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Karen’s Library | 11320 comments Mod
Jenny wrote: "Tracy wrote: "I got The City by Dean Koontz from Netgally and I'm so excited!"

Me too!!!!"


Me three!! :)


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Karen’s Library | 11320 comments Mod
Just finished my reread of Days of Blood & Starlight (Daughter of Smoke & Bone, #2) by Laini Taylor . The ending! OMG!!

Now starting the novella Night of Cake & Puppets (Daughter of Smoke & Bone, #2.5) by Laini Taylor . I think it's about Zuzana, whom I adore!

Also reading The Lady of the Rivers (The Cousins' War, #3) by Philippa Gregory in hardback, and listening to the audios of Cruel Beauty by Rosamund Hodge and I Am the Messenger by Markus Zusak .


message 7753: by David, Mr. Blue Eyes; He's the Best--Ain't no lie!! ;) (new)

David Estes (davidestesbooks) | 10717 comments Mod
Tracy wrote: "I got The City by Dean Koontz from Netgally and I'm so excited!"

Lucky ducks!


message 7754: by Karen’s Library (new)

Karen’s Library | 11320 comments Mod
David wrote: "Tracy wrote: "I got The City by Dean Koontz from Netgally and I'm so excited!"

Lucky ducks!"


*waggles eyebrows and quacks* ;)


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Jenny (juliababyjen) | 12932 comments Mod
Katie.g wrote: "Jenny wrote: "FINALLY started Days of Blood & Starlight (Daughter of Smoke & Bone, #2) by Laini Taylor and really good so far!"

I love that series Jenny! Great choice :)"


Thanks! Loving it so far!


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Tracy | 823 comments Jenny wrote: "Tracy wrote: "I got The City by Dean Koontz from Netgally and I'm so excited!"

Me too!!!!"


Whoohoo Jenny.


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Tracy | 823 comments Karen wrote: "Jenny wrote: "Tracy wrote: "I got The City by Dean Koontz from Netgally and I'm so excited!"

Me too!!!!"

Me three!! :)"


Cool Karen!


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Tracy | 823 comments David wrote: "Tracy wrote: "I got The City by Dean Koontz from Netgally and I'm so excited!"

Lucky ducks!"


Love Koontz


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Ruby Blue (Ruby Blue, #1) by Julie Cassar
started this today really linking it.


message 7760: by Heather (new)

Heather The Longest Ride by Nicholas Sparks 203 pages in and loving it!


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Kritika (spidersilksnowflakes) I'm reading Eleanor & Park by Rainbow Rowell . I heard it was really good and adorable, and I see how some parts are cute, but it's a lot darker than what I was expecting. I'm about half-way through, and it doesn't seem like this is going to end happily :/


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Kritika wrote: "I'm reading Eleanor & Park by Rainbow Rowell. I heard it was really good and adorable, and I see how some parts are cute, but it's a lot darker than what I was expecting. I'm about half-way thro..."

I tried reading it but it was too dark for me.


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Jenny (juliababyjen) | 12932 comments Mod
Its definitely not a light read! I LOVED it! To me its a cross between Katie McGarry and Stephanie Perkins. Not quite as dark as Katie's books, but it is edgy and a little deep, but still has that cute and fun charm of Stephanie's books :)


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Kritika (spidersilksnowflakes) Jenny wrote: "Its definitely not a light read! I LOVED it! To me its a cross between Katie McGarry and Stephanie Perkins. Not quite as dark as Katie's books, but it is edgy and a little deep, but still has th..."

I think I might have liked it better if I'd read it when I was in the mood for darker stuff. I wanted something fluffy and this was unexpectedly...not. I am still enjoying it though!


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Heidi | 2372 comments E&P is not light and fluffy. Luckily I saw a few friends reviews stating that before I gave it a read. I loved it.


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i'm reading Mr. Mercedes by Stephen King


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Alison Morquecho (thebookishcamper) | 787 comments still reading cohf it is so long and really big. I thought I'd be farther then I am, but im only half way done. I wanna read tfios before I go see it next Thursday


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Alison Morquecho (thebookishcamper) | 787 comments well reread it :)


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S. Smith | 8 comments I'm reading Ender's Game and enjoying it so far.


