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Your thoughts on Gale Hawthorne? *Spoiler ALERT!* DO NOT COME IN IF YOU HAVENT READ THE WHOLE SERIES!!!
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Charlie I luv Gale Hawthorne wrote: "THANK YOU!!!!!! That was beautiful!"You're welcome!
I noticed your comment on another thread about you being outnumbered and i was like right that is it, here i come :)
To be honest, I liked Gale. He did get a bit whiny toward the end, but hey, Peeta was busy being whiny throughout the whole series lol. Like Jessica said, they are a bit alike--they just went about everything differently.That being said, Gale was a bit too rebellious for Katniss from the beginning. It sort of just "came out" during the rebellion, and Katniss was a bit put off by that. Chances are, if the games and rebellion didn't happen, he and Katniss would have ended up together, as they were practically partners already and one in the same.
But I don't think Peeta was a perfect match, either. She and Peeta happened because Katniss didn't feel as safe otherwise; he was her partner throughout every other game, so why not in life? After all, she did say there were much worse games to play. Point being, it happened, but I think it happened because she grew sick with time. Though, I think I could agree Collins did that purposefully...
He is very selectiveIn the first book he loved her
Second : I don't like u you are just a piece of the capatil
Third : I love you
Than he goes and Kills her sister
Make up your mind
That's a very interesting way of summing up Gale's part in each book.*sighs* I don't think I can even bother explaining the Prim incident again.
Hannah wrote: "He is very selectiveIn the first book he loved her
Second : I don't like u you are just a piece of the capatil
Third : I love you
Than he goes and Kills her sister
Make up your mind"
He was NOT like "I don't like you." He was just frustrated with the fact that Katniss was the symbol of a rebellion that she wanted no parts of. Katniss was too distracted with romance and her feelings, while Gale was focused on the MUCH MORE PRESSING MATTERS. Granted, it was understandable for her to be unfocused when she found out about the Quarter Quell. But everything that piled up should have motivated her to fight and I really thought she never got that drive like Gale did.
I sorta wish Suzanne Collins would write the series again from Gale's POV. So we can see the civilian side of the war.
Gale was a great character. He could've never truly been with katniss though. And by the end of the third book he'd become just like the capital.
Amanda (Gale's Wife) wrote: "That's a very interesting way of summing up Gale's part in each book.*sighs* I don't think I can even bother explaining the Prim incident again."
Yeah, I wouldn't bother. All these women see is their ship.
Amanda (Gale's Wife) wrote: "Charlie I luv Gale Hawthorne wrote: "THANK YOU!!!!!! That was beautiful!"You're welcome!
I noticed your comment on another thread about you being outnumbered and i was like right that is it, here..."
I'm so glad you came!
I never really liked Gale, because I just didn't connect with his character. I think he isn't right for Katniss because their basic beliefs are too different. For example, when Katniss discovers that Gale has been designing bombs and weapons that lure emergency workers to bomb victims to kill twice as many people, she was really repulsed and disgusted by that plan. Where as Gale thought it was appropriate because all is fair in war. I think Katniss understands what it is like to be an innocent person used as a pawn in other people's game and how unfair it is, and Gale is doing exactly that.
Whitney wrote: "I think that Gale from book 1 and book 3 are two different people. I think the author wrote them differently so everyone would love Katniss and Peeta as a couple, because what author wants unhappy ..."I completely agree with you. The Gale in the first book would never have done what the Gale in the last book did. Gale was always my favorite character throughout the series. He was a really strong person and was there for Katniss, being her best friend. At the very end of Mockingjay, Gale leaves for another district, and the author says he does this for the women. Reading that made me disgusted. Gale would never ever have left Katniss for other women. The author also writes in a negative way about Gale throughout most of the third book. I think the author made Gale seem like a terrible person just so Katniss could be with Peeta, whom I never thought was a good fit for Katniss. I felt a special connection with Gale, thought he stood for a lot of what I believe in, and felt I really understood him, so when he was made out to be the kind of person he wasn't, my opinion of the books decreased a lot.
Amanda (Gale's Wife) wrote: "So i have a lot to say on the topic of Gale.First of all he is my favourite character. I admire and respect him despite his flaws. And i truely understand the way he is and the way he goes about ..."
