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message 1: by Sandy (last edited Feb 18, 2012 08:31PM) (new)

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30.1 Ms. Anderson's Task: We Didn't Start the Fire
This is one of my all-time favorite Billy Joel songs, and in honor of it, I give you your task:

A. Go to this page - We Didn't Start the Fire - and pick ANY year with events on the list, from 1949-1989. Choose wisely--you may NOT change your year after you roll the die!

B. Roll two die to determine what books you'll read. If you roll doubles, both books must fit the same rule. Dice Roller

1. Read a book about a person/place/thing/event directly related to the person/place/event/thing mentioned in your year.
Person: Must be primary character (fiction) or main focus (nonfiction)
Event: Must be main focus
Thing: Must be main focus
Place: Must be primary setting AND take place during the year (so you can't just read a book about the history of Hungary for "Budapest")

2. Read a book by an author born during your year

3. Read a book by an author who died during your year

4. Read a book first published during your year

5. Read a book that won an award during your year

6. Read a book about a person/place/thing/event from your year

Yes, I know 1 and 6 are the same--the flame just keeps burning on!

Required: When posting, make sure you tell us what year you chose, what numbers you rolled, and any relevant information (such as author's birth/death dates, award won, and so on).


message 2: by Megan (last edited Feb 21, 2012 03:54AM) (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments When choosing your year, it might be helpful to do a little background research. Don't just look at what the song mentions happening during your year; check out who was born and who died, what kinds of awards were given, and what was published. Take a look at everything before deciding you can live with your year--it'll make it easier to pick books.

Also, rolls 1 and 6 are the same: same rules apply for both. History repeats itself, y'know?


message 3: by Megan (last edited Feb 19, 2012 12:55PM) (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Help for those who rolled 1 and/or 6:

Person
If a specific person is mentioned in your year, you can read a book by that person, a book about that person (bio, autobio, memoir), or a novel where that person is a primary character. This applies to groups of people, as well (such as "Children of Thalidomide"--you could read about what happened to them).

Place
If a specific place is mentioned in your year, you can read a book about that place, but it should also have to do with your year. Ex. "Lebanon": read a book about the crises of the late 50s in the country.

Event
If an event is mentioned in your year, then you may read a book about that event. Ex. "Trouble in the Suez": read a book about what was going on there.

Thing
If a thing is mentioned in your year, the book should be primarily about that thing. Ex. "Sputnik": read a book about the satellite going into space, the reactions, etc.

Book
If a book is mentioned in your year (or even a film/theater adaption of a book), you can read that! Ex. "Peter Pan": even though it wasn't written in 1955, since it's mentioned in that year, you could read it.

Hopefully this helps give you some ideas of things you can look for! Obviously, people and books are probably going to be the easiest to do; certain events won't be too bad, but places and things might be difficult. If you want to do a little research on possible years before you roll, that's always an option. Good luck!


message 4: by Sassafrass (last edited Feb 18, 2012 02:48PM) (new)

Sassafrass (sass-a-frass) | 896 comments I've been humming "We Didn't Start the Fire" since I read the task. Talk about an ear worm! LOL

I picked 1986 and I rolled a 1 and a 4 so:

I wanted to read Totally Tubular--takes place in 1986 when she's transported there

and Belinda which was first published in 1986.

I wanted to check on totally tubular since it's time travel but it looks like most of it occurs in the past.


message 5: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Sassafrass wrote: "I've been humming "We Didn't Start the Fire" since I read the task. Talk about an ear worm! LOL

I picked 1986 and I rolled a 1 and a 4 so:

I wanted to read Totally Tubular--takes..."


Nothing from 1986 is mentioned in the song, though. You'll need to pick a different year and reroll.


message 6: by Jayme (new)

Jayme (jaymetheghostreader) | 3014 comments You took my idea for a classroom project and turned it into a task :)


message 7: by Sassafrass (new)

Sassafrass (sass-a-frass) | 896 comments Aww crap, it would be helpful to actually READ the task! LOL, I'll look again. Nyquil is affecting my brain today!


message 8: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Sassafrass wrote: "Aww crap, it would be helpful to actually READ the task! LOL, I'll look again. Nyquil is affecting my brain today!"

