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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?

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message 1201: by [deleted user] (new)

Peace wrote: "Tenetaur wrote: "What Felicia said, definitely.

I think it's the very idea of hating Twilight—I think it has little to do with the books themselves."

in some ways yes an no."


Care to elaborate on that?


message 1202: by Nada (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nada Al-Karmi Lea wrote: "nada wrote: "I hate it because the concept is just too stupid. The author made vampires sparkle, I mean that's just gay. She ruined vampires. Bella was a bitchy heroine who couldn't decide which gu..."

I do believe that i'm entitled to have an opinion & share it since the thread is asking about it. If you don't like my opinion, that's your business. However, you don't lash back at people because your into twilight & others aren't. By the way, I didn't mean any offense in using the word gay. what I meant was that vampires have the image of being dark creature, however, the author made them look like fairies.


message 1203: by Gerd (last edited Sep 16, 2012 10:29AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gerd nada wrote: "I hate it because the concept is just too stupid. The author made vampires sparkle, I mean that's just gay..."

So, to get this straight, you hate twilight because because you found the sparkling vampires too jolly?
(Not that I found the idea to be particularly brilliant myself, if I wanted to read about fairies I would of have bought a fairy book, wouldn't I?)


Heidi wrote: "I didnt say it was ignorant to want to have badass vampires. Its ignorant to call people gay, like being "gay" is a bad thing to be."

Oh, it is. If they insist on being gay in the early morning, rise and shine and being all smiles when the average person can at best be bothered to mumble a "Morning" after they had their first shot of coffee.


message 1204: by Mickey (last edited Sep 16, 2012 10:50AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mickey If you look at the first post, the intention of this thread is not to have yet another thread about the faults and flaws of Twilight. The intention was to discuss why is it that the haters are so virulent. It is rather unusual to have people hang around month after month, posting basically the same post about books they didn't like. It was more 'What's their problem?' than 'Tell me over and over all the problems you had with this series'.

Although I do think that everyone is entitled to their opinion, I think "haters" should realize that there is more to any book than just criticism. This is a book site. Fans want to get together and talk about the books, not hear over and over again how sparkling is stupid or contradictory posts about the quality of the writing. It gets boring to hear the same complaints over and over again.


message 1205: by Gerd (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gerd Well, if you're looking for a rationale why some people hate twilight with such fervour (which isn't very rational to being with, hatred being no rational emotion), it probably is because the series has become eponymous for two rising deadly sins:

1. Sloppy publishing
2. A new conservatism in perceived women’s roles.


message 1206: by Amy (last edited Sep 16, 2012 11:22AM) (new) - added it

Amy No, I don't like Twilight.
I think people hate Twilight so much, once after even possibly liking it, is because of what it's become. I had liked it as what it was before-- a love story which was only that and nothing more. But when people take something more out of it-- that it was brilliant, an epic love story, something that authors should model their relationships after, or something philisophical, something bigger, everything it has become, you can't help but start to dislike it. Dislike it because of what people think it is, and then slowly dislike it more and more until you just hate it for not being everything people think it is, and then really hate it because of the new readers and those people who like it or love it too much because that book is not worth loving.
That is, in my opinion, one of the few excusable reasons people hate Twilight.
But people actually hate Twilight, like Charity said above, because it's popular to hate Twilight, or because they hate the dramatic fandom of Twilight, or what it was-- which are not excusable reasons to hate Twilight. To dislike or hate Twilight, you must dislike or hate the actual book.
For example, the several other-- and I'm referring only to the reasonable ones and not the ones that claim they hate Twilight because Edward is a creeper and so forth-- comments made about Bella's lack of character, the lack of a substantial relationship, and so on.
Also, the hatred is somewhat due to the faces associated with the characters of Twilight, and also less reasonably, because of the movie.
Of course, I also absolutely hate those people who immediately declare, "I HATE Twilight," when the subject approaches, and they don't paticularly dislike it for any reason.
There are plenty of reasons to hate Twilight, but little to no reasons to love it.
Why do you LOVE Twilight?


