Point of View beginning

[Randy]

A post in an Amazon forum about Point of View got me to thinking about the various POVs I've used in my works and I thought it might be interesting to discuss some of them and why and what I learned from doing them. My recent blog post is a quick summary: http://www.randyattwood.blogspot.com/

[Katy]

Very interesting stuff. I only joined this one 'cause it was you, Randy - won't have much time to take part, I'm afraid.

[Randy]

Katy, Hope you'll pop in from time to time because you are the one expert on my work (other than myself, lol).

[Katy]

Good Goddess, I just noticed that I am the only reviewer on most of your works on Amazon O.o Only 6 had other reviewers, and of those, two had only one other reviewer! We need to do something about that. I also haven't read eFiction yet; need to do that... :-)

[Randy]

Thanks, Katy. I do seem to have stalled lately.

[Katy]

Randy wrote: "Thanks, Katy. I do seem to have stalled lately."

Not your fault. *sigh* Amazon and its policies scare people who haven't read them closely, so a lot of people have stopped posting reviews there, thinking that if they do they can't post their reviews elsewhere. This is a misconception - Amazon can only request exclusivity on reviews that come from books they have provided gratis to the reviewer, and the reviewer can still post their review to any "independent" site that has either no links for purchase, or links only to Amazon (i.e., private blogs, Shelfari).

[Randy]

I didn't realize Amazon did that.

[Vered]

Yeah, Amazon can be scary! Elise lost some of her reviews because they were posted by family members or other authors (?). I haven't read your post yet, Randy, but will do.

[Katy]

Vered wrote: "Yeah, Amazon can be scary! Elise lost some of her reviews because they were posted by family members or other authors (?). I haven't read your post yet, Randy, but will do."

I imagine if there are disclosures, like I've been putting onto mine lately, they would be less likely to remove them. But I'm not sure - who knows what they are wont to do. Which is why I'm glad I now have my blog to add my reviews there as well :-)

[Joan]

Thank you for inviting me to your group, Randy. Lovin' your blog.
Interestingly enough, I have two WIP; both in first person POV. Although one has alter personalities in it...hmmmm just thought of that. Yes, first person for them too. One contemporary romance is written in third person. I agree that if written well, first person is very powerful. I think it gets you into that character's head so that you feel you are the character.

[Vered]

Jaq wrote: "I must be special, I merited an invite. :)

First person can work well, it's first person present tense that doesn't. I just finished reading Zoo City which employs this ans will be speaking my min..."

Why does First Person present tense not work?

[Matthew]

Vered wrote: "Jaq wrote: "I must be special, I merited an invite. :)

First person can work well, it's first person present tense that doesn't. I just finished reading Zoo City which employs this ans will be spe..."

I'd say because it doesn't sound natural. It's just not something you hear in conversation.

[Carol]

Thank you so much for the invite, Randy. I hope that I can lend some positive support. I will try to be here but I do have a crazy schedule at work.

[Randy]

Have posted another comment on first person POV with a technique that allows the narrator to step forward in his/her life and comment on the past, which is the present tense of the actual story. Blog post should make more sense: http://randyattwood.blogspot.com/

[Vered]

Nice!

[Randy]

Jaq, yes that's good advice and also do it in short bursts.

[Joan]

I like to use first person present tense in middle grade and YA books. I think it works really well; especially if I'm describing a specific place. And for YA, a specific horror or an urgent fast-paced scene. The reader can see it and feel it as the character goes through it. This also works well for third person. I chose to go with first, though, on these two.

[Joan]

I wonder how I get my profile pic centered inside the box? Duh! It's inside the box on my profile. Any suggestions?

[Randy]

And all this time I thought you were cutting your nose off to spite your face!

[Randy]

Also at randyattwood.blogspot.com

Then and Now: The Harmony of the Instantaneous All uses first person POV in, what shall I say, an interesting way. I can't say unique because I'm sure it's been done before. I just haven't encountered it.

Story line: Stan Nelson, in his forties, is mired in nostalgia for the 1960s and the woman he lost then. He figures his only cure is to write about why he is so frozen. This isn't a hippie frozen in time. This isn't a stereotype. This is a character for whom events in the spring of 1970 in Lawrence, KS so affected him that he stays sort of locked in that timeframe.

The set up is from the first person POV: He talks directly to the reader about what he is trying to do:

I think back to the 1960s too much now. Not sane. A fixation on then is no way to deal with now. My fascination with those times is not the kind of healthy diversion with the past the way an interest in history can become a worthwhile hobby. Maybe it's worse than a fascination or a fixation; maybe it's an obsession. Can obsessions ever be worthwhile? Probably not. I know I long too much for the psychology of those times, the psychology of others then, of the me then that is so different from the selfish, cynical, jaded, boring psychology of the times, other people and, I fear, the me now..

What Stan goes on to do is to create the spring of 1970 in Lawrence, KS as he experienced it using scenes written from the third person. Like this:


Peter Thomas looked down again into his coffee cup at the small jagged pieces of broken glass. They were dispersing a film of oil as they floated on the brown surface of the coffee he had brewed for himself just a hour ago. He wondered if what Jenny, his assistant director, had told him were true: a poisonous substance coated the surface between the outer glass liner and the thermos body.


Then he tries to contact the people he has written about to get their opinion if what he has created in words is close to reality:

I tried to reach Peter later. I learned he was directing community theater on the East Coast and sent him a letter. He never replied and I never bugged him with a phone call. I was reluctant to write from anybody's point of view unless I could talk to him or her about that point of view. That was kind of a standard I set for this effort, a standard that quickly went out the window. But I got to know Jenny later on. She helped me really quite a lot. Told me about Peter, remembered things. We talked about Peter and those times over a lot of dinners, through a lot of drinks late into a lot of evenings. Those talks helped. And my own memory. Then the diaries of Melvin Washington were a real victory. Those really helped. Reality checks. All I had to do was go looking for them.
Check this entry out:

The diary from Melvin also provides another kind of first person point of view andnd the story continues. The writer talks to the reader in the first person and then creates segments for various characters in the third person and reports back to the reader how true they are. I found this approach very powerful for this novel. Especially when the end came. And the story has a love element I should only describe by repeating this first person section:

I won't do that again, enter Yen Li's mind and present the narrative from her point of view. It's improper. Indecent, in a way. And yet I enter her mind with love and tenderness to show the love and tenderness that I believed was there. To try to get closer to her understanding of the Tao, that I believe was there, too.

I have to admit. Whenever I reread this book I cry at the end. How's that for first person point of view? Worked for the writer. Important question is: does it work for the reader?

[Randy]

I've had a fascinating time doing a re-edit, re-write of sorts with "The 41st Sermon." The book's characters are presented in third person POV. It's an approach I do like because it means the reader can follow various characters and know what each of them knows, but the characters don't know what the other characters are thinking. It sort of turns the reader into an omniscient God. But at times, the characters related their internal thoughts and I was doing that with a "...he thought," sort of approach. Instead, now, I'm putting those thoughts in italics and that also means tense changes. It adds a tension. I like it very much. I'm doing this because I want to turn The 41st Sermon into a paperback POD, so after this re-edit (and found errors! Egads!) will turn into over the Katy Sozaeva for her wonderful final edit and then issue POD as well as republish the ebook. I really like this book and it has a Walker Percy connection. When all the work is done I think I'll share some excerpts. I found some gem sentences. Gee, I wrote that!