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What could the vampires do instead of sparkle?
Uh, they burn up and die? Like they do in most vampire books.
Eva wrote: "Uh, they burn up and die? Like they do in most vampire books."I wish...but these vampires are more indestructable than that. I'm trying to find ways that they would react to sunlight that wouldn't kill them.
Tenma wrote: "Eva wrote: "Uh, they burn up and die? Like they do in most vampire books."
I wish...but these vampires are more indestructable than that. I'm trying to find ways that they would react to sunlight ..."
Why can't they be classic vampires? I love the vampires in old Anne Rice books! Sooooo much better than Twilight.
I wish...but these vampires are more indestructable than that. I'm trying to find ways that they would react to sunlight ..."
Why can't they be classic vampires? I love the vampires in old Anne Rice books! Sooooo much better than Twilight.
Yeah, I have to agree. I just wanted to see what people came up with instead of Meyer's sparkling glitter vampires.
Like most people, I think the sparkling in the sun is kind of stupid, but I also like that they're not that vulnerable either. Vampires are supposed to be these nearly indestructible creatures, and I like that Meyer made them with so few ways of being destroyed or weakened. I also like that they don't need sleep. Why do you need to recharge your energy if you're an eternal being?On the other hand, you could argue that if the sun doesn't kill them, why does fire?
I sort of like how it's treated in Rachel Caine's books - where the sun will kill them, but not right away. It just sort of saps their strength until poof. And the older the vampire, the longer it takes.
But as for the actual question, I'm not really sure. I kind of like the idea of maybe seeing the demon inside in the sunlight. Like maybe the darkness makes them appear beautiful and sort of human, but in the sunlight they become these ugly creatures.
Just my thought anyway.
Do something Meyer obviously didn't, and read Dracula (I'm pretty sure it was beyond her limited intellect). Sunlight doesn't kill vampires, it merely renders them almost powerless.I believe that it also exposes them, as they don't cast a shadow.
I think it would be kind of exciting if they blew up
Rip out Bella's throat on page one, drain her dry, and leave her a shriveled husk on the floor.
Kristen wrote: "On the other hand, you could argue that if the sun doesn't kill them, why does fire?"well, to be fair- sunlight doesn't kill me, either, but fire sure would! :)
Tenma wrote: "I've heard that Stephanie Meyer got the idea of Twilight from a dream, but I have also written a book based off a dream. And mine did not contain sparkling vampires. So, I'm wondering if anyone has..."well, I always had trouble swallowing the fact that they all looked SO non-human, but nobody ever got suspicious...so, maybe they could look normal- beautiful, but otherwise normal- outside of the sun, but their other "tells" would come out in the sunlight...?
Bill wrote: "Do something Meyer obviously didn't, and read Dracula (I'm pretty sure it was beyond her limited intellect). Sunlight doesn't kill vampires, it merely renders them almost powerless.I believe that..."
I plan to read it sometime, but that's good to know.
Kirby wrote: "to be fair- sunlight doesn't kill me, either, but fire sure would! :)"Well...if exposed to sunlight long enough, it would. ;)
well... they burn and turn into dust or they just look normal without the sun but when they are exposed to the sunlight people see that they are not normal ... i guess :/
What if there eyes turned there human forms color when they touch sun
Eva wrote: "Uh, they burn up and die? Like they do in most vampire books."
EPIC APPLAUSE!;)
EPIC APPLAUSE!;)
They could become completely transparent.
They could burst into flames. And die.
They could turn into rabid bunnies.
Michael wrote: "Rip out Bella's throat on page one, drain her dry, and leave her a shriveled husk on the floor."Ha! I would read that.
They could go all Ripper and attack anyone and everyone in sight because the need for blood is too great. Maybe somehow the sun amplifies their thirst and they lose all control.
Okay wow that's actually a good idea...don't steal it!
DIBS
DIBS
Michael wrote: "Rip out Bella's throat on page one, drain her dry, and leave her a shriveled husk on the floor."
I think I fell in love....wow
I think I fell in love....wow
What if they just feel pain. No burning, no dead. But it could be really hard because it will remind them their transformation.
Viktória wrote: "What if they just feel pain. No burning, no dead. But it could be really hard because it will remind them their transformation."
I like it;)
I like it;)
What if they would look like there human form when in sunlight
Baylor wrote: "They could turn into rabid bunnies."LOL
Eva wrote: "Uh, they burn up and die? Like they do in most vampire books."OMG, get out of my head!!
Michael wrote: "Rip out Bella's throat on page one, drain her dry, and leave her a shriveled husk on the floor."
Tenma wrote: "I've heard that Stephanie Meyer got the idea of Twilight from a dream, but I have also written a book based off a dream. And mine did not contain sparkling vampires. So, I'm wondering if anyone has an idea of what else could keep vampires away from the sun that does not sound ridiculous.What if their eyes glowed red?"