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Daniel (pickyreader1) | 1925 comments Reading Raging Star (Dust Lands, #3) by Moira Young and finding it very hard to get into.


message 7772: by Jenny, Always smiling! :-D (new)

Jenny (juliababyjen) | 12932 comments Mod
Has everyone read the infamous "Slate Against YA" article yet? It was posted today, and I'm starting to see it everywhere on the blogosphere and Facebook. Basically, this women's says that any adult that reads YA should feel shameful. Its pretty atrocious.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/bo...

Here is one rebuttal from a writer/blogger:
https://wordwhiskey.wordpress.com/201...


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Tommy Hancock (tommyhancock) | 957 comments Jenny wrote: "Has everyone read the infamous "Slate Against YA" article yet? It was posted today, and I'm starting to see it everywhere on the blogosphere and Facebook. Basically, this women's says that any adult that reads YA should feel shameful. Its pretty atrocious.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/bo...

Here is one rebuttal from a writer/blogger:
https://wordwhiskey.wordpress.com/201... "


My thoughts on both articles can be summed up in one gesture: *shrug*

I don't personally agree with her opinion or article, but am fine with her having it/writing about it. I believe she's wrong. As an adult a decade removed from the YA target audience(albeit just baaaarely). I've read enough adult and YA books, and I feel I get the same general lessons/benefits from reading both. I have more fun reading YA. And those teen years are so formative, it's just fun to read it.

In short: Nicely written articles, whether I agree or not. Now I'm gonna go back to reading whatever the fudge I want, shame free :)


message 7774: by Jenny, Always smiling! :-D (new)

Jenny (juliababyjen) | 12932 comments Mod
As you should, Tommy! I don't really care if SHE doesn't like YA, oh well, her loss...I just didn't like her snobbish attitude alluding to all the other adults who do read YA as being idiots.

And actually, in my experience, children's books can be way deeper than a lot of adult books.


message 7775: by Karen’s Library (last edited Jun 05, 2014 09:35PM) (new)

Karen’s Library | 11320 comments Mod
Jenny wrote: "Has everyone read the infamous "Slate Against YA" article yet? It was posted today, and I'm starting to see it everywhere on the blogosphere and Facebook. Basically, this women's says that any ad..."

Wow, how rude!! Well done by the rebuttal!


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Daniel (pickyreader1) | 1925 comments Soo..,
First of all, she claims that 55% of all YA book buyers are adults.
Have you maybe thought that parents ever buy books for their kids?
"Divergent is transparently trashy." You're transparently trashy.
"Divergent is not serious literature." Who says adults have to read serious literature all the time?
"I thought, Hmm, that’s a nicely written book for 13-year-olds. If I’m being honest, it also left me saying “Oh, brother” out loud more than once. Does this make me heartless? Or does it make me a grown-up?" Umm, WHAT?!
"But if they are substituting maudlin teen dramas for the complexity of great adult literature, then they are missing something." Nobody said that adults are SUBSTITUTING "great adult literature" for YA; why can't adults enjoy both?
If you can't get anything meaningful out of these novels, don't f***ing read them (excuse my language). That's your loss. But don't tell others that they're idiots for liking books you don't like; that's immature, ignorant, snobbish, and quite frankly stupid.
Terrible post, just trying to garner attention.


message 7777: by Karen’s Library (new)

Karen’s Library | 11320 comments Mod
Daniel wrote: "Soo..,
First of all, she claims that 55% of all YA book buyers are adults.
Have you maybe thought that parents ever buy books for their kids?
"Divergent is transparently trashy." You're transparen..."


Bwahahaha!! This was brilliant!


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Daniel (pickyreader1) | 1925 comments lol Karen, thanks.
That was what I would classify as a trainwreck post. I just started and kept rambling. I eventually had to stop to preserve any sense of decency.


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Alison Morquecho (thebookishcamper) | 787 comments @jenny, wow, thats crazy. I'm 27 and I will always love reading ya. its the only genre I read. the rebuttal was very good. thanks for sharing that article. I can't believe that someone would even wrote an article like that.


