Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
For actors, it's hard when you are facing possibly being typecast as something, and Twilight was so big, that it will be hard for them to move on and have the same possibilities afforded to them as other actors. (It also will help them as well, though.)It's not so unusual for authors themselves to grow to hate their popular series. (I haven't seen this from Meyer or from Rowling, both of whom still seem very connnected with their first series.) The author of Sherlock Holmes (Arthur Conan Doyle) hated him and couldn't wait to kill him off. The main character in Stephen King's Misery is an author who is trying to get out of the shadow of his popular series. There are a lot more instances of people who end up disliking the constraints of being famous for something popular.
31 pages of this...really?
I've only read the first book and for me it was just very boring. The reasons people hate Twilight are usually: The whole sparkly vampire thing, Bella seems weak and that makes her a bad role model for women, Edward seems a bit too controlling, the writing isn't very good. Those are the reasons most people dislike it.
Well, the book is much better than the movie no matter what. You could understand the book better. In the movie they are too many scenes of kissing and blah blah blah. Book is more understandable. I think in the movie Edward didn't do a good job on the acting.
That's because Robert Pattinson didn't even try :P
Because at some point it became cool to hate the book/series. When the series first became popular, it seemed everyone gushed about it. Then the backlash started, and it never stopped. The series now is viewed as lowbrow; therefore, if you hate it, the implication is that you have sophisticated taste in literature. The books DO have a plot; the writing is NOT terrible (simplistic yes, but this IS a YA series, people); the romantic relationship between Edward and Bella is not creepy or abusive. Compared to the boat load of positively AWFUL YA literature being published in the years following the "Twilight phenomenon," this series of books is decent reading, with excellent levels of suspense and strong characterization.
Dorima wrote: "That's because Robert Pattinson didn't even try :P"Pattinson and Stewart are not the most talented of actors.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the fandom Twilight IS the trend to follow? People don't hate Twilight just because it's cool to, but because of all of the flaws that it has? However, if you don't want to look at Edward's and Bella's relationship as unhealthy and not creepy, that's up to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBpNps...
I never said anything about Kristen because she wasn't worth noting to say the least. I only mentioned Pattinson because of what Silly had wrote. If you watch the video, you can see for yourself that Rob was butchering the character. :P
Dorima wrote: "Did it ever occur to you that maybe the fandom Twilight IS the trend to follow? People don't hate Twilight just because it's cool to, but because of all of the flaws that it has? However, if you ..."
Pardon? Yes, of course I have considered the series' flaws, and I mostly disagree with what critics state are its flaws.
I couldn't care less what Pattinson thinks of Edward. Pattinson is hardly a literary critic.
As for my quoting of you. I did that to add context to my own statement and nothing more, not to start an argument with someone I don't know.
Maybe, since you do acknowledge that the series has flaws, then you shouldn't have said anything along the lines that "it's cool to hate Twilight."And it sure as hell looks like you are trying to pick a fight.
Caroline wrote: "the writing is NOT terrible (simplistic yes, but this IS a YA series, people);"
YA is never, ever, ever an excuse for bad writing. It's this widespread belief--that overly simplistic writing or any other form of "bad" writing is okay simply because it's YA--that gives Young Adult books such a bad name. It's because the standards for YA are so darn low everyone looks down on them--that people actually use the fact that it's YA to say that people shouldn't take them as seriously as they do for other books.
In my opinion, YA as a whole should be judged just as seriously as other books. As a book lover it's nothing short of frustrating to be told that we shouldn't think as critically about something simply because of a stupid reason like "it's YA." Because I love books--yes, even YA--I WILL take them just as seriously as any other damn book I've ever read. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll judge them by the same criteria--I won't say that Twilight is bad because its world-building doesn't equal the Lord of the Rings, for example--but I still take books seriously, regardless of whether it's YA or not.
I've read YA with perfectly fine writing--whether it's complex or simplistic has nothing to do with it, because simplicity and complexity in and of themselves are neither bad nor good-- only how the author applies that to his/her writing.
