Twilight (The Twilight Saga, #1) Twilight discussion


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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?

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message 1451: by H.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

H.K. Emilee wrote: "because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves"

So true


message 1452: by Gail (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gail Emilee wrote: "because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves"

everyone else loves? I know you like twilight. But thats too much. Maybe people just dont like the movie.


message 1453: by H.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

H.K. Gail wrote: "Emilee wrote: "because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves"

everyone else loves? I know you like twilight. But thats too much. Maybe people just dont like the movie."


Loved the movies hate that taylor no acting skills to save his life got cast


message 1454: by Gail (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gail H.K. wrote: "Gail wrote: "Emilee wrote: "because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves"

everyone else loves? I know you like twilight. But thats too much. Maybe people just dont..."


I hated the movies. The books were wonderful. I didnt like Bella. Edward was...ehh....


message 1455: by Amalia (new) - rated it 3 stars

Amalia i don't think twilight has any real message it's mainly all about how important it is to have a boyfriend who sparkles and then the vampires fight and then it's over , i don't see how this is a positive message or teaches us anything.


message 1456: by H.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

H.K. Gail wrote: "H.K. wrote: "Gail wrote: "Emilee wrote: "because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves"

everyone else loves? I know you like twilight. But thats too much. Maybe peo..."


Gail wrote: "H.K. wrote: "Gail wrote: "Emilee wrote: "because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves"

everyone else loves? I know you like twilight. But thats too much. Maybe peo..."
true but tl was horrible the character as well jacob was filler


message 1457: by Siobhan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Siobhan The pro fan reasons are funny.

In truth, I want to like this series. The concept is brilliant. I just feel that Stephenie was playing safe, or sticking to her principles too hard, so every time she had a chance to do something awesome, she threw it away for her wishes. She ignored her characters and how they were telling her what they wanted (writer thing),that's a death sentence for me. She forced Jacob to love Bella, then forced him to love her child (sorry, it was forced), she set up for an epic battle but got squeamish and had a battle of the minds instead. She had them constantly talking about death without any resolution for death. She spent three and a half novels setting up and reaffirming her cannon then threw it all away so her precious Bella would know no real hardship. She barely researched anything, pretty much all her research is written in as Bella's research. She didn't spend the time thinking about how teenagers talk, or the differences between our era and past eras and how she could show that in speech. She told us of Bella and Edward's love but I could never feel it - she got the emo moments in new moon down pat, so she knows how to express feelings, so there's no excuse for it. Her grammar sucks in the internal monologues.

So even though I wish I could like it, the above get in the way. That's why I can love the idea, and nothing else. I can't be the only one feeling like that, right?


message 1458: by Amalia (new) - rated it 3 stars

Amalia Siobhan wrote: "The pro fan reasons are funny.

In truth, I want to like this series. The concept is brilliant. I just feel that Stephenie was playing safe, or sticking to her principles too hard, so every time sh..."


i completely agree with you, all those little things get in the way and i totally agree about the part with edward and bella , there is no really connection or chemistry between them and it makes it hard to believe that they really love eachother


message 1459: by Gail (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gail Irina wrote: "Ask anyone who hate Twilight serial if they had read it - and you will hear, "No, but..." I don't love the serial, however I think that before rejecting a book completely one should at least read i..."

most twilight haters watched the movies. 4 out of 10 read the books and still hate it. Everyone has their own opinion.


message 1460: by [deleted user] (new)

Irina wrote: "Ask anyone who hate Twilight serial if they had read it - and you will hear, "No, but..." I don't love the serial, however I think that before rejecting a book completely one should at least read i..."

*series*
And that is not true. I've read all the books and saw the movies: still hate them. Your argument is invalid.


message 1461: by Gail (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gail Ellia *Falling in love with Kakashi again* wrote: "Irina wrote: "Ask anyone who hate Twilight serial if they had read it - and you will hear, "No, but..." I don't love the serial, however I think that before rejecting a book completely one should a..."

ahahaha. must be the plot. cliche, no?


message 1462: by [deleted user] (new)

XDD It is! And it's no help that the 'vampires' sparkle. If the book was about blood thirsty (literally I must say) fairies, I might have a different view of it.


message 1463: by Gail (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gail Ellia *Falling in love with Kakashi again* wrote: "XDD It is! And it's no help that the 'vampires' sparkle. If the book was about blood thirsty (literally I must say) fairies, I might have a different view of it."