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Alison Morquecho (thebookishcamper) | 787 comments ergg really, divergent trashy... cmon now, I bet she hasn't even read it. and how dare she bash tfios!!!


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Alison Morquecho (thebookishcamper) | 787 comments lol Daniel that was brilliant, I agree!!


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Divya Daniel wrote: "Soo..,
First of all, she claims that 55% of all YA book buyers are adults.
Have you maybe thought that parents ever buy books for their kids?
"Divergent is transparently trashy." You're transparen..."


Wow, Daniel!!!!


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Daniel (pickyreader1) | 1925 comments Erm, if I offended anyone with that post, just message me and I'll put it down.
I might have gotten a bit out of hand. he he...


message 7784: by kynndra-jo (last edited Jun 05, 2014 10:11PM) (new)

kynndra-jo (charlietanghoe) That article is quite sad. I actually feel bad for the poor woman who is missing out on all the brilliant and beautiful stories she'll be writing off as YA trash; However, I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinions. But she had no right to essentially call every adult who reads and enjoys YA idiotic.

Hmm, calling Divergent and Twilight trashy is quite uncalled for as well to be honest. Both series were overall successes despite the hate that Twilight receives I didn't find it half bad. Although, again she had a right to her opinion but she shouldn't have made it seem like anyone who's over 18 who reads YA is inferior to other adults who read more mature novels.

I just don't understand how someone could see it that way - it's about as bad as judging a book by its cover. You all are a majority of adults and you seem quite intelligent and lovely as a whole. Bah! Read what you want, she can think as she pleases - I'll assure you, I'm almost positive her view is minimal against the MILLIONS of adults who read YA novels daily.


message 7785: by Jenny, Always smiling! :-D (new)

Jenny (juliababyjen) | 12932 comments Mod
I liked your post Daniel :) I thought you made some sound points!


message 7786: by Karen’s Library (new)

Karen’s Library | 11320 comments Mod
Kynndra wrote: "That article is quite sad. I actually feel bad for the poor woman who is missing out on all the brilliant and beautiful stories she'll be writing off as YA trash; However, I suppose everyone is ent..."

Well said, Kynndra!


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kynndra-jo (charlietanghoe) Thanks Karen!

And lmao, Daniel. I can understand your agitation towards the article.


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Tommy Hancock (tommyhancock) | 957 comments Jenny wrote: "As you should, Tommy! I don't really care if SHE doesn't like YA, oh well, her loss...I just didn't like her snobbish attitude alluding to all the other adults who do read YA as being idiots.

And actually, in my experience, children's books can be way deeper than a lot of adult books."


Oh, yeah, she's definitely wrong by simply trashing other people's love. There are things I don't like, so I don't partake. And in my opinion, that's as far as it should go.

I think maybe I just don't mind it because my reading preferences/music preferences have always been mocked. I read the twilight books in my twenties, partly while sitting alone in a park and went to three Nsync(or as I call them, *//\\//SYNC) concerts while in high school. So, to me, this just feels like someone else who can't understand why I'd love something I love. It's annoying, but just doesn't bug me beyond "meh".

Personally, I focus on the good in things whenever possible. Even if I don't like it. Twilight, for example, pretty widely mocked. But, TONS of people loved it. More people are reading books directly because of Twilight. Lots of young people read the books and decided to try writing themselves. To me, those facts alone make it worthy as a series. Does someone love it? If yes, I'm glad it exists.


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Tommy Hancock (tommyhancock) | 957 comments Jenny wrote: "And actually, in my experience, children's books can be way deeper than a lot of adult books.
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Oh, and I agree with this, also. A lot of adult books, I feel, don't need to "teach a lesson". They're written for an audience that is widely fully developed(or at least that believes to be so).

As a whole though, I don't believe one is deeper than the other. I think it depends heavily on the individual books.

Ultimately, I don't read for knowledge, or to escape. I read for entertainment. Same reason I watch TV or a movie. And YA, for me, is more entertaining, so it gets the bulk of my attention.


message 7790: by kynndra-jo (new)

kynndra-jo (charlietanghoe) I agree, Tommy. I always have to ask myself why people have to bash and hate on things (books, clothes, games, shows, whatever) that people love. Sure, you may not have been a fan of Twilight but just because YOU don't like it doesn't make it TRASH. I don't mean you you I just mean in general for anyone who bashes on other things that another individual loves or cherishes. It just never made sense to me. People spend so much time brandishing hate towards such senseless things.


