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Is Gale to blame?
Anna-Cosette wrote: "Personally I think no, because it wasn't him who committed it, it was his bomb. We don't blame the inventors of airplanes when they crash and people die. I've heard lots of people talking about t..."
I completely agree with you.
Even though I severely dislike Gale, I've never blamed him for Prim's death.That really was an awful accident.
It was just a matter of wrong place, wrong time for Prim.
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I don't blame him, but I see how it would be hard to think of nothing else when you looked at him. Still, I don't think he should have left that quickly and without another word (although I'm glad she ended up with Peeta in the end).
Anna-Cosette wrote: "Personally I think no, because it wasn't him who committed it, it was his bomb. We don't blame the inventors of airplanes when they crash and people die. I've heard lots of people talking about t..."
Could not agree more. He however, most likely blamed himself for it, at least that's what I think, since he left so quickly, without a word...
It's never really confirmed that it was Gale's bomb, so no, I don't blame him entirely. I do agree that Katniss could never have had a normal relationship with Gale again after the bomb, because who knows if it was his or not- - only Suzanne Collins.
I don´t believe that he is to blame for Prim´s death because really it´s not his fault he didn´t decide or he didn´t know Prim and Katniss were there... At the end you don´t even know if he was really him who killed her or the capitol.
I personally believe that the Capitol is to blame for everything... This woulnd´t had happen without the capitol...
I personally believe that the Capitol is to blame for everything... This woulnd´t had happen without the capitol...
NO! he doesn't know that Prim was going to be in the rescue team. PRIM WASN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. Coin set it up so Prim would die. COIN IS THE ONE TO BLAME. She deserves to die. that horrible b**tch
I hate Gale for deserting Katniss after she Killed Coin. AND I hate Coin for being such an arrogant idiot.
David wrote: "I hate Gale for deserting Katniss after she Killed Coin. AND I hate Coin for being such an arrogant idiot."I never got the impression Gale "deserted" Katniss. I got the impression Gale left because he knew there was no place for him in her heart anymore. Him being around would only keep the painful memories of Prim fresh and new. I'm pretty sure he (or maybe it was Katniss) even outright said something to that effect in the book.
By the way, you might want to avoid sticking such obvious and blatant spoilers in the thread titles. I was spoiled Prim's death beforehand and I was really not happy about that. Just a heads-up.On topic: I don't think he's to blame, but he is disturbingly destructive overall. We don't know if it was actually him that coined (haha see what I did there) the idea of the bomb, or if he just had the same idea as Snow - either is possible, and either is really disturbing. I would think he realized this, too, after seeing what happened, and wanted to leave his past behind him as well as allow Katniss to leave hers behind.
Still, I find it very odd they have apparently no contact after that one conversation... or maybe they do and it's just not mentioned?
This is a tough one to answer. In the end, I think that while Gale is not directly responsible for Prim's death, he does deserve a little of the blame. He is shown to be encouraging and aiding the 13s in stooping to the Capitol's way of fighting.
Coin is the one who pulled the trigger on the plan, so she gets the most blame, but everyone down the chain to the person who pulled the trigger shares in the blame at least a little.
While collateral damage is to be expected in wartime, it does not excuse those that cause it by deliberate action or inaction.
Jon wrote: "This is a tough one to answer. In the end, I think that while Gale is not directly responsible for Prim's death, he does deserve a little of the blame. He is shown to be encouraging and aiding t..."
I completely agree. But Gale did get a little carried away with his anger at the Capitol, and so it led to a disaster.
Janie wrote: "David wrote: "I hate Gale for deserting Katniss after she Killed Coin. AND I hate Coin for being such an arrogant idiot."I never got the impression Gale "deserted" Katniss. I got the impression G..."
This is very true. Gale would have just opened sore wounds whenever Katniss saw him. Leaving Distrist 12 was probably the most decent thing he could have done.
i don't think he was completely responsible, but he was in part. without the bomb that he and beetie made, then coin wouldn't have been able to use it on the capitol, then prim wouldn't have died - had she been there or notbut he isn't solely to blame. there were many people in the scenario to blame.
re: the OP's comment about airplanes and people dying when they crash - to me, there is a fundamental different between an airplane that is a non-weapon being developed and killing someone as in a plane crash, and a weapon that people know will result in death being developed and used on people. One has an unintended/ unknown outcome, the other is an intended and known outcome
An-chan wrote: "By the way, you might want to avoid sticking such obvious and blatant spoilers in the thread titles. I was spoiled Prim's death beforehand and I was really not happy about that. Just a heads-up...."
i completely agree!
i was spoiled by Prim's death by someone in the forum for the first book...to which I was told, I shouldn't go into any message boards unless I had read all the books in a series...