Using the "it's YA" card is a failed attempt to justify bad writing (personally, I don't believe "bad" writing in general can be justified, only argued in its defense), not an actual statement of why it's not bad.
YA is never, ever, ever an excuse for bad writing. It's this widespread belief--that overly simplistic writing or any other form of "bad" writing is okay simply because it's YA--that gives Young Adult books such a bad name. It's because the standards for YA are so darn low everyone looks down on them--that people actually use the fact that it's YA to say that people shouldn't take them as seriously as they do for other books.
In my opinion, YA as a whole should be judged just as seriously as other books. As a book lover it's nothing short of frustrating to be told that we shouldn't think as critically about something simply because of a stupid reason like "it's YA." Because I love books--yes, even YA--I WILL take them just as seriously as any other damn book I've ever read. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll judge them by the same criteria--I won't say that Twilight is bad because its world-building doesn't equal the Lord of the Rings, for example--but I still take books seriously, regardless of whether it's YA or not.
I've read YA with perfectly fine writing--whether it's complex or simplistic has nothing to do with it, because simplicity and complexity in and of themselves are neither bad nor good-- only how the author applies that to his/her writing.
Using the "it's YA" card is a failed attempt to justify bad writing (personally, I don't believe "bad" writing in general can be justified, only argued in its defense), not an actual statement of why it's not bad.
Jocelyn wrote: "Caroline wrote: "the writing is NOT terrible (simplistic yes, but this IS a YA series, people);"YA is never, ever, ever an excuse for bad writing. It's this widespread belief--that overly simplis..."
To clarify, and then I'm changing my settings so I will no longer be following this discussion: I said the writing is "simplistic," not "bad." I believe it is perfectly acceptable for YA literature to be more simplistically written than adult literature, and I do not think, nor have I ever thought, the Twilight series is poorly written. It won't win awards for it's actual writing, but it's not poorly written. It is just not sophisticated writing. As you yourself said, "simplicity and complexity in and of themselves are neither bad nor good." I wholeheartedly agree with that.
I want to add that it has not been my experience that "everyone looks down on" YA literature. There are several YA books in recent years that have received (and deserved) numerous accolades; however, it IS true that a great deal of YA literature published in the last seven or so years is poor quality. The market is over-saturated, with books written by authors of varying abilities (at story-telling, plotting, characterization, and actual writing ability, among other things). Publishers rush-publish too many YA books because it is a hot market at this point in time. I think that has done a great disservice to the YA literature category as a whole.
That is all. Happy 2013!
Contrary to popular belief, 'simple writing' is not 'easy writing'. Consider Meyer's predilection for her thesaurus - I had never see the word chagrin before twilight (and boy was it shoved down my throat) but now, every time I see that word is good works of fiction, it makes me yack.Simple writing is a challenge in that you are trying to express a person in a realistic way, using every day words, without being cliche. I know it's tempting as a writer to use your extended vocabulary as a badge of authenticity but when it doesn't fit the storyline or character, it shows. I know no seventeen year old who talks the way they do in twilight. If she had written simply, that wouldn't be the case, and you would miss the real art behind it.
@ Caroline
Thanks for clarifying! I understand now.
To clarify, and then I'm changing my settings so I will no longer be following this discussion: I said the writing is "simplistic," not "bad." I believe it is perfectly acceptable for YA literature to be more simplistically written than adult literature, and I do not think, nor have I ever thought, the Twilight series is poorly written. It won't win awards for it's actual writing, but it's not poorly written. It is just not sophisticated writing.
Okay, I understand now. Sorry for misunderstanding.
If you don't mind I can't help but respectfully disagree on one point, though. People in general don't criticize Twilight's prose simply because it's "simplistic"--it's more of technical issues and stuff like that. Simplistic writing can be beautiful, and it can be effective (just check out Divergent for a YA book with simplistic but at the very least decent prose, and yet, people don't criticize the book for writing issues). However I will concede that Meyer's writing becomes pretty good as the series goes on. In the first one it felt like a bumpy ride with all the inconsistencies and technical flaws in the prose. Still, Meyer manages to make it work and I agree that it doesn't cripple the story as a whole. They bother me more on a superficial level.