The nice thing about fictional creatures is that you can do your own thing with them, and it's just as accurate a portrayal (since they don't really exist). Personally, I like the variety in portrayals of different fantasy creatures, and I'm not sure why people complain about that. If you object to sparkling vampires, don't read about them. Simple solution and everyone is happy.
I think it would be interesting if someone did a research paper on sparkling in popular imagination, because I think part of the problem has to do with sparkling being considered "girly" and hence, weak. I don't think that was always the case. In traditional paintings of the archangel Michael (who was head of the army and Satan's main foe), he's usually portrayed as glowing, if not sparkling. He would probably be considered a standard of manliness in those times, the apex of what men could aspire to.
Portrayals of angels have gone through several incarnations. There are fat little baby angels and angels have become increasingly feminized as well. It's a bit like fairies. There are male fairies in classical literature, but I think if one were to be introduced now, the author would have to deal with the fact that the character would be starting with plenty of cultural baggage, because (of course!) it's ridiculous and demeaning for a man to be associated with things that are traditionally female.
Look at the sort of connotations and images we come up with on this board. Burning in the sun is considered less weak (in other words, less feminine) than sparkling in the sun, even though dying from sunlight is more of a weakness, obviously.
A vampire's eyes glowing red would not tie into the eyewitness accounts that claim to see vampires burn in the sun. A person who sees a vampire shot through with light and reflecting so bright that they could be burning explains the myth of burning in Meyer's universe. It's a nod to the traditional tales and a way to explain the misconception. It's a bit like the explanation in Harry Potter's second year about witch trials. It was to explain away an unflattering version of wizards and witches that Rowling didn't follow (that wizardry is in league with the Devil and actively uses magic to harm people). I don't hear anyone complaining about that change. (Can't you imagine the complaining: Wizards are supposed to be bad and powerful, and instead they are kid-friendly and bureaucratic.)
I enjoy the thought that the older a vampire gets, the more it can tolerate the sun. I think they would have weak eyes in daylight, and not be as gracefully murderous. They are children of the night. Shadow is their friend and they will learn to use it well.I also imagine vampires will be wily and careful. You can't live thousands of years without being cautious to a certain degree.
The problem with vampire lore is that it is centuries old. For hundreds of years, vampires have had the same characteristics. No daylight, can't cross running water, sleep in the day, can't come in unless invited, can be staked, must remove the head, third bite infects their victim (or draining them and making them ingest the vampire's blood), no reflection, no shadow...etc. When you start creating new lore, it is very important that it is plausible and believable.
I cannot ever feel frightened of a vampire who sparkles in the sun. It's against all the years of lore that has been presented. However, in Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter, the vampires, after hundreds of years, could build a tolerance to daylight, but had to wear sunglasses as the eyes were weak in the sun. This is plausible and much more credible, to me.
So, whatever you do with your vampires, explain it well and don't go way out on a limb. Glowing eyes is a movie stunt, but I would believe that after drinking a victim, color would come into the cheeks, veins, and even the vessels of the eyes as the blood courses through the vampire, giving a red appearance that would fade over x amount of time.
Just be plausible and credible and have it be explainable in a logical way. Good luck!
Michael wrote: "Rip out Bella's throat on page one, drain her dry, and leave her a shriveled husk on the floor."
Yep.
Annie wrote: "I think it would be kind of exciting if they blew up"
I agree.
Yep.
Annie wrote: "I think it would be kind of exciting if they blew up"
I agree.
Mickey wrote: "Tenma wrote: "I've heard that Stephanie Meyer got the idea of Twilight from a dream, but I have also written a book based off a dream. And mine did not contain sparkling vampires. So, I'm wondering..."Very well said (like all your posts!). I like your thoughts on the "sparkling" looking like being on fire, a nod to the other vampire myths. Other vampire books have taken liberties but don't seem as attacked as Twilight. I thought House of Night had some different ideas about vampires (tattoos spontaneously happening, vampirism is a genetic/disease not typical bite-induced transformation). Also, I don't think House of Nigh vampires burn up in the sun either? Just feel pain? Think about some of the different things about vampires that have come up in the Sookie Stackhouse series. Those vampires are nothing like Dracula either. It seems like a lot of people feel like Anne Rice and Dracula are the gold standard of vampires - the "real" vampires.
Annie wrote: "I think it would be kind of exciting if they blew up"I've seen that in True Blood. Not very nice thing to look at...
I like the idea, that sun makes the vampire weaker and when it gets too much he bursts into flames because he's too droughty. Like when you're stuck in Sahara without water. When he drinks blood he gets some energy back, but unless he gets inside and drink what he lost, he'll burn.
