Why I Am Done with Epic Fantasy

I really want to like this genre.

I feel like there is a lot of potential. I mean, who doesn't like unicorns and dragons, witches and sorcerers (that is a hard word to spell), kings and armies. It's like history...WITH MAGIC.

And therein lies the problem. They are like history with magic. Except all the cold, hard reality of history and its grim humanity is removed, and filled with nonsense and wizards with funny hats.

Very few fantasy novels -- high fantasy novels, which take place in a realm separate from our own earth -- are good.

In my limited experience, this is because they are either (a) trying to copy Tolkien or (b) trying to copy George R. R. Martin.

I think one of the books that best illustrates my point is Wizard's First Rule by Terry Goodkind. Back in college, this guy I had a crush on lent it to me, so I finished it, even though it was like 800 pages and I hated, hated, hated it. (Oh, the things we do for love.)

It has several stereotypes that are all too prevalent in fantasy these days:

-Pseudo-medieval setting. I mean, some people have done this well, but it's like a rule now. All fantasy must be in the dark ages, and people must wear shitty clothing (literally in some cases), and women must have no rights, and at least 100 pages must be spent describing a caravan's very (very!) slow passage through dangerous lands.

-The inclusion of a "Chosen One". Again, this is up for debate -- Harry Potter and The Matrix both did this well. Possibly because the characters were so reluctant to step up to the plate (although the reluctant hero trope is becoming glaringly prevalent as well). Every fantasy novel must have a hero(ine) with these super special powers, and EVERYONE must stop what they are doing and say, "OH! Look! How special this person is! THEY MUST BE THE ONE WE'RE WAITING FOR." Gee, YA THINK?



-Mary Sues. Mary Sues everywhere. So many of these books are plot driven to the point that the characters have no soul beyond what they contribute to move the plot. "Let's go to this tavern!" they might say, little knowing that frequenting this tavern is the evil bad guy who killed the MC's entire village and is going to taunt/attempt to rape/enrage the MC, and unwittingly provide them direction on their quest. Or, "Oh! Look! A SHINY OBJECT ON THE GROUND!" Will this object be the key to killing their arch-nemesis in the last book? OF COURSE.

-Info dumping is not a viable way of telling the story. I think if you go more than ten pages without a single line of dialogue, you have a problem. And yet, this is far too common in fantasy. It's exciting, creating a world (a whole neeeeew woooooorld), but you shouldn't languish in it. If you're revising your book and you feel bored, your reader is going to feel the same way, except x 100000. Show, not tell.

-Rape. One of the arguments about fantasy novels and rape is that women were totally treated like that back then! In WIZARD'S, rape is overused to the point that literally every single female character (and some males) get raped at some point in the book. There are other ways to show power. There are other ways to portray women overcoming adversity or of punishing strong women (although why would you want to?). I'm really getting sick of fantasy novels where all the bad guys are rapey perverts and all the good guys are chaste, pious virgins. Just stop.

-"The Magical Negro" stereotype. Stop using people of color as deus ex machinas. That is not representation. People try to use the same excuses for racial stereotypes that they do for rape and misogyny ("it was totally like that back then!"). Unless you are actually writing a historical fiction novel, this excuse does not work. There is no reason why your fantasy novel should be all white (unless there actually is a reason for it, and then explain that reason, by Jove!).

There's this great book called The Hero's Journey by Joseph Campbell (no relation -- at least, none that I know of) that talks about a lot of the tropes in fantasy novels & mythology. It's really impressive. I read parts of it for my college mythology class and it's amazing how pervasive some of the tropes are.

The Hero's Journey Joseph Campbell on His Life & Work (Works) by Joseph Campbell

We've all got that one shitty fantasy novel. I wrote one back in high school that I'll probably never publish because it is SO BAD. It incorporates the "chosen one" stereotype, a prophecy, mysterious objects, long pointless passages describing the characters traveling from one place to the next, Mary Sues and Marty Stus, self-insertion, random gods, insta-love, and pretty much everything that is wrong and horrible with the genre.

I guess what amazes me is how many shitty fantasy novels DO get published, and how many of them are shit. Science-fiction used to be shit, too, but at least it is evolving with the times. Fantasy hasn't really changed all that much -- it's still too white, too male, and too cliche-ridden. And that's not a good thing.
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Published on September 19, 2014 23:00 Tags: books, hmm, rants, reading
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message 1: by Yzabel (new)

Yzabel Ginsberg I confess to having such a novel in my drawers, too. When I think about it, I don't know if I must smile or weep. It had a lot of crappy tropes, not even done well enough to redeem them. Oh, the agony.

I couldn't stand Wizard's First Rule either. I lasted for 6 books--because I could borrow them from the library, and I treated them as "LOL books" (the demon-possessed chicken in one of them... WTF), but even then, after a while, I just couldn't. I must've been deseperate at the time. ^^


message 2: by Inge (new)

Inge There's a demon possessed chicken in Wizard's First Rule? Man, I missed out.


message 3: by Nenia (new)

Nenia Campbell Yzabel wrote: "I confess to having such a novel in my drawers, too. When I think about it, I don't know if I must smile or weep. It had a lot of crappy tropes, not even done well enough to redeem them. Oh, the ag..."

