Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Haha. Wow what a reply. :)
Well honestly , when Twilight was written it was such a breakthrough that most people became its crazed obsessed fans & it became soooooo popular . But now that there are more books on the similar kind of the fantasy genre , everyone's eyes are opened to what a truly ridiculous book (mostly the movie) Twilight was , though at its peak it kept everyone open-mouthed ( though with awe or disdain that's seriously doubtful :P )
First of all, Its terrible writing. Second, the characters are completely unlikeable. The first 150 pages is Edward being a jerk and Bella whining about how mean he is to her.
Absolutely agreed !!!
Rose wrote: "Well honestly , when Twilight was written it was such a breakthrough that most people became its crazed obsessed fans & it became soooooo popular . But now that there are more books on the similar ..."I wouldn't go that far. Twilight isn't some newage breakthrough it was just another in the long line of vampire books.
If anything, it actually rode on the success of the vampire interest of the 90s. Books like the Sookie Stackhouse Mysteries (or "True Blood") Vampire Diaries and shows like Buffy and Angel and movies like Blade and especially Interview with a Vampire (an Anne Rice adaptation) all paved the way for Twilight to become big.
Twilight just happened to come out at the right time and was so completely tame that it was able to snag the ever huge pretween market, who all thought vampires were too scary before.
Well seriously Twilight just gave people a different view to this whole vampire phenomenon though similar kinds of books had previously intended to do so with less success .
Rose wrote: "Well seriously Twilight just gave people a different view to this whole vampire phenomenon though similar kinds of books had previously intended to do so with less success ."Twilight gave them a safe view of vampires you mean. I mean come on, they're practically house trained. Even Young Dracula was scarier. And he went out of his way to be gentle!
I think its because how now everyone sees vampires as sexy instead of scary.....also some people don't have a creative imagination to see it potential....who knows..:):)
i get what you mean....i know a lot of people who say that still its just like reading books about wizards, war and crime...history repeats itself alot...gotta learn to deal with it
Dawyn.S.Hunter wrote: "I think its because how now everyone sees vampires as sexy instead of scary.....also some people don't have a creative imagination to see it potential....who knows..:):)"Lol people have seen vampires as sexy as early as Dracula (the 1900s.) Sexiness was and has been an implicit characteristic for vampires ever since.
well huh..i guess i never really thought about it much..guess i need to read more....thanx for the insight:):)
i get what you mean in whether its worth and for me ...i guess it kinda was..but still different people different books...:):)
It's just not very well written. It's really creepy. And the characters are really mentally unhealthy. It's just bad.
I don't really care why people don't like it. I think the only thing that matters is that I enjoyed it. I don't let others influence me but I also don't try and get them to change their minds. We're all free to have our opinions on something!
I just don't appreciate it when people judge me because I do like it.
A friend of my mother's actually said to me once "Oh, dear, so you want a creepy guy to watch you sleep and tell you what to do? That's a shame."
We aren't what we read. My mother loves reading books about serial killers but she doesn't want to be one or be killed by one. It's a ridiculous notion.
I think it's sad that people can't just let people like what they like. They either need to give a good explanation as to why they like it or they just get told it's flat-out stupid and so are you.
Renae wrote: "I think it's sad that people can't just let people like what they like. They either need to give a good explanation as to why they like it or they just get told it's flat-out stupid and so are you. "It does go both ways though, and not just for this series. People who like something don't understand why people on here would say why they hate it, why'd they read it if they didn't like it, why'd they continue reading it, how their reasons for reading it/reasons why it was bad weren't valid because they 'just didn't understand it'. It can go on. It's almost like they don't understand what GoodReads is, which is a site to review books, and not a site like a fan site or some such.
Some people jusy don't like that it got so popular so fast and that vampires sparkle saying that vampires don't sparkle and that wolves aren't supposed to be that big, um hello people its called fiction and its awesome literature. I will always be a fan I have all the books and the movies. On that same note my boyfriend talked so much junk about it so we had a marathon. He liked eclipse and breaking dawn 1 and 2, he hasn't said anything after that he doesn't even make fun of me for re-reading my books :) next up the notebook lmao....
I think that people dislike it because it is so fake. It's an oxymoron, really. The books weren't bad, but they weren't amazing. Then the movies came along and sort of ruined the entire thing. They are just...bad. You know it's not a particularly good book when a bunch of middle aged moms take a liking to a YA book.