Also simplistic writing is not only in YA. In the Narrative of the LIfe of Frederick Douglass, Douglass uses very, very, VERY simplistic prose, and I still think it's one of the most eloquent pieces of literature I've ever read.
I want to add that it has not been my experience that "everyone looks down on" YA literature.
That's interesting! In my own experience everyone sticks their nose down at YA or otherwise regard it as a meaningless pile of shit. I don't hate YA but I've lost respect for it as more and more crap is published, like you said.
Happy 2013 to you and everyone.
Thanks for clarifying! I understand now.
To clarify, and then I'm changing my settings so I will no longer be following this discussion: I said the writing is "simplistic," not "bad." I believe it is perfectly acceptable for YA literature to be more simplistically written than adult literature, and I do not think, nor have I ever thought, the Twilight series is poorly written. It won't win awards for it's actual writing, but it's not poorly written. It is just not sophisticated writing.
Okay, I understand now. Sorry for misunderstanding.
If you don't mind I can't help but respectfully disagree on one point, though. People in general don't criticize Twilight's prose simply because it's "simplistic"--it's more of technical issues and stuff like that. Simplistic writing can be beautiful, and it can be effective (just check out Divergent for a YA book with simplistic but at the very least decent prose, and yet, people don't criticize the book for writing issues). However I will concede that Meyer's writing becomes pretty good as the series goes on. In the first one it felt like a bumpy ride with all the inconsistencies and technical flaws in the prose. Still, Meyer manages to make it work and I agree that it doesn't cripple the story as a whole. They bother me more on a superficial level.
Also simplistic writing is not only in YA. In the Narrative of the LIfe of Frederick Douglass, Douglass uses very, very, VERY simplistic prose, and I still think it's one of the most eloquent pieces of literature I've ever read.
I want to add that it has not been my experience that "everyone looks down on" YA literature.
That's interesting! In my own experience everyone sticks their nose down at YA or otherwise regard it as a meaningless pile of shit. I don't hate YA but I've lost respect for it as more and more crap is published, like you said.
Happy 2013 to you and everyone.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What one person likes another does not. Simple as that. So if you hated this book.. don't try and force your opinion on someone who really liked it. And Vice versa. It is what it is. Its called entertainment. Could you imagine how boring the world would be if we all liked the same thing?
I've read the first two...they are quick easy reads, but I have to say my problem with the series are the characters. Bella is just pathetic, and the creepy stalkeresque nature of Edward bugs me. I couldn't quite grasp the appeal Bella had for Edward. Seriously bite her and toss her behind a tree!So many of the fans I've encountered don't see that stalker boy quality about Edward. Its made me wonder if I read the same book
I'm always skeptical of things the whole world seems to obsess over.
Oh and toss the movie in..and I just have to say..bad casting almost all the way around.
Speaking as someone who has read the first book and seen all five of the movies, I think people dislike Twilight because of the shallowness of the characters, the dryness of the writing, and the obnoxious fanbase. The series kind of seems like porn for women at times - pure wish fulfillment without substance.
