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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?

Huh, I thought the Pseudoscience was all in the books. Didn't read the entire series so didn't dabble in any tie in books.
Even that doesn't completely explain it. Diamonds don't have to be in light to "shimmer." But I concede maybe I can see it as more metaphorical.

They're different stories. They're not facts, so vampires can be whatever the writer wants to be. They can't exists in the same earth at the same time. They're both pretending to be real but neither are real.
In TVD, twilight is just a book and not real, and vice versa, in Twilight, TVD is just a book.

I have no problem with the overall idea of Twilight (its a teen romance, where a teen falls in love. What do people expect?). What I don't like is the characters. Bella is wea..."
dude that sounds like it came right out my mouth (and them onto the screen) lol


Here's my take on why the sparkling. Total speculation on my part as to why SM went with sparkling, so take it with some salt. (Love your analysis, by the way.)
It all started with a dream, right? [cue music] SM dreamed of a boy and a girl sitting in a meadow, boy confessing his love for the girl. Except that he's really conflicted because he fighting the urge to kill her. He's got to be a vampire. That would make an awesome love story, because he has to fight his very nature in order to be with the girl he loves.
Wait a minute, she saw them in the meadow during the day. That won't work because he'll go poof. I know! We'll just re-imagine what vampires are. Everybody's re-imagining fantasy creatures these days. So he has to have some reason why he can't go out during the day, but he can still sit there in the sunshine next to the girl without burning up.
Oooo! Make vampires living crystal! Then they can be fast and strong, and they can't be seen in public because that would be weird to sparkle in the sun! That's it!! [end music]
Kidding aside, I don't think SM put much thought about biological processes or evolutionary forces into the making of her vampires. She just isn't that technical, and didn't bother to do her homework in that area. I agree, if she had just stuck with "it's magic, deal with it" people wouldn't have cared. But once she went with science and did it wrong, people are going to point it out.
I've also read some material drawing parallels between Twilight and some of the Mormon principles SM was raised with. The Cullens represent the chosen, enlightened beings while normal vampires and humans represent the world that the penitent (Bella) must leave behind to achieve the chosen state. So it's possible you're right; the vampires may have been symbolic of angels.

I've no doubt that SMeyer's Mormon beliefs were injected into Twilight, either intentionally or subconsciously on her part.
But symbolic angels, now that's an interesting and even plausible explanation for their sparkliness. Don't know if that's the "official" reason, but I think it makes a lot of sense, at least from that angle.
You know, at least as far as the west is concerned the whole Vampires being burnt by the sunlight thing was actually started by the (illegal) movie adaption of Dracula called "Nosferatu" in 1922. (Speculation on my part too, but I remember learning this in English class. So...) If memory serves the actual Dracula could walk in the sunlight without being burnt at all, he just couldn't use his powers. Which is kind of interesting, given that Dracula is pretty much the prototype modern vampires all follow, albeit to varying degrees.
It's not actually a prerequisite though. Vampires in Vampire Academy, which I'm pretty sure was published the year before Twilight not only had two different types of vampires (and half human hybrids) but sunlight never affected the "good" vampires. Night World (can you tell that this series was like my childhood? lol) is another example of this. Again two different types of vampires (born and created) with their own sets of rules. If I remember correctly though, both could go out in the daylight. But only "born" vampires could reproduce and even stop their aging process whenever they like.
Come to think of it, despite my less than stellar opinion of L J Smith as an overall author, I think she has really good ideas. Especially when it comes to redesigning mythology. IMO she's much better at it than SMeyer. But whatever, different discussion I guess.

Then there is the hate due to it's mainstream popularity. If there's one thing mainstream hasn't learned, that too much of a good thing can be bad and they definitely went overboard with Twilight for half a decade. The group of people that hate it for this reason usually either hate because it's been shoved in there face everywhere by people who think it's the best thing ever (this is the hate popular things category) or hate it because of what it's teaching younger generations, the people who most eat up the mainstream mentality. Bella is not a good role model in any sense. She teaches girls to be severely codependent and make boyfriends you're entire life because you think you're in love. The entire series shows a great love story without there actually being real love between the main otp. It's obsession and lust, and never goes beyond that, and having that in their mind as love means there's probably a whole generation of girls who aimed for that relationship dynamic. That's scary to me because it's hard to see and took me some real time to figure that out. But that gives me hope too because I know that it gets figured out as you grow and mature and Twilight probably won't have that long term of an effect on its target audience.

