Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Maybe because vampires are supposed to be scary not handsome or sparkly.
Booksrlife wrote: "Maybe because vampires are supposed to be scary not handsome or sparkly."And u r supposed to be afraid of them not go aroung falling in love with them.
I still have a soft spot for Twilight, but the love triangle is very screwed up. Its executed poorly. You have the "handsome" stalker vampire and the controlling "handsome" werewolf. I do get annoyed with the constant joke that everything is better love story than Twilight, but I get the dislike over. I also can't stand Kristen Stewart, her acting is terrible. The Host was much better and her writing improved in that one. I prefer Jasper and Alice's romance over the Edward/Bella/Jacob triangle, and would love for her to write a book about them.
I did like the different types of vampires in Breaking Dawn, but the ending was a copout with all the death just being a premonition from Alice and no one really dies.
One more thing, people have had bad experiences when they read books that are overhyped and Twilight tends to be overhyped. The storyline is a bit cliche too: love triangle and girl falling for sexy immortal guy. Its good but not great. Of course its just my opinion.
OK, since many ppl are fans I don't express my hate in public. But yes, the book kills time although it is rather plotless. ( In my own opinion.)
I loved the first book and was expecting great thing for the rest of the series (didn't happened) as for the movies the only great thing to come out of it was the music ..the actors are not that great (good looking)but that's it
Well Meyer is far from a literary genius, but so are many authors. Sparkling vampires is also bound to P-off a lot of people, but I don't think that's the main reason either.The main reason for the series' bad reputation is almost certainly the immature and often disturbing portrayal of "love." A deliberately bland protagonist has all the guys throwing themselves at her for literally no explained reason, and the main two are literally inhuman wet fantasies of an immature girl, who exist only to feed into the shallow sexual desires and egos of the young female readers. The fact that said fantasy involves these guys acting overly controlling to a point that in real life would raise red flags for abuse doesn't help.
To say nothing of Sam and Emily's relationship, which IS violently abusive (he mauls her face when she suggests they break up and as a result she stays with him, because he's "sorry" and they're "soul mates," much like the abusive parents of a friend I had in high school).
The fact that Bella is incompetent to the point of passing out because she "forgot to breath" (direct quote) while kissing Edward also makes the series extremely difficult to take seriously.
EDIT: I somehow also forgot the fact that Bella is overall a shallow, selfish person. She only cares about people who are physically beautiful and "special." She manipulates Jacob's feelings in "Twilight" to get information on the Cullens, and later in the series she leads him on romantically because she's too immature to break up with one boyfriend before experimenting with another. *To be fair,* I do recall her showing a glimmer of empathy in the first part of "New Moon," as she worries about Jacob when the other boys seem to be indoctrinating him into some mysterious cult; but that's about it. She has no problem with the Vultori killing tourists in Italy and makes no effort to warn or save anyone who isn't a personal friend of hers. And with the exception of Jacob at the start of "New Moon," even that group doesn't receive any thought from her unless they are physically beautiful and magically special. She is dismissive of every average human who tries to befriend her, while hounding the Cullens to let her join them in their everlasting beauty and immortality. Bella is materialistic and selfish.
That said, I personally like some aspects of Meyer's vampires (the unique mental powers) and many of her side characters.
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"This has got to be it. Women are jealous that they can't have a brooding, perpetually depressed man who obsesses over them to the point of psychological abuse, and men are jealous that they can't have an emotionless girl who passes out when kissing because she literally forgets to breath when doing something else with her mouth.
I think it's mainly because it's so popular. People wouldn't really care to hate on it if it wasn't. Teenage girls went CRAZY over it, and people found that to be excessive and annoying. They thought it wasn't good enough to deserve all the popularity and hype it got. They found it cheesy (I personally thought it was okay). And then I think it became a trend not to like Twilight, just like it had been one to like it. It became cool to find it annoying.
CA you make a good point. There are plenty of books far worse than Twilight but far fewer people know about them.
well I for one am a twilight fan. I have read all four books and watched all of the movies.
To me hating it because it's popular is only part of the hatred of the book series. I don't hate it, but I don't love it like I use to. The book series has quite a bit of flaws and certain ideas of hers weren't executed in a good way. Of course, either way, Stephanie Meyer is the one making the big bucks whether we hate the book series or not. The book isn't as great as a lot of other book series out there are, and I think that's other reason for the hatred for the book series. It's probably unfair to hate the book, but that's where the hating it because its popular comes in. It can quite frustrating that something that doesn't have the best quality is ten times more popular than something with far better quality. NOT to say the Twilight series is that bad, but I have read better material. Just my opinion, mind you.