It's misdirected anger. People say they hate the book, but what they really hate is what the book's popularity represents.The fact that this particular book is so popular is reflection on the standards and tastes of society. It isn't Shakespeare, or Dostoyevsky, or Neruda, that excites American youth - it is a simply written book with poor story line.
Other bad books don't upset people because they can be easily disregarded. The fact that the Twilight Saga has such a huge (and fanatic) fan-base is almost incomprehensible, considering the wealth of other literary treasures available to young Americans. In fact, it's more than incomprehensible - it's downright enraging.
First of: Great troll, who started this: Q: "Why does everyone hate twilight" A: "I think everyone is jealous of Edward and Bella" Epic!But since this has become a discussion, I might as well give my opinion. Of course I can only speak for myself. I do not hate the books, but Meyer is not a good author. Especially in the first books she describes, but she does not go beyond that.
Also the books were much to harmless. In no situation at all was I worried a character I liked might be in danger. She also made it hard for me to even like a character.
JesseBrooke wrote: "Renae wrote: "I think it's sad that people can't just let people like what they like. They either need to give a good explanation as to why they like it or they just get told it's flat-out stupid a..."Oh, I totally understand. I mean, my thirteen year old self would declare anyone who hates anything I love a nemesis. Of course, I grew up but I have seen people of all ages attack someone because they called their favourite book stupid or something.
I think if you can't handle people having a different opinion to you, if you just want to see people loving what you love, go join a fan page but even then it's not guaranteed that no one will say anything 'bad'
I think it's sad that people can't just let people like what they like. They either need to give a good explanation as to why they like it or they just get told it's flat-out stupid and so are you. I agree. There's such a strong emotional reaction against Twilight.
It's interesting to me that some people see it as very romantic and others take it as a book about abuse and unhealthy relationships.
I'd be fascinated to see a psychological profile of those who love it vs those who hate it. I mean...I'm wondering if there are certain traits that make some love it and other squirm.
Alexis wrote: "They are just...bad. You know it's not a particularly good book when a bunch of middle aged moms take a liking to a YA book. And why is that?
Quinn wrote: The fact that the Twilight Saga has such a huge (and fanatic) fan-base is almost incomprehensible, considering the wealth of other literary treasures available to young Americans. In fact, it's more than incomprehensible - it's downright enraging. You're not okay with people being fanatic with their love of Twilight. Are you okay with them loving Twilight if they're not fanatic about it?
What if they have a strong love for Twilight, but also read and enjoy other books?
You found time to read other books even though you sacrificed some of your time to read Twilight. Couldn't other people do the same? One can read Macbeth, but then also in the same month read Twilight and The Time traveler's Wife.
It reminds me of a preschool director who believed children (and all people, actually) shouldn't listen to any music besides classical. But why? I think there's room in the world for all types of music. Just as there's room in this world for all types of literature. Classics, comic books, zombie apocalypse novels, poetry, etc.
i think people tend to dislike it because it was popular, insanely popular and since they made a movie based on the book it kind of destroyed what people had in mind about the whole Edward and Bella thing.I saw the movie before reading the book and I think if the movie wouldn't have been made, so many wouldn't dislike it.You read it once and thats it!
And I tried to read the 2nd part just because the movie was being made.But I couldn'tread more of the series.
The book itself was OK.
Clearly a bunch of Tweens are answering this but I can tell you why I hate it. Bella is lame. Her character has the personality of a dish rag. The writer ruined vampires by making them sparkle! Seriously, wth? And to follow it all up w a vampire baby cross breed....oh no no no. Lame. All of it.
It's a misogynistic book about vampires. It doesn't lead to any philosophical reflection whatsoever. Also it's badly written.
I don't think people really hate the Twilight books as much as the poorly made movies and rabid fans they created. The story itself is not the best or the worst it is simply for leisure reading. However, the it was blown out of proportion by the movies that contained bad actors. On top of all that most people are tired of the "fan girls" and their "Team Edward or Team Jacob" disputes.
Michael wrote: "You can like both teams.. And it's not a bad book. It's fine. Easy fun reading. It doesn't even matter. Fans? You do not have to get upset about how they act.. They are not holding a knife to you'r..." its not really that easy to escape. They just give people who enjoy the books for fun a bad name. We don't have to focus on them or join their conversations to be associated with them.and all that is aside from the fact that they took over social media and that's where they get their publicity.
