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[Somerandom]

Dina wrote: "I don't understand the concept of "can't write".

What does it mean? If you take letters and form them into words, and then form them into paragraphs. Is that not writing?

I think it would make m..."

A parent proudly watching their child sleep is one thing. That's just parental instincts kicking in.
To break into someone's house to watch them sleep without their permission (for you to be in their house) is a criminal act and you'd be sent to jail for stalking and breaking and entering. That's fact, my friend.
I'm sure a man handles his wife's/Girlfriend's underwear from time to time too. For whatever reason. Laundry, foreplay. Whatever.
It would be a whole other story if another man handled a lady's undergarments without her knowledge or without being in some sort of intimate relationship with her.
Same sort of principle, mate. It's okay if a known loved one in a long term committed relationship of some kind does these things. Or hell, even if a one night stand did this after sex. Because there's established intimacy with established rules set forth by both parties.
Or in the case of the parent watching over the child, there is a parental concern, nurturing and protective. That's part of Mother Nature and our parental instincts prevailing.
For a bloke to do that after he barely knows you from a few convos at school. Yeah, that's fucked up. Only creepy stalkers do that.

And if you think parents of all people are going to look at Edward's actions in the light of "tenderness" then I have news for you. He's not her fucking parent. So there's no real context of nurturing or tenderness there to begin with like there is for a parent.
Hell, at that point he wasn't even her proper boyfriend. So there's not even a context of a highly intimate relationship to excuse him.
If you seriously think a parent is going to go "naww Edward" at him for watching Bella sleep then I double dog dare you to tell your parents that your boyfriend or girlfriend did that to you. I can guarantee you if I told my father a bloke I had only met (or had just started dating even) was climbing into my bedroom at night, without my knowledge, to watch me sleep.
Yeah, guess how long it would take him to call the cops, rally a mob to protect me and make sure he never came within 100 feet of me? He wouldn't hesitate for a split second. Because parents, especially fathers of teenage girls, do NOT like boys watching over their child in their sleep. Maybe with the exception of long term committed boyfriends. And even then I wouldn't be one to give that little tidbit of information to the folks readily.

Even Vampires, especially from past eras, would have enough propriety to at least respect civilized decorum and not do something so creepy. Unless Vampirism turns you into a mindless killing machine without any emotions in SMeyer's Universe? (Or perhaps if they were just going to eat you without remorse or second thoughts.)
And what, was Edward just raised in a barn? Did he not learn ANY manners during his life? (In the very proper 1900s no less!)
If he forgot after he was turned, then does that mean the Cullens are just wholeheartedly clueless about all human behavior in general and just didn't warn Edward accordingly? (I didn't make it past the first book tbh.)

If that's the case, then Edward and his little Cullen homies have to be the most clueless, naive, idiot vampires in literature that I know of. If you want to blend with society you have to be at least aware of their freaking boundaries so you don't come off as a flipping criminal thereby attracting attention.

My other issue is Bella's flippant way she comes to terms with this information once she finds out. I don't know about you, but I'd be grabbing a baseball bat and mace had a guy told me he was climbing through my window to watch me sleep. I don't care if he looks like a Greek Adonis. His balls is going to get the bat treatment and I'm gonna head to the cop shop.
Seriously Edward, not cool bro, not cool. Not to mention creepy as fuck.

Also, when people accuse SMeyer of "bad writing" they're usually talking about the technical aspects of the written word. There's more to writing a book than just stringing a few words together, you know?

[Shira]

Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).
Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."

I think that you are absolutely right. And in addition to "hating twilight equals being cool", there is the movie. I think most people hate Twilight after watching the Twilight movies, and they are judging the book (without reading it) on the basis of what they saw in the movies.

[Jessica]

Dina wrote: ". Not become the suicidal clown she became. I'm willing to bet every person in here has been dumped at one point or another. I have. And I moved the hell on, and didn't sit around pining for my los..."

A good reaction would be to not throw yourself off a cliff. A good reaction is to not have suicidal tendencies. A good, Healthy reaction would be to try to move on, remember the good times and move on. Not chase after the hallucinations of ones ex. Bella didn't react in a healthy way towards Edward leaving her. Everyone knows this.

[Jessica]

Michael wrote: " If you don't like it don't read it."

This is shit that will never fly. It's already said and done. People have read it and they didn't like it. Get the fuck over it. If they never read it and bitched about it you would say that they should read it in full to understand it. What do you want from the people that didn't like it, to have never read it or not post their opinion??