I was bored and i felt like taking the piss out of something stupid so here it goes-Twilight-A WUVly emotastic girl named Bella(/emo child) goes to live with her father who WUVs her in a strange way and who Bella doesnt seem to WUV all that much if her lack of any thoughts of WUV are anything to go by. Emo child is WUVed by everyone at her new school even though she doesn't talk to them or think about them in a WUV filled way. Emo child meets (stares at/gets stared at by) Edward(/Mr.Feck all personality), it is WUV at first sight...sort of, as Mr.Feck all personality technically wants to kill her, as he should logically, which isn't good for the feelings of WUV. Mr.Feck all personality then starts acting like a tosser by being all vague and 'mysterious' (cue constipated face) and being stalkerish by WATCHING HER FUCKING SLEEP (then again maybe he realised the same thing i did which was that emo child Bella is even less interesting when she's awake). Emo child and Mr.Feck all personality fall madly in WUV even after she finds out he sparkles in the sunlight (drinking blood i can deal with, but SPARKLES!, just no). Emo child is not WUVed by other sparkly people and they try to eat her (slightly better but they still sparkle). Mr.Feck all personality and the sparkles gang (Cullens family) save emo child's arse, most of Cullens family WUV emo child, except bitch vamp but even she doesnt kill emo child so i lose all respect for all sparkly people. But the WUV story doesnt stop there (unfortunately).
New moon-Emo child is back and ALMOST gets killed by Jasper the junkie, but he fails, i was excited for a minute then, but the book was too thick to end there i suppose. Mr.Feck all personality then decides to bugger off and tells emo child that he doesnt WUV her, he leaves emo child to wallow and possibly die from absence of her WUV (or absence of her common sense and self-preservation). This is when her other WUV Jacob(/wolf boy) comes in, he WUVs emo child and helps her to stop depressing over her WUV Mr.Feck all personality, because of course there must be a WUV triangle. Then emo child realises she can be with her WUV by trying to kill herself, crazy fecker that she is. Emo child is saved by wolf boy because he apparently WUVs her (one question...WHY! how shit do the other girls he knows have to be for him to think emo child is the best option?), wolf boy turns out to be a 'werewolf' type creature (your all shocked im sure). Then we later find out that Mr.Feck all personality thinks his WUV is dead (if only we could all be so blissfully ignorant). Mr.Feck all personality goes to the 'badass' sparkly people (i refuse to call them vampires by this point) out of WUV for emo child, so that they can 'kill' him because he will show himself in all his sparkly glory, forget the master sparkly things, the humans, if they have any sense, should be so fucked off by the interpretation of vampires that THEY will 'kill' him (but apparently some poeple have never let go of pre-school fun and still love glitter). Emo child is recruited by Alice(/tiny pixie) to 'help save' her WUV, wolf boy is pissed off by this and tries to convince the one he WUVs (again, WHY?) to stay. Emo child says (cue child like voice) NO! (like this i imagined in my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKVGf-......). Emo child saves her WUV, and Mr.Feck all personality decides to come back to be with his WUV, so basically we're right back where we started, except we had to read about emo child depressing about her WUV for FUCKING AGES, and of course now wolf boy is in WUV with emo child (for reasons i STILL can't fathom, he should of read my review for the first book, then he might of thought differently).
Eclipse-Right then, i skipped a crap load of this book, but this is the gist. Emo child and Mr.Feck all personality are back. I'm sure your all very fucking excited, I know i wasn't. Emo child is under threat because the red headed sparkly person, who i might JUST be able to call a vampire, is back to kill off emo child, why you ask, i reply WHY THE FUCK NOT! Wolf boy is still getting all clingy and prissy about being with emo child, and Edward wants to MARRY emo child, because obviousy supernatural creatures fancy pale irritating girls with zero self-confidence and no interesting personality. Emo child dithers around as she is not sure of her feeling for wolf boy. Wolf boy practically date rapes emo child at one point and emo hild retaliates with a punch to the jaw, which naturally means she breaks her OWN HAND/WRIST WHATEVER!, i'll admit i liked that part, at least breaking her hand/wrist meant emo child actually had something real to depress on about. Emo child accepts Mr.Feck all personality's proposal, YAY now the fun really begins. Emo child is protected by sparkly gang and team wolf pack, wolf boy tricks emo child into kissing him, then Mr.Feck all personality kills red headed sparkly person, she fails at killing emo child so she is no longer worthy of vampire status. In the end the kiss changes nothing, emo child still WUVs Mr.Feck all personality more. The end.....ok not quite yet but we're close peoples, so hold on to your paracetamol because it's about to get MIND FUCK!ingly stupid.
