KatieMc’s Comments (group member since Jul 14, 2013)

KatieMc’s comments from the The Administration Zone group.

So happy to see this Carnac discussion going. I really need to reread Prodigal, it seems that some finer points went right past me.

Somewhere, maybe here on GoodReads, I saw a poll asking who Carnac really loved. The choices were a) Warrick b) Himself or c) Toreth. I am in the minority in that I think Carnac has an unhealthy secret love for Toreth. Maybe not love, but certainly he is smitten. Of course, he acts like he hates him, mainly because it is easier to do that than admit how you really feel. Warrick is a rational and logical choice for Carnac, but I don't think Warrick holds any passion for him.

Also, somewhere buried in Manna's live journal is a deleted scene from Mind Fuck that has Carnac in it. It takes place in Strasbourg when Toreth was investigating Pearl Nissam's death. The scene was Carnac on his balcony watching a sexy blonde I&I para-investigator and his sister point out that he has a hardon! LOL.

Therese wrote: "My name is Therese and I am a Carnacholic..."

Picture fellow Carnaholics sitting in a circle on folding chairs in a church basement drinking coffee out of paper cups… and now you hear the group saying in a monotone unison “hi Therese”

Thank you for your post, this thread could use some excitement and your comments are most definitely thought provoking.

He is what Warrick should have been. The irony is that even if he makes the world a better place, could Carnac ever have what Warrick has in the imperfect world of The Administration? I agree, Carnac has balls for his role in the revolt. His views seem more theoretical and he approaches them in a dry academic way, ergo the eliminating of I&I workers.

I enjoyed Carnac playing with Toreth (for the sake fo the story of course) and I equally enjoyed Toreth getting back at Carnac in FATW. I definitely would read more of Carnac, either as a standalone or part of TA.

Yikes... it looks like the site http://www.mannazone.org/ has been hijacked. Does anyone know anything?

Have you read any of the shorts?

The Beginner's Guide to Blake's 7 Slash is HILARIOUS, but I don't think you would appreciate it till you get to know some of the characters.

I have started the 4th one which is the longest, but have not made much progress. The writing is classic Manna style, 'show don't tell'. It is all a bit disorienting because there are lots of new characters and a new world and you don't quite know who is who or even where in galaxy you are.

The first one (Cold) starts out with a sex scene of sorts, but it's subtle and you almost have to read twice to notice it. Classic Manna Francis style, she drops you in the middle of a scene without any background or setup and forces you to observe to figure out what's happening.

Krissie, I would be most grateful if you cataloged it to GR.

A recent LJ entry by Manna Francis (manna.livejournal.com) mentioned her Blakes 7 fanfics. As you may know, Blakes 7 served as an inspiration for The Administration, although she clearly states that TA is not Blakes fanfic.

Never fear, she does have some Blakes 7 fanfics. The two that she mentions in her LJ are:
Mindswap http://archiveofourown.org/works/5150...
Autopilot http://archiveofourown.org/works/1135599

But if you go to her page, there are several http://archiveofourown.org/users/Mann.... There are a few standalones and a few multi-part series.

So far, I have read the first 3 parts of ...And What Happened After. The 4th part is much longer and I might read it tonight. The setting is somewhere not on Earth. There is The Federation, rebels, and even mention of torturing interragators. But more importantly is the pairing of Avon & Tarrant. Tarrant is a pilot (spaceships!) and Avon is a gorgeous charismatic computer guy. I am still getting to know them, but there is that push me/pull you dynamic that you see with Warrick & Toreth.

On behalf of the Administration, Happy New Year!

That is cool. I suppose it is a custom creation. I don't suppose there is an online store somewhere with Toreth mugs or Warrick pillows?

Xing, this is too funny. I read somewhere that Toreth would never have kids (as he probably shouldn't) and it is hard to think of a scenario where he would end up as a parent. But I think you put together a somewhat plausible scenario.

Maybe someone could write some fanfiction just to see what the story looks like on paper. Then it should be burned.

That reminds me, Richard Rider, who wrote one of my favs, Stockholm Syndrome, did an mpreg Pip & Lindsay side story, just for yucks.

Wow Lisa. That news sent me searching and fortunately I found it without too much fuss. The comment is in the discussion thread of her latest live journal entry about crowd sourcing the creative process.
http://manna.livejournal.com/299907.h...

She mentioned, with her tongue firmly in her cheek, that she was ready to write the Toreth & Warrick wedding scene. LOL. But then later mentions:

That reminds me, I have a legit, one-day-I-may-even-write-this outline for a story where Warrick and Cele have a baby.

ETA: On reflection, I don't think I can imagine Dillian agreeing to have anything of Toreth's inside her, even if it's just 50% of a baby.

My brain hamster is trying processing this....

One question that was posed by Onyx in another group had to do with the scene in FATW where Toreth (view spoiler)[drugged Carnac to get information. Well, he didn't just drug him, he raped Carnac. (hide spoiler)] I really love that scene (in a dark and twisty way) and have read it many times. The funny thing is, the idea that Toreth (view spoiler)[was raping Carnac never occurred to me. When I think about it, it was technically rape. (hide spoiler)] But it was classic Toreth doing what he felt needed to be done. And to Toreth, it was just fucking. Clearly Toreth has my moral compass all messed up.

Casey, too right! Who isn't a sucker for the bad boy?

I had a friend mention that she was surprised to find herself rooting for Toreth, even when his actions were questionable. What is it about Toreth that makes us want to root for him? I would like to steer clear of the 'sociopath' topic which already has its own discussion thread.

Loederkoningin wrote: " Please go ahead. I was thinking though (yes, I was!), if we should perhaps do a combined group PM about a buddy read for either book 8 or a reread of the entire series in the new year with book 8 as the icing on the cake.. Should we create a poll to find out what everyone prefers?"

If you can put together a poll, will put together a group mail blast. We can cover the poll, promote the listopia voting as well as highlight your interview with Manna. Should be good.

Maybe I should send out a PM to the group. Chances are that people don't get updates on this thread.

Hi everyone. Sabrina gave me the excellent idea that we should try boost the Mind Fuck and The Administration positions on the mainstream Listopia lists.

Click here to vote for Mind Fuck on the Best Dystopian and Post Apocalyptic Fiction list. Last I checked it was at position 255, so you may have to scroll up the list.

It would be great to get it in the top 100. I don't expect to unseed popular favorites such as Hunger Games or classics such as 1984, but a bit of recognition for Ms. Francis's work would be nice.

Lisa wrote: " I'm still pimping..."

Welcome Lisa. As far as I am concerned, the world cannot have too many TA pimps. Glad to have you here!

Xing wrote: "I want Carnac to...fall in love. That would screw with his mind more than any physical torture. I'm probably alone in this sentiment though. *runs*"

Xing, that is brilliant. Yes, Carnac in love would be a treat.