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The first one looks like a library, and those should be fine.
Open Library is one of the places we are now importing from.
Createspace is the publisher of that book, so that should be fine too.
Brian wrote: "can you provide a link to the edition that you created? that one for sure shouldn't be marked as at risk for deletion, but it looks like you may have uncovered a bug...if someone creates a NEW edition and combines with a work that's at risk for deletion, we may not update the status correctly.... "The following four books are marked in the rescue list as "may be deleted" even though they all should be listed as "may be merged". I believe the new editions were crated anywhere from 24 to 72 hours ago.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/71...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63...
This is beyond frustrating. There are over 100 books on my "to be rescued" list. One of these is a book that I added to the database manually, I took a picture, I uploaded. I have this book, it's 30-some years old. I doubt it is even ON amazon. So good reads has decided that I am not reliable, but where in the world am I going to find another source for a 30-some-year-old kid's paperback? I mean really. I recently (last 6 months) added the rest of my read list to GR. And my 100 to be rescued are pretty much from those books. Believe me, I would NOT have made the effort to add them, take and upload pics for ones I had, if I had a CLUE I was not reliable and they would be deleted if not in the new mystery database. FOUL.
Dree wrote: "This is beyond frustrating. There are over 100 books on my "to be rescued" list. One of these is a book that I added to the database manually, I took a picture, I uploaded. I have this book, it's 3..."Dree, it is possible that your data was overridden by Amazon data at some point. Can you provide links so we can take a look?
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rivka wrote: "A. wrote: "are the following..."thanks
It is this book: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11...Sorry for the not-great picture, I am not a photographer, unfortunately lol.
OK, so Dree, your cover is definitely sourced to you:http://www.goodreads.com/book/edits/1...
The main thing putting it on the "at risk" list is the author name. For books like this, your cover and all the fields you have entered are completely safe. We provide the rescue link to save the other fields.
Mayanka wrote: "OK, so Dree, your cover is definitely sourced to you:http://www.goodreads.com/book/edits/1...
The main thing putting it on the "at risk" list is the author name. For books li..."
And since the photo is yours, you can look at it and see the author. Hence, that is your info, too.
Mayanka wrote: "OK, so Dree, your cover is definitely sourced to you:http://www.goodreads.com/book/edits/1...
The main thing putting it on the "at risk" list is the author name. For books li..."
Also, isn't "I own the book" mentioned on the rescue page as a valid source of information?
Possibly useful link:www.isbnlib.com
I'm finding a lot of very complete listings here (with covers) for a lot of books that weren't showing up in worldcat.
Dree, I know I have some books that might be in the same situation.I have a question: What's going to happen to the book/author links we've created at reviews or in group posts or pms? If the book is deleted what will those look like?!
Jennifer E. wrote: "Possibly useful link:www.isbnlib.com
I'm finding a lot of very complete listings here (with covers) for a lot of books that weren't showing up in worldcat."
Thank you, Jennifer. This is the only site that had the info I needed to rescue a book...other than a bookseller, that is.
Does anybody know when Goodreads is going to do their big import?The sooner it's done before the 30th the more librarians/members will know which books we REALLY, REALLY need to focus on saving.
Thanks.
MissJessie wrote: "It's going now."Thanks, MissJessie! Good to know!
Lisa wrote: "MissJessie wrote: "It's going now."Thanks, MissJessie! Good to know!"
We've actually got several big imports from different sources going on all at once. Ingram is just one of them. We've put pretty much everyone on this to meet Amazon's deadline, so things are changing quickly.
I've been trying to rescue books from the general list, but I'm noticing that my page isn't really refreshing - I keep getting the same batch of books. I've taken Rivka's advice above, and waited - minutes, hours - before accessing the list again, but I still get the same batch of books, which are all now either in a foreign language or books I can't get any info on.Help?
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I've tried that - even tried emptying my cache and then restarting...ETA: I've just tried it in Firefox, which runs through a proxy and I never use it for GR. Same batch showing up...
Jennifer E. wrote: "I've tried that - even tried emptying my cache and then restarting..."this is the url you're going to?: http://www.goodreads.com/rescue_books...
and if you try rescuing one of them (if you can...i suppose it's difficult if they're in a language unfamiliar to you?), does it still show up?
Yes, that's the URL. The ones I rescue go away, but the ones that remain never refresh - so I'm stuck with only the foreign language/no source books. (If I hit refresh several times in a row, I'll get a new book I can rescue to replace the one I finished rescuing, but you can see how that's not ideal...)
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ETA: I've just tried it in Firefox, which runs through a proxy and I never use it for GR. Same batch showing up..."
O_O That's just weird.
Have you tried logging out of GR and back in?
Nope - I'll try that now. But I did try logging in fresh with FireFox (I never use it for GR), and I still got the same books over and over again.Logging out now...