[Jessica]

Michael wrote: "I bet one of them is you're neighbor so what are you going to do? Kill yourself? Hmmm "

Why say stupid things like this? What is the point? Also, no pretty sure my old as dirt neighbors don't like Twilight nor heard of it. Please keep stupid comments like this to yourself. It adds nothing to discussions.

[Jessica]

Mubashira wrote: "Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).
Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the..."

Why make a statement like this when you know it's wrong? You don't know of the people who don't like it. You can't speak of most people. This generalization is so stupid and will always be wrong. People have read the book, especially people here. They hate the book not because of the movies. get over it.

[Danni]

Personally I don't really love or hate them, I just don't care for them, I went through a phase around the time the first movie came out, where I was obsessed with them and actually read the entire series almost 400 times, but as I got older and more experienced in reading and became a writer, I realised the poor qualities of the books.
I think the plots are decent, for the audience they are appealing to, keep in mind these books weren't written intended for so many adults to appeal to it, and the writing isn't great, but also keeping in mind they are by an author with no previous writing experience, and is her first series. (The Host had better writing) it is not terrible, I think the hype over it and the phenomenon it became ruined it, if it were a less popular book and hating it weren't so popular it probably would have a lot less criticism, the movies also gave them a bad name, because a lot of people watch movies based on books and think that makes up for it and they know everything about it, when often the movies leave a LOT out, there are some movies I have NOTHING in common with the books. Yes, the main character is very weak and codependent, but that can also come being raised on a parents whim, not even having a permanent home, Bella definitely has some deep psychological issues because of it, she believes that one guy she falls in love with is her air. This is also because the way Stephanie Meyer wrote it, she wanted readers to love Edward and believe they had to be together, so she took it a bit far. Which also makes Edward very unrealistic. A lot of the flaws in this book is based on the authors lack of experience and knowledge of writing and character building.
Although I noticed a couple people have mentioned the way hating it became "cool", which is very true to, you don't want to be the only one of your friends/family liking something, so people adapt to their environment, in a need to please people.

Overall, the series is not terrible, it is missing a number of qualities, but people have made it more than it is, which has affected the experience.

[Renae]

Thera wrote: "Not become the suicidal clown she became.
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Michael wrote: "I bet one of them is you're neighbor so what are you going to do? Kill yourself? Hmmm"

Okay, I think the flippancy of suicide is unwarranted. I know we're talking about a work of fiction here but come on. Not all teenagers (or even adults) are equipped to deal with the loss of love that had totally consumed them. It just depends on the person. It's great that Jane Doe can cry for a few days and then say "Whatever. It obviously just wasn't meant to be." Not everyone reacts to a break-up rationally.

But back to this work of fiction. In the book Edward was Bella's whole world. She had her dad, but they were more housemates than anything. I wouldn't say she had friends but I also think she didn't really want friends. She didn't really have any hobbies, either. So, in comes this beautiful boy that ignites something in her (hormones? I don't think that's what Meyer was going for) and they both become equally obsessed with each other. He tells her he loves her and blah blah blah, then he tells her he doesn't love her and he's leaving.
Now, if Bella had wiped away her tears, gone inside and ate some chocolate the story wouldn't have gone very far. Meyer had a vision for her story and executed it the way she wanted. She was going for an unwavering, eternal, passionate love story.
If it were real life, then yeah, little red flag. However, it is a work of fiction. If anyone is so impressionable that they read the book and think "Oh, Bella is heartbroken and heartbroken = endanger your life. I'll remember that." then they probably shouldn't be reading something like this in the first place.

I also think it's ridiculous for people to think that just because someone is a fan of the series they also must condone the behaviors of the characters.
There are some very dark and disturbing books out there and people read them without condoning the behavior throughout.

[Beatriz]

Dina wrote: "I think Hermione had more of a life to fall back on. It's unfortunate that Bella did not, but it happens sometimes. "

Hermione did NOT have a life to fall back on. She had lost all of her rights due to a racist government, had to erase their parents's memory, and couldn't stay at the same place for two days without having to leave. Yes, of course she was upset- Harry even talks about it- but that does not mean she'll go back on her promise and give up on her principles just because of Ronald and his frustations. She pines for him in a very dignifying way, and doesn't forgive him when he gets back. Now, that's a respectable human being and a fine example to girls.