No, I reread what I wrote, and I completely understand how it could be seen that way! You'd think I'd be used to going overboard by now, since I know for sure that my brain doesn't always translate clearly into, y'know, real life. I'm messaging Sandy to please clarify that now for me.


message 9: by Sassafrass (new)

Sassafrass (sass-a-frass) | 896 comments But, if I actually read the task the correct way, I would have seen that I had to pick from the List of years on the Wiki. But, thanks for making me feel less stupid! LOL


message 10: by Karen Michele (new)

Karen Michele Burns (klibrary) | 1783 comments Love it! I lucked out, too - I chose 1963 because I want to read 11/22/63 and I rolled a 6(glad you repeated #1) and a 2 for which I have lots of choices. Happy reader - good luck everyone!


message 11: by Dee (last edited Feb 18, 2012 04:28PM) (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 7781 comments i think i'm going to go with '63 as well, because the only line i remember regularly from the song is JFK blow away...

ETA - fantasticfiction is a good source for years authors were born - http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/yea... - where the x's are, put in the year


message 12: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 7781 comments I rolled a 2 and 4 - so going to go with Paullina Simmons for the author born in 1963 (which is great because I want to finish her russian trilogy out) and still deciding on the book


message 13: by Jodi (new)

Jodi (readinggirl74) | 95 comments I chose 1983:
I rolled a 1 – Does this work (Vietnam Veterans)

Shrapnel in the Heart: Letters and Remembrances from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial

Thanks!


message 14: by Kathy G. (new)

Kathy G. | 2073 comments I rolled a 1 and a 2 and chose the year 1961

How do these sound?
#1--
Green Hills Of Africa by Ernest Hemingway
***about his hunting in Africa***

#2--
Catalyst by Laurie Halse Anderson
***born in 1961***

Hope I'm doing this right.


message 15: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Jodi wrote: "I chose 1983:
I rolled a 1 – Does this work (Vietnam Veterans)

Shrapnel in the Heart: Letters and Remembrances from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial

Thanks!"


If there are letters and/or remembrances from "homeless vets" (as mentioned in the song) included in the book, then it will work. Otherwise, it won't.


message 16: by Donna Jo (new)

Donna Jo Atwood | 3157 comments I chose 1960 as it was the year I graduated from HS.
I Rolled a 1 and a 4

Would like to reread
The Poisonwood Bible for Congo independence. I'm still looking for the book published in 1960 .


message 17: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Kathy G. wrote: "I rolled a 1 and a 2 and chose the year 1961

How do these sound?
#1--
Green Hills Of Africa by Ernest Hemingway
***about his hunting in Africa***

#2--
Catalyst ..."


Both will work.


message 18: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Donna Jo wrote: "I chose 1960 as it was the year I graduated from HS.
I Rolled a 1 and a 4

Would like to reread
The Poisonwood Bible for Congo independence. I'm still looking for the book published i..."


Because it seems to be primarily about the instability of the region in the time frame of the year, I will accept it.


message 19: by Donna Jo (new)

Donna Jo Atwood | 3157 comments Ms Anderson wrote: "Donna Jo wrote: "I chose 1960 as it was the year I graduated from HS.
I Rolled a 1 and a 4

Would like to reread
The Poisonwood Bible for Congo independence. I'm still looking for the..."


Thanks


message 20: by Kathy G. (new)

Kathy G. | 2073 comments Thank you!


message 21: by KSMary (last edited Feb 18, 2012 06:52PM) (new)

KSMary | 839 comments Can we read an award winning play for the year we chose if we rolled a 5?


message 22: by mstan (new)

mstan | 876 comments I chose 1961 and rolled a 3 and 6. I'm reading A Moveable Feast and The Wall Jumper: A Berlin Story (I hope that the Berlin Wall can count as a 'thing'!).


message 23: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 7781 comments even if it doesn't work for a thing, I would assume the berlin wall going up was a significant event ;)


message 24: by ★Meghan★ (last edited Feb 18, 2012 08:19PM) (new)

★Meghan★ (starinheaven) | 832 comments I chose 1983...
I rolled 1 & 3...
I am assuming that a book that features someone who is addicted to crack/cocaine would work for 1?
Would you take addicted to meth?

