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PLEASE separate before not-a-booking!

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message 51: by [deleted user] (new)

I was wondering how it got fixed so fast. I clicked on the link and it was separated and I was like I could have sworn they were together so I came back and deleted the comment so I didn't look like an idiot. lol. I'm working on posting all my books... it's a long arduous task, so when I find the other one that's not posted I'll post it under book issues. I might have too many books... No, that's not possible. Thank you for fixing it. I only have volumes One and Two but when I typed in the ISBNs on them they both came up as separate listing this time. I'm still collecting through trade sites so if I acquire the other one I'll check that as well. Anyway I wanted to say thank you so much for fixing it. I really appreciate it.


message 52: by Cait (last edited May 07, 2009 08:28AM) (new)

Cait (tigercait) | 5005 comments One way to find unseparated NAB items is to put "NOT A BOOK" in the search field and select search by author. The first couple of pages of search results right now are real books with a combined NAB still listed among their editions.... Anyone game? :)


This Is Not The Michael You're Looking For | 949 comments Hadn't thought of that idea. Good call. I'll join the fun.


message 54: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
Thanks, you guys. That should help a lot. :)


message 55: by Susanna (new)

Susanna | 6 comments Would this be a NOT A BOOK?

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59...


message 56: by Cait (new)

Cait (tigercait) | 5005 comments I think so, yes, although I suppose an argument could be made that it's a "teacher's guide" book -- it's definitely not an edition of the actual book Night. (You'll need to delete and recreate it to move that review over onto the proper book either way, though.)





message 57: by Susanna (new)

Susanna | 6 comments OK, done.


This Is Not The Michael You're Looking For | 949 comments When you do an author search for "Not a Book" (as described above), a number of the hits are to books with many editions (mostly Shakespeare, but one or two others). I can't find any Not a Book authors actually attached to any of those books; I think this may be a phantom result of the sort that often comes up with books with tons of editions and many alternate authors (editors, translators, illustrators, etc.) Sort of like the way you can do an author search for "Michael" (or any other common first name) and get an entire page of listings where not a single book is actually written by anyone with that first name.


message 59: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2378 comments Michael, I've had the same experience. I had wondered whether the current NOT A BOOKs had once had those authors listed as authors but no longer do because they've already been changed to NOT A BOOKs.


message 60: by JSWolf (last edited May 13, 2009 10:49AM) (new)

JSWolf | 627 comments SF SQRL wrote: "I usually list them as MultiFormat eBook. Not that that will necessarily deter the more determined librarian ;)."

That doesn't actually work if the different formats of a given eBook have different ISBN numbers. I've taken to listing the specific format and the ISBN that goes with it. So I'll put it in as say Mobipocket eBook or MS Reader eBook or Sony eBook. Before using Multiformat eBook, check if the ISBN is the same for all versions. Because if not, then each version should be a seperate entry.





message 61: by Debbie (new)

Debbie Moorhouse Well, no, but I've never run across any.


message 62: by JSWolf (new)

JSWolf | 627 comments SF SQRL wrote: "Well, no, but I've never run across any."

Look here (for example) http://www.harpercollinsebooks.com/BB... and you will see a different ISBN for each eBook edition.





message 63: by Debbie (new)

Debbie Moorhouse I don't doubt they exist.


message 64: by JSWolf (new)

JSWolf | 627 comments So why use Multiformat eBook when they have different ISBN numbers?



message 65: by Debbie (new)

Debbie Moorhouse Sigh.

If/when i encounter those i won't; but as i haven't encountered them i haven't.


message 66: by Jessica (new)

Jessica | 959 comments The entries with gibberish authors (with numbers in the name) which I'm pretty sure are CDs..we are not a booking those, correct?


message 67: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2378 comments Jessica, You didn't post any links so cannot be sure but if you're sure an item is not a book, yes, we NOT A BOOK it/the author. If there are any books where it's the author's name being messed up then we correct the spelling of the author's name and do any combining necessary.


message 68: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
I know the kind she means. Yes, combine the "author" with NOT A BOOK.


message 69: by Jessica (new)

Jessica | 959 comments Thanks rivka. I hadn't seen any in a while so I couldn't link. Usually looks like Britney CD57a0faSpears.


message 70: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
Yup, with lots of spaces in the middle, which are only visible on the edit page.


message 71: by Ladystyx (new)

Ladystyx | 4 comments Ok I am a little confused ( don't worry it can happen and often does....lol).

In regards to Colouring type books. I have a number that have a Not a book title on them. however While they are technically colouring books they fall into the Anatony coloring book classification. Text and actual info with Black n white pics that can be coloured. Dover produces a bunch of these.


Are they considered Not a books or are they Books and Can Label them appropriately?

Also Is there a person/place that a newbie Librrarian like me can go to that can help with these questions/topics?
A specialist perhaps? I would love to be a colouring book specialist....lol...

Ladystyx


message 72: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2378 comments Ladystyx, I think that those books are books. I have some of those and even though they're coloring books they have the full text/info about anatomy, physiology, etc. even if you never color in them.


message 73: by Ladystyx (new)

Ladystyx | 4 comments Okies. Just wanted to Double check before I change the 50 plus or so of these I have on my shelfs from Not a Books back to the beloved books as I know them. lol


message 74: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
I recommend a Librarian's Note on each of them. Otherwise, good chance someone will mistakenly switch them back.


message 75: by Sherry (new)

Sherry (ssaccoliti) | 269 comments I've been reading the posts and I think I have this. I've not done much with the NABs.
I found a group of books where the title is NOT-A-BOOK and the author is NOT-A-BOOK but the is no other information in the title.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/64...