My thoughts exactly!!
i was team gale for books 1 and 2 but then I hated him
Jessica wrote: "I think we should just clarify that Katniss never blamed Gale just as Gale never denied the fact that it could have been "his" bomb. The crucial fact in that whole interchange is that Katniss will ..."I cried so hard when Prim died. My thoughts were that she had lost so much and now she lost her sister, the closest girl she has, and I was thinking that if that happened to me... I think I would go into severe depression, too...
Gale was alright until the third book. By then he couldn't keep his emotions in check and all he would do was get angry, which made Katniss angry, which is not good for her situation.While Peeta (when he was sane that is...) calmed Katniss, and truly loved her.
Gale is human and a product of his society and the situations he was placed in. His character is in the book to show how people change and how sometimes even the people we are closest to in our youth are different people to us once we are adults. He is a flawed character but not a bad person. He just wasn't who he was in the end as he was in the beginning. However, none of them were.
Shirley wrote: "Honestly, Gale was a crybaby. He had his chance a long time ago to profess his love to Katniss, and he only made things more difficult for her and Peeta. In the Mockingjay, he said he knew he wan..."GALE IS AWFUL!
i didnt mind Gale that much until Mockingjay then i got really mad!
So how exactly is Gale awful?
he's not a very interesting character. What's there to love about him?
What's not to love about him?He's loyal, passionate, devoted and will do anything for the ones he loves.
Plus he's a very realistic character.
i flat out hate Gale there's nothing else to say.
Ugh people these days...I'm too tired to get into right now
Gretchen wrote: "Gale is human and a product of his society and the situations he was placed in. His character is in the book to show how people change and how sometimes even the people we are closest to in our you..."what a great point! It really kind of speaks to the fact that many of these characters were a product of society- characters even as minor as Cato and Clove or as prominent as Gale and Katniss. It's pretty evident that people will change especially placed in such terrible circumstances.
I think that's what Collins was trying to point out in this series (well one of the many issues she portrayed) was the very real likelihood that you will change. I don't think she wanted anyone to hate Gale in the end or to write him so people would accept Peeta. I think it was just very much the way anyone with Gale's predispositions would develop.
All the characters were meant to have some gray areas and flaws which is what makes this book so compelling. I still feel Katniss ended up with the right person because despite all of Gale's good points, Peeta was able to provide a sense of companionship and peace that only can come from someone so closely tied to you through all the tragedy. The odds weren't in Gale's favor when his name wasn't picked in the reaping, I suppose.
Amanda (Gale's Wife) wrote: "So i have a lot to say on the topic of Gale.First of all he is my favourite character. I admire and respect him despite his flaws. And i truely understand the way he is and the way he goes about ..."
First thing...I blame Beetee. He actually MADE the bomb. But Gale is a more important character for people to relate too.
Second...he may have volunteered to save Peeta but did he volunteer for Peeta or to make Katniss happy. In that moment he was thinking about Katniss and not anything else. I don't think Peeta would have helped in the war. No one believed that. I think Coin even didn't want to get him.
I don't think that was at all selfless on Gale's part, he practically just wanted the girl he loved to be happy. Only her, because not many people in 13 liked Peeta. They liked Gale because he was their soldier. The perfect one.
Third...he kicked his OWN soldier in the face. Um...to tell you that was not one of his finer moments. Not at all. I absolutely hate guys that probably ruin others chances of being in the fighting. That guy he kicked would be injured...making him unable to help. (This kinda hypothetical because it was his nose, not like a concussion or anything)
Fourth... I totally respect your other points. I really like to argue and your point just is perfect to go on. I also dont all out hate Gale. Just um...slight hate. I already hated him before this happened because he was an arrogant person to others like Stephanie said.
Okay rant over. Have to look at the other comments. XD
Hannah wrote: "He is very selectiveIn the first book he loved her
Second : I don't like u you are just a piece of the capatil
Third : I love you
Than he goes and Kills her sister
Make up your mind"
He did make up his mind. He let her go which proves that he loves her through and through.
Jessica wrote: "Gretchen wrote: "Gale is human and a product of his society and the situations he was placed in. His character is in the book to show how people change and how sometimes even the people we are clos..."
On your last paragraph I would like to say that Gale could have volunteered for Peeta to protect Katniss. But he knew she wouldn't let him leave his family so he didn't. But he could have.
Natalie wrote: "Gale was a great character. He could've never truly been with katniss though. And by the end of the third book he'd become just like the capital."
He was like the Capital wasn't he. I never looked at it like that, but he killed ruthlessly and didn't even blink an eye.
Okay, I am Team Gale all the way. I'll join the miniority on here and state that right off . . .
