it, if you want to know the truth. In the first place, that stuff bores me, and in the second place, my parents would have about two hemorrhages apiece if I told anything pretty personal about them."

Given the premise that Holden is a car produced by GM, who are his parents? Who started GM?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi...
William Crapo "Billy" Durant (December 8, 1861 – March 18, 1947) was a leading pioneer of the United States automobile industry, who created the system of multi-brand holding companies with different lines of cars; and the co-founder of General Motors with Frederic L. Smith, and of Chevrolet with Louis Chevrolet. He also founded Frigidaire.

Durant founded General Motors Holding Company on September 16, 1908, with $500,000 in Buick stock that Durant traded McLaughlin for $500,000 of McLaughlin stock, making McLaughlin one of General Motors' biggest shareholders.

Ten years before USA entered WW1.

General Motors Corporation was started at this time with Durant putting Pierre du Pont in charge, with McLaughlin Director and Vice President of the newly incorporated General Motors Corporation in 1918.



These were some "Splendid Boys."

Pierre served as DuPont's president until 1919. Pierre gave the DuPont company a modern management structure and modern accounting policies and made the concept of return on investment primary.

During World War I, the company grew very quickly due to advance payments on Allied munition contracts. He also established many other DuPont interests in other industries. [Yeah like the war machine industries]


Who was his mother?

"A Ka lives after the body is dead"
Kora and Ka with Mira-Mare by Hilda Doolittle 1934 poetry.

I finished listening to J.D. Salinger: A Life

His last interview was very revealing, it said. When asked about his war years he referred to himself in third person.

Ka - Egyptian mythology.

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/ka.htm
The ka as a spiritual double was born with every man and lived on after he died as long as it had a place to live. The ka lived within the body of the individual and therefore needed that body after death. This is why the Egyptians mummified their dead. If the body decomposed, their spiritual double would die and the deceased would lose their chance for eternal life. An Egyptian euphemism for death was "going to one's ka". After death the ka became supreme. Kings thus claimed to have multiple kas. Rameses II announced that he had over 20.

The ka was more than that though. When the ka acted, all was well, both spiritually and materially. Sin was called "an abomination of the ka". The ka could also be seen as the conscience or guide of each individual, urging kindness, quietude, honor and compassion. In images and statues of the ka, they are depicted as their owner in an idealized state of youth, vigor and beauty. The ka is the origin and giver of all the Egyptians saw as desirable, especially eternal life.

Osiris was often called the ka of the pyramids

I found another reference to 'Caul':
http://www.caulbearer.org/cb_religion...

"The purpose of the Caulbearer is to serve mankind, and to guide men and women to understand themselves and the world and universe within which we live. The Caulbearer mind is such that if it is properly trained by those who know how, it will be of service to those who wish to follow its ability to reason and understand certain things which lie above and below the immediate vision of our everyday realitie"

This would underscore the title's meaning and Holdings desire to be the Catcher In The Rye.

PHONIES

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11...
"Fake", a simple definition: something that is not what it purports to be, a worthless imitation passed off as genuine; an impostor or charlatan. Example: “American society is extraordinarily fake; filled with lies, fraud, facades, mirages, deception, disinformation, misinformation, propaganda and brainwashing.”

https://youtu.be/kip2w-DceV0


"One of the biggest reasons I left Elkton Hills was because I was surrounded by phonies. That's all. They were coming in the goddam window. For instance, they had this headmaster, Mr. Haas, that was the phoniest bastard I ever met in my life. Ten times worse than old Thurmer."

Elkton,MD
http://475thmpeg.memorieshop.com/Elkt...

The “Boom-Boom” Girls of WW2

In the war years Elkton grew from a sleepy rural town of 3500 residents to a town of over 12,000, if you count all of the munition workers. My mother’s aunt was the wife of a prominent barrister there and lived in a rather stately mansion. I observed first-hand her “starchy” reaction to the influx of “girls in trousers.” It was not unlike that of the other ladies of the town.

Karl Haas

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_...

After the war, SS-Hauptsturmführer Hass was captured by the Allies, but rather than being brought to justice for his war crimes, he was apparently employed by the United States Army Counter Intelligence Corps to spy on the Soviet Union. Only Kappler was charged with the Ardeatine cave massacre.

PHONIES

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11...
"Fake", a simple definition: something that is not what it purports to be, a worthless imitation passed off as genuine; an impostor or charlatan. Example: “American society is extraordinarily fake; filled with lies, fraud, facades, mirages, deception, disinformation, misinformation, propaganda and brainwashing.”

https://youtu.be/kip2w-DceV0


"One of the biggest reasons I left Elkton Hills was because I was surrounded by phonies. That's all. They were coming in the goddam window. For instance, they had this headmaster, Mr. Haas, that was the phoniest bastard I ever met in my life. Ten times worse than old Thurmer."

