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Tionne | 255 comments :-)


message 352: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments LOL - Not!

:)


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You mods have become quite intimidating all of the sudden. That big brown bar is scary.;)


message 354: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Don't know where that come from Derek but you know we don't bite :)


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Geevee | 3812 comments I'd rather be without it Derek it just appeared one day :(


message 356: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments In the U.S. there has been considerable media attention to the success of the recent live TV broadcast of ‘The Sound of Music.” The broadcast drew over 18 million viewers to the musical version of the later life of Georg von Trapp and his family. Long before the time depicted in the musical, von Trapp was a successful commander of U-boats for the Austro-Hungarian navy in World War I. His personal account of his days as a U-boat commander is well-written and offers a fascinating glimpse into a little-known aspect of the war.

To the Last Salute Memories of an Austrian U-Boat Commander by Georg von Trapp To the Last Salute by Georg von Trapp.

You may be familiar with the first-rate series of historical novels by John Biggins about the fictional Austro-Hungarian naval officer, Otto Prohaska. Biggins relies heavily on von Trapp’s memoirs for those portions of his novels dealing with U-boat ops in the Adriatic and Med. Biggins’ books are captivating and funny.

The Two-Headed Eagle In Which Otto Prohaska Takes a Break as the Habsburg Empire's Leading U-Boat Ace and Does Something by John Biggins The Two-Headed Eagle.

Emperor's Coloured Coat by John Biggins The Emperor's Coloured Coat.

A Sailor of Austria In Which, Without Really Intending To, Otto Prohaska Becomes Official War Hero No. 27 of the Habsbur by John Biggins A Sailor of Austria.

Tomorrow the World In which Cadet Otto Prohaska Carries the Habsburg Empire's Civilizing Mission to the Entirely Unrece (The Otto Prohaska Novels) by John Biggins Tomorrow the World.

I recommend them all.


message 357: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments I enjoyed Mr Biggins' books some years ago and readily second Manray9's recommendation.


message 358: by happy (last edited Dec 24, 2013 06:40PM) (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments I would like to wish a Merry Christmas everyone who frequents this little corner of the internet - may you recieve all the books on your wish list!


message 359: by Charles (new)

Charles | 110 comments Merry Christmas all!

In other news, Mikhail Kalashnikov's died:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-...


message 360: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Best wishes to all members and hopefully you are where you want to be with your friends and relations.


message 361: by Manray9 (last edited Dec 24, 2013 12:35PM) (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Geevee wrote: "Best wishes to all members and hopefully you are where you want to be with your friends and relations."

Best wishes to you and yours too. One year ago my son was at FOB Hadrian in Uruzgan, Afghanistan. Now he is safe at Ft. Stewart, Georgia. It has been a good year for us. Maybe next Christmas, all the troops will be home -- making 2014 an even better year for many.


message 362: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments That is nice you have your son home, and something as a service family that won't be lost on you how precious that time is- sadly a Royal Engineer was killed by enemy fire on Monday :(


message 363: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments That's sad news Geevee.


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'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Christmas Day 'down under', just about to wake the family and see what Santa has left :)

Merry Christmas to all the group members, may you all have a lovely day with family & friends.


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Liam (dimestoreliam) | 498 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Christmas Day 'down under', just about to wake the family and see what Santa has left :)

Merry Christmas to all the group members, may you all have a lovely day with family & friends."




Yes, Merry Christmas everyone! Not for the first time, I am in full agreement with Aussie Rick. As many of you are aware, I have been mostly absent from the various discussions here for some time, for reasons which are no doubt fairly obvious. Hopefully, as the new year unfolds, I will again have more time to enjoy our amazing Goodreads community... Until then, best wishes to all of you & yours!


message 366: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Hi Liam, I hope you have a great day and your renovations are going well, take care and all the best for 2014!


message 367: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Liam wrote: "'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Christmas Day 'down under', just about to wake the family and see what Santa has left :)

Merry Christmas to all the group members, may you all have a lovely day with family &..."


Good to hear from you Liam and check in again soon.


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Lilo (liloh-p) | 586 comments MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of you. -- It is 6:30 p.m. here in Utah, and I'll leave the computer now to celebrate Christmas Eve.


message 369: by Boudewijn (new)

Boudewijn (boudalok) | 403 comments Hi everybody, from the Netherlands, I wish everybody a merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!


message 370: by happy (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments Liam

Good to hear from you and all the best for the new year!


message 371: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Hi Bou, Merry Christmas and all the best for 2014!


message 372: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3645 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Hi Bou, Merry Christmas and all the best for 2014!"

Merry Christmas to all and may you have wonderful times with the family and friends (and maybe a good book or two under the tree) .


message 373: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Another rewarding aspect of Goodreads is better tracking of past reading. Until I joined, I didn't realize I read so much. The book started this evening, Richard Holmes' "Redcoat," won't be finished by Jan. 1st, so my total for 2013 looks like it will be 73 books read.


message 374: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments That's a good result Manray9 and Redcoat by Richard Holmes is an excellent book to finish the year off with!


message 375: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "That's a good result Manray9 and Redcoat by Richard Holmes is an excellent book to finish the year off with!"

I had 71 last year -- my first full year in GR.

I much enjoyed Richard Holmes'--

Riding the Retreat Mons to the Marne 1914 Revisited by Richard Holmes Riding the Retreat

Sahib The British Soldier in India 1750-1914 by Richard Holmes Sahib: The British Soldier in India


message 376: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Read the second book but not the first although I recently acquired a copy :)


message 377: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Read the second book but not the first although I recently acquired a copy :)"

Related to "Sahib," did Aussies serve in India other than during WW I or WW II?


message 378: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Not that I am aware, never as a contingent as such but maybe a few as individuals within British regiments that were stationed in Australia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial...