[Sarah]

For those who have read the books, I can understand why they may not like them, for Bella and Edward fall in love so easily, one day they don't talk to each other and the next they are dating. I also find that though there is always the main problem at the end of the book, throughout the beginning and middle there is not, no smaller problems sprouting here and there to keep it interesting.
Those who have not read the books claim to hate it simply because it is a love story, or because it involves werewolves and vampires.
I HAVE read the books and I happen to have very much enjoyed them, however looking back I can see several clear issues with it's writing.My favourite book was the first one, my least favourite the second.

[Shira]

JesseBrooke wrote: "Mubashira wrote: "Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).
Then again, I don't think that's the reas..."

Well I don't think that I have made up and spoken for "most of the people" just by my self. I said it because I've met people who judge the book by its movie! I may not be a big twilight fan but I think its an average book. and when I recommend the book to the people here,they say that they didn't like the movie and especially the bizarre way Kristen stewart acted, So they wont read the book!
So now you get over the fact that there are people who hate the book just because of what they saw in the movies!

[Jessica]

Mubashira wrote: "JesseBrooke wrote: "Mubashira wrote: "Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).
Then again, I don't t..."
They still don't come up to the amount of 'most people' who hate the series. That's both generalizing the people who dislike it, marginalizing them as if there are so few, and disregarding their opinions at the same time.

I've nothing to get over, as I'm not making a big deal out of it like you are. The movies in my opinion are only marginally better than the books. And if people don't want to read the books because of the movies than that isn't your problem nor should you feel a kind of way over it. If they're average to you then why try to push it onto others who don't want to read it? The twilight movies just aren't the type of movie that can put the book's good qualities in a bright light. It's no big deal.

[Shira]

JesseBrooke wrote: "Mubashira wrote: "JesseBrooke wrote: "Mubashira wrote: "Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).
The..."
Firstly, I'd like to clarify the thing that you repeatedly say about "Most people". I think that its obvious that I meant "most people I know." Now, the topic of discussion is "Why do you think people hate twilight so much?" so when you comment something on the behalf of people its obvious that you do it on the basis of your experience and I did the same. I bet nobody who commented here went half way around the world asking people "why do you hate twilight so much?". They made their comment on the basis of what the majority of the people around them thought. Thus "most people" is just an estimation which is made by keeping the thoughts of the majority in mind.

Secondly, you said, "And if people don't want to read the books because of the movies than that isn't your problem nor should you feel a kind of way over it."
I'd like to ask you that by saying that are you trying to tell me not to comment period? because I just commented since the discussion was going on. of course it's not my problem.

You also said, "If they're average to you then why try to push it onto others who don't want to read it?" the book is average to me but I don't recommend people books on the basis of what I felt after reading them. I just recommend books and let them read and decide for themselves. And I never pushed it to anyone! how can you even say that? Since I clearly mentioned "recommend" in my earlier post!

Finally, I am not making a big deal out of this. I thing that you made it a big deal.As you were the one who pointed out what I wrote in the first place. All I've tried to do is clarify myself which shouldn't have been necessary since its a free discussion.

[Jessica]

Mubashira wrote: "Firstly, I'd like to clarify the thing that you repeatedly say about "Most people". I think that its obvious that I meant "most people I know." "

I'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree. It was neither implied nor out right said that you meant most people you know, so it was not obvious. You just said most people. You have to be very careful to say what you mean, or else misunderstandings would happen.

" Now, the topic of discussion is "Why do you think people hate twilight so much?" so when you comment something on the behalf of people its obvious that you do it on the basis of your experience and I did the same. "

And again, this doesn't imply that you only meant the people you've talked to about the series.

"Thus "most people" is just an estimation which is made by keeping the thoughts of the majority in mind. "

It isn't when you show yourself as talking of a generalization as you did.When one says something about the majority or most of the people of a group, one should make sure they're doing it with accurate statements. You didn't, even if that wasn't what you meant.

"I'd like to ask you that by saying that are you trying to tell me not to comment period?"

I obviously did not, as I am one who says what they mean, not leave it up to someone else to interpret it and then feel some kind of way when they don't decode what I said into what I meant correctly.

"the book is average to me but I don't recommend people books on the basis of what I felt after reading them. I just recommend books and let them read and decide for themselves. And I never pushed it to anyone! how can you even say that? Since I clearly mentioned "recommend" in my earlier post!"

I said it because I could. You to me gave off an air of being affronted that people didn't want to read it all because they watched the movie and weren't impressed, even though you say it's an average book.