I really liked the books when I read them, but after a little while I just started thinking more and more and it's just unrealistic. Like a vampire and a living human being can't get a child togheter that's just sound stupid. I know it is fictional, but still..
I think it's because of Bella. She is a character without any strong characteristic. She is passive throughout the books and the movie and that makes her boring. She doesn't take risks and she depends on Edward to save her.For me it doesn't make sense that the entire Cullen Clan risks their life for someone like Bella.
Michaela wrote: "I think it's because of Bella. She is a character without any strong characteristic. She is passive throughout the books and the movie and that makes her boring. She doesn't take risks and she depends on Edward to save her.For me it doesn't make sense that the entire Cullen Clan risks their life for someone like Bella. "
That's a curious statement. What kind of changes would have to happen to the character before you could see others risking their lives for her? How would she be different?
Bella always a helpless damsel. The only thing she takes a stand on is she won't choose between Edward and Jacob. Most people are interested in strong females who won't play the damsel in distress, not female characters who solely depend on the guy. Personally, I'm not a fan of a female character who is only about her guy. To me it felt like Bella only had a life when she started dating Edward.
Jackie wrote: "Bella always a helpless damsel. The only thing she takes a stand on is she won't choose between Edward and Jacob. Most people are interested in strong females who won't play the damsel in distress,..."That trait of Bella's is awful to be sure, but it's really just the icing on the cake of why she's not well liked. Look
how she plays poor Jacob. Look how she treats her Dad and classmates and basically anyone who isn't a beautiful vampire or werewolf. Look at how she judges people to their looks or minor actions and her shallow, immature idea of love.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer strong heroines. But I can think of plenty of damsels who are still likable, unlike Bella (Snow White, Princess Buttercup, etc) because st least they're decent people.
I think that one of the reasons why it is so hated is because she focuses on the wrong characters. You have Rosalie killing her rapists, Jasper taking part in a vampire civil war, Alice being in an asylum, and Leah is the only female werewolf for some reason. All of these characters' stories would be infinitely more interesting than Bella's. And Bella was the flimsiest self-insert character ever too, so there's that.
Jackie wrote: "Bella always a helpless damsel.... Most people are interested in strong females who won't play the damsel in distress, not female characters who solely depend on the guy. Personally, I'm not a fan of a female character who is only about her guy. To me it felt like Bella only had a life when she started dating Edward. "Bella is definitely a modern-day rule-breaker. This is part of her charm. I think women growing up now have gotten used to heavily idealized BAMF characters and "role models" that they don't know what to do with a regular person in a story if she is a female. (What do you means she's not the strongest/smartest/fastest? Then she's worthless!) What I don't think a lot of them realize is that in holding female characters to standards actually devalues female characters. Saying that a woman who can not physically compete with vampires and werewolves is a "damsel in distress" and is a "bad character" is putting an extra hurdle on female characters to jump.
An "everywoman" character being a problem shows that the culture has a problem with the idea of female weakness. By encouraging and creating unrealistic "strong" females, people get the message that it is acceptable to denigrate other women who do not fit the "strong" template. This shows up more in a YA setting because younger women don't have enough experience to understand the reality of the situation and are more susceptible to thinking there are "rules" that women are supposed to follow such as "They aren't supposed to be "all about their men"." Or "They should put their career first". This has been really common around here, and it is something that you don't see much on grown-up boards about grown-up books.
I don't have a problem with everyday females, but Bella rubs me the wrong way. Poor Jacob? I wouldn't say "poor Jacob" to me he is controlling, Edward is too. Jacob in Eclipse put her in a position where she had no choice but to kiss him, because he was going to kill himself. I used to be team Edward, but if I reread the books I would pick neither Edward or Jacob. Also I just said I'm not about a fan of female being, not that its supposed to be that way. I try avoid books where the female is like that. That's just a personal preference. I'm a 28 year old reader who read Twilight a long time ago and there are grown up readers who have Twilight having both positive and negative feelings towards.