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Hasn't anyone ever heard of creativity? People are constantly making fun of the idea of sparkling vampires, going on and on about how the vampires aren't "real" vampires. Well, that's utter nonsense.

Point-blank: Meyer stepped outside of the box, and she should be commended for that.

There's nothing wrong with a little originality.


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Effy wrote: "No, I don't like Twilight.
I think people hate Twilight so much, once after even possibly liking it, is because of what it's become. I had liked it as what it was before-- a love story which was o..."


I believe there are just as many reasons to love it as there are to hate it.

What this person hates about it could be the exact thing that that person loves about it.


message 1209: by i. (new) - rated it 3 stars

i. I think some people haven't read the book but hate the film.


message 1210: by B.L. (last edited Sep 16, 2012 02:49PM) (new)

B.L. Jones Tenetaur wrote: "Hasn't anyone ever heard of creativity? People are constantly making fun of the idea of sparkling vampires, going on and on about how the vampires aren't "real" vampires. Well, that's utter nonsens..."

Well thats true origionality is brilliant, i love it, but its just personally that when i think of sparkly vampires i dont think 'epic romance', 'dangerous', sexy or even interesting etc (which you can argue all you like but at least once in the series Meyer tried to convey ALL these things), all i can picture is a childrens hand made card, and well...DISNEY, if Disney were ever to do a film about vampires im bloody sure they would sparkle, assuming Twilight didnt exist obviously ;). Dont get me wrong i love Disney films, they were my childhood, but it means i cant take anything that reminds me of Disney seriously, bottom line vampires are preditors, killers by nature, killing+sparkling is hilarious, and if Twilight was a comedy id say it was amazing, but.... I know this is just my opinion and you have every right to yours. Lets leave it at that, you think its good i think its crappy, simple as, end of. xxx


message 1211: by Sue (new) - rated it 2 stars

Sue Bursztynski Far more people love it than hate it, which is why there are four movies and millions of sales and why one of my students looks at me with a quivering lip when I wear my "Buffy staked Edward" T shirt. ;-)
I'v only read the first one and basically it's not so much a case of "hate it" as of "This is so BORING! Nothing happened till 3/4 way through and when it did I simply didn't care".

But it wasn't written for the likes of me - a cynical old teacher-librarian - and I will say that the student with the quivering lip had read *nothing at all* before she discovered Twilight in fifth grade and now is a passionate reader. So thanks, Stephenie, for getting Taylor reading books! :-)


message 1212: by Heidi (new) - rated it 4 stars

Heidi Alexis wrote: "Twilight is good in the supernatural department, but it is sort of mushy. Bella's all like "Oh Edward, I love you so much, and she is like " Oh Jacob I jsut don't feel that way about you" She is a liar in that area, but I guess the story is just kinda funky. "

She was lying to him as much as herself. She didn't know that she was lying to him. Nor has she ever wanted to give him the wrong impression. She wanted the attention, and she was honest about that. But she was also honest that it would never go any where either. It was his choice to stay.


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Katie Paul wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"

Plenty of women send love letters to serial killers in prisons across the world. It speaks volumes."


huh?


message 1214: by Donna (new) - rated it 4 stars

Donna Reasons why the movie Twilight sucks-
1. Vampires that sparkle
2. Edward is a stalker
3. Bella is too depressing to watch. I mean she sulks around all the time
4. Warewolves who go shirtless in just about every scene

The books are better.


message 1215: by April (new) - rated it 5 stars

April I personally LOVE the series!! I think people don't like it because they think it's "cool" to hate the Twilight Saga I've loved the books ever since I read the first one when I was 13. But I personally love the series. The people that hate it can hate it.. That's there business, but don't try to convince me to hate it too!


message 1216: by Alexis (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alexis Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"

The books are sort of boring. There are no sacrifices on nobody's behalf. It was pretty dumb. Everything turned out to be amazng and just peachy. Where is the fun in that?