"Finally, I am not making a big deal out of this. I thing that you made it a big deal.As you were the one who pointed out what I wrote in the first place. All I've tried to do is clarify myself which shouldn't have been necessary since its a free discussion. "

Why would I deem this a big deal? Sure, when someone makes a generalization it irks me because it's always wrong, but it isn't a big deal.

In the end, it doesn't feel like you've clarified yourself, because now you're saying something you didn't say but instead meant to say. Say what you mean next time, yeah? So then you won't get upset when people speak on something you said that you meant to say in a different way.

[B.L.]

Because the books were not worthy of the praise they received, and they made Kristen Stuart famous...now I have to see her face all the time. And her face irks me. A lot. So, it's not really the books I don't like, as I just found them border line ridiculous, it's more what happened as a result of them existing.

[Barbara]

I was 63-64 when I read the books then saw the movies. I loved all of it.

The books were way better than the movies because it really told of Edward's attraction to Bella and why he tried to stay away from her in the beginning.

I find that most people do not want to have an opinion of anything at all that is different from others.

[Shira]

JesseBrooke wrote: "Mubashira wrote: "Firstly, I'd like to clarify the thing that you repeatedly say about "Most people". I think that its obvious that I meant "most people I know." "

I'm sorry but I have to respectf..."

I don’t think that there is any harm generalizing when you are speaking on the behalf of the people since you only generalize by keeping in mind what you experienced in a majority of a small group!

FOR EXAMPLE- In a survey, a man realizes that in a society 7 out of 10 people are Christian. So instead of going around the whole city, he notes down that out of every 100 people 70 are Christian. Now that is an estimation done by the man. And this is how people generalize stuff now and then. It’s normal. Its how the world works. Everyone “generalizes” things based on what they experience in a majority in a small group. I don’t see how that seem to bother you what so ever. It’s basic. And I can’t believe I have to explain something as basic as this. Now, do you think that the man is wrong? Or should anyone who generalizes anything in this world should actually meet every living soul personally and then generalize the opinion?

I know that you have a problem with me "generalizing" whatever whatever... And I still don’t see how what I said should bother anyone because I had a reason behind it. The reason which you don’t seem to understand no matter what.

I've had a very bad day and I do not intend on making it worse, and I don’t have the power to explain myself again, because no matter what I say, you just don't seem to understand and keep on repeating the same stuff again and again. Now that irks me out. Also, I can’t make someone understand who don't want to understand in the first place.

And I’m not saying something I didn't say but instead meant to say. I am just saying that it wasn't necessary for me to explain what I meant to say since it was obvious! Just like what the man notes in the survey was an obvious thing to do.

And I have nothing to be upset about since one person in this entire world has a problem with me “generalizing” something. Also, I am not sorry for what I said. In fact I consider what I said justified. Goodbye.

[Eline]

I used to like Twilight so much. And I still do. But not so much like I did before. Why people hate twilight? I guess, people doesn't hate it 100%, because why does twilight get so many readers if the books wasn't good? I believe that some people just hate twilight because others don't. I mean, it's some kind of trend wherein the people says no, so you should say no, too. Its not also because Bella's character is weak. Yeah, she's weak in a way. But how can you fight, how can you interfere with all the magic all around you? When something/someone is 100 times stronger than you?
For me, a good reader means you have your own opinion and not driven by others. Reading is not a trend, it's passion. :)

[Jesse]

I am an odd duck. I really like the Twilight movies. I can't stand the books. Are they bad books? Probably not, they just don't fit my reading style.

For me they are just too easy of a read. Some people love easy reads; they just can't keep my attention. I don't think any less of anyone for enjoying the nice easy read that is Twilight.

[Jessica]

Mubashira wrote: "I don’t think that there is any harm generalizing when you are speaking on the behalf of the people since you only generalize by keeping in mind what you experienced in a majority of a small group!"

Not all people do that when they generalize something. You might but again, you didn't make it clear that you meant most people you know. Which is a simple misunderstanding because you didn't say what you meant and instead left it up to interpretation. You can't fault me for interpreting it wrong.

Also, generalizing is never okay because it's always wrong and depending on the topic it can make you out to be a really bad person. General statements are only okay if they're right.

"And I’m not saying something I didn't say but instead meant to say. I am just saying that it wasn't necessary for me to explain what I meant to say since it was obvious! "

Again, it wasn't obvious. The question of the thread: Why do you think people hate Twilight. Your answer revolved around most people you knew and your experience with Twilight. You did not say what you meant, which was your experience with most people you knew and instead just said most people had this reaction based on the movie. Which is the age old Twilight fantard thing to say, that people hate the books because of the movie and don't want to give it a chance. Which always is followed up with how they don't understand it, that if they read it they'd like it, blah blah blah.

once again. I see what you meant and understand it. Say what you mean next time and there would be no misunderstanding.