When the book said edward sparkled I thought that it was like, when you put glass in sunshine it sparkles a bit? I didnt think they would literally throw glitter on him....


message 1464: by [deleted user] (new)

XDDD


message 1465: by Gail (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gail Ellia *Falling in love with Kakashi again* wrote: "XDDD"

but the bloodthirsty fairies sounds like ans awesome plot! XD


message 1466: by Siobhan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Siobhan Irina wrote: "Ask anyone who hate Twilight serial if they had read it - and you will hear, "No, but..." I don't love the serial, however I think that before rejecting a book completely one should at least read i..."

Please read my reply at the end of the last page, you will actually see the well reasoned argument most twihaters have, rather than your speculation. See also, those people who think it's from the films (when I could watch Jackson Rathbone all freakin' day)


message 1467: by Siobhan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Siobhan Right, but they also listen to the characters and don't disregard everything they wrote before for a happily ever after. She could have had a happily ever after in so many other ways, but nope,Stephenie wanted what she wanted for the end and to hell with the actual set up for the book.


message 1468: by Nuran (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nuran I read the books and watched the movies apart from the last two, just couldn't put myself through the torture anymore, even for friends. So pro fans saying that people who dislike twilight just haven't read it, are wrong.

It had potential but Edward was a flat, one dimensional, fairytale "prince" and way too mothering and Bella was a generic teenage emotional female who was told she was perfect.


message 1469: by Siobhan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Siobhan Nuran wrote: "I read the books and watched the movies apart from the last two, just couldn't put myself through the torture anymore, even for friends. So pro fans saying that people who dislike twilight just hav..."

You should watch the last one, there are 20 epic minutes. Until they Dallas that shit.


message 1470: by Nuran (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nuran Siobhan wrote: "Nuran wrote: "I read the books and watched the movies apart from the last two, just couldn't put myself through the torture anymore, even for friends. So pro fans saying that people who dislike twi..."

I YouTube those 20mins, just the fight scene, it was fun to watch but annoying knowing it was a fake out. If I didn't know about the Dallas switch, I might have seen it, hoping for a better ending, than just people standing around talking.


message 1471: by Gerald (last edited Feb 20, 2013 11:39AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Gerald Black I am not a hater. I read all four to my wife, as she is a big fan. I just found them uninteresting, the characters were cliche and flat, especially the heroine who had absolutely nothing appealing about her, yet has men swooning over her. Things that make me go hmmm?


message 1472: by [deleted user] (new)

And don't forget that the author's writing style is also very flat and uninteresting. In all honesty, my 12 year old sister could have written a better book.


message 1473: by Linda (new) - rated it 4 stars

Linda Well as someone who has read all the books and seen all the movies, I think she was brilliant don't forget these books were meant for YA.


message 1474: by [deleted user] (new)

I've read all the books as well (in all honesty, hoping that they would get better, and they didn't), and I still have read far better material than Twilight.


message 1475: by April (new) - rated it 5 stars

April I really like Twilight. If I wouldn't have been introduced to it when I was 13 then I don't know where I would be now. Because Twilight is what got me into reading and LOVING reading and even writing. I'm an aspiring author and I don't think I would be so passionate about writing and may not be as creative if I wasn't introduced to it. So in that way I'm very grateful that my mom threw the books at me at 13. And I do love the Twilight Saga. I read it as if I'm Bella. The only thing is, now that I've dated guys (who actually are like Edward- no they don't sparkle) who are manipulative and just try to use me, I despise guys like that, so now as I read the series I'm screaming at the book for Bella to be with Jacob, or someone better. I still do ADORE the series, don't get me wrong. It's just that I personally hate guys that just use girls and are rude and controlling. But if I look past that I do really like it. I like how Bella is very intelligent and devoted to Edward. The series is still in my top 10 favourites. Bella is a very strong, intelligent, helpful character. I agree about the actors though. I think they could've had better actors for it (Taylor Lautner I think was perfect as Jacob, and Ashley Greene was a perfect Alice.) Just Edwrd and Bella maybe changed. But I'm not going to bash them too much, because they had a good enough audition to make the movies. But yeah, that's my argument and my thoughts on the Twilight Saga. I also think that Stephenie Meyer is an awesome writer for coming up with this original idea.