Breaking Dawn-Right then, so emo child is now about to marry Mr.Feck all personality (by this point i should mention that i only finished this series because i hate not to finish a series of books, im a true book lover that way, and also because i had a tiny bit of hope that the last book MIGHT just not be completely shit, like maybe emo child would die, what can i say im a, cue strange american accent, BELIEVER!). But i digress, so the wedding of the century (apparently), hey, what can i say thier town is pretty small, shit just doesnt happen that often i suppose, a better reaction probably would have happened if Mr.Feck all personality had eaten emo child (even i would have clapped, and i hate exercise of all kinds). After the wedding emo child is dancing with wolf boy and he gets fucked OFF by the idea of emo child getting dirty with Mr.Feck all personality (i had to agree THE IMAGES NNNNOOOOO!!!). I still dont get them fighting over emo child by this point, i mean if anything the only thing they should be fighting about is which one of them gets to eat her, then again they'd probably just get indigestion from her rubbish personality and sick her back up. Emo child leaves with Mr.Feck all personality on their honeymoon of WUV, oh the WUV it hurts, no really the WUV made my head hurt like feck. Then they have sexy times, nasty nsty NASTY. Also HOW? Mr. Feck all personality has epic skill apparenty of getting it up without any blood running through him, being dead and all kind of puts an end to all sexy times, but oh no, that would be too LOGICAL (dont get me wrong i like fantasy, as long as its explained in some way, even a mentalastic way). Of course now emo child is...wait for it...no really wait for it..............WAIT FOR IT!.......PREGNANT!, because this book wasnt fucked up enough obviously. Now baby Damien (i.e. the antichrist from the movie the Omen) is killing emo child YAY, baby Damien is now my favourite character. The short and short of it is that both Mr.Feck all personality and wolf boy are PISSED about baby Damien, what a mother fucking suprise. Emo child gives birth to Baby Damien....and...SHE DIES....YAY YAY YAY YAY WOOOOOOP WOOOOP...but then Mr.Feck all personality ruins everything by turning her into a sparkly person. Emo child wakes up and is now officially in sparkly gang. She finds out that wolf boy fancies baby Damien, (who is a girl by the way i know, but who the feck cares by this point, it could have came out a dragon and the book still wouldnt have been any good, and i really like dragons), emo child is FUCKED OFF by this and goes after him, but then they become fwends again when he tells her about how he WUVs baby Damien (ok, now if that was my child, id be ready to tell wolf boy to get back on his bike and PISS OFF, but no apparently in addition to abusive relationships, teen marriage, teen pregnancy and SPARKLES! (still cant get over that), fancying children is now encouraged and accepted, HURRAAAYYYY FOR SHITTY FUTURES,CHOICES AND MORALS, no wonder so many teens make bad choices, when they end up reading this rubbish. So anyway now everyone's playing happy families, (blah blah blah blah blah x1093035046834690749864979 and 4). Then the master sparkly people got pissy about baby sparkles, and they come to kill it (and yes 'it' is the appropriate choice for ANYTHING living that sparkles). Team wolf pack and the sparkles gang join together again to protect baby sparkles, i.e. wolf boys WUV,as well as other randomer sparkly people. In the end there is NO fight scene (ok, now im pissed), how is it possible that all those creatures who are MEANT to be badass gather but all they end up doing is TOUCHING THE BABY! WHAT!, baby sparkles has a power that can show memories or some shit like that, i wasnt really paying attention i was still pissed about lack of fight scene, oh and the shit writing, always the shit writing. In the end emo child and Mr.Feck all personality have sexy times and most likely, because of baby sparkles rapid growth, she and wolf boy will be marrie and having their own fraked up sparkly puppies within a few months. Ok well now we are drawing to a close, im glad we could all share this special moment in our lives, appreciating cough taking the piss out of cough this shmagical series, i hope you all enjoyed it, i know i very much didnt, just remembering that series has made my mentaltastic mind think of tiny elves hitting my brain with wooden spoons, long story for why by the way, i WUV you all. ;) xxx
From the comments above, people really take these books too seriously. Just fictional stories...I enjoyed them for what they were - fantasy stories...movies were okay as well.