[Tara]

I read them all in high school, I loved them all. I connected with the characters at the age I was. To claim the stories are terrible is just ridiculous, they are written very well. What I HATE is the movies. They ruined it. Now because of those stupid movies, I am ashamed to say I like the Twilight Sega.

They cast the characters wrong, and they completely destroyed the story line as they so often do when making books into movies. Kirsten Stewart makes me rage. I honestly can't believe that Stephanie Meyer not only allowed them to do what they did to her stories, but participated and actually acted in the pieces of shit.

I don't know if any of you remember, but right before or shortly after Breaking Dawn came out(book), a few chapters leaked of a new book Meyer was working on. It was the Twilight Sega, but from Edwards point of view. It was fucking amazing. It was bloody. Being inside Edwards mind that first time Kirsten sits next to him in Science class, the way he plans to slaughter every single person in there just to get to her. Ya. Meyer is a genius. Her books are dark, they are imaginative, they really tell a story. The glittery vampires are just a symbol for the fact they are so insanely beautiful, they are literally biologically designed to lure people to them.

Breaking Dawn is my favorite book, because of getting to be in Jacobs head, and finally being inside Bella's head as a vampire. What I really want is the series from Edwards point of view, but that will never happen because of the stupid leaked chapters.

[Jessica]

Tara wrote: "I read them all in high school, I loved them all. I connected with the characters at the age I was. To claim the stories are terrible is just ridiculous, they are written very well. What I HATE is ..."

It never happened because Meyer had a petulant tantrum over it and decided not to write anymore of it. Plenty other authors had their work leaked and they still finished it. It is not right to place the blame of MS being incomplete on who ever leaked it, but on Meyer for not reacting to it being leaked like a professional author should act.

[Hana]

The characters are flat and boring. The main character is the new Mary Sue and she doesn't have likable qualities, nor a personality whatsoever yet everyone loves her for no reason. She's annoying and everyone in the book has to cater to her needs and she also has the emotional maturity of an 8-year-old. That's the main character, now imagine what the rest of the characters are like. Not to mention the glorifying toxic and abusive relationships part.

[Jarios]

Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"

Yea, I'm agree with you because we never wont get this.

[Somerandom]

Tara wrote: "I read them all in high school, I loved them all. I connected with the characters at the age I was. To claim the stories are terrible is just ridiculous, they are written very well. What I HATE is ..."

Wait wait wait. Twilight is..........dark? HAHAHAHA! Come on, there's Disney movies out there darker than the entire saga put together.
Creepy at some points, perhaps. But dark? lololol
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean to you, but it's the most watered down tame version of the Vampire love story cliche ever to exist. And that includes all the children's media with Vampires.

And yes I do recall the "Midnight Sun leak" debacle. Terrible and wholly immature/unprofessional reaction by SMeyer. That's what made me hate her. I could respect her as a published author before that happened. But her pathetic tantrum and insistence on blaming her fans instead of taking responsibility for her own mistakes like an adult, just shattered any and all respect I could muster for her. Shameful. Though admittedly, Eddie's POV is much more interesting than Bella's.

The writing? Ehhhhh. Reads more like a 16 year old's diary, which probably was the intent. But still, it's loaded with rookie mistakes. Not entirely SMeyer's fault given that she's a rookie. Plus I don't think she had the greatest of editors. Still, one must wonder just exactly what she learned during her English Degree. I had High School English Teachers who would have given me detention on the spot had I written like Meyer did.

[Suzy]

I read the Twilight books back when I was a freshman in high school and I adored them back then. However, after the second movie I just quickly got over all the hype and hysteria that surrounds this series. I started reading a lot of books and the more I read I guess the more I realized that Twilight wasn't exactly the best written book out there.


I understand why people would hate them. The characters are pretty shallow and uninspiring and the story itself does lack depth. I think that Twilight will always be something that I enjoyed in my early teen years and it's not something that I enjoy anymore. I have my own issues with it and just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm gonna bash people who like or even love it. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions.

[Elle]

I read the first book after the movie came out and I really liked the story (I didn't watch the movie first) however I didn't read on because I had to movie edition of the book so I kept referring to the cover looking at the casting of the characters and it really put me off. I really didn't like the casting.