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27...

This doesn't seem right to me.

Should I go and put the titles back after including NOT-A-BOOK in the title?
Help and thanks.


message 76: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 9426 comments I think it is best to leave the titles out of the items we label as Not a Book so they don't come up in searches.


message 77: by Sherry (new)

Sherry (ssaccoliti) | 269 comments Cait wrote: "Huh, you know, there doesn't seem to be anything on NOT-A-BOOKing in the librarian manual -- does anyone know where the standard instructions are and want to write them up in the "add to the manual..."

This doesn't really mean just change the whole title to NOT A BOOK does it?
We are still just putting NOT A BOOK before the rest of the complete titles - correct?

If we could decide, this would help. There is a librarian who is now renaming all of the NAB materials to a title only NAB. This confuses me and makes useful searching impossible on these materials.


message 78: by Cait (new)

Cait (tigercait) | 5005 comments No, Sherry, if the items are genuinely not books then there's no need to keep any information about them; the only reason they aren't deleted entirely from the database is that items with ISBNs are automatically imported from Amazon when they aren't in GR, so if they were deleted then they'd pop back up after the next import.

If something has been mistakenly NABbed, it can usually be reconstructed from the ISBN when discovered.

(By the way, the author should be "NOT A BOOK", not "NOT-A-BOOK" -- the punctuation will make it a different author.)


message 79: by Sherry (last edited Feb 14, 2010 10:43AM) (new)

Sherry (ssaccoliti) | 269 comments Cait wrote: "No, Sherry, if the items are genuinely not books then there's no need to keep any information about them; the only reason they aren't deleted entirely from the database is that items with ISBNs ar..."

Thanks - (Got the correct punctuation).
Just to reiterate, it if really is NOT A BOOK, then
this should be in the title field and the author field, and ultimately we will merge this into a single item?


message 80: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 9426 comments They do not need to be merged within the Not A Book Author. But yes - the title should read: Not a book and the author should read: Not a book. (I enter it in sort by too)


message 81: by Sherry (new)

Sherry (ssaccoliti) | 269 comments Melody wrote: "They do not need to be merged within the Not A Book Author. But yes - the title should read: Not a book and the author should read: Not a book. (I enter it in sort by too)"

Thanks.


message 82: by Ralph (last edited Jan 18, 2010 02:22PM) (new)


message 83: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2378 comments After a quick look (at google books & world cat) I'd say yes, NABs.


Amelia, the pragmatic idealist (aeimaginer12) | 2 comments I've always wondered about this, so I'll start off my first question:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/69...

Would this be NAB? A lot of members are writing stuff and making them look like actual books...for example, the author listed there is not real, it's a pen name for an unpublished kid.
My question, then, is what to do with stuff like this, which is definitely not published material and little more than just a goodreads story that is made to look like published material.


message 85: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
Those should just be deleted, actually.


Amelia, the pragmatic idealist (aeimaginer12) | 2 comments Hmmm cool. The link's gone now :P
I hope that wasn't mean, but I always wondered about that.


message 87: by Thenia (new)

Thenia | 28 comments http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/81...

That can't be right, can it? There's one that seems to be the real one but what about that one?

Link to real one: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...

So what do we do with the "fake" one?

(Sorry, first thing as a librarian... Don't know how to handle things just yet... :/)


message 88: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 9426 comments The first one is the Kindle edition. I combined it with the other editions.


message 89: by JSWolf (new)

JSWolf | 627 comments My suggestion is that if they are the same edition of the same book, combine them and sort it out so there is only one listing.


message 90: by Thenia (new)

Thenia | 28 comments Shouldn't the title be changed, too? It's different from the other one and it doesn't fit the format


message 91: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
Corrected.

In future, please start a new thread, rather than posting in unrelated ones. And welcome!


message 92: by Sherry (new)

Sherry (ssaccoliti) | 269 comments http://www.goodreads.com/work/edition...

All sorts of things combined before NAB...

Don't have time today.


message 93: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
While not terribly useful, all the combined items appear to be NAB items, which is less of an issue.


message 94: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 9426 comments There are some with other authors still included.


message 95: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
Actually, I think that's the GR-adding-in-secondary-authors-via-B&N-issue. *sigh*


message 96: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl A reminder to librarians:

Separate before NOT A BOOKING.

The NAB profile is full of nabbed works combined with un-nabbed works.


message 97: by Susan (new)

Susan (ofearna) | 12 comments http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/85... is part of a large list of Not-a-Books (it's a calendar, so yes: not-a-book) but I can't separate it from the other 99 versions since it doesn't show up in the list when I click combine so separate. Help?


message 98: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
Why are you separating it?


message 99: by Susan (new)

Susan (ofearna) | 12 comments it's not a version of another item... just a one-of-a-kind calendar


message 100: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 30541 comments Mod
NAB items often get grouped. Since they're not getting added to user shelves, that should not be a problem.


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