People think Bella can't fight and doesn't do anything to help the vampires. (I can counter that one by saying Bella is a mere human and the vampires a SUPER strength and Bella would be defenceless against them. People also don't like the idea of Edward being a 110 years old and think it is disturbing. (I can counter that to. It is SUPERNATURAL so the age difference doesn't matter I don't really know why but in most thinks like that it does, plus Edward is only 17 if you look at it differently. His mind has lived the time of 110 years but his body remains the same. thats not much but still.) People think Bella is a bad role model because she marries for sex (even tho she was going to spend the rest of her existence with Edward anyway, so i really don't get that one. Its not like she married just for sex and nothing else. She knows she's gonna spend the rest of her life with him anyway so ya). People say Twilight is a bad love story and sloppily written. (Thats just their opinion). People don't like Kristen Stewart (Bella) because she supposedly only has one facial expression, (I think that's total hogwash and the only thing Kristen failed in in her acting in an english accent in Snow Whit and The Huntsman. She was someone so clearly not English that is spoilt the film and would have been great if she hadn't been made to be an english character.

That's why I don't like it but hey some people do. I'll respect it until you start comparing twilight to my favorite books.


and all above reasons included. Bella sometimes can be irritating i only started liking her in the last part of the last book.





Inaccurate, most people who hate on it have read it and usually come up with very long thought out reasons based on what they read to back it up. There's even sites dedicated to hating tear apart the books sentence by sentence from the book.


I always felt the movies got more flack than they should have. While the acting isn't the best, if you pay attention you realize it's nearly spot on with the characterization of the book. People thought Bella seemed dull, boring and awkward in the movie, that's because she is in the book. And people thought Edward was creepy in the movie, well again he's creepy in the book.
It's a perspective issue because the book is in first person through an unreliable narrator. We know as much as she knows and we see things mostly through her romanticized perspective, but a movie is almost always in third person so we see everything for what it is and it's not as pretty as we thought.

I think a big issue has to do with the way young girls are being encouraged to process fiction now. When I was a teen (in the late 80's-early 90's), there was a series of books at my local library called Twayne's Young Adult Authors Series. (Here are some that I remember especially enjoying: Presenting S.E. Hinton, Presenting Robert Cormier and Presenting Madeleine L'Engle.) Each book had in-depth author biographies and a look at all their books as individual works. I remember being very struck and impressed with how they discussed the themes of the books which was a skill that I was still developing. I used to pray that one day I would be able to understand the books I read like the people who wrote those books could. It became the measuring stick on which I gauged my own understanding as a reader and a state of competency that I wanted to achieve.
While there may be other resources out there today that are just as good, the only influence I've seen on discussions of Twilight is the insipid and snarky Reasoning with Vampires blog, which misleads more than it illuminates with manufactured "gotchas" (like the "incandescent" mistake that is actually perfectly fine) that are repeated here by multiple people as if it is some horrid mistake.
I've often thought that the way we are encouraged to process literature, where the most sensitive to problems or mistakes are deemed "the better readers", much like the real princess in the fairy tale "The Princess and the Pea". It's difficult now to read a page of reviews without someone bringing up the cliche of "throwing the book across the room" as if violent over-reactions are really a credit to a person. The-reader-as-proud-literary-critic who uses terms like "Mary Sue" or "info dump" is the end result of a very damaging and shallow way of experiencing literature.
I think if they read the books (and I believe there are a lot of haters who haven't), their experiences with the book are so warped by the other information they've gathered to critique the book to make their knowledge of the books deeply flawed. I've had many unfruitful discussions on this site about topics that would be obvious to anyone who has read the books, such as Bella's "suicide attempt" in New Moon. I've quoted from the books, and led them through line by line. It's a huge waste of time.
Hating a book doesn't make anyone a better reader or a better person. People need to find books that they can love and work towards becoming better readers. Anything else is a waste of time and energy.


This book is a book.
A 700 page book.
Made from paper and ink and an author's writing.
It is not something to despise.
It is something to read
My opinion of Twilight is that...
I like the books, they are nice, long-ish books that cater to people in my age bracket (mid-teens) and its just that sappy, hang off your every breath romance that people want to see, not because its in any way a particularly good example of mental stability. I do see and agree with the fact that the book has a good many flaws, but it doesn't ruin the plot and ignoring them is favor of simply enjoying the story as it is. And anyway can anybody honestly say that there is any YA-Romance that is flawless?
To write a YA-Romance book of any kind things need sensationalizing, exaggerating and over-dramatization. Because face it, romance i mean real love, is not experience by many people who identify as a teen,(And yes, Twilight is a YA series).
Stephanie Meyer wrote a good, highly popular book that has flaws, but show me a highly popular books, one read as many times as Stephanie Meyers by as many people and for the same audience without any flaw, then please point it out, because I really want to read that.
(But, I believe we all agree, sparkling Vampires are... an interesting development).
I like the books, they are nice, long-ish books that cater to people in my age bracket (mid-teens) and its just that sappy, hang off your every breath romance that people want to see, not because its in any way a particularly good example of mental stability. I do see and agree with the fact that the book has a good many flaws, but it doesn't ruin the plot and ignoring them is favor of simply enjoying the story as it is. And anyway can anybody honestly say that there is any YA-Romance that is flawless?
To write a YA-Romance book of any kind things need sensationalizing, exaggerating and over-dramatization. Because face it, romance i mean real love, is not experience by many people who identify as a teen,(And yes, Twilight is a YA series).
Stephanie Meyer wrote a good, highly popular book that has flaws, but show me a highly popular books, one read as many times as Stephanie Meyers by as many people and for the same audience without any flaw, then please point it out, because I really want to read that.
(But, I believe we all agree, sparkling Vampires are... an interesting development).