[S]

Personally, I think it's poorly written, the characters are often too one-dimensional, and the romance is far too cliched at times. Also, there are hidden pro-life messages which I don't agree with.

[emma]

So, I bought Twilight for a $1.50 at the library. I was reluctant to read it, because "ugh, love triangles" I ended up loving it.
But you bring up a good point. Why DO people hate Twilight? I'm going to assume we're not talking about the people who just dislike it, maybe it's not their thing or whatever, that's a-okay. But then... There are people who are just flat out annoying. "VAMPIRES DON'T SPARKLE!" "This book is so poorly written it belongs in a dump!" Now really, do you honestly believe that?
I think people dislike Twilight because:
1. It's "cool". Apparently, they're being different, defeying the stereotypes! They will not admit they like it (if they do anyway) because that makes them a "follower", afraid to take their own path. Hey people, news flash! There are millions out there who are thinking the exact same thing! If you like something, don't be afraid to stand by it. That's what makes you different, not the fact you publicly shame the book, along with countless others.
2. The media. As I said, I did not want to read Twilight. At all. But, it was super cheap, and it seemed to be pretty (in)famous and popular, so.... I read it. The main reason I didn't want to read it is because there are SO MANY INACCURATE REFERENCES in the media. This book is not JUST a love triangle. This book is NOT about hot guys. Nobody drools over book-Jacob (not sure about movie-Jacob, I know plenty of people who are guilty) in real life. This book is NOT about vampires vs. werewolves. The characters are NOT cliche. There's NOT drama as shown on TV, the whole "I don't care if you're a vampire, I love you!" Scenes are MUCH, MUCH more realistic in the book. Please, I beg of you, do not believe the media when it comes to this book. If you haven't read it, give it a try!
3. Bella. Bella, Bella, Bella, Bella, Bella. What in the world should we do with you? I admit, she's not the perfect role model. Yeah, we know. Sure she kinda freaks out when Edward leaves. Yeah, she kinda jumps off a cliff and risks her life countless times to see him. Yeah, she's kinda helpless sometimes. But how well would you fight against Laurent or James? Really, Bella's reaction to THE DANGER SHE WAS IN at those exact moments was pretty appropriate. How many of your boyfriends are vampires you try their hardest not to slip up on their ways so they won't hurt you? You HAVE to think of her situation. She's clumsy. She is freaking clumsy. This is what I love most about her, because in most books, the heroine is like "I'm so ugly and clumsy, no one would like me." And then jumps off a burning building and lands with the grace of a leopard, all while making sure not a scrap of dust falls into her gorgeous, shiny hair. No, not with Bella. It's little things, like dropping her keys or tripping... Constantly. These things making real danger for her situation makes Bella the ideal heroine of this particular story, I repeat, IN HER SITUATION.
I rest my case.
(And by the way, thanks for reading this entire post, I know it was long, sorry!)

[[deleted user]]

Okay. I'm going to start off by saying I've only read the first book, back when they were still relatively new and the movies hadn't come out yet. I have mild OCD, and one of my symptoms is that I have to finish every book I start. But this was a real challenge. Even though it was a quick read, I almost didn't make it to the end of this one. I was fresh out of a creative writing class, and yes, even within creative writing, there are rules. I found this book breaking every single one of them. Everything we had spent an entire semester doing, this book was doing wrong--the most glaring thing, of course, being that Bella is nothing more than a Mary Sue. And not just any Mary Sue, but a weak, spineless, needy one who is ready to throw away her own life for a stalker. This premise, this promotion of an abusive relationship, was not at all okay to me as someone who barely made it out of an abusive childhood alive. There are teenage and pre-teen girls reading these books, girls whose identities are not even fully formed yet, reading these and thinking that this is okay, idolizing Bella for her behavior and her creepy boyfriend. But morality aside, these books--well, I'll only speak for the one I read--this book reads as though it was written by a teenage girl. It sounds like something I might have written in my diary at 12 years old. There is nothing there to indicate to me that Meyer has ever taken an advanced English class or read a decent novel, and apparently she's an English major! As an English major myself, I was stunned and completely disgusted by her terrible grammar. She obviously did not have a good editor, but she has a degree in the subject and doesn't understand correct sentence structure? How is this possible?

Last week, I finally thought I'd check out the first movie. I had joked to someone that in this instance, the movie had to be better than the book. I couldn't finish the movie. Even a big-budget Hollywood production couldn't turn this into a compelling story for me. And I love vampire fiction. But the vampires I love don't sparkle.