OMG, a demon possessed chicken? I guess that's better than the sentient chicken in Future Eden A Brief History of Next Time by Colin Thompson


message 4: by Yzabel (new)

Yzabel Ginsberg It's in book 5 or 6, can't remember anymore. (The one with the Chimes of Doom or stuff like that--not sure about their names in English, I only read the French translation at the time.)


message 5: by Inge (new)

Inge Damn, so not worth reading another 4 or 5 of those books :P


message 6: by Yzabel (new)

Yzabel Ginsberg I know. I'm just a glutton for punishment. (Also, drinking games and lulz with friends over the books, obviously. :P)


message 7: by [deleted user] (new)

Gosh, that exactly how "Throne of Glass" is.


message 8: by [deleted user] (new)

Oliver wrote: "Daenery's and her white saviour complex in Game of Thrones is also literally painful to watch.

And all the rape on that show is out of control. The writers have even added more rape scenes that we..."


Exactcly! I hated what they to Khal Drogo, he's was a gentleman to Dany when came to her first time.


Bookkitten (collector of nice things) stop complaining, do what every writer does when there´s bad writing:

DO IT BETTER. SHOW THEM HOW IT´S DONE. FIGHT LIKE A GIRL.

getthemgirl


message 10: by Zahrah (new)

Zahrah Oliver Urban- I hate to be what some call a 'book nazi' but the writers of Game of Thrones TV series really destroy my favorite book series :/ (aSoIaF)


message 11: by Nenia (new)

Nenia Campbell Crimson (Captain of the Bloody Rose) wrote: "Gosh, that exactly how "Throne of Glass" is."

Oh man, really? D:


message 12: by Nenia (new)

Nenia Campbell Oliver wrote: "Crimson (Captain of the Bloody Rose) wrote: "Oliver wrote: "Daenery's and her white saviour complex in Game of Thrones is also literally painful to watch.

And all the rape on that show is out of c..."


I agree. I found the relationship between Khal and Daeny very disturbing in the book. I know that happened in medieval times, that girls who were 13, 14, 15, were married to men 3x their age...but I still don't like it, & I think it's creepy. And I certainly don't ship it.

I think people only ship it because Jason Momoa is hot. If Khal were played by...hmm, I dunno -- Carrot Top? -- I doubt there would be so many fangirls.


message 13: by Bookkitten (collector of nice things) (last edited Sep 20, 2014 02:37PM) (new)

Bookkitten (collector of nice things) Oliver wrote:I think demon babes just became my new aesthetic tbh. Her hair is making me jealous, and she's a freaking drawing.

Purgatori, previously published by Chaos!Comics in the 90´s, now relaunched by Dynamite Entertainment.

My favourite Purgatori versions are the ones by Jim Balent and Dorian Cleavenger.


message 14: by Elizabeth (new)

Elizabeth Oliver wrote: "Crimson (Captain of the Bloody Rose) wrote: "Oliver wrote: "Daenery's and her white saviour complex in Game of Thrones is also literally painful to watch.

And all the rape on that show is out of

YES!!!! SOME ONE ELSE FINALLY UNDERSTANDS!!!!! ugh. The whole daenarys and drogo thing drives me nuts in both the books and the tv series. Their relationship is awful and I want to bang my head into a wall when people complain about the tv series rape as if he doesn't rape her multiple times in the first book. That first scene when she says "yes" has always disgusted me because it felt like drogo was soothing a new pet than an actual human being. I was willing to suspend disbelief about the whole age difference and give drogo the benefit of the doubt for only so long because of those fantasy tropes and......yeah I'm about done with the whole white man's burden thing. Booooooooring!



message 15: by Elizabeth (new)

Elizabeth I like ygritte but she's just another girl in the fridge if you ask me.


message 16: by Elizabeth (new)

Elizabeth Jennifer Fallon and Jacqueline Carey (especially Kushiel's Dart series which is a romance/epic fantasy with bdsm themes and virgin male hero with experienced heroine) write better epic fantasy as well.

I got bored with epic fantasy real quick until I started reading from female authors. Although I'd say Brandon Sanderson is pretty good. Some of his female characters could use a little work but the worlds he creates are soooo different that it is only a minor irritation. He's more actiony too. I also like Jim Butcher's Furies of Calderon but I think it's cause he made a bet where he had to write a book where he picked two worlds that are very different and put them together....so he went with pokemon and the roman empire and the Furies of Calderon was born.


message 17: by Tiger (new)

Tiger Gray Crimson (Captain of the Bloody Rose) wrote: "Oliver wrote: "Daenery's and her white saviour complex in Game of Thrones is also literally painful to watch.

And all the rape on that show is out of control. The writers have even added more rape..."


Oh seriously I hated that so much and I don't even like ASOIAF


message 18: by Tiger (new)

Tiger Gray Liz wrote: "Jennifer Fallon and Jacqueline Carey (especially Kushiel's Dart series which is a romance/epic fantasy with bdsm themes and virgin male hero with experienced heroine) write better epic fantasy as ..."

Kushiel should have been a show, not ASOIAF imo.


message 19: by Elizabeth (new)

Elizabeth Tiger wrote: "Liz wrote: "Jennifer Fallon and Jacqueline Carey (especially Kushiel's Dart series which is a romance/epic fantasy with bdsm themes and virgin male hero with experienced heroine) write better epic..."

Life would be so much better. Not only would humanity be restored but enriched as well!


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