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Tommy Hancock (tommyhancock) | 957 comments Kynndra wrote: "I agree, Tommy. I always have to ask myself why people have to bash and hate on things (books, clothes, games, shows, whatever) that people love. Sure, you may not have been a fan of Twilight but just because YOU don't like it doesn't make it TRASH. I don't mean you you I just mean in general for anyone who bashes on other things that another individual loves or cherishes. It just never made sense to me. People spend so much time brandishing hate towards such senseless things. "

Yep. It confuses people when asked, say, "Do you like Muse?" and I answer "I don't like them, but I think they're really good". That honestly makes very little sense to people. That I can see why people love something I don't care for haha.

For me(and seemingly everyone I've associated in this group), I never got bashing. Why would you talk about how bad something you don't like "sucks", rather than talking about how great something you love is?

And if that's the way of thinking YA novels instill in people, I vote read 'em!


message 7792: by Zoe (last edited Jun 06, 2014 12:32AM) (new)

Zoe Cannon (zoecannon) *sigh* Why do people think that anything aimed at adults is automatically deeper and more worthy of attention? I could point to many novels, both YA and adult, that contradict that theory.

I did have to laugh as she talked about the virtues of literary fiction and then mentioned Dickens as an example. Dickens was considered a hack in his time. He wrote for the masses. He was paid by the word (which explains some things). The only reason lit-snobs consider his books worthy of attention now is that he wrote them 200 years ago.

Also, as a YA author, I don't write "for children." I write for readers who love the YA genre, whatever their ages.


message 7793: by Katie.g (new)

Katie.g Wow. Why is this woman under the impression that all adults who read ya, read only ya. YA makes up about half of what I read and the rest is fantasy, new adult, historical, thriller or whatever takes my fancy. Perhaps if she's only read Twilight and Divergent she hasn't experienced the best of what ya has to offer. I personally hate the Mortal Instruments series but I wouldn't condone anyone for reading it and it also has been a great success, so clearly its just not for me. This woman needs a life.


message 7794: by Katie.g (new)

Katie.g Oh ok. Seems like she's read more than just two but I don't appreciate somone telling us what we should like.


message 7795: by Heidi (new)

Heidi | 2372 comments I am 42 and love YA. I was not a fan of Divergent or Twilight myself but there are so many other lovely well written YA books out there that I can not see how one could lump all YA books into one group. I mean how can one not read the The Book Thief and think it is a masterpiece? Perhaps I should offer the article's author a list of books that fit under the title "YA for people who think that YA is juvenile" I wonder if John Green has read that article. He is never shy about speaking up maybe he will say something!


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Just finished Enlightened by A.L. Waddington
love it :D


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Heather (hersecretsmile) | 290 comments Heidi *Listen. I'll just keep talking anyway. * wrote: "I am 42 and love YA. I was not a fan of Divergent or Twilight myself but there are so many other lovely well written YA books out there that I can not see how one could lump all YA books into one ..."

I was curious about the same thing so I checked out twitter and there is #PromoteYAInstead is going around. Authors like Beth Revis, Lauren DeStefano (who I had a feeling would have a reaction to it as she's always been pretty vocal about anti-YA feelings), Patrick Ness, Kami Garcia, Marie Lu & Leigh Bardugo to just name a few have responded to it.


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Lauren Stoolfire | 2047 comments I'm just starting Alienated (Alienated, #1) by Melissa Landers .


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Brooke  (brookeluvsbooks) Chelsea wrote: "I am currently reading Etiquette & Espionage (Finishing School, #1) by Gail Carriger"

I'm reading that also how do you like it so far?


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Jenny (juliababyjen) | 12932 comments Mod
Lauren wrote: "I'm just starting Alienated (Alienated, #1) by Melissa Landers."

I'm in the middle of this one. Good so far, not great or anything, but its been a pretty quick read!


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