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I'm back. No dice. Same books.GR must REALLY want me to rescue those books! lol
Jennifer E. wrote: "I'm back. No dice. Same books.GR must REALLY want me to rescue those books! lol"
Jennifer, we're really sorry this is happening and we truly appreciate your enthusiasm and determination. Mayanka should take a look at this tomorrow and hopefully we figure out what's going on. The only thing I can think of is that Mayanka, Rivka and I all have employee status so there's a slim chance there's something working slightly different for you versus us...but that'd be weird (which this is).
No worries! I'll check in on and off for the rest of the afternoon (it's 2.15 on Wed. here) and see if I can get a few new books to show up. Now that I found a good source (isbnlib.com) it's pretty easy and quick to rescue once I can get a new book to show up. :)
I will just add that my list ALWAYS ends with this book:http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11...
which is listed as "rescued, thank you". The order of all the other books changes quite a bit (although the titles don't) but that book is aways the very last one displayed.
It's such a consistent behaviour that I thought I'd point it out.
The same thing is happening to me, with exact same book showing last every time on my list too.I tried logging out and opening a new browser session, and still got the same results.
vicki_girl wrote: "The same thing is happening to me, with exact same book showing last every time on my list too.I tried logging out and opening a new browser session, and still got the same results."
The plot thickens. I wonder if you and I are seeing some of the same books throughout our lists as well.
Jennifer E. wrote: "I will just add that my list ALWAYS ends with this book:http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11...
which is listed as "rescued, thank you". The order of all the other books cha..."
That really is weird. Cause my books on the list have stopped changing properly as well & my list ends with that exact same book and has for a while now.
ETA: It's also telling me it's rescued now which it didn't before.
Same here. This worked yesterday, but I guess it doesn't now.. hmmm
I've been able to combine some books, so they should show as in danger of being merged but they're still showing as in danger of being deleted. So, is there a caching issue for that situation? Thanks.
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Actually, it's a bug we're working on. (We thought we had it licked, but the fix didn't do the trick.)
GR should probably remove all the Amazon radio buttons under search.
rivka wrote: "Actually, it's a bug we're working on. (We thought we had it licked, but the fix didn't do the trick.)"Thanks, Rivka. Does that mean the edits went through and are not showing or does that mean our rescues of books did not work?
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I'm afraid a fix will have to wait until tomorrow. It's been a really long day for the GR staff, especially our developers who have been working tirelessly on a slew of imports!
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The former. You can go to the editions page of any book and see exactly what sources each edition has (make sure you have expand all clicked).
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Yup. In the next release, I think.
I'm confused... in the FAQ, Google Books is now listed as an unacceptable resource, whereas in an earlier message we were told it was okay to use as a last resort. Which is it, and if it's the former, what happens to all the books that have been rescued by using Google Books?
I Gotta say, this is beyond frustating...I come back from my holidays to find out I have a week to re-add half of my book collection, which I've been adding for almost a year, just because GR is not using Amazon anymore? What's the point? Can't this meassure apply starting now instead of deleting or merging a lot of books (which are probably right)?
When I added my books I corrected the wrong info and left the right one, so the only tedious operation I have to do is re-add information for over 150 books, which most of the times have the same source ( http://agencia.librosar.com.ar/portal... for books from Argentina), or lose all the work I've done. And it takes A LOT of time for something that I had already done (improving the database we as users helped build and you are now destroying).
This is really a very bad move, this kind of things alienates users for no good reason (I'm not criticising dropping Amazon but the way it's being done)
So if a book isn't published yet and so we can't buy it and the publisher's website doesn't have it yet, do we just have to wait til the book is released to re-add it manually?
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That's actually not what Otis said, although I think I see why you read his post that way. He said that we don't currently have a contract with them but "it's possible we can negotiate a license down the road." (emphasis mine)
Google Books is NOT an ok source.
As for what happens to books rescued with problematic sources, someone else will have to answer that.
Trikis, I'm not sure GR had a lot of choice. As far as I've been able to understand, it's Amazon who is imposing this deadline on GR rather than the other way around. Assuming that the deadline was set in stone, what should they (GR) have done instead?
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Rebecca, did you check the author's website?
Rivka, you're right - I misread :(Well, that sucks, I've rescued a number of books using that as a source, and I know others have as well. I don't even know how to start going about finding those books again, so I hope Otis or Patrick will be back with a reply to this.
rivka wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "So if a book isn't published yet and so we can't buy it and the publisher's website doesn't have it yet, do we just have to wait til the book is released to re-add it manually?"Re..."
I've also found that WorldCat has a lot of to-be-published books in their database (as long as an ISBN has been assigned).
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UPDATE: michael, it looks like william found the same bug you did and fixed it. i'm not sure when the at-risk data will be cleaned up, but at least it shouldn't happen again! (er, once we do another release, probably tonight)