I don't like the books because I feel like it passes a wrong message to girls, like it's ok to give your life up for some guy. It's the typical cliche ugly duckling story, with a mental illness twist to it. The characters aren't round, and Bella isn't a real outcast (like Holden Caulfield for instance) because, when given the opportunity, she falls madly in love with the first guy that will look at her. Twillight is a tale about the sadistic codependance between a girl with no personality whatsoever and a seriously troubled stalker who wants to kill her.
I read all 4 books. They were okay, not some of the best all time, and not well written for the most part. My biggest problem is with the character of Bella. She was whiny and a pity me type annoying character. The writing got better as the series went on, but the first book was boring (Bella going on and on and on)more then anything else. Listening to Bella whine over and over made it that way. I wish that the version done of Edward's point of view was done instead. It was more interesting . The books are suppose to be about vampires & wolfs . A better mix of the teenage angst & the supernatural would have made for a better book.Books are books, and hopefully young people have good relationships to see in their real life. These are YA romance books, and many romance books have some sort of unhealthy relationship in them.
Bia wrote: "I don't like the books because I feel like it passes a wrong message to girls, like it's ok to give your life up for some guy. It's the typical cliche ugly duckling story, with a mental illness twi..."You hit the nail on the head labeling Bella as no personality. With everything revolving around her, and her having no personality, it hurt the books.
yeah so true... and i love the action...pretty BADASS.:):)
I'm proud to say I hated the book before it became cool to do so!
Why do I hate this series? I hate it because of the message it sends to women. That we are nothing without a man. Bella is so repulsively weak without Edward that it makes my head spin.
how are women nothing without men? Do you need a man to survive?
oh , I think I misread the comment! LOL.. good point
Lots of people did not like Kristen's lack of emotional acting. I, myself love the Twilight series and hated to see it come to an end.
I think alot of people are envious because they know that they probably won't end up with someone like Edward or Bella that would risk their lives to be together. yes, it's very disney and happily ever after but come on . . . what 6 year old girl didn't want to be a princess at one point? (and what teenage girl didn't want her own Edward?)
Laura wrote: "I think alot of people are envious because they know that they probably won't end up with someone like Edward or Bella that would risk their lives to be together. yes, it's very disney and happily ..."ME! ME! I don't want an Edward! As a teenager I found him utterly repulsive and the type of guy my father warned me about. He's creepy, abusive, controlling and stalker-y. He watches Bella in her sleep!!! Hello, restraining order much?
I mean, he's not even creepy in a cool Vampire kind of way. He's just a misogynistic twat and just....ew.
There's a reason why people view Romeo and Juliette (who killed themselves cause they couldn't be together) as moronic little twits.
(I also didn't want to be a princess at aged 6. Boring much?)
Laura wrote: "I think alot of people are envious because they know that they probably won't end up with someone like Edward or Bella that would risk their lives to be together. yes, it's very disney and happily ..."There are fans who still think this? O.o I didn't know that. I thought that with age they grew out of such immature accusations. Huh.
I never wanted to be a princess. EVER. You can ask my mother. I was the girl hanging out with boys, playing kickball, climbing trees with a slingshot. My mother tried in vain to get me to dress and act more feminine. It didn't work. So don't assume all girls want to be a princess, because we don't. I don't like the books, although I read all four to see what all the hype was about. I found the writing to be horrifying. That woman cannot write. Period. And the relationship between Bella, Edward and Jacob was absolutely appalling. Edward is a controlling freaky stalker. Bella is a pasty clingy hot mess. And it kept expecting Jacob to lift a leg and pee all over Bella to mark his territory every time Edward came around. Very unhealthy relationship model for young, impressionable girls.
Because the movie
I didn't like the book (or the entire series) because it was poorly written and too juvenile. I couldn't believe that people actually compared it to the "Harry Potter" series. Ummm...J.K. Rowling can actually write--and the "Harry Potter" series was a seriously compelling, engaging story. Everything that the "Twilight" series lacked. Those are several hours of my life that I will unfortunately never get back. Life is too short to read bad books!
No matter what people will always judge books and movies. It doesn't matter what they say and think but what does matter is what you say and think.