They say Bella is to weak. That as doesn't stick up for herself and that the relationship betweeen her and Edward is creepy cos if the age difference. They compare it to The Vampire Diaries and say that vampires shouldn't sparkle in the sun and that it's gay. They think Bella should be more like a badass and that she shouldn't have married Edward so he would sleep with her because it's sending the wrong message to young woman. They say that the ending was crap because it isn't realistic cos no one died and they think that Bella is a weakling cos if how she reacted when Edward left her in New Moon. That is why people hate twulight and I'm sure there are more reasons but I can't think of them rn. X
Somewhat of an inversion of the Bella/Edward relationship can be seen in the movie Hotel Transylvania. The difference is in which partner is the vampire and which is the human. Because the female in the movie is a vampire, it is considered okay for the male to marvel at her vampire skills. In fact, this unequal footing is part of the new template that's considered acceptable. The female impresses the male with her fighting skills or brains or professional acumen. What's underlying this is the idea that she is not equal to begin with and that she must make up for her femaleness by being these other things while the male has nothing to make up for. This makes her characteristics worthy, not her. You can see this message in a lot of stories. Hermione Granger? Smartest witch of her generation! Ron Weasley? Neither the smartest nor the strongest. He can just be himself-have a little problem with his family's poverty or Harry's celebrity. That's okay. He doesn't need to be a role model. He doesn't have to prove himself worthy. These separate standards do not work in women's favor, nor are they meant to. Limiting the range of female characters to an "acceptable" image" or to a set of acceptable characteristics hurts women. There's nothing wrong with a "weak" female character or a "damsel in distress" or a "everywoman" character. There is something wrong with the idea that there is.
Jackie wrote: " Also I just said I'm not about a fan of female being, not that its supposed to be that way. I try avoid books where the female is like that. That's just a personal preference."Except it's not just a personal preference of yours. It's something that is being taught- when girls are taught and encouraged to see "damsels in distress" as lesser characters. This isn't some deeply reflective and highly personal position you are taking but one that is very mainstream.
This book actually challenges the necessity for a BAMF female and the idea that girls are not worthy on their own but must display certain characteristics (strength, independence, intelligence) for people to care about them. It gets heat because it is so far from the usual template we are given: a physically dominating female who impresses everyone. I think it's a good idea to have female characters who are more nuanced. I'm in favor of everywomen characters and female characters who have faults and blindspots. I would like to hear a defense that adequately discusses how women are served by limiting the characters we read in books to unrealistic BAMF characters.
Jackie wrote: "I don't have a problem with everyday females, but Bella rubs me the wrong way. Poor Jacob? I wouldn't say "poor Jacob" to me he is controlling, Edward is too. Jacob in Eclipse put her in a position..."I meant poor Jacob in the first two books. I know he becomes a creep later on. I stopped being Team Jacob when he fell in love with an infant.
Anyway, the suicide threat is another thing wrong with the series. The whole thing is packed with psychological abuse and at least one case of physical abuse. (I had a friend in high school whose mom wouldn't divorce her abusive father because he was her "soul mate," much like Emily staying with Sam after he mauled her face.)
The sad thing is that Meyer has some good stuff with her vampires' mental powers, and interesting characters like Alice and Rosalie. Had the characters' glaring flaws been addressed as such that too could've been very interesting. Edward's past even gives him reason to be creepily controlling; what great character development there could've been had that been addressed. The whole series is wasted potential IMO.
I love the films better than the books any one agree
Courteney wrote: "I love the films better than the books any one agree"Yes and no. I find the movie easier to get through because it cuts out a lot of the pointless crap from the book and pulls the events from the book together better in a way that makes more sense. Meyer always seemed like she only remembered that her books needed a plot last minute, so she haphazardly threw something together. Like with Eclipse, the movie establishes Riley as a character early on as someone who went missing who used to live in Forks — that's a smart move on the movie's part because it makes his presence later at the end less random like it was in the book. In the book as I said it seems like she remembered that there was an actual plot last minute due to the climax/action not occurring until the last 2 or 3 chapters from the book, and in Eclipse Riley seems like a character she just threw in randomly. So in places like that the movie is superior.
However the movies work off the assumption that the viewers have read the book so though a lot of unnecessary crap was taken out, so was actual necessary crap. Whenever someone would review the movies and point out logical fallacies, the comments would always be filled with people saying it's explained in the books, and that thinking is very wrong because a movie is supposed to be its stand alone entity — the explanations should be in there, reading the book shouldn't be a requirement for seeing a movie. Plus it's not like there really was that much going on in the books for such necessary exposition to be cut out.