[Somerandom]

ET wrote: "So, I bought Twilight for a $1.50 at the library. I was reluctant to read it, because "ugh, love triangles" I ended up loving it.
But you bring up a good point. Why DO people hate Twilight? I'm go..."

Alright. Fair enough.

1. Yes, many people hate Twilight to be "cool." Many people also hate it for being written awfully (in their opinion.) Choppy sentences, tell and don't show, bland characters, odd imagery and the clunky word choice. These are the main accusations people attack Twilight with. And they're not exactly wrong. But regardless.
2. Media will lampoon anything successful. That's just what media does. It may contribute to people hating Twilight, it may contribute to people hating the Avengers. *shrugs*
I'm willing to bet (or rather hoping) that most people take the media's representation of pop cultural phenomenon's with a grain of salt and know they are just being satirical.
3. Bella is Bella. She tells us she's smart, but we never actually see it. I'm immeasurably clumsy as well. But this chick's clumsiness is supposed to be some sort of flaw and everyone seems to find it endearing. Meaning it's rather pointless. Her voice is annoying, her insecurity should be almost non existent with everyone fawning over her (at the very least she should probably seek medical advice) the dialogue is cliched, the romance is cliched, the whole "dangerous bad boy turned good vampire" is as old as vampires themselves and her reactions to her situation is.......okay I guess. I mean if her voice weren't so annoyingly insipid I'd probably enjoy Twilight (minus the sparkling. Sorry, that's just stupid, imo.)

But people have legitimate problems with Twilight. From it's writing, to it's technique, to it's story, to it's characters, to it's dialogue etc.
That's not to say you're wrong for loving it, just saying not all people hate it to be cool, rebellious or to follow popular opinion.

Hell my old English Teacher attacked Twilight with her red pen, despite enjoying it immensely. lol

[NL]

I feel as though a lot of people hate twilight before even watching the movie, or reading the book, which is stupid- you can't judge the book without reading it.

[Little Sarah]

Probably because Bella is an annoying, ret
arded clutz who can't take two steps without putting her life in danger, and who can't go a second without thinking about Edward. And Edward is a scary, creepy stalker/control freak who begins the book by plotting ways to kill Bella.
But, then again, that's just my opinion. Other than those two, no one else really bothered me....

[Vince]

As a former teacher, I read the book in order to relate to what my students were reading. Simply stated, I hated it for the simple fact that the author can't write. I was constantly taken out of the narrative due to her inability to tell a story. I couldn't find one redeeming quality about the book and would recommend it as an example of how not to write. Sure, she sold a lot of books and made a lot of money in the process, but the woman can't write. Why this series caught on is a mystery to me. I think something was needed to fill the void left by the Harry Potter novels. The difference being, Rowling can write extremely well. Her characters were believable, and evolved as the series progressed and the world she created was rich and filled with life. Twilight falls flat by comparison. It's always great to see young people reading, but unfortunately, Twilight is terrible on so many levels.

[sam]

I THINK PROPLE HATE TWILIGHT TIMES TEN EVERY TIME SOMEONE ASKS 'WHY DO PEOPLE HATE TWILIGHT SO MUCH' SO ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE TWILIGHT HATING COMMUNITY I SAY "SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH OWR LIVES"!!

*in case you still don't get it I'll say I'm tired of twitards whining about not everyone being as in love with that crap as you are, I'm also sick of twihaters bitching about how bad it is. It would be fine if it was like'you like it? Well I don't so let's talk about something else' but nooooooo. Years later were still hearing the same crap and I thought long ago I'd stop commenting on any of this way too drawn out stuff but their is no escaping from it, *sigh* I've become what I've hated most.*is tired now. Bye.*

[Vince]

Sam, I have to agree with much of what you said. I think the reason Twilight is still being discussed is because of how horribly it is written, yet generated millions of sales. As an author, I would love to have a fraction of her audience. I believe that I, along with most authors on this site, are much more talented than she is or can ever hope to be. As I mentioned before; it's great to see people reading rather than texting or gaming, but watching so many young people read such a terrible book is a fly in the ointment.

[Rebecca]

People hate Twilight so much because it's not very well written, and Bella and Edward's relationship isn't exactly healthy, etc. etc. etc.

HOWEVER, there are tons of worse books, but Twilight gets a lot of the hate just because it's so popular, just like how McDonalds and Walmart get a lot of flack. Everyone picks on #1.