I am still trying to see if I might be able to get a hold of a book for 3...


message 25: by Coralie (new)

Coralie | 2176 comments I am having difficulty finding a book that won an award in 1952. Apart from the Pulitzer and the Newbury, what literary awards were given that year?


message 26: by Randi (new)

Randi (mrsrandimoulton) | 256 comments I chose 1988 (year I was born) and rolled a 6 & 1. The only event from my year is this: "Hypodermics on the shore: Medical waste was found washed up on beaches in New Jersey after being illegally dumped at sea. Before this event, waste dumped in the oceans was an "out of sight, out of mind" affair. This has been cited as one of the crucial turning points in popular opinion on environmentalism."

So can I choose a book about environmentalism and ... I'm lost on the second book? If I chose a book about New Jersey, it would have to take place in 1988?


message 27: by mstan (new)

mstan | 876 comments Dee wrote: "even if it doesn't work for a thing, I would assume the berlin wall going up was a significant event ;)"

I wasn't sure if I chose 'event', the book would have to focus on the construction of the Wall or events following that... but yes, I think it should work for either event or thing ;)


message 28: by Jayme (new)

Jayme (jaymetheghostreader) | 3014 comments You want to hear something funny? I totally misunderstood the rock and roll and cola wars line and I thought it said rock and roll and color wars :)


message 29: by Jennifer W (new)

Jennifer W | 471 comments Love this task (and the song!) and have also been playing it in my mind since I saw the task!

I chose 1957 and rolled a 3 and 6.

For 3 I'm probably going to use The Last Temptation of Christ as Nikos Kazantzakis died that year.

For 6, can the "event" include the aftermath? I was thinking of using the integration of the Little Rock school and reading Elizabeth and Hazel: Two Women of Little Rock (if not, I'm sure I can find another book about the integration, so no worries).

Thanks!


message 30: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments KSMary wrote: "Can we read an award winning play for the year we chose if we rolled a 5?"

Yes, plays and poetry will count as long as they fit the other rules of the challenge (like 100+ pages).

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mstan wrote: "I chose 1961 and rolled a 3 and 6. I'm reading A Moveable Feast and The Wall Jumper: A Berlin Story (I hope that the Berlin Wall can count as a 'thing'!)."

Hmm...well, technically the line in the song is "Berlin," but it's referring to the wall, so it'd be a "place," not a "thing." If you go with the "place" idea, it'd have to be mainly set in Berlin in 1961. If you go with the "event," it'd need to be about the construction of the Berlin Wall in 1961. So unless "The Wall Jumper" spends most of the time talking about the Wall being built or takes place mostly in '61, it won't work for this.

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★Meghan★ wrote: "I chose 1983...
I rolled 1 & 3...
I am assuming that a book that features someone who is addicted to crack/cocaine would work for 1?
Would you take addicted to meth?

I am still trying to see if I ..."


It needs to be what was mentioned in the song. However, crack probably has a bunch of slang names, too, so you might use one of those to look up books.

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Randi wrote: "I chose 1988 (year I was born) and rolled a 6 & 1. The only event from my year is this: "Hypodermics on the shore: Medical waste was found washed up on beaches in New Jersey after being illegally d..."

Yeah, the book would have to take place in '88 in NJ. It might be possible to find a book specifically about the waste washing up and the effects on the people in the area, too.

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Jennifer W wrote: "Love this task (and the song!) and have also been playing it in my mind since I saw the task!

I chose 1957 and rolled a 3 and 6.

For 3 I'm probably going to use [book:The Last Temptation of Chris..."


