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Oct 27, 2015 02:31AM

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Ha! That's scary...
Glad to hear you so energised Rupert. I'm abandoning promo for a while as it's completely done my head in and I want to get back to full on writing. I'll be interested to see how your real world promo tactics work out. Please keep us updated. Yes, time for some novel and creative ways ahead, I think. There has to be another way :)

It's the only way I can think of selling your book, Pretty sure this is what Shakespeare did to get popular... Not sure how he knew what you looked like.

After a year I feel the same as you. I can't be arsed contacting people essentially begging for reviews anymore. It's zapped all my creative energy and I can't see me carrying on this road in 2016. It seems to me that unless you're content spending the rest of your days hounding people for the occasional review or giving all your spare money to Goodreads this approach doesn't really work.
Something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark, though. I'm surrounded by talented indie authors who are struggling to locate readers while relatively shit books do well. I'm not opposed to relatively shit books doing well, but there comes a time when you have to ask yourself what exactly is going on.
For me personally I think one way forward is no longer relying solely on the internet. It clearly works for some things but not everything. Part of this is because Goodreads has cornered authors so they can now impose rules in order to extract money from them. Great if you've got money, shit if you don't.
So I'm having a rethink for 2016...

What's happening here is the same with Amazon colonising the book market, and authors should really be kicking off about it. They've got us all by the bollocks right now...
EDIT: this is a reply to your first message :-)





So what next? Authors having to pay a subscription fee? I wouldn't rule it out personally.
And you do right not paying for reviews, mate. I've never understood the logic to that. Same with buying Twitter followers or fake Amazon reviews. It achieves little. I can understand paying for advertising if you can afford it. I don't want to blame people for trying different things, though. I understand how annoying this game can be.


1. The book didn't interest me.
2. My plate is full.
3. I forgot in the midst of school work.
Please don't hate me.

I might join you for a guerrilla poetry and short story performance on a bus sometime.
Like Becs I've become a bit bored of the promo thing at present, but new tactics are certainly needed. Good on ya geezer.

Surely that would cut out a lot of crap. :)


1. The book didn't interest me.
2. My plate is full.
3. I forgot in the midst of school w..."
I think all any of us authors is asking for is the opportunity to be ignored without it being held against us! I don't mind at all if I don't get a reply, just implies that the person isn't interested, but I'd hate to think that that person had taken offence, dobbed me in, and then I could be branded a no good spammer and banished! So feel free to carry on ignoring all you want to Lixian - that part is completely fine!
I think maybe they've put this message out to stop the more dodgy behaviour of some authors but to apply this to everyone is unfair. Simpler for them, I guess.

Surely that would ..."
Is it right that it's still not possible to give away digital copies in a GR giveaway? I'm running one on LibraryThing at the moment. I'll report back on how it goes.


Rebecca: you got that spot on. I don't mind if people ignore me and I don't think bad of them when they do (that'd be unfair). This is more an issue with Goodreads working against authors and nothing to do with its users.
Lixian: what Rebecca said ;-)

Great idea, put down in your profile that I'll review books too.

Sure, mate. Are you wanting copies of anything?


Lixian: I've sent you an email. Let me know that you get it.
Old Timer: thanks for your input. A lot of food for thought there.
Catfood: it's a massive talking point. I'll have a read of the article and get back to you.

After a year I feel the s..."
You bring up an interesting side-point: Why do (relatively) shit books do well?
Far be it from me to scorn a writer who's beaten the odds. Yet the old question remains: Just how do some books become popular? Because conventional stories are, by definition, risk-averse. Nevertheless, from time to time, decidedly unconventional fare somehow ends up in each and every household.
When I was young, Stephen King became a multi-millionaire writing books my thoroughly conventional mother refused to touch. Today, everyone's read Game of Thrones. I have to wonder, though: Before the series, how many would give Mr. Martin the time of day (including myself)?
I think the Bandwagon Effect is stronger than we want to give it credit for. Normal people will read abnormal books if everyone else claims they're cool. I've experienced this personally:
One reader for my book said she couldn't finish because she found the main character unforgivably cruel and cold. I'd have believed this if I saw from her GR profile that she was in the habit of consuming naught but square fare. Actually, she does ... except Game of Thrones. She loves GOT and has read every one of its thousands of pages and its abundance of virtuous, lovable book boyfriends.
Whom the Bandwagon gods do not bless, they drive to drink. Cheers.

The bandwagon effect is something I've thought about quite a lot because it's occurred to me there are enough people out there who need to be told what to read so it's just a matter of finding ways to tell them.
I haven't yet read Fifty Shades of Grey but it seems like a case in point. From what I can gleam from sampling reviews it's not very good. Regardless, against all the odds, it's been a massive success. A lot of people have been outraged by the fact that it's done so well. If you go read reviews on here then you quickly get the feeling that a lot of people have taken great pleasure out of panning this book. Fair enough. They have every right to pan it. However, I may be wrong but from an indie author point of view, this could be a counter-productive approach. I say this because if Fifty Shades is god awful and has made it as an indie book, surely this gives the rest of us who have written something half decent some hope? All we need to know now is what made a book as bad as Fifty Shades blow up to be a household name? If we can find answers to that question then any of us can break through.
I could be wrong because I don't yet know all of the facts regarding Fifty Shades but I'm planning to read this book very soon as well as studying its wider context so I can try to work out what has happened. I'm going to be as fair to the book as I can because we may all learn something.

The bandwagon effect is something I've thought about quite a lot ..."
I usually hate novels featuring a novelist writing a novel, but after 2016 I think you'll have enough interesting experiences to write a novel about a novelist writing a novel about getting people to read his novels. I think you're just the one to write it too! :-D


The bandwagon effect is something I've thought about quite a lot ..."
Oh, good, I hope you share your findings, because I would love to know all that without doing the actual legwork--too much going on in my life.