Elkton,MD
http://475thmpeg.memorieshop.com/Elkt...

The “Boom-Boom” Girls of WW2

In the war years Elkton grew from a sleepy rural town of 3500 residents to a town of over 12,000, if you count all of the munition workers. My mother’s aunt was the wife of a prominent barrister there and lived in a rather stately mansion. I observed first-hand her “starchy” reaction to the influx of “girls in trousers.” It was not unlike that of the other ladies of the town.

Karl Haas

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_...

After the war, SS-Hauptsturmführer Hass was captured by the Allies, but rather than being brought to justice for his war crimes, he was apparently employed by the United States Army Counter Intelligence Corps to spy on the Soviet Union. Only Kappler was charged with the Ardeatine cave massacre.

"....but in his translation he sacrifices the mnemonic set phrases that are used to describe key characters. If you're not familiar with this, I'll try to explain: certain characters are evoked again and again by descriptive phrases that are repeated throughout the poem: "Broad-armed Hector" or something like that. The phrases may have functioned as mental bookmarks for storytellers long ago." Do you think that these phrases such as "That killed me." Could be significant apart from what was being said?

I believe that the phasing in The Catcher has some significance. I just came across this word "mnemonic" while studying which translation of the Illiad to get. We know Salinger would have studied this and have been very familiar with it's writing style.

I didn't know that poetry was a big part of war history! I didn't grow up with very much poetry. I am looking forward to reading these poems.

Allie had a glove that he wrote poems on because he was catching bullets in the trenches. That is what the second review of this book reminded me of.

hen I was teaching, one of my favorite assignments each year was when we got to “World War 1”. Each year we would dig “trenches” and my students would sit in them and write what I called “trench poems.” We would do the assignment after studying the poetry of “World War 1”. I have long believed that some of the richest and most over looked poetry of the last century came out of “The Great War”. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that I loved “Poetry of the First World War” compiled and edited by Tim Kendall.

The poems in this anthology are intensely personal. Often you feel as if you are with them in the mud, barbed wire, fogs of chemicals, and rotting corpses. The anthology is a definitive work and contains all the great poets of the time, including Siegfried Sassoon, Wilfred Owen,, Rupert Brooke and Ivor Gurney.

This is a great gift and should be on the shelves of anyone who considers themselves a poetry lover or history buff.

Poetry of the First World War: An Anthology


This is a review from http://www.amazon.com/Poetry-First-Wo...

The 100th anniversary of the beginning of World War 1 is officially July 28, the day Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia and attacked, in retribution for the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand and Archduchess Sophie in Sarajevo by a Serbian teenager. By the time the war ended, more than 70 million military personnel had been involved; more than nine million combatants were dead; and the German, Austrian, Ottoman, and Russian ruling families were swept from power.

It seems odd to associate poetry with war, but it is a fact that no war is more connected to poetry that World War I. And for that we mostly have the English to thank.

From 1914 to 1918, poetry went to war. But it went to war in all its possible permutations – jingoistic nationalism; nostalgia for a world being fought for even as it passed away; the cynical response of the men in the trenches to their incompetent generals; the mourning of civilians; pacifism and opposition to the war; and the reflection of what it all meant, or didn’t mean, years after the war was over.

The poets we usually associate with World War I are those who died in the conflict – Rupert Brooke (1887-1915), Wilfred Owen (1893-1918), and possibly Isaac Rosenberg (1890-1918). These are the ones who usually show up in the high school and college English textbooks. But as Tim Kendall points out in “The Poetry of the First World War: An Anthology,” the number of poets involved was far greater than the handful represented in the texts. They came from the upper classes, middle class and working class.

Novelist Thomas Hardy, for example, wrote poems about the war from the outbreak of hostilities in August 1914 to the armistice in November 1918. So did Rudyard Kipling, who lost his son John at age 18 in the Battle of Loos.

And it wasn’t only poets who went to war; men in the trenches read poetry. In fact, Kendall says, the most commonly read book by soldiers in the trenches was A.E. Housman’s A Shropshire Lad, possibly because of the feelings the long poem evoked about the England being fought for.
And after the war, it was largely the poets who framed Britain’s understanding of what had happened and why.