The book should primarily be about the event; if the aftermath comes up in the book, too, that would be okay, as long as the book is mostly about the actual event mentioned.


message 31: by Dee (new)

Dee (austhokie) | 7781 comments national book award - http://www.nationalbook.org/nba1952.h...

is the only other award I found for 1952

Coralie wrote: "I am having difficulty finding a book that won an award in 1952. Apart from the Pulitzer and the Newbury, what literary awards were given that year?"


message 32: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Coralie wrote: "I am having difficulty finding a book that won an award in 1952. Apart from the Pulitzer and the Newbury, what literary awards were given that year?"

Edgar Award: Strangle Hold
National Book Award: From Here to Eternity
Pulitzer (Poetry): Collected Poems
Pulitzer (Play): The Shrike (need to check for length)
Pulitzer (History): The Uprooted
Carnegie Medal: The Borrowers
Jewish Book Award: Quiet Street

If you type in "literary awards 1952," that will give you some ideas, as well. You might need to dig a bit.


message 33: by mstan (new)

mstan | 876 comments Yikes back to the drawing board then. I am having a hard time finding any book set in Berlin in 1961, or about the construction of the wall.


message 34: by Dlmrose (last edited Feb 19, 2012 06:31AM) (new)

Dlmrose | 18020 comments Mod
mstan wrote: "Yikes back to the drawing board then. I am having a hard time finding any book set in Berlin in 1961, or about the construction of the wall."

I picked 1961 and the Berlin Wall- I found Secret Father. I think it works (?), but I'm looking for some alternates as well


message 35: by mstan (new)

mstan | 876 comments Thanks Dlmrose. I might end up reading that but it's not normally the genre I enjoy so I am hoping for more alternates. Any further help/recs would be welcome!


message 36: by Judy (new)

Judy | 926 comments I chose the year 1952 and rolled 3,3 - books by 2 authors that died that year.

According to fantasticfiction.co.uk, authors Jeffery Farnol and Marjorie Bowen died that year

Will you approve My Lady Caprice by Farnol and The viper of Milan; a romance of Lombardy for Bowen?

They are both public domain e-books, I'll get them approved for length.

Thanks!


message 37: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments mstan wrote: "Thanks Dlmrose. I might end up reading that but it's not normally the genre I enjoy so I am hoping for more alternates. Any further help/recs would be welcome!"

Secret Father will work. I'll see if I can find any others that will, too.

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Judy wrote: "I chose the year 1952 and rolled 3,3 - books by 2 authors that died that year.

According to fantasticfiction.co.uk, authors Jeffery Farnol and Marjorie Bowen died that year

Will you approve [..."


As long as they're approved for length, they'd be fine.


message 38: by Bea (new)

Bea | 4156 comments I chose 1951 and rolled a 1 and a 4. Since I already wanted to read The Catcher in the Rye for a different challenge, I will slot it in for the 4. That was the easy part.

Now for the challenge...if I read a book about espionage, does it have to be set in the 50's or can it be any story of espionage. (I am assuming the particular book will need review in this thread.)

Or could I choose a book about Broadway, the Korean War, or the h-bomb in general or do I need to look for 1951 to be the time frame no matter the topic?


message 39: by Sam (new)

Sam | 175 comments I went with 1963 & rolled a 2 & a 6 so I just wanted to check the following

2. Immoralby Brian Freeman- Born in 1963
6.11/22/63- Stephen King


message 40: by Randi (new)

Randi (mrsrandimoulton) | 256 comments I've been searching for a book about the syringe tide, and I found it several places that it was "the basis for Barbara Ehrenreich’s The Great Syringe Tide," but I cannot find the book via GR (it's not listed on her author's page) or even her website. It's very strange. Aside from that, I found The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao which has New Jersey listed as one of its settings, and via Wikipedia, apparently part of the book covers 1988 in NJ. Not sure if this is specific enough since it seems to cover several years and three settings.


message 41: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Bea wrote: "I chose 1951 and rolled a 1 and a 4. Since I already wanted to read The Catcher in the Rye for a different challenge, I will slot it in for the 4. That was the easy part.