Well, the fact that's a young adult serie makes me hate it, to tell you the truth. There's something really sick about telling young girls how cool it "is" to date very old men and be eager to be hurt by them.
Giulia wrote: "Deb wrote: "I think because so many people consider it just a young adult series. I myself love the books although I did think the first and last books were the best. Kristin Stewart isn't my favor..."
Well, I guess if I was to truly analyze the fact that she is dating very old men, it would be odd or simply too strange to consider. But, something something just made me love this book, I don't know why.
Well, I guess if I was to truly analyze the fact that she is dating very old men, it would be odd or simply too strange to consider. But, something something just made me love this book, I don't know why.
Kiah wrote: "My opinion of Twilight is that...
I like the books, they are nice, long-ish books that cater to people in my age bracket (mid-teens) and its just that sappy, hang off your every breath romance tha..."
I will agree to that.
I like the books, they are nice, long-ish books that cater to people in my age bracket (mid-teens) and its just that sappy, hang off your every breath romance tha..."
I will agree to that.
Maybe, its because readers are jealous that they can't be a vampire or date a vampire who loves them as much as Edwards did. Or maybe they liked the suspense and mystery surrounding Edwards. Just going off the tip of my tongue.

Excuse me? What about: even master pieces of literature can not be loved by everibody and these books are long from being one? You know, the simpler explanation is usully the best one...
Giulia wrote: "Sushmita wrote: "It could be because they fell in love with the story too much and failed to add it to reality which couldn't happen. Maybe to console themselves now they are tagging 'unreal', 'fak..."
True.
True.


It is an enchanting story, indeed. It spells you to read it all and dream about a man like that, or a love like that. A pity, that hidden in that story there are some dangerouse messages, expecially for girls. Now, before you think so, please note that I was not looking for them when I red the books. I was enjoying myself while a thin feeling of discoonfort was gowing inside me... so, I continued my reading wandering what alarm bell was ringing in my soul. Well, I found the anwer in the last book, you know, the morning after "that" (I never spoil, even on books I do not agree with). The danger in those books is: they make you think that that sick-love story is a romantic, true-love story. The fact that few women can see that make me hate the books. In comparison, I hate Norman's Gor series less, bacause it is openly sexist and violent, not this covered sweat mishivious way. So, maybe i cannot tell you why "people" hate them, but believe me, that's why at least one person does, that is, me.

But there is something very heartbreaking about living for eternity, watching everyone else grow old and die, which is my problem with more Vampire stories. There is not much romantic about finding the perfect guy at the cost of sacrificing her family, who were nothing but wonderful supportive people.
Another reason for the hate is the main character, which I kind of see but don't totally agree. Bella herself isn't a remarkable strong character, but sometimes teenagers are shallow. Sometimes they require a bit of smacking around from the real world to grow up and as long as they see character development, the vapid nature of the character can be acceptable - but that development never really came for Bella. In some way or form it came for others - backstories provides it for Rosalie, for Alice, for Jasper, but you never got the feeling that there was any credible character development with Bella.
Honestly, people need to just take the Twilight series as it is - a easy read for young girl.
I like to refer to Twilight (and certain others like it) as a 'gateway' novel. It sets the bar for their genre, like something for everything else the reader reads to compare against as they find better and better books and raise that bar. The same goes for 50 shades of Grey...it's a bar setter for Erotica. There are way better books than these two series, but both have provided a who new audience of readers with a first experience that will likely leaving them looking for more, which I can only say is a good thing for the industry.