That's pretty much the movie's failing, that and the acting it's seriously horrendous. Out of the main three the best actor was Taylor Lautner and that's only because he played himself, nothing to do with his acting skills, in fact everytime he had to portray something that was outside of himself such as anger it was cringy to watch. The actors for Bella and Edwards were just painful to watch — seriously how long does it take to get out a sentence. A lot of the movie run time could be cut if they get out full sentences with out the brooding and stuttering, but then again that crap is actually in the books so...
Overall I can get through the movies again, I can't get through the books again, so I guess they're better?
Liz wrote: "Jackie wrote: "I don't have a problem with everyday females, but Bella rubs me the wrong way. Poor Jacob? I wouldn't say "poor Jacob" to me he is controlling, Edward is too. Jacob in Eclipse put he..."The one aspect in the last book I liked were the different types of vampires. Out of the whole series the only characters I liked were Alice, Jasper, and Rosalie somewhat.
Courteney wrote: "I love the films better than the books any one agree"I have only fully read and watched the first two books/movies, but I agree the movies are far better, because they aren't limited to Bella's POV. Just for one example, it was far more interesting to see Charlie hunting for the strange giant "dogs" and trying to solve the mysterious murders than the books, where it was just pages of Bella Edwarding-out with offhand mentions of her dad's work.
I also watched the battle scene from "Breaking Dawn" on YouTube, and from what I understand about the book, they did a good job working in a climax that was both satisfying to watch as well as true to the books.
My friends and I did kind of lose it when Edward's floating upper body appeared in the movies. Those scenes were impossible to take seriously.
Jackie wrote: "Liz wrote: "Jackie wrote: "I don't have a problem with everyday females, but Bella rubs me the wrong way. Poor Jacob? I wouldn't say "poor Jacob" to me he is controlling, Edward is too. Jacob in Ec..."I just really loved how a person's mental strengths became supernatural powers as a vampire. That was really cool.
i honestly don't even know, i mean in my opinion, twilight is an amazing book. i think mostly Harry Potter fans hate on it? Because Robert plays in Harry Potter too. i have a bunch of friends who love Harry Potter and they hate on twilight
I like twilight. I had only read the first book in the series and I found that a little boring. There is no action in the entire book.
I enjoyed the books. I have been shocked and awed by peoples ability to take something I enjoyed and twist it into something ugly. I liked Bella, because she seemed more real to me then a lot of characters. She has flaws. She reminds me of Sansa Stark. (Only Sansa is totally a girly girl- and the first thing she wants to do is get married to her prince)
C.A. wrote: "I think it's mainly because it's so popular. People wouldn't really care to hate on it if it wasn't. Teenage girls went CRAZY over it, and people found that to be excessive and annoying. They thoug..."I'm a 70 year old male retired college professor and published novelist and I absolutely love this series. Taylor Swift did a song that is a simple truth that works here, people love to throw rocks at things that shine. Envy is the leading cause. How could any hate worthy series have addicted so many readers and sold so many millions of copies other than it was well done and timely.
I think it was much different at first. It was very well liked. But it’s been over done. Over talked about. Over spoofed. People just need to get on with their lives and quit complaining and hating. It was a beautiful romance story.
Tim wrote: "C.A. wrote: "I think it's mainly because it's so popular. People wouldn't really care to hate on it if it wasn't. Teenage girls went CRAZY over it, and people found that to be excessive and annoyin..."So you've never disliked a book or movie that was popular with other people, unless you were jealous of it's success?
Carrie wrote: "I think it was much different at first. It was very well liked. But it’s been over done. Over talked about. Over spoofed. People just need to get on with their lives and quit complaining and hating..."Thank you Carrie. I really can't stand that joke about how everything is a better love story than Twilight. People need to move on. I do get the dislike as it's not the greatest love story, the two love interests aren't that great either, it's not the best written story, and Bella is not the best heroine in world--and no, I don't dislike her because she's flawed or because she's not a tough girl. Scarlet O'Hara from Gone with the Wind and Nesta from ACOTAR are two of my favorite characters. Belle from Beauty and the Beast and Jane Eyre are also two my favorite characters, with the exception of possibly Nesta, none of these characters are tough girls and are flawed. I also think people have a problem with her approach to vampires. I still have a soft for the story, especially since it was the second series that made an impression on me after Harry Potter.