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Lea nada wrote: "Lea wrote: "nada wrote: "I hate it because the concept is just too stupid. The author made vampires sparkle, I mean that's just gay. She ruined vampires. Bella was a bitchy heroine who couldn't dec..."

I wasn't aware I lashed back at you - I was just talking. I haven't lashed out at anyone for disliking Twilight, there are some other aspects of the conversation that I don't like. But everyone is allowed to dislike Twilight - I'm not a freakish fan who thinks everyone should obsess over it. I'm sure you didn't mean 'gay' the way you used it, it's just not nice to use it that way at all. I think the vampires being sparkly is rather interesting, I know it's associated with something cute and fun. But it could also be dark fairies, evil witches, etc. Or think of beautiful things in nature that are very dangerous, the beauty is there to entice the prey. In the Cullens' family, that wouldn't make a difference. But the other vampires in the book are dark creatures who view humans as prey.


message 1218: by April (new) - rated it 3 stars

April Mathes I personally enjoyed the books. Didn't care for the sparkle bit though. It was to random and I just found it silly. That aside I thought it was good. As for the movie, I disliked it entirely-not because of Stewart entirely. Her acting was poor, thats putting it nicely. The director just didn't catch the essence of the book. Each scene felt like it didn't fit. And I thought the vampires were suppose to look good. The girls were cute but the guys looked like they were on drugs or something. And I know the actors actually are attractive in everyday lives. And why isn't Jacobs hair long after the first one?


message 1219: by Katrina (new) - rated it 2 stars

Katrina why wouldnt they


message 1220: by Katrina (new) - rated it 2 stars

Katrina how bout we talk about somethin else?


message 1221: by Katrina (new) - rated it 2 stars

Katrina how bout we talk about somethin else?


message 1222: by Katrina (new) - rated it 2 stars

Katrina ikr me to


message 1223: by Alex (last edited Sep 19, 2012 08:01AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alex okay! I have a question, since I don't know how to post a thread on here or anything...

If you could change any aspect of the Twilight novels, which would it be and why? It could be from a particular book, or the whole series.


message 1224: by Hannah (new) - rated it 5 stars

Hannah I really loved the books, they are one of my favourite series but when they got made into films, everything got tainted. Suddenly people who have never read the books are just jumping on the band wagon and for a while the word twilight couldn't be uttered without hoards of screaming young girls appearing. When that happens ( as it does with plenty of things like Justin Bieber and One Direction ) then people who have never read twilight aren't hating the books/films, they are hating the reaction it causes. That's what I think anyway.


message 1225: by Mansi (new) - rated it 1 star

Mansi Agarwal "I HATE TWILIGHT" is the 1st thing i heard when i asked anyone about the book. But as i had never read a vamp book before, i thought of giving it a try as it was creating such a rage in the market. Come on, they wouldn't have created a movie on a book which everyone thought was lame. After reading it, I kind of liked it. But after reading the vampire diaries series and the vampire academy series, the only word that came in my mind for twilight was "LAME". Any vampire book which you would read 1st would create a good impression as vamp books are at a different level. But the twilight books are meant for people with the idea of "A PERFECT LOVE STORY".


message 1226: by Faith (new) - rated it 2 stars

Faith HAHAHA. my first response after reading the question.

Because it's incredibly badly written?


Gabriela I loved the story and the fantasy!
...but, lets be honest the two main characters totally suck, I mean Bella is so whiny and indecisive and Edward is a control freak...I kept thinking Get a grip,people! No normal person would act like that or tolerate this behaviour!!!


message 1228: by Debra (new) - rated it 3 stars

Debra Lochridge I appreciate Twilight for what it is. For me it was series that opened the triology loving door. Besides Harry Potter, of course.
After reading Twilight I found other series that I loved even more and then started realizing that Twilight was missing so much and it wasn't the epic story I once believed it to be. But still, it was the beginning of an urban fantasy/paranormal love for me and I'll always give it that credit.


message 1229: by Alexis (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alexis 707 Donna wrote: "Reasons why the movie Twilight sucks-
1. Vampires that sparkle
2. Edward is a stalker
3. Bella is too depressing to watch. I mean she sulks around all the time
4. Warewolves who go shirtless in jus..."