Tenma wrote: "I've heard that Stephanie Meyer got the idea of Twilight from a dream, but I have also written a book based off a dream. And mine did not contain sparkling vampires. So, I'm wondering if anyone has..."hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,, this is helirious. i like this discussion. and i gotta a good feeling i'd like you tenma if we met. anyway, i agree. it's really ridiculous! but i really can't come up with a good alternative. this vampire thing is not my thing anymore ;)
Mickey wrote: "Tenma wrote: "I've heard that Stephanie Meyer got the idea of Twilight from a dream, but I have also written a book based off a dream. And mine did not contain sparkling vampires. So, I'm wondering..."Good points. And I think there's alot to that idea about the sparkling having a girly connotation. But I also think alot of it's coming in the portrayal of it in the movie. When I read it, I just sort of accepted it - pictured it as Bella describes of him looking as if his skin was made of diamonds in the sunlight. Which makes sense if his skin is basically supposed to be as hard as a diamond.
It wasn't until the cheesiness of seeing it portrayed in the movie that I really went, ok this is stupid.
Although, it did get better after the first one....
And that's very true about Harry Potter. How come no one's complaining that the witches/wizards aren't the stereotypical kind?
I'm with you. I like that they can change according to each different author's imagination.
After all, it's all fantasy anyway. There are no 'real' vampires. lol
Katrina wrote: "Michael wrote: "Rip out Bella's throat on page one, drain her dry, and leave her a shriveled husk on the floor."
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AWESOME!!!!GIVE IT UP FOR THAT GENIUS!!!
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AWESOME!!!!GIVE IT UP FOR THAT GENIUS!!!
Exactly! I don't like Bella, anyways. And I do wish that the vampires would at least glow. It really did look cheesy in the movie.
Kirby wrote: "Kristen wrote: "On the other hand, you could argue that if the sun doesn't kill them, why does fire?"well, to be fair- sunlight doesn't kill me, either, but fire sure would! :)"
Very true
Maybe they would turn human, or like slowy age however many years they had actually been alive for.
They could shatter. or turn into lava or , turn into a bubble. or instead of sparkle they could glitter.
Jeni wrote: "The problem with vampire lore is that it is centuries old. For hundreds of years, vampires have had the same characteristics. No daylight, can't cross running water, sleep in the day, can't come in unless invited, can be staked, must remove the head, third bite infects their victim (or draining them and making them ingest the vampire's blood), no reflection, no shadow...etc. When you start creating new lore, it is very important that it is plausible and believable."I don't think that there has ever been an iron-clad, standard set of vampire characteristics. If you look online, you'll see all sorts of traditional variations on the vampire.
Mickey wrote: "I don't think that there has ever been an iron-clad, standard set of vampire characteristics. If you look online, you'll see all sorts of traditional variations on the vampire."Good point. I'm not really saying they are iron-clad, per se...just well-known rules that have survived for centuries. In the 1800s, people would be assigned to sit on their loved ones' graves for three days and nights with a wooden stake to kill them again if they rose. It's been in our lore for so long (admittedly with many variations), it's just my opinion that disregarding hundreds of years worth of lore is dangerous when writing about something as well-known as vampires.
I like it when things get shaken up a bit, a new spin on the tradition, but when you step completely away from it (as a writer) I, as your reader, suffer a bit of a shock and inability to accept that reality you are writing about.
As an avid reader, I would rather see a vampire story that bends the rules, gives me viable options to the character that are very plausible based on what we have been told for so long than have a new breed of vampire, hitherto unknown to mankind with superpowers and glowy eyes and that can walk in the daylight. It goes against everything we know about vamps.
If that's the vamp you want, though, okay-convince me with natural disasters, radiation, evolution, aliens, whatever--just give me a good reason besides a dream and I'm on board.
Apart from the blood sucking and the eternal youth they have no specific vampire characteristics, so I can't acknowledge them as vampires.
There are many supernatural creatures in books and films with super strength, speed and senses.
I think from all their abilities the sparkling in the sun doesn't make them vampires and is the weirdest ability because you can't take them seriously. They are living disco balls. And also it makes no sense.
There are many supernatural creatures in books and films with super strength, speed and senses.
I think from all their abilities the sparkling in the sun doesn't make them vampires and is the weirdest ability because you can't take them seriously. They are living disco balls. And also it makes no sense.
I like the way it was handled in The Light at the End: all of the putrefaction that the body normally would have gone through had it died naturally catches up to it, and it literally rots away in a matter of minutes.Another book where the sun has no effect: The Hunger. Instead, vampires need to Sleep for several hours a day, or their aging catches up to them.
ok i did read the twilight books and liked them b4 the movie ruined it i really understand why the vampires sparkle in that series why not make the vampires have extreme discomfort in the sun that sounds better to me
I think it just doesn't make any sense if vampires are not vulnerable to anything. Think about it: if they don't die with the sunlight and don't need to sleep, why the hell do they need to hide their existence from human beings? They could just rule the world. lol They have to be vulnerable, somehow, otherwise just don't have them hide who they are.
i thought the sparkeling was rather stupid only because im obsessed with Vampires, grew up reading Anne rice so to me yes they should burn up and turn to ash and die. But for her to make them sparkle i kinda like the idea that she came up with something new something of her own lets face it thats a stephanie meyers trademark now lol
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