Dee wrote: "i was spoiled by Prim's death by someone in the forum for the first book...to which I was told, I shouldn't go into any message boards unless I had read all the books in a series..."Their an ass for that. And they are wrong.
they are, but sometimes there is not point in arguing...that was just one of those...they are finally starting to put some spoiler markings up on discussions thoughpersonally, I don't even look at these threads until after I read a book to make sure that nothing is spoiled for me
An-chan wrote: "By the way, you might want to avoid sticking such obvious and blatant spoilers in the thread titles. I was spoiled Prim's death beforehand and I was really not happy about that. Just a heads-up.O..."
Same I was spoiled about Prim's death... But that's why I put it under Mockingjay. I assumed anyone looking at these discussions have already finished the series
When you look at it from Katniss's perspective he kind of is. He designed the bomb, solely to cause pain and death. He was working on it in a government lab with a tribute bent on revenge. And he didn't try to explain to Katniss what happened. He may have thought it was being used on the Capitol and it backfired it was still his fault. No point denying it.
Janie wrote: "David wrote: "I hate Gale for deserting Katniss after she Killed Coin. AND I hate Coin for being such an arrogant idiot."I never got the impression Gale "deserted" Katniss. I got the impression G..."
Totally agree with this. Gale leaving was the right decision to make because he knew that if he stayed, he was basically forcing Katniss to choose between one of them and make things even more difficult. He left because Katniss would obviously choose Peeta since she could never look at Gale again without thinking about Prim. Stupid of her.
@ Alyssa - you don't make any sense? PMSLHow was I blaming Prim for her own death?!?!?!
If anyone was to blame - it would be Coin for ordering the bombs to go off.
It's just a shame that Prim happened to be there!
So again - how was I blaming Prim for her own death?
You either didn't read what I wrote properly and/or you completely took it out of context!
I don't blame him i don't think he knew it would kill Prim because Prim was like his younger sister and he wouldn't do anything to hurt Katniss.
No, I don't blame Gale for Prim's death, because yes, he did help make that bomb a reality, but he never would have used it to hurt children or anyone from Katniss's family. It was all Coin and her obsession for power that killed Prim. She might not have intentionally tried to kill Prim, but why in God's name would she allow someone that young into combat...well that's a no brainer, she had about as much emotional connection for living human beings as president Snow had.
NO! Coin is!!!
Of course NOTwe should blame someone else
suzanne collins for example :X
Kirby wrote: "Anna-Cosette wrote: "An-chan wrote: "By the way, you might want to avoid sticking such obvious and blatant spoilers in the thread titles. I was spoiled Prim's death beforehand and I was really not ..."They never do that to me... The only discussions that show up for me are the ones I've marked as read
Anna-Cosette wrote: "Is Gale to blame for Prim's death?Personally I think no, because it wasn't him who committed it, it was his bomb. We don't blame the inventors of airplanes when they crash and people die.
I've h..."
that's true, do we blame the pilot?
Gale isn't responsible for anything that went wrong... If you ask me, Coin is responsible for Prim's death.And Katniss is to blame for Gale deserting her. Why would she blame him?! Because he helped in the creation of the bomb?! Come on, that's retarded.
And yes, Suzanne Collins is to blame for the crappy ending she gave us. What an epic fail this last book was.
Pauline wrote: "Anna-Cosette wrote: "Is Gale to blame for Prim's death?Personally I think no, because it wasn't him who committed it, it was his bomb. We don't blame the inventors of airplanes when they crash an..."
But that is exactly what I mean. Gale was the inventor (if it was the bomb he invented), not the 'pilot'. We can blame the pilot, but that wasn't Gale. Gale was only the inventor.
Marie-claude wrote: "Gale isn't responsible for anything that went wrong... If you ask me, Coin is responsible for Prim's death.And Katniss is to blame for Gale deserting her. Why would she blame him?! Because he hel..."
I don't think Katniss ever completely blamed Gale for her sister's death, but because it could have been his bomb, that is all she thought of when she saw him.