The anthology includes some wonderful poetry, and it’s difficult to limit a choice of favorites to one or two or a handful. Here is one by Rosenberg, who grew up in Whitechapel in London’s East End and was torn between being a painter or a poet until the war arrived:

Break of Day in the Trenches

The darkness crumbles away.
It is the same old druid Time as ever,
Only a live thing leaps my hand,
A queer sardonic rat,
As I pull the parapet’s poppy
To stick behind my ear.
Droll rat, they would shoot you if they knew
Your cosmopolitan sympathies.
Now you have touched this English hand
You will do the same to a German
Soon, no doubt, if it be your pleasure
To cross the sleeping green between.
It seems you inwardly grin as you pass
Strong eyes, fine limbs, haughty athletes,
Less chanced than you for life,
Bonds to the whims of murder,
Sprawled in the bowels of the earth,
The torn fields of France.
What do you see in our eyes
At the shrieking iron and flame
Hurled through still heavens?
What quaver—what heart aghast?
Poppies whose roots are in man’s veins
Drop, and are ever dropping;
But mine in my ear is safe—
Just a little white with the dust.

And there’s Edward Thomas (1878-1917), considered something of a hack writer, Kendall says, until he developed a friendship with and received encouragement from Robert Frost. His first book of poetry was being prepared for publication when Thomas was killed at the Battle of Arras. This is his poem “The Private:”

This ploughman dead in battle slept out of doors
Many a frozen night, and merrily
Answered staid drinkers, good bedmen, and all bores:
"At Mrs Greenland's Hawthorn Bush," said he,
"I slept." None knew which bush. Above the town,
Beyond `The Drover', a hundred spot the down
In Wiltshire. And where now at last he sleeps
More sound in France -that, too, he secret keeps.

Two other favorites are Robert Service’s “Only a Boche” and Owen’s “Anthem for Doomed Youth.”

Kendall, professor of English at Exeter University, is a poet, biographer and literary critic, having publishing works on Robert Frost, Sylvia Plath, Paul Muldoon, war poetry, and 20th century British and Irish poetry. He also has a blog entitled War Poetry. In “The Poetry of World War I,” Kendall has created a remarkable anthology. The introductory essay alone is worth the price of the book. The poems included have been selected with care and insight (and are annotated), and each poet receives a succinct introduction. He also includes music-hall and trench songs such as “Mademoiselle from Armentieres,” because even the songs sung by soldiers had poetic influence.

When I finished this deeply satisfying anthology, having read and reread many of the poems, I better understood why this war was so infused with poetry. These are poems that came from the mud, the blood, the lice, and the tedium of war in the trenches, a tedium interrupted by occasional shellings and horrific battles. And these poems came from the witnessing of friends and comrades dying, often painfully so, and even understanding that the deaths of enemy soldiers was in a way the death of themselves.

This war changed everything, sweeping away what once was and what never could be restored. And poetry was there to express it and record it.

I liked finding this tidbit to establish that weather modification is not something new.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint...

"Between 1791 and 1833, Saint Helena became the site of a series of experiments in conservation, reforestation and attempts to boost rainfall artificially.[4] This environmental intervention was closely linked to the conceptualization of the processes of environmental change and helped establish the roots of environmentalism."

I found another literary reference to "splendid fellow".


"The choice of the authorities fell upon Matvy Ilyitch Kolyazin, the son of the Kolyazin, under whose protection the brothers Kirsanov had once found themselves. He, too, was a 'young man'; that is to say, he had not long passed forty, but he was already on the high road to becoming a statesman, and wore a star on each side of his breast—one, to be sure, a foreign star, not of the first magnitude. Like the governor, whom he had come down to pass judgment upon, he was reckoned a progressive; and though he was already a bigwig, he was not like the majority of bigwigs. He had the highest opinion of himself; his vanity knew no bounds, but he behaved simply, looked affable, listened condescendingly, and laughed so good-naturedly, that on a first acquaintance he might even be taken for 'a jolly good fellow.'* On important occasions, however, he knew, as the saying is, how to make his authority felt. 'Energy is essential,' he used to say then, 'l'énergie est la première qualité d'un homme d'état;' and for all that, he was usually taken in, and any moderately experienced official could turn him round his finger. Matvy Ilyitch

*this is also translated "splendid fellow" in the audio version of the book.

Uncle Wiggily in Connecticut

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_M...

Ramona invisible friends:
Donald duck, Jimmy cricket, Mickey mouse and Walt Disney,

Walt gets his head blown off by a japanese stove. Japanese stove looks like an egg. I have a barbecue from WW2 that is a barbecue egg. Reminds me of the the atomic bomb

four men starving to death in Alaska
(Call of the Wild?)

Yellow and brown...the color of the German uniform
Hmm...."I was a nice girl wasn't i?"

Uncle Wiggily in Connecticut

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_M...

four men starving to death in Alaska
(Call of the Wild?)

I looked up "78 banana war" I found this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo...

At the moment it is too much to read and find the connections so i just am leaving it as a note.

My question is how might this war and the Banana War be similar?