To be honest, I think that Gale changed because of Katniss. Maybe I am crazy, I don't know, but I think that the Katniss from THG was a hero. She was brave and admirable, and she knew how to do things right. She had been illegally hunting since she was 12, trying to provide for her family. Gale was there for her when nobody else besides Prim was. And I admire him for that.
Anyway, by the third book Katniss was . . . well, she wasn't herself. She took vaccines and other things, she just wasn't stable. And that made Gale not be as stable, because for years their lives had depended on each other, and they were too interwoven to separate.
I agree, Gale was drove insane for the cause. But it was a worthy cause, in my opinion. He was fighting for freedom for everybody - and sometimes, it had to be done with violence to get a message across.
Basically, I thought that by the time the end of the third book rolled around, everybody had changed. But I remained Gale all the way, sympathizing with his flaws, because in my opinion, it made him more real and human.
One more thing: I think that Gale invented those bombs for defence, for the rebel cause. He didn't intend to use them on children, much less rebel doctors. In my opinion, it was a brilliant idea that backfired when placed in Coin's hands. Katniss had the right idea to shoot her, in my opinion. She was taking advantage of everybody.
There is my complete (well, as far as I can tell) evaluation of Gale.
*Just a note: I do like Peeta - I just like Gale better. :)
To be honest, I think that Gale changed because of Katniss. Maybe I am crazy, I don't know, but I think that the Katniss from THG was a hero. She was brave and admirable, and she knew how to do things right. She had been illegally hunting since she was 12, trying to provide for her family. Gale was there for her when nobody else besides Prim was. And I admire him for that.
Anyway, by the third book Katniss was . . . well, she wasn't herself. She took vaccines and other things, she just wasn't stable. And that made Gale not be as stable, because for years their lives had depended on each other, and they were too interwoven to separate.
I agree, Gale was drove insane for the cause. But it was a worthy cause, in my opinion. He was fighting for freedom for everybody - and sometimes, it had to be done with violence to get a message across.
Basically, I thought that by the time the end of the third book rolled around, everybody had changed. But I remained Gale all the way, sympathizing with his flaws, because in my opinion, it made him more real and human.
One more thing: I think that Gale invented those bombs for defence, for the rebel cause. He didn't intend to use them on children, much less rebel doctors. In my opinion, it was a brilliant idea that backfired when placed in Coin's hands. Katniss had the right idea to shoot her, in my opinion. She was taking advantage of everybody.
There is my complete (well, as far as I can tell) evaluation of Gale.
*Just a note: I do like Peeta - I just like Gale better. :)
really think he didn't mean it, and he probably feel bad that's why he went to another district.and I'm not a Gale fan, I am just saying.
Even though Katniss understands that. That he didn't mean it, again.
commant if you disagree or agree
I guess, I'm part of the minority too? I don't know. I feel like I was reading an entirely different series than most of you. Gale didn't go crazy. In fact, I think he held up FAR better than Katniss or Peeta. Peeta was taken and brainwashed, Katniss fell apart and felt like the world was on her shoulders (and in a sense it was). She was driven to get drunk in the second book and to take drugs in the third. Gale, on the other hand, kept both his and Katniss' family alive through the first, took a huge beating from the peacekeepers, and then fought to protect all innocent people through the third. Hmmm...CRAZY guy! What was he thinking? LOL. And of course he got moody and jealous! Who wouldn't? Katniss is kissing Peeta...then him...then Peeta....then she's blocking everyone out. Then she's kissing him again but wanting Peeta to love her too. I'm not saying Katniss was at fault. I'm saying they all dealt with their circumstance and none were "bad" or "hate" worthy because of it. Gale hated the capitol...that's all there is to it. Peeta hated it too. BUT Gale had the strength and the brains to do soemthing to help combat it. WHICH, by the way, is why Katniss felt safe fighting right beside him.
To comment on all three above this. I agree that Gale wasn't insane. I like Gale more than Peeta. I just think that he went way too far in the end. They had a secure plan to win then Coin drops bombs on everything. Blah blah blah.Cassy said that he must feel bad and yeah he probably does. But he probably left because seeing Peeta and Katniss together was too much. Well that or your point. I just confuzzled myself. Moving on.
Arabella states that Katniss and Gale are practically one so when Katniss goes through a tough time Gale goes through a tough time. I kinda agree. *shrugs* I just can't see it. Both are too independent. Katniss was still beating herself up over the Bread for like ever! They just seem to have rough times at the same time...not that they cause it.