message 1476: by Deliriate (last edited Feb 21, 2013 09:24AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Deliriate April wrote: "Bella is a very strong, intelligent, helpful character."

Funny, I don't remember anything about this. Just because Meyer called Bella these things doesn't mean she was. She certainly didn't show us this in her work.

April wrote: "I also think that Stephenie Meyer is an awesome writer for coming up with this original idea. "

I've read better fanfics about vampire love stories on wattpad. I would hardly call this "original".


message 1477: by Jordan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jordan Deliriate wrote: "April wrote: "Bella is a very strong, intelligent, helpful character."

Funny, I don't remember anything about this. Just because Meyer called Bella these things doesn't mean she was. She certainly..."


Really, you wouldn't call it original? Her vampires are a completely different species that no other book has. Next time you read a vampire book about a sparkling vampire (not making fun, original idea, and I like it) who does not drink human blood who has a half human/half vampire baby that ends up falling in love with a grown werewolf, I'd love to hear about it.


message 1478: by B.L. (last edited Feb 21, 2013 01:58PM) (new)

B.L. Jones Jordan wrote: "Deliriate wrote: "April wrote: "Bella is a very strong, intelligent, helpful character."

Funny, I don't remember anything about this. Just because Meyer called Bella these things doesn't mean she ..."


I think i get it, maybe she meant that the concept isn't that original. The details are, but so are all details in books but the whole falling in forbidden love, having the girl be 'special', and the boy be brooding with a dark side, then a love triangle blah blah blah, it has all been done a million times before and since. xxx Not saying your wrong, just making a point ;)


message 1479: by Jordan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jordan BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Jordan wrote: "Deliriate wrote: "April wrote: "Bella is a very strong, intelligent, helpful character."

Funny, I don't remember anything about this. Just because Meyer called Bella these things do..."


Thanks, but the main concept doesn't always have to be original. I mean i understand that people get sick of love triangles. But honestly, a lot of those happened after Twilight. Not all of them, I know, but after Twilight, people loved that so other authors decided that;s whats popular.


message 1480: by Siobhan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Siobhan But that's the flow of the storyline, the actual concept of Vegetarian Vampires (in the sense of, vampires with a conscience enough to resist the natural foodstuffs in close proximity) isn't that common, and could have been done so well.


message 1481: by Jordan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jordan I think it was done very well, but the point is it is original.


message 1482: by Siobhan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Siobhan Jordan wrote: "I think it was done very well, but the point is it is original."

I think it could have had a larger part in the storyline, rather than how long Bella was going to lead Jacob on. Even with the books the same up until they have vampires visiting in breaking dawn, couldn't there then have been a greater exploration into that choice of lifestyle? It would have given the other vampires more of an understanding and given the final battle another layer.

I think my biggest problem with the whole series lies in what happens after Bella gives birth, the amount I would change just from that point ...


message 1483: by B.L. (last edited Feb 21, 2013 02:15PM) (new)

B.L. Jones Jordan wrote: "I think it was done very well, but the point is it is original."

Maybe, i like love triangles, i liked them before i read Twilight, if anything the Twilight triangle kind of put me off them for a while. The vampire sparkly stuff is original, i didnt like it personally, but you are right. Twilight pissed me off, not because it was AWFUL or because i hate it, because i don't, but because it's made out to be this amazing piece of literature, which it really isn't. SO many other books that are also original are much better, and they don't get any credit, if Twilight wasn't such a big deal i'd probably just think it was rubbish and never talk about it again like with other novels i havent liked.