When the films first came out, it was mostly bandwagon. And then, it was people who dislike/hate YA fantasy novels. Then again, some people who actually watched the films and read the books still disliked it because of a number of things. Mainly because vampires aren't supposed to sparkle but Meyer did it in her own view anyway, the seemingly abusive relationship Edward and Bella have and Bella's main character. I'm a fan, I admit, but I've been very on-and-off for years. I didn't like it much when it first came out, but I was barely a teenager so of course I ended up being into it too. That's who the films were aimed at, right?
Anyway, people can like, love, dislike and hate it for whatever reasons they want to. At the end of the day, it's only a franchise, something meant for entertainment and not to be taken seriously. It's only serious if the young female fans don't mature and start seeking an abusive relationship or pretending to be a vampire or something, but most of them have.
Shannon wrote: "When the films first came out, it was mostly bandwagon. And then, it was people who dislike/hate YA fantasy novels. Then again, some people who actually watched the films and read the books still..."
You hit the nail right on the head. At the end of the day, I don't think it's actually the series itself many people have a problem with; its the bad side of the fandom. The girls and women who think Edward and Bella's behavior would be A-OK in real life, who accuse anyone who dislikes it of being "jealous" or "brainwashed by feminists" or what-not. If all the fans were like you, seeing it just as silly fun and not taking it so seriously, the hate-dom would likely shrink very quickly.
I used to love twilight. It was the series that got me into reading again in Jr. High. It was the best thing ever and it made me want to be alive. It saved me from so much pain. I felt everything they felt and wanted what they had for real. The thing is. That type of love isn't real. And that type of power struggle and "SAVE ME" type of stuff when it happens in a real life relationship it ends up ruining relationships.
While I used to absolutely love the series and I wanted a love like theirs It blew up in my face. When I decided to go back and watch the movies after having lived real life and been in enough relationships. It hurt so bad. I wanted to cry because I realized that its not real. That realization was so sad to me because I knew no matter how much the little 13 year old in me wanted that type of love it was never going to happen.
There was also a part of me that doesn't even want love like that because its really painful. Love like that while it burns hot in the beginning it always blows up later on. And that's never fun. It always hurts worse. Plus relationships like that aren't worth it.
Anyhoo. that's why I hate the books and movies now.
While I used to absolutely love the series and I wanted a love like theirs It blew up in my face. When I decided to go back and watch the movies after having lived real life and been in enough relationships. It hurt so bad. I wanted to cry because I realized that its not real. That realization was so sad to me because I knew no matter how much the little 13 year old in me wanted that type of love it was never going to happen.
There was also a part of me that doesn't even want love like that because its really painful. Love like that while it burns hot in the beginning it always blows up later on. And that's never fun. It always hurts worse. Plus relationships like that aren't worth it.
Anyhoo. that's why I hate the books and movies now.
Nasrin wrote: "I used to love twilight. It was the series that got me into reading again in Jr. High. It was the best thing ever and it made me want to be alive. It saved me from so much pain. I felt everything t..."The super devoted kind of love probably does exist, but it usually does NOT happen at first sight, and it probably won't happen with a super-popular celebrity of a guy with great abs. It's the combination of extreme love and extreme lust that is so unrealistic in "Twilight." If you just look for love and put lust on the back-burner, you'll probably be much happier in the long run.
I think it's because of Edward and Bella's relationship dynamic. Even though i did enjoy books i know one of the biggest turn offs for me was how controlling Edward was over Bella and over all it just seemed like a very unhealthy relationship. Bella even says that she loves Jake but that she needs Edward like a drug.
I think people are trying to look cool or maybe even fit.Maybe at first, the people that hated the book actually had read it. And after a while it seemed like everyone who had read the book hated it (even though it wasn't). And there were people out there that didn't even know what the book was about and wanted to stand up for the book but they were afraid they would be criticized or judged severely or people out there who had read the book and liked it but they would never say because they knew they would severely be judged or criticized. And after a while that snowballed and almost everyone said they hated the book.
I'm a fan of Twilight and it was the book series that changed my life because it really got me into reading. It help made me realize that reading wasn't only for entertainment and amusement. It shows you how to love and basically feel with all those fictional characters and words. It taught you something, no matter how hard you resisted to learn. Yea. There are people that say the basic overall message was that you can't live without a man. But that message is petty and stupid. No. That wasn't the message. In order to actually see the message you had to look deeper. "You can't live without a man." was the surface message. It was a basic mask. And you shouldn't judge the message by it cover, but rather what lies beneath the cover.