That is so true. Although, the books are a little too depressing to read at some points.


message 1230: by Alexis (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alexis Debra wrote: "I appreciate Twilight for what it is. For me it was series that opened the triology loving door. Besides Harry Potter, of course.
After reading Twilight I found other series that I loved even more..."


That is sort of the same for me. I wasn't into the whole idea of paranormal love and horror before I read Twilight. Now, that is all I read. I loved Twilight, and then I read other series in the same genre and realized that Twilight sucks. Even the movie's aren't that good, but I still want to see how much they changed Bella in Breaking Dawn 2 the movie.


message 1231: by Alexis (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alexis Kaylee wrote: "An I forgot to say.. you keep harassing other users and commenting on their ideas and stuff. So go f urself!"

What did she say?


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Alexis Mansi wrote: ""I HATE TWILIGHT" is the 1st thing i heard when i asked anyone about the book. But as i had never read a vamp book before, i thought of giving it a try as it was creating such a rage in the market...."

I didn't like the Vampire Diarie's books as much as I do the series, and Damon is so hot. I did read Vampire Academy and loved it and you are completley correct.


message 1233: by Alexis (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alexis April wrote: "I personally enjoyed the books. Didn't care for the sparkle bit though. It was to random and I just found it silly. That aside I thought it was good. As for the movie, I disliked it entirely-not be..."

Yeah, that is so true. Jake's hair isn't long in the second half of New Moon and the rest of the series, because he is now a wolf and he had to cut it or his fur would have been trailing on the ground.


message 1234: by Sofia (new) - rated it 1 star

Sofia I think the reason that people hate twilight so much is because its just dumb and Bella'a character doesnt even try


message 1235: by Deliriate (last edited Sep 19, 2012 09:40PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Deliriate Lea wrote: "Peace wrote: "nada wrote: "I hate it because the concept is just too stupid. The author made vampires sparkle, I mean that's just gay. She ruined vampires. Bella was a bitchy heroine who couldn't d..."

The thing is. There is a line between good fiction and bad fiction. Even though it's an entirely different genre, Scifi movies are a prime example.

Let's take two creature movies.. let's just say The first few Alien movies compared to some horribly and cheaply made movie that Syfy produced.

Do you really think that defending and passing off sparkling vampires as a poor attempt of being unique in the fantasy genre is still a good idea?

I know that movies and books aren't always the same but (to me anyway) the thought process behind the two aren't so different.


message 1236: by Steven (new) - rated it 2 stars

Steven Thomas To quote something I saw on Facebook, UP told a better love story in 8 minutes then Twilight did in 5 movies!


message 1237: by Kyrianna (last edited Sep 19, 2012 10:21PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kyrianna You know this question is asked alot and the truth is many people hate many books. We all have our own tastes. And to be honest we only see alot of hate with a popular series because it's popular. If it's a book not well know there may be people out there that hate it but since it's not in the media we don't hear about it. The only other reason I think ALOT of people don't like it is because Vampire stories have such a big fan base and when someone changes what they know of Vampires I think they feel like the author is mocking them or something. I don't know. I think it was brave of Stephenie to take Vampires and give them a new face. It's refreshing to read a book that has new ideas about something well known. Even though Twilight isn't the best thing I've read it still is a good story by a craetive author.


Deliriate Kaylee wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "Peace wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "Alexis wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "An I forgot to say.. you keep harassing other users and commenting on their ideas and stuff. So go f urself!"

What did she..."


It's a discussion about everything and anything about Twilight. Not just about how much you guys seem to obsess over it.


message 1239: by Kirby (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kirby actually, I think it's more about why people respond with such hatred and disdain over these particular books. I've disliked plenty of books, but I wouldn't say things like, "you've got to be either a 12-year-old girl or a lonely housewife to enjoy it" or "you just haven't read anything else," or other such insults directed toward the fans of those books...