Plus i think vampires should be badass and even killers. Twilight kind of ruined the image of vampires a bit, and i am annoyed by that. x


message 1484: by Jordan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jordan Siobhan wrote: "Jordan wrote: "I think it was done very well, but the point is it is original."

I think it could have had a larger part in the storyline, rather than how long Bella was going to lead Jacob on. Eve..."


I do get mad every time Bella shows slight feelings for Jacob. But of course, that's the Team Edward in me talking. :)


message 1485: by Jordan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jordan BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Jordan wrote: "I think it was done very well, but the point is it is original."

Maybe, i like love triangles, i liked them before i read Twilight, if anything the Twilight triangle kind of put me ..."


Even though I don't really have the same opinion, I totally get what you are saying. I hate when books look and sound amazing, and I don't like them. Reading (for me) takes a while, and I don't want to waste that time on something I don't like, so I totally see where your coming from. Just not the series for you. :)


message 1486: by Siobhan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Siobhan The team anti-Bella in me does pretty much the same ;)


message 1487: by Jordan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jordan haha, there are a lot of people in that team! Not me, but a lot! My dad says he's Team Victoria, and he won't watch the others with me and my mom because she died.


message 1488: by Nuran (last edited Feb 21, 2013 05:26PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nuran Wasn't original for myself. Used to read the point horror series and there were a few paranormal teen romances. Twilight gave a sugary sweet happy ending, but in those books the paranormal couldn't let the human give up their mortal life and left them or the human leaves them. Maybe SM read those books or similar books and wanted to rewrite the ending.

Vampire baby, I first came across it through Cristopher pike, his vampire series. Everyone thought the baby was evil at first but turns out to be good, and it also grew super fast too.

Sparkling thing is original but is it good originality??? I found them only sparkling under bright light the most unbelievable part out of the book. Surely, they'd sparkle a little bit with regular light. I just can't accept that they can go from nothing to super blinding rainbow shiny light show, and nothing in between.

Experience and time didn't make twilight that original for me.


message 1489: by Kirby (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kirby Nuran wrote: "Surely, they'd sparkle a little bit with regular light. I just can't accept that they can go from nothing to super blinding rainbow shiny light show, and nothing in between."

yeah, I agree that that doesn't really make sense.


message 1490: by Deliriate (last edited Feb 22, 2013 09:02AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Deliriate BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Jordan wrote: "Deliriate wrote: "April wrote: "Bella is a very strong, intelligent, helpful character."

Funny, I don't remember anything about this. Just because Meyer called Bella these things do..."


This is exactly what I meant.


Jordan wrote: "Really, you wouldn't call it original? Her vampires are a completely different species that no other book has."

....Faeries? LOL If that's the case then no, sparkling faeries aren't exactly original either.


message 1491: by B.L. (last edited Feb 22, 2013 08:17AM) (new)

B.L. Jones It's ok to love Twilight, it's ok to hate Twilight and it's also ok to not give a flying fuck either way ;)

There are Team Edward fans and Team Jacob fans, and then there are Team hit Bella upside the head with a brick, Jacob move on and find a love interest who doesn't give emo's a bad name, Edward get a FUCKING personality for five minutes, all you other sparkly people (I simply REFUSE to call you vampires) fuck off and kill some people, in the words of Damon Salvitore "Your a vampire, vampires kill people, get over it" fans...guess which one i am.

I honestly just thought it was rubbish. There are plenty of reasons, bit i can't be fucked to list them, it's mostly just because compared to other books Twilight IS rubbish. Simple as, end of. xxx But if others people feel differently then thats fine, i think your crazy, but everyone one can think what they want.


message 1492: by Gordon (new) - rated it 2 stars

Gordon Ellia *Falling in love with Kakashi again* wrote: "Irina wrote: "Ask anyone who hate Twilight serial if they had read it - and you will hear, "No, but..." I don't love the serial, however I think that before rejecting a book completely one should a..."
Read the series, watched the first two movies and came to the conclusion that the movies were much better than the books and still immoral and self-indulgent. As with most terrible books, they lend themselves to better movies, just as Jaws by Benchley did. The shark was a lot more believable however.