Judith wrote: "From the comments above, people really take these books too seriously. Just fictional stories...I enjoyed them for what they were - fantasy stories...movies were okay as well."I just like taking the piss a bit, it's funny x but I don't particularly care about the series, everyone has a right to their opinion xxx
I can tell you exactly why I hate Twilight. I have a 12 year old daughter. I would never want her to fall so madly in love with some guy that when he decides not to see her, she THROWS HERSELF OFF A CLIFF. Or that you should marry the first boy who takes an interest in you. Or that you have to change yourself completely, even if he says he like you the way you are, just to be together forever. There are a lot of these examples of how teenagers shouldn't act in these "novels", and we think that it is so sweet and innocent. Teenagers, girls in particular, are already screwed up enough, so Stephanie Meyer telling them they should all be in serious monogamous relationships where sex isn't involved until after marriage is Luddite and cruel, and is a recipe for feeling inadequate. Yes I have accepted that my daughter, by the time she is 18, will probably be having sex, and my answer to this is please practice safely, and don't do anything to compromise who you are. What is worse is that they are badly written, moral plays that have no real world application. If just one time, Bella had to rely on herself instead of some teenaged boy to help her, I wouldn't bash so much, but she is always "saved" by werewolves and vampires. Very women's lib.
because the movies were the worst ever. No one can act. Kristen Stewart has the emotional range of a toothpick. and Robert Pattenson is just creepy. I enjoyed the books then the movies came along.......
Debbie wrote: "because the movies were the worst ever. No one can act. Kristen Stewart has the emotional range of a toothpick. and Robert Pattenson is just creepy. I enjoyed the books then the movies came alon..."That is cruel. A toothpick has a lot of range!
Jocelyn wrote: "Caroline wrote: "the writing is NOT terrible (simplistic yes, but this IS a YA series, people);"YA is never, ever, ever an excuse for bad writing. It's this widespread belief--that overly simplis..."
I do agree that no matter what style of book or genre, that shouldn't be an excuse for writing.
my brother hates twilight even though he has never read the books or seen any of the films, and his opinion is that twilight ruined vampire and werewolves
honestly, They dont hate the series. They hate the actors, the movie! THE BOOK WAS INCREDIBLE. I started to dislike twilight because of the movie. once it came out. well, it was more than disappointing. Bella didnt have emotion. at all. There wasnt any real connection between the characters. and more complaints.
People who actually read a lot, and have read this book will most likely hate it. That includes myself, I hate this book series with a passion, it is a mockery to vampires, poorly written, so many things get tossed around in it and never get resolved. after the second book it felt like the author was in a rush to finish the story rather than trying to make it better. People hate this book because it's an awful series, people who like true vampires will hate this book and wish Buffy would come out and kill each and every one of these sparking fairies. It's not a matter of hating this book to be cool, or jel of bella and edward, i mean who the hell wants a stalker controlling boyfriend who forbids you to be with your friends and forces you to do all these things and spies on you.... that's not a relationship, in rl that's what you call an abuser. So yea, people hate this book series because it's not worth even liking a little bit.
because its just full of shit
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"Bella is a weak obsessive horny stupid girl. And Edward is a sparkling fairy that stalks her, spies on her by using his sister, wants to eat her, forbids her from seeing her friends, breaks her car so she wont go see Jacob, lies to her, and doesn't respect her fathers rules and boundaries. That right there, is called abuse, not a relationship, if someone wants a man like Edward, they are going to end up in the hospital with scars and a black eye.
What does the movie have to do with not liking the book? Sure, the movie stems from the book... but jeez. Please, don't assume that it's the movies' fault when the book itself is heavily flawed.BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "I was bored and i felt like taking the piss out of something stupid so here it goes-
Twilight-A WUVly emotastic girl named Bella(/emo child) goes to live with her father who WUVs her in a strange ..."