Now for the ..."


You could read a book about the Rosenbergs, the script for The King and I, a book about the development of the H-bomb, or a book mainly about the peace talks at the end of Korean War. A general book about espionage won't work since the line from the song is specifically "Rosenbergs"--the same goes for "The King and I," so general "Broadway" won't work.

Alternately, you could read "Catcher in the Rye" for 1 and find another book published in 1951 for 4.

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Sam wrote: "I went with 1963 & rolled a 2 & a 6 so I just wanted to check the following

2. Immoralby Brian Freeman- Born in 1963
6.11/22/63- Stephen King"


Looks good!

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Randi wrote: "I've been searching for a book about the syringe tide, and I found it several places that it was "the basis for Barbara Ehrenreich’s The Great Syringe Tide," but I cannot find the book via GR (it's..."

I think that might be an essay by her from a larger book (from what I saw when I looked it up). If most of Oscar Wao is about the "hypodermics on the shore," then it'll be fine.


message 42: by Vicky (new)

Vicky (librovert) | 243 comments I chose 1955 and rolled 5, 6. I want to use Peter Pan for my person and while I assume the original Peter and Wendy novel would work, I wanted to double check on these books as options:

Peter and the Starcatchers - A list on Wikipedia called this an unofficial prequel, but the description makes this seem like more of a retelling than anything else. It seems like it takes place on a ship named Never Land, where Peter is the leader of a group of orphans being sent to work as servants in a King's court.

Peter Pan in Scarlet - This is the "official" sequel to Peter Pan authorized by the group that hold the copyright to Peter Pan.


message 43: by Bea (new)

Bea | 4156 comments Ms Anderson wrote: "Alternately, you could read "Catcher in the Rye" for 1 and find another book published in 1951 for 4"

Oh, great idea!

I will read The Catcher in the Rye for part 1 and The Sabbath for 4.


message 44: by Sandy (new)

Sandy | 16393 comments Mod
Bea wrote: "I chose 1951 and rolled a 1 and a 4. Since I already wanted to read The Catcher in the Rye for a different challenge, I will slot it in for the 4. That was the easy part.

Now for the ..."


I also picked 1951 - didn't roll a 1 or a 6, but if I had, I had thought about reading A Streetcar Named Desire or When Blanche Met Brando: The Scandalous Story of "A Streetcar Named Desire", since one of the events was Streetcar Named Desire winning an Oscar.


message 45: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Vicky wrote: "I chose 1955 and rolled 5, 6. I want to use Peter Pan for my person and while I assume the original Peter and Wendy novel would work, I wanted to double check on these books as options:

[book:Pet..."


The movie Peter Pan was based off the musical/play, which was based off the original book. The other two were written way after the movie came out. Because of this, I'm going to say stick to the source material. If you wanted to read the novel or the play, you could, but no modern retellings/prequels/sequels.


message 46: by Becky (new)

Becky (ragamuffin_child) | 68 comments For books that win awards, can finalists count, or does it have to be the actual award-winner?


message 47: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Becky wrote: "For books that win awards, can finalists count, or does it have to be the actual award-winner?"

I'll count finalists, because I know that, at least for Newbery Honor books, they get the little sticker/medal, too.


message 48: by Sue (last edited Feb 20, 2012 03:14PM) (new)

Sue (suetinge) | 1515 comments My year is 1983 and I rolled a 2 and 6. Will And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic work for AIDS?


message 49: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1481 comments Sue T wrote: "My year is 1984 and I rolled a 6 and a 2. Will And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic work for AIDS?"

"AIDS" is from 1983. However, it would work for "AIDS" if you made a typo and meant 1983.


message 50: by Sue (new)

Sue (suetinge) | 1515 comments Ms Anderson wrote: "Sue T wrote: "My year is 1984 and I rolled a 6 and a 2. Will And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic work for AIDS?"

"AIDS" is from 1983. However, it would wor..."


Yes, I meant 1983.


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