In my mind, you can't blame her. She probably wanted to stay friends, but that possibility would always be there. She doesn't choose to think that... If I remember correctly she even stated something like that. It was just a feeling that she couldn't shake.
im just gonna put this short, cuz once i start to write about it i will get a bit.. excited.. ;PABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
No! Gale had no idea, he would have never done it on purpose, beacuse he would have never hurt Katniss! He left beacuse he knew Katniss wouldn't be happy with him around, she would feel sad and he would feel he'd be to blame for everything that happened.. By leaving, he loved Katniss more than anyone, beacuse he gave her freedom and a chance to forget the past!
^^^^^^^^ YESS!!!! i agree with you completley!! i really hate how some people are all "get lost gale, your a jerk!!" and all that... it wasnt even his fault guys and he left so katniss could live happily without him in it!!
He created the bomb because they were at war, he had no idea how they were going to use it. I blame Coin, she was manipulative and sly about how she did things, I hate her. Although I agree that Katniss and Peeta belonged together in the end and I agree with Suzanne Collins' descision, I will always be team Gale!
If you are going to blame him, you have to blame Beetee as well. I hate peeta
This is a tough one but in the end, while I don't entirely blame him for Prim's death, I can't really forgive him for it either. Because whether it was his bomb or not, he played a part in what caused Prim's death. So, he isn't entirely to blame but...while I do like him as a character, even if he is mopey, I can't entirely remove the blame from him either.
Anna-Cosette wrote: "Is Gale to blame for Prim's death?Personally I think no, because it wasn't him who committed it, it was (maybe) his bomb. We don't blame the inventors of airplanes when they crash and people die...."
The Wright brothers were not trying to murder people with airplanes; Gale was trying to murder people.
It is sad that people think that Gale gets off the hook because he didn't know that Prim specifically would be there. He knew his trap would be used to kill other innocent people, and just because Suzanne Collins doesn't tell us their names does not mean that their lives are less valuable than Prim's. That's like saying it would be wrong to drop an atomic bomb on my neighbor's house, but not on a stranger's.
To those who say the Capital is to blame, yes, but Coin is also very much to blame. She is 100% culpable in the murder of all those innocent people. Better question, was it okay for Katniss to murder Coin in cold blood? As a beloved public figure, Katniss could have lead a peaceful revolution to dispose of Coin and have a fair trial to prove her guilt and give her a fair sentencing. Instead Katniss became just like all the violent immoral authority figures in her world and used cold hard killing as a tool to get the peace that they desire. Horribly offensive.
Anna-Cosette wrote: "Pauline wrote: "Anna-Cosette wrote: "Is Gale to blame for Prim's death?Personally I think no, because it wasn't him who committed it, it was his bomb. We don't blame the inventors of airplanes wh..."
But he invented it for the sole purpose of killing innocent people for political gain! It doesn't matter whether it was Prim or a no name. In creating the bomb Gale showed a complete disregard for human life. Gale is a violent anarchist that will use whatever means necessary to overthrow an oppressive government, even murdering a few innocent people.
Janie wrote: "David wrote: "I hate Gale for deserting Katniss after she Killed Coin. AND I hate Coin for being such an arrogant idiot."I never got the impression Gale "deserted" Katniss. I got the impression G..."
I agree totally with this comment.
I don't think he was at fault for Prim's death. He never meant for anything like what Coin planned. He had no idea it would be used against their own forces or against children. His idea was tactical and cold but it was never bad-intended, he would have never wanted to hurt anyone more than nessesary and what happened to Prim was not nessesary. He wanted to use it against enemy forces, as a way to win a war. Death is inevitable in war and he knew that and he put aside his emotions and focused on a way to win.
Yes! Definitely! But if I'm blaming him I'm also kinda blaming Beetee and I like Beetee.
But he didn't do it willingly
I guess it wasn't totally his fault but I think we all have to learn that creating bombs were wrong?I could never forgive him for abandoning Katniss in the end though
It wasnt his fault,just prim was in the wrong place&it ended with her being killed. it could of happened to anyone
Mia;emma wrote: "It wasnt his fault,just prim was in the wrong place&it ended with her being killed. it could of happened to anyone"She wasn't in the wrong place. Coin sent her there to be killed
yeah, you know what i mean though.she didnt know that she was going to be killed there on purpose
Gale had the idea, but having an idea and implimenting it are totally different things. If you shoot someone is it fair to put the blame on the one who made the gun or the one who pulled the trigger? Coin killed Prim, she sent her there and she sent the bomb there. She metaphorically wielded Gale's gun and used it to shoot Prim.
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Personally I think no, because it wasn't him who committed it, it was (maybe) his bomb. We don't blame the inventors of airplanes when they crash and people die.
I've heard lots of people talking about this, so I thought I'd make a proper discussion.