That was my same issue with Twilight as well. It had a good story unfortunately that wasn't the story it was trying to tell so a lot of actions just weren't correlating with the results. It was trying to be a love story but told one of lust and obsession, so the happily ever after just doesn't match. It was a story of a weak character growing to be strong except had none if the character development to make that happen so all of her "strong" moments (and trust me I'm using that word very loosely) were there just because plot demanded not because that was the natural progression of the character. The story was trying to sell an epic love that would transcend time, but nothing in their "love" story indicates that they were anything beyond a high school teen romance so again HEA makes no sense. If the book would have just owned up to what it was and told the story that it is I don't think it would have been as hated as it was (taking into account the a good portion of people did hate it because it was inescapably popular however that's not much of an issue now a days).
And what's even weirder is that, for me at least, the background characters had more interesting storylines that I would have much rather read about like Leah or the werewolves in general and the vampires (although this one is not really in my interest because despite how SM tried to sell them, they didn't seem to have any struggles. It just seemed to me like they sat around and bought shit all day). I know she made it Bella's story because she would be more relatable, but that wasn't enough to make her interesting.


Now, from an easy going (grammar-wise) point of view, I really enjoy the books! I've watched the movies also, but I'm only really a fan of Twilight and Eclipse. I think New Moon was quite boring, in fact I actually ended up skipping about 85% of the movie. I also don't like Kristen Stewarts acting skills in the movies.
Anyways, I just think it depends on the person. For me I thought they were entertaining, and for others, they don't like the writing style (due to the errors).



Same plus because of how stupid they think Bella, Edward, and Jacob they are wrong

I SO DISAGREE WITH YOU YOU DID NOT JUST SAY IT IS TRITE CRAP YOU SO CROSSED THE LINE

I completely agree there the dumb one when you put it that way

I so agree with you the books are way better


you fucking bitch just because you hate it does not mean you need to say this stupid shit do you even realize stupid and dumb this makes you look you idiotic bitch !!!!!! Don't say anything if you don't like it!!!!!!!!!!!!! dumb bitch don't do stupid stuff

I don't usually jump in comments directed at other people, but Pot meet Kettle. If you want to make a point successfully try not doing it hypocritically. Just something to think about...

I'm not sure if you're aware but this thread is called 'why do people hate twilight?' I simply answered the question- I'm not entirely sure why you are on this thread if you can't handle people's opinions on twilight, particularly if the thread is more directed towards hate. I don't know how my comment makes me an 'idiotic bitch' but I can't say the same for you. Your comment was in poor taste and I hope you realise how "stupid" and "dumb" this makes you look.
This "fucking bitch" has better things to do
Good day

i love abusive relationships lol xd

But Sweetie! She had not even met Edward in those first few pages .
The appeal of the book is in sympathy for Bella and Edwards as they are overwhelmed with love for each other and how they struggle against all odds to deal with it . And that does not begin until the 2nd or 3rd chapter . Without spoiling anything I’ll try to give you a taste : Edward has to sit next to Bella in Biology , despite feeling an overwhelming love for Bella. Edward did not go after Bella as all the other boys at the high school ( Tyler, Mike and Ben) did . On the contrary he immediately tried to transfer out of the class he had with her and ran away from school to Alaska for several days . Why ? Because he loved her so much that he could not stand to endanger her . He knew that if she they became lovers it would be very dangerous for her . It is characteristic of true love that a lover will endure all pain( even if it breaks his heart) to assure his beloved is safe and happy .
If you would have read on you would read Bella’s MOM commenting to Bella about Edward " Its a little strange - The concerned way he looks at you as if at any moment he’d be ready to jump in front of you to take a bullet for you” (Like he'd die to protect you )
Jesus Christ said “There is no LOVE greater than this –That a man should lay down his life for his friend “
This story is about that type of love ( gives me goose bumps just thinking about it )
Perhaps The Twilight Series is like a bottle containing the wine of Love . It is the power and flavor of the wine in the bottle that matters not the type of bottle. Perhaps readers who love Twilight are so happy feeling the strong currents of Love flowing from the the story that when they look at the back ground events that make that flow possible they see no fault - just beauty- a masterpiece . Perhaps readers who hate twilight are so distracted by details of the story line that they can’t be receptive to the super charged currents of love generated by the that story (which is a shame- because this is a powerful wine ) .
Maybe the fact that you missed the dustbin was God trying to tell you something . (less)

1. Bella has no self-protection or self-confidence. When she's in trouble, it's always the guys who help her. Weak little thing.
2. Meyer wrote this book from a dream. So basically when she wrote New Moon it was fresh from her awake brain, that's why it was soo boring. And Bella! Why you play with Jacob he's not a toy.
3. Plot. No other explanation needed. It sucks.

Bob: Hey, I have never met that girl in my life, but she smells pretty good, so now I am permanently in love with her and will commit suicide if she dies.
The girl: Wow, I have never met that guy in my life, but because he's really good-looking, I'm immediately attracted to him. I will even overlook the fact that he's a vampire that probably thirsts for my blood, but you know what, I don't care because he is so very handsome.
So.... what? And, also, isn't it just Bella's luck that she somehow got a vampire AND a werewolf in love with her? Well isn't that realistic.
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At the very least, the vampires should have looked like they were constantly wearing glitter.