We sent some to the Sudan in the 1880's

http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/sudan.asp


message 379: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Not that I am aware, never as a contingent as such but maybe a few as individuals within British regiments that were stationed in Australia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial......"


Interesting. I knew about the Boer War (I've seen "Breaker Morant"), but not the Sudan.

I noted your comment from another group about Jomini. He was very influential in American military circles prior to our Civil War. Any formally-trained officer, either Confederate or Federal, would have read Jomini's works.


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'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments We also had troops with the relief forces in the Boxer Rebellion (navy gunners I think).

I have read about Jomini but not read his book as such, if I can find a cheap copy I may grab it for my library.


message 381: by Boudewijn (new)

Boudewijn (boudalok) | 403 comments I know some off you are interested in Napoleon as well, so I would like to share you an interesting discussion on Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians...


message 382: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Thanks for the link Bou, I will have to take some time to sit back and read all the posts!


message 383: by Lilo (new)

Lilo (liloh-p) | 586 comments HAPPY NEW YEAR, guys. Don't get too drunk. :-)


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carl  theaker | 1560 comments Define 'too'.


message 385: by happy (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments Happy New Year to all :)


message 386: by Lilo (last edited Dec 31, 2013 03:44PM) (new)

Lilo (liloh-p) | 586 comments carl wrote: "Define 'too'."

As long as you still know your name, recognize your wife, can stand straight, and don't strip naked in public, you should be o.k. "Too" is beyond this. :-)

P.S. You might also want try to avoid telling dirty jokes to your boss's wife.


message 387: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3645 comments Yes, that is a good definition of "too"!


message 388: by carl (new)

carl  theaker | 1560 comments ok i managed not to 'too', though
it wasn't as much fun.


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Manray9 | 4800 comments I just watched the PBS Nova program about zeppelins and the terror raids on England in WW I. It was very interesting. In the U.S. it will be broadcast several more times over the next week or so.


message 390: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Sounds like a interesting documentary, I've read a few good books on the subject and I think I have one more waiting for me in the library :)


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carl  theaker | 1560 comments Manray9 wrote: "I just watched the PBS Nova program about zeppelins and the terror raids on England in WW I. It was very interesting. In the U.S. it will be broadcast several more times over the next week or so."

does look good, got it on the DVR.


message 392: by Manray9 (last edited Jan 17, 2014 01:34PM) (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments I notice some of our group, like me, have flagged as TBR:

July 1914 Countdown to War by Sean McMeekin July 1914: Countdown to War by Sean McMeeking

The newest issue of NY Review of Books has a laudatory review (I think you can read this without subscription):

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archi...


message 393: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Thanks Manray9.


message 394: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20091 comments Thanks Manray9, that's an excellent review of books of which I have these to read: The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914 by Margaret MacMillan, July 1914: Countdown to War by Sean McMeekin, and; The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914 by Christopher Clark. I have to read one of these next month but I have no idea which one to start with!


message 395: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments I have decided that I will read something like these in August and then one in October/November to coincide with the early Western Front campaign prior to trench warfare setting in. Nominations for the second or people buddying up for either will be very welcome too.


message 396: by Gerald (last edited Jan 19, 2014 10:00AM) (new)

Gerald Churchill | 435 comments Geevee wrote: "I have decided that I will read something like these in August and then one in October/November to coincide with the early Western Front campaign prior to trench warfare setting in. Nominations fo..."

I will read Max Hastings's "Catastrophe 1914: Europe Goes to War" and Scott Anderson's "Lawrence in Arabia: War, Deceit, Imperial Folly, and the Making of the Modern Middle East" to commemorate the First World War--or at least its beginning.


message 397: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Thanks Gerald and that's my plans (to commemorate the start) and we be joined by some other group members and have a break-out theme read perhaps?

Have you read Hero The Life and Legend of Lawrence of Arabia by Michael Korda Hero: The Life and Legend of Lawrence of Arabia by Michael Korda? It has some good reviews and one I've thought of reading.


message 398: by Gerald (new)

Gerald Churchill | 435 comments Geevee wrote: "Thanks Gerald and that's my plans (to commemorate the start) and we be joined by some other group members and have a break-out theme read perhaps?

Have you read [bookcover:Hero: The Life and Legen..."


I have not read Korda's book, but my friendly neighborhood secondhand bookshop has it.;-)


message 399: by Tionne (new)

Tionne | 255 comments I'm down. When is good for everyone? I've got one book that I MUST read, but I can bump Hero up on the list. I've been meaning to read it for ages.


message 400: by Manray9 (last edited Jan 19, 2014 09:42AM) (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments There has been much media coverage in the U.S. (often misleading) about former Defense Secretary Robert Gates' memoir:

Duty Memoirs of a Secretary at War by Robert M. Gates Duty by Robert M. Gates.

Here is an excellent review from today's NY Times by Tom Ricks, author of:

Fiasco by Thomas E. Ricks Fiasco

The Generals American Military Command from World War II to Today by Thomas E. Ricks The Generals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/boo...

Ricks' review is the best so-far. I read his "Best Defense" blog almost every day. On the blog, a comment he made about Gates' book rang so true to me: The problem with generals -- "In war, boldness, adaptability, creativity, sometimes ignoring the rules, risk taking, and ruthlessness are essential for success. These are not characteristics that will get an officer very far in peacetime."

I saw this first-hand. Officers who advanced to high rank in the navy were usually those who best navigated a desk around the Pentagon.


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