Michael wrote: "He does not fucking sleep so what else is he suppose to do? "Something ten times more productive than being a creep. Before they got together, before they actually had a conversation, Edward would stalk her and break into her room to watch her sleep, to strengthen his control on his blood lust. Not so he could be around her, but so he wouldn't disappoint Carlisle.
Edward stalked Bella to Seattle.
You should check what other people say before you blindly go defending something. He stalked her and he's creepy. Case closed.
I don't understand the concept of "can't write".What does it mean? If you take letters and form them into words, and then form them into paragraphs. Is that not writing?
I think it would make more sense for critics to say "I hate her writing".
Also...I notice people are very bothered by Edward watching Belle sleep. I think it would be interesting to do a survey of fans vs. haters and see how many of the haters are not parents. Because I think parents enjoy watching their children sleep and might see Edward watching Bella sleep as an act of tenderness.
I'm not saying that's the case for everyone...just wondering if there'd be any trends.
It fascinates me that some people are so horrified and disgusted by the act of someone watching someone sleep.
The other thing I hear is Bella is horrible because she was so depressed when her relationship ended. This makes her a weak protagonist. Well, she's human and sometimes humans have weaknesses. And when a human experiences loss (whether from death or rejection) sometimes they can become severely depressed.
I sometimes see Bella compared to Hermione. Bella withdrew from the world when Edward left her. Hermione continued fighting and adventuring. First, I think they have different personalities and a different relationship dynamic. Second, while Edward rejected Bella...Ron was more rejecting the situation than rejecting Hermione, so I think it was less of a slam to her ego. Also, Hermione still had a very close friend. Bella had only acquaintances. I think Hermione had more of a life to fall back on. It's unfortunate that Bella did not, but it happens sometimes.
Not that I think the books are perfect. I loved the series, but did wish it didn't glorify youth so much. I wish Bella wasn't so disgusted with turning eighteen, growing old, etc.
Michael, first you say he never stalked her, then you said "if he hadn't stalked her she would have died". Soooooo, is he a stalker or not?Edward is a creep, Jacob is a territorial beast, and Bella is a needy sap. Thanks, but no thanks. I would have preferred she dump both those jerks, gone to college and started a career. Not become the suicidal clown she became. I'm willing to bet every person in here has been dumped at one point or another. I have. And I moved the hell on, and didn't sit around pining for my lost love. It's sad and pathetic and I have no respect for such people.
. Not become the suicidal clown she became. I'm willing to bet every person in here has been dumped at one point or another. I have. And I moved the hell on, and didn't sit around pining for my lost love. It's sad and pathetic and I have no respect for such people. What do you think is a healthy and mature reaction to a break up? When you say "move on" does that mean you don't allow yourself any grieving period. You break up and the next day you're perfectly fine?
I just think if someone can be so okay after losing someone in their life, maybe they didn't really love that person in the first place.
I know there's that whole thing about if you love someone, let them go...blah, blah, blah. And I agree. You shouldn't hold someone prisoner. But if they do leave, I think it's okay to feel devastated.
It's hard for me to imagine someone being fine...not just with the loss, but with the rejection as well.
Some would say it's a sign of strength, but I'd see it as maybe being too strong.
That's not to say that I think people should be depressed forever. Eventually, it's good if people can move on with their lives, but I don't fault them for being lost and depressed for awhile.
Was I upset about the end of a relationship? Sure. I have feelings after all. I did not become a sopping, suicidal mess however.
I think it's perfectly fine to enjoy the series. I simply do not enjoy it, and those are my reasons for not enjoying it. My other issue with the series is the almost cult like devotion fans have for it. Almost every fan I've met says there is something wrong with me for hating it. Or that I'm jealous of the relationship they all have. That is pure ignorance.
I enjoy Jo Nesbø books, but I don't hate on the people who don't enjoy him. Everyone has a different taste.
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Agreed. It's unhealthy. Bella is like sooo obsessed with Edward from the moment she first laid eyes at him and since then she's been in constant danger and whining about everything and wanting to be a bloody sparkling vampire I'm sorry but Twilight is horrible... This book actually makes young girls think it's good to obsess over some creepy guy and put yourself in danger and be a loner. And that the world stops when the guy breaks up with you. I'm sorry but my ex boyfriend dumped me 3 months ago and I am over it Bella was like obsessed and sad and a mess for almost 6 months (maybe longer i can't remember) There is absolutely NO redeeming quality in Twilight. Not in the books or in the movie. My opinion.