I thought Gale was the biggest crybaby, he was no better than the other ppl on Snows side makin bombs and what not to kill ppl.That behind the scenes crap was cowardly to me and I really dont think Katniss really truly loved him in the first place he was just really cute for he to look at when everything else was turning to shit in her district.He never even said it wasnt me ,we didnt have a bomb like that shows you that he was just as evil as the ppl on Snows side of things
I'm sorry i started seriously disliking Gale at the start of book 2. I was always team Peeta (you love me; real or not real.) I mean SWOON!!! Gale MIGHT have had a chance with Katniss if he'd actually stepped up to the plate several years back, you snooze you looze. And, if the author had put them togather in the end i would have been pist. After what happened to Prim, Katniss could not have possibly been with him, and if she had i would have lost all respect for her.
Dedrah wrote: "I thought Gale was the biggest crybaby, he was no better than the other ppl on Snows side makin bombs and what not to kill ppl.That behind the scenes crap was cowardly to me and I really dont think..."Wow...strong opinion much? I don't agree with this. He was evil but not THAT evil. It really depends on how you see Gale. Though I don't know where people keep getting the crybaby thing. He doesn't even cry!!!
Tammy wrote: "I'm sorry i started seriously disliking Gale at the start of book 2. I was always team Peeta (you love me; real or not real.) I mean SWOON!!! Gale MIGHT have had a chance with Katniss if he'd act..."YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINTS!!! I LOVE YOU!
I'll take anyone that protects my family and keeps them alive for me while I'm gone, someone that fights to regain our freedom (rather than sitting by and wishing someone else would do it), and that loves me enough to let me go if that's what would make me happy. He didn't release the bomb that killed Prim. He was fighting and gearing himself up just like everyone else was. He hated the Hunger Games more than anyone. He needed for them to end, so he fought to make that happen. Where's the evil in fighting to keep everyone alive, including Peeta.
You got me there KareB, his heart was in the right place, i will agree with that. I think that each person takes something different away after reading a book; everyone reads the words/meaning differntly. In the end I think that Gale Loved Katniss and she him BUT I think that Peeta was IN love with Katniss and she him... does that make sense?
Tammy wrote: "You got me there KareB, his heart was in the right place, i will agree with that. I think that each person takes something different away after reading a book; everyone reads the words/meaning di..."
Totally understand. But I don't think Katniss was in love with anyone. I think she loved them both and would have survived with either one of them. She just didn't seem to want to choose either herself. So she let fate choose for her. But I know that Gale loved her and would have gone with her if he thought that's what she wanted and needed.
Christi(Gingerpaw of Sunclan) wrote: "Think this through. Who loves Gale right now? Not me. In Mockingjay what was he making? Oh, just the bomb that dropped on Prim. Yes yes all Gale fans are screaming, 'He didn't mean too!'. I g..."Hey Katniss did her fair share of killing peole and she even was the reason that Peeta got highjack and his WHOLE FAMILY died; only Katniss' sis died beacuase of him.And who puts a 14 year old on the front line , Coin is the real murder
*Secret*Fatty* wrote: "I agree with all three of your responses.By book 2 I also was not a very big fan of Gale. When I read about Gale kissing Katniss outside the fence I pretty much hurled the book I was so angry.
By..."
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You love me; Real or not Real. RealOne of the best book lines i've ever read, had i had any doubt about Katniss and Peeta before reading that (which i didn't) that would have sealed it for me!
I kind of root for the underdog in most love triangles though... Ash/Megan/Puck i was rooting for puck. Will/Jem/Tessa i am 100% team Jem! Cassia/Xander/Kye i am still hoping for Xander. My list goes on and on.
Wow, so many Gale haters. :P I actually like Gale and I was hoping he would end up with Katniss in the end, even though I knew it wouldn't happen. But the relationship between Gale and Katniss was meant to be very sad so that Collins could show how the horrors of war and death and rebellion and injustice--even when you're on the winning side--could affect a person. That people can change depending on the events of their lives, and that war and destruction can have a devastating impact on more than just material items, but relationships and families as well. I thought she got that message through very well.I don't blame Gale for Prim's death--it's not like he expected the bomb would be dropped on the rebel forces and the children. It was intended to hurt the people working for Snow--soldiers and medics who fought for the Capitol and knew exactly what they were doing, not innocent people. In that setting, dropping the bombs would be no different than shooting and killing Peacekeepers or other Capitol supporters. Unlike Snow and Coin, who intentionally hurt their own innocent people to further their political goals. Gale is a soldier and he has a soldier mentality, thinking with his head, not his heart. After the life he led in District 12, can anyone really be surprised that he was willing to do anything to stop the Capitol, even if it meant stooping to their level? I think the more he saw what kinds of tactics the Capitol was capable of, the more he grew to hate them and was willing to do anything to end that kind of horror.