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I think alot of the reason (after conversations with numerouys friends) is the whole sparkiling thing. I am an avid vampire fan and although i understand Stephenie Meyer was trying to have a new take on vampires i also wasnt keen on that part but the stories overall i loved
To sum up all my feeling about the twilight series is that its way too unrealistic and worse still an enormously failed attempt to connect the mortal and the immortal world. The movies ruined the rest.I mean...how can anyone like the blue-grey skinned (as if kept in formalin for years)Robert Pattison and the severely aneamic looking Kristen Stewart. To top is all are the same sulken expressions they have throughout...to hard to bear it all...
Simply put, it's intended for a specific demographic: teenage girls. Kids' music is for kids, men's entertainment is for men, and BET is for African Americans and people who identify with that culture. You can enjoy any of those things without being a part of those demographics, but you're much less likely to. The way people pick on Twilight is similar to how people pick on Justin Bieber, which is ridiculous because OF COURSE he isn't a musical genius. His work isn't meant to please the general public. Twilight is just another young adult fiction to the general public, but an extremely popular book among teenage girls. I read Twilight when I was a teenage girl, and I got hooked. Now that I'm older and I tried it again, I can see why people hate it.
Twilight is like junk food, it's unhealthy but really tasty, and makes you feel good for a while.
I liked the first book, an then I started reading the second and I got kind of bored. Most people don't like the series, because, as most people have said, Bella is really not a strong character (I don't mean physically). She always has to rely on other people and when they're gone, she's just, not capable of doing anything anymore.
People like it because its fantasy and it's 'romantic' (depending on your personal idea of romantic). They like the love story. I guess some people want to daydream about vampires and stuff.Bella, however, has no personality that I can identify (and no, 'loyal' or 'brave' or whatever does NOT define a personality). She is always waiting for Edward (or Jacob. Or someone) to save her and that's not the message you want to send to teens. Then when she's a vampire and all powerful its only because Edward made her that way. its not in any way about her overcoming her own internal struggles or anything you might say regarding that.I'm fourteen, I've read them all, I can't say I hate them but they are definitely overrated and don't deserve the hype they get.
though the story is great, the character of bella is suicidal to get the attention of the guy or whatever. she's not a good example.
because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves
People hate it so much because most of them have not read the books, and the movies weren't all that great. (except breaking dawn 2) People thought/think that the actors chosen to play the roles in the movies are bad actors/actresses but there not. in the book there wasn't a lot of speaking. that's why they seem so (how shall I put this) slow. but there was more of what they were thinking and more emotions on the pages than conversations. that's what makes books so much better than movies. That and the fact that books last longer and there is more in them, where in a movie it last approximately 2 hours.
I've asked some people and from what I've heard they don't even give a chance to the book. They assume its lame and bad, and of course probably no everyone will like it but they just insult it so much because its cool. They also hate it for being mainstream and giving competition to Harry Potter.
Huh. No idea. I enjoyed the books. My friend only saw the first movie and hated it, too much 'angst' she reckoned. I think you need to read the books, not just see the movies, as the books let you know what characters are thinking and why. But each to his own, eh?
they probably hate it because it is a cliche and now it is its own stereotype like if you like twilight you are an obsessive fan girl who day dreams about love all day. peole just don't people to assume that of then as soon as the words i like twilight leave there lips
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"hahahahahahahaha no.
The hate comes from the misunderstanding of what the book is trying to teach us. Honestly, half of the people who hate are the people who only watched the movie, but didn't read the book.
Emilee wrote: "because you get attention when you say you hate something everyone else loves"LOOOOOL. This is the most hilarious reason I have ever seen anyone come up with.
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Yeah, I know they like to mock it! I mean, they are judging what they had to do for the movie. If I were RP, my first thing would be that I sparkle, but I mean they don't actually hate it, it made 3 best friends out of it (one couple) and it gave their careers a huge start!