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Marilyn wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "Peace wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "Alexis wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "An I forgot to say.. you keep harassing other users and commenting on their ideas and stuff. So go f urself!..."

Also not just about how terribly awful some of you think it is.


message 1241: by Laura (new) - rated it 3 stars

Laura Hinrichsen I think before the movies came out the general consensus was leaning more toward love than hate and after it sort of changed more toward the hate. For a few reasons, firstly, personally I thought there was really bad casting done for a lot of the characters... I don't want to say that a lot of the actors were bad, per se, because maybe they're not, but i think many of them were really not right for the roles. I also think (the same as when the Harry Potter books became really popular and were made into movies) that a lot of people just watched the movies, and it's really hard to explain everything in a movie from a book, the movies might be fine when you've actually read the books and understand what's going on and the backstory and why people are doing and saying what they are, and those things just don't translate when you've only seen the movies. Just my opinion on the matter. I know I can remember being really excited to find out what actor was playing Edward, then hearing it was robert pattinson, which back then meant nothing besides, "who? wait, that was the ugly kid who played cedric diggory, right?" :s Ugh, I didn't have high hopes for the rest after hearing that...


message 1242: by Carly (new) - rated it 1 star

Carly Mariah wrote: "Ohmg........guys why do u hate twilight soooo much?????? Its perfect .....i love it......( but u kniw what the reason behind my unconditional love for it is just EDWARD????AND ONLY EDWARD) but yes ..."

Everyone likes or dislikes something for their own reasons. Everyone is different.


message 1243: by Carly (new) - rated it 1 star

Carly Mariah wrote: "Carly wrote: "Mariah wrote: "Ohmg........guys why do u hate twilight soooo much?????? Its perfect .....i love it......( but u kniw what the reason behind my unconditional love for it is just EDWARD..."

What you like is what you like and that's fine, but it seems to me you feel a bit insecure about the fact that there are others that dislike something you like. There is no need to let yourself worry about it. Like what you like, don't let me define your self-esteem. :)


message 1244: by B.L. (last edited Sep 21, 2012 02:56PM) (new)

B.L. Jones I would write more about why i think Twilight is..ok idont HATE it, but reasons why i think it doesnt deserve all the praise it gets, this video expresses my feelings towards Twilight (books and movies)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKSnIr...


message 1245: by Alexis (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alexis BridieJDRAGON wrote: "I would write more about why i think Twilight is..ok idont HATE it, but reasons why i think it doesnt deserve all the praise it gets, this video expresses my feelings towards Twilight (books and mo..."

LOL he is hilarious


message 1246: by Alexis (new) - rated it 2 stars

Alexis Peace wrote: "just a thought here. does everyone have 2 keep talking about it? it does get bit on the boring side, when its about the same subject. somone did made a good comment that up there."

Well, I posted a who do you think Bella should have chosen discussion.


Elizabeth Day I personally think it is because we have grown up in a society where once something becomes too popular, others decide they are too cool for it. It's happened with Harry Potter, Twilight, and plenty of other things people were crazy about in the being.


message 1248: by Kirby (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kirby Peace wrote: "just a thought here. does everyone have 2 keep talking about it? it does get bit on the boring side, when its about the same subject. somone did made a good comment that up there."

I don't quite understand why you keep trying to derail this discussion. but, if you're just tired of getting updates for it, you can click the "edit" link beside "You are following this discussion" at the right-hand corner of the comment box...then you can choose to not be notified when people comment- problem solved!


message 1249: by Paying (new) - rated it 1 star

Paying Some people just don't like it because others likes it so much and talk's about it so much that it gets annoying... well at least that's how I feel


Deliriate Mariah wrote: "Ohmg........guys why do u hate twilight soooo much?????? Its perfect .....i love it......( but u kniw what the reason behind my unconditional love for it is just EDWARD????AND ONLY EDWARD) but yes ..."

If it is perfect in your opinion, there is no need for you to try to shove your opinion down our throats. There are far better books out there I would much rather read. And before you open your mouth and say that I need to read the books, believe me. I have read them and regret picking that trash up.


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