People get mad at the fact that she was a boring character. But she really wasn't. She was reality. Sadly, she seemed very depressed. But thats cause she was. Her only friend was her mother. She wasn't very self-confident. She had low self-esteem. She didn't exactly have a proper mother figure (she had to be the mom). She didn't exactly have a father figure (yea she did have Phil but he wasn't so much a father and she did have Charlie but it was awkward between them so bonding was difficult, especially when she was only there for two weeks and after that all progress was gone). I think we need to applaud Bella. Most character would have committed suicide at this point. But she didn't. She lived through it day after day with a few threads of hope. I think in the book, Bella tries to be as optimistic as possible. She tries to make her situation sound a little bit nicer. Yea. She was shown love but it was never enough.
And then she walks into this town and finally meets someone who (at first tries to hate her but eventually) wants to do everything to show her how much he loves her. He want to protect her at all costs. And when Bella saw this love, she quickly took it like a hungry child who sees food. Her depression was slowly leaving as the love came in. And she grew so accustomed to this love and happiness, that when it suddenly vanished she quickly fell back into the hole of depression. And then she found a way to make the pain of depression go away for a little bit. And she used it. Maybe her jumping off a cliff was like suicide, but she had a breaking point. Can you blame her? Her depression was worse than ever because of the love she was neglected.
Yea. People say she is boring and the book is terrible. But the book is more realistic than boring. Yea. Its a book about vampires and werewolves but if there weren't vampires and werewolves in this book, then this book would be about the realities of life. Meyer used fictional fantasy creatures in order to get across a deep message of reality.This books depicts a lot of thing people dont want to talk about because they feel if they ignore the problem, it will disappear. But it will only become bigger.
Bessie wrote: "Because it disrespected Dracula... by sparkling." Yes. Yes. Yes. Who the hell sparkles??? I'm sorry but I hate glitter, so if a supposedly hot and dangerous guy sparkles...Oh, yes, I am going to throw up. :)
The book was all right. Much-much better than the movie. But, after I watched the movie (having before read the book)- I was disgusted and did not want anything to do with the Twilight series or any vampire based books. The series scarred me - not by 'inspiring me to read again'. *dramatically rolls eyes*The movie was literally two awkward teenagers who clearly had not read the book to be inspired by playing in the movie but were inspired and were flustered by their own unprofessional attractions to each other. (My point was proven when they started dating) The movie was absolutely horrible and seemed as if the director ran out of money and patience to correct the horrible acting skills of the two actors. Robert Pattinson got a bit better in other movies but I still don't like Kristen Stewart. Especially, after cheating on the guy. Like, wow, all right. I knew you weren't to be trusted but Robert never returned my warning calls and letters. (Just a joke guys)
Bessie wrote: "Because it disrespected Dracula... by sparkling."I'm no fan of sparkly vampires, but have you read "Dracula?" The Count from "Sesame Street" would eat him for breakfast.
That's really funny that you mention that because I recently bought the book and will be reading it after I finish the Throne of Glass series. I finished reading Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde book if you're into Dracula then you should check that out! Classic gothic horror at it's best ;)
@Anabelle I’m reading the Throne of Glass series too!!
gwyn wrote: "@Anabelle I’m reading the Throne of Glass series too!!"
Awesome! Which book are you on?
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In the timeline of thing she'd only been dating him for about 6 to 7 months and most of that relationship we didn't really see since about 5 of those months were summarized in first two pages of New Moon. And then you realize the entire series takes place in about a two year span. Stephenie Meyer didn't pace these books well at least in a believable manner — the entire series hinges upon us believing they're soulmates without really writing much for us to believe that besides declarations of love from an immature teenaged girl and a vampire who often talks down to her due to such which makes that SUPER believable right?
And, also, isn't it just Bella's luck that she somehow got a vampire AND a werewolf in love with her? Well isn't that realistic.
The entire book is a Mary Sue fantasy which if you didn't know that when you signed up to read it, boy were you in for a rude awakening. There's nothing of real substance in this book which I guess is why it once was well liked — if you weren't looking for substance then the book was satisfying, but if you were and looking for some answer as to why the phenomenon occurred to begin with then the book disappointed. All in all it's a wish fulfillment fantasy nothing more.