message 1493: by Himani (last edited May 01, 2014 03:35PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Himani I have only read the first book and the reason I dislike it are as follows:
1. The characters were shallow, stupid, and bored me.
2. It was stereotypical, love-at-first-sight, ridculous...
3. the plot or writing didn't hook me and I wasn't that interested
4. everytime I talk about a YA book that has vampires or werewolves or something of the sort in it people roll their eyes, give me this look, thinking it must be rubbish that only silly teenage girls like. I know this preconception was started by Twilight. Not all Young Adult books are garbage, I wish people would stop judging a whole genre based on one book series. .-.
the list goes on and on...

However, it did make the YA genre a whole lot more popular, so I'll give it that.


message 1494: by Chrisna (new) - rated it 4 stars

Chrisna I think people are afraid to just come out and say they like it. Its not the best written story ever but it is a story you cant put down and they should just enjoy it for what it is. And as always when something becomes too mainstream or popular people like to put it down. You cant really hate something if you never read it so those people dont even count in my opinion.


message 1495: by xotic3 (new) - rated it 3 stars

xotic3 TO be honest, I liked the books especially the last part from Jacob's POV, however I didn't bother watch the 2nd part of the movie onwards because I don't think the right actress was chosen for bella. I know most people won't agree with me on this but it's just my opinion.


Shadowhunter Clary I think some people just don't give it a chance because it is so out of the ordinary and there is also the girls who walk around saying they only watch it for the fit boys so they may pre-judge it from that aswell.


message 1497: by Somerandom (last edited May 04, 2014 08:05AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Somerandom Jordan: A vampire who does not drink human blood who has a half human/half vampire baby that ends up falling in love with a grown werewolf, I'd love to hear about it. "

Hmm, how about The Vampire Diaries (published in the 90s)? They had vampires abstaining from human blood. In fact, in VD the main vampire actually drank animal blood. Now where have I heard that before?
In fact, trying to or just outright not drinking human blood is usually a staple amongst "good guy" vampires from various media (mostly found in children's programming.) Vampire High, Vampires, Pirates and Aliens, The Count from Sesame Street, Buffy/Angel (and Spike, sometimes!) Blade, Duckula, the Daren Shaw book series, Interview with a Vampire just to name but a few!
Vegetarian Vampires are so common that it's actually considered a god damned trope!

The Sookie Stackhouse Mystery series, known also as "True Blood" (also published in the 90s) has a vampire and werewolf in it's center love triangle and has vampires not drinking real human blood!

The Dhampir (common name for human/vampire hybrid or "baby vampire" again predating SMeyer by at least a few years!) "falling in love" with the Werewolf was fucking creepy. It might not have been intended to be, but it just was. Eww pedowolf!

Sparkling vamps? Pfft. Are they supposed to be predators or disco balls?
And if they're a separate god damned species, why are they called vampires!?


message 1498: by Mare (new) - rated it 1 star

Mare It is rather simple, I think. The first book was very poorly written. By the end I wanted to scream, "Bite her neck and get it over with."


message 1499: by Ebi (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ebi Babu Edward is too heroic. All vampires are insane except collin family. rude....


message 1500: by Ingvild (new) - added it

Ingvild Twilight doesn't have a good plot. Hell, it doesn't have a plot at all until the end of the first book. The plot and the characters are worse than the writing which can actually be kind of entertaining.

That being said, I don't think it's the reason why people hate it. A lot of the people who do don't know the first thing about literature anyway. They hate it because it was popular. They hate it because little screaming 12 year olds love it, and they think those kids are both annoying and stupid (they are not stupid, just saying). And most of all, it has become a trend to hate Twilight. By now it is standard. By now it's common knowledge that it's not good.

What I personally have against it is that it romanticizes slightly manipulative relationships, and that it's mostly just wish fulfillment (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php...)

But who the hell am I to bash people for enjoying something? Who am I to talk about quality of books? So many people have found joy in the Twilight series, so while it might not be a literary masterpiece, it has done something good for humans, and that is at least as good a deed.


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