The thing that bonded Gale and Katniss together was a mutual need to survive, and when that was taken away, their relationship started to deteriorate. They endured different experiences and had to deal with very different things (the Capitol lifestyle, the Hunger Games, the fake romance between Peeta and Katniss, the bombing of 12 etc), so their outlooks changed in response to that as well, sending them further apart. I think that Gale tried to hold onto Katniss, but he also knew how her mind worked, and he was not so selfish that he would try to make her realize she loved him right in the middle of all the war and death and Peeta's hijacking when her emotions were so messed up and love was the last thing she wanted to think about. He always loved her, but he wouldn't use her own emotions etc to try and get what he wanted.
I guess I favored Gale because their fathers died together, so in my mind he was more like Katniss' dad. Daddy's girl here :) Seemed like a perfect fit to me. Plus, they learned to survive together after they both lost their dads. But I like that you cheer on the underdog.
I've posted on here already, but I have something else to say. Some Gale Haters say that he went crazy and was just like the Capitol. To that I say this: I believed he loved Katniss. I really do. (and if you don't think so, I'm pretty sure I'm interpreting it the way it's supposed to be) he loved her. Then he saw the girl beloved go through the games. Twice. He saw her break and go crazy, because of the Capitol. He felt he needed to do something to avenge what they had done to her. Maybe he did kill people, but do you really think Snow and the peacekeepers could be replaced without war? (open your eyes people.) what did you want Gale to do? Sit around and say "oh Katniss I'm sorry the Captiol just messed up your life forever. I'm just gonna sit here and do nothing" NO! Gale got up and did something about hit. He saw the girl he loved get taken away from him, and he loved her enough to fight for her, even if she didn't want to!
Wow...this has gotten a lot of responses more than I thought. Thank you Charlie for stating your opinion. I may hate Gale but you love him so I'm not going to argue with you. Also I'm a tad bit tired of saying all my stuff over and over again.
where is all this love for Katniss that Gale has? I see jealousy; like a kid who gotten his toy taken and wanting it back but everyone sees love differently i guess if you doubt his love then it wasnt ever there to begn with Peeta loved her thru all that happened in all three book even when he was turned against he remebered his feelings
Ellie wrote: "I absolutely adore Gale, but don't mistake me for one of those fan-obsessed women. I see he has his faults and can be mean, but he's focused and tough. He can push himself through where I feel Peet..."I agree with you.
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Christi(Gingerpaw of Sunclan) wrote: "Amanda (Gale's Wife) wrote: "So i have a lot to say on the topic of Gale.First of all he is my favourite character. I admire and respect him despite his flaws. And i truely understand the way he ..."
Yes i get that Gale is the important character out of the two but it doesn't mean Gale should cop all the blame. When i brought this arguement up it was pointed at you though. Just certain people.
As for the mission to save people what i meant by that was it was a dangerous mission. Yet he still went, not thinking about the consequences for him or the fact that he could have been killed.
I'm pretty sure i said after my comment about this that it shows how Gale was still fighting for Katniss. He went on that mission to save Peeta for Katniss because he knew how badly damaged Katniss would be.
Yeah i know it was one his soldiers. As i said the reason i made those points was to show that he was still doing anything he could to help Katniss because people said that he put the rebellion before Katniss. I just used that in my arguement that Gale didn't put the rebellion before Katniss. Well atleast not entirely anyway.
Whether it was his soldier or not i still admire him for doing it and i understand why he did.
It's fine, thank you for being understanding :)
I totally get what you mean. I love arguing aswell and get into so many because i'm so opinionated.
I really thought that Gale would of been Katniss's love interest, until he made the stupid bomb I don't know what to think!!!
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For those of you who think that Gale was wrong to be so naive about being against the capital, he has every right to. The capital took away everything he knew...including Katniss!
Also, for those mad about his bomb...Prim chose to go help on the battlefield, she was aware of the risk...and it's not like he meant to kill Prim with it!
Team Gale Forever!