People know it's a popular book to hate, so they feel confident in hating it. They know others will back them up.

To quote Kevin G, "Don't let the haters stop you from doing your 'thang',"

[NL]

Behkii wrote: "People hate Twilight so much because it's not very well written, and Bella and Edward's relationship isn't exactly healthy, etc. etc. etc.

HOWEVER, there are tons of worse books, but Twilight gets..."
Yes, I completely agree. Because the book is so popular, twilight gets a lot of hate.

[[deleted user]]

Girls don't want you watching them while they sleep? But it's so romantic. I don't understand. Sparkle harder.

[Eliza]

cos its for morons. don't hare on me just admit it.

[Faye]

if you like YA go through this link:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/...

[NL]

Eliza wrote: "cos its for morons. don't hare on me just admit it."

No, I won't 'hare'.
And it seems as if the only moron is the person who doesn't know how to spell. I'm guessing that it's supposed to say 'hate'.

[Mochaspresso]

Vince wrote: "Sam, I have to agree with much of what you said. I think the reason Twilight is still being discussed is because of how horribly it is written, yet generated millions of sales. As an author, I would love to have a fraction of her audience. I believe that I, along with most authors on this site, are much more talented than she is or can ever hope to be. As I mentioned before; it's great to see people reading rather than texting or gaming, but watching so many young people read such a terrible book is a fly in the ointment.


This always happens in everything that is sold....from food to music to cars to clothes to electronics to books and beyond. I can't for the life of me understand why people eat substandard chain pizza like domino's and papa johns when there is a plethora of excellent mom and pop's where I live. They are almost literally on every other corner in NY. But then I take that back because I do understand. It's the same reason why every once in a while I get a $5 Little Caesars pizza even though I prefer the mom and pop's. It's because even though I value how the pizza tastes above all else, there are times where I value price and ease of access ( ie already made, no waiting) more.

I don't mean to compare Twilight to fast food, but perhaps you need to in order to understand it's appeal and why it's so popular. In other words, there is something in the appeal of Twilight that probably has nothing to do with the "quality" of the writing. Quality is in quotes because I really don't believe that millions of people across many different walks of life have the ability to agree on such an abstract and subjective concept anyway. You and many others probably are much better writers than Stephanie Meyer, but can you write a story that millions of people across many different walks of life will actually want to read? If you think you can, go for it. That's exactly what she did.

[benita]

I've read a lot about why they hate the book, and some of the reasons are that "they just do".. Kind of stupid, right? It's not even a reason.. I think some also "hate" the book because it has vampires that glitter? C'mon, it's just a fictional book! (I liked the book..)
But I don't know why, maybe it's what everyone else says: It is popular to hate the books..

[[deleted user]]

Benita wrote: "I've read a lot about why they hate the book, and some of the reasons are that 'they just do'."

It seems to me that the majority of the negative reviews are because the books are poorly written. Even just inside this thread.

[Carrie]

Behkii wrote: "People hate Twilight so much because it's not very well written, and Bella and Edward's relationship isn't exactly healthy, etc. etc. etc.

HOWEVER, there are tons of worse books, but Twilight gets..."

No. Walmart is NOT #1. I saw a girl there with tattoos on the back of her legs under her butt cheeks that said open slowly.

[Kim]

Well it is pretty "cheesy" (no offense to fans or the author)(i love the book)(Go Edward!)
I only read the first book and i loved it! But i had to stop because i was stupid enough to watch the movie!!! UGGGHHH i hate myself for it! Becausem, do you know the feeling when you read a book you want to be able to imagine it, imagine the people, imagine the scenery if you get what i mean.Cause thats what i love about books you get to read it, but you get to "make" the scene in your head! So what happened... well every time i read about Bella i imagined the Bella from the movie, anyway i'm totally going of topic.The point is everyone has they're own opinion. And i know its something you here all the time, but don't judge a book by its cover. So take this book read it, either you LOVE it, or you don't, no biggie :)

[Kim]

What I kept hearing from people is that they were tired of us book readers saying how much better the books were than the movies. Which I think is totally true, but I still watched the movies anyway :)

[sam]

Carrie wrote: "Behkii wrote: "People hate Twilight so much because it's not very well written, and Bella and Edward's relationship isn't exactly healthy, etc. etc. etc.

HOWEVER, there are tons of worse books, bu..."

What!? Really? ...sadly that is not the worst tattoo I've ever heard of...

[Kendra G. ツ ~There is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for~]

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