Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
I read the first one before the series was discovered and liked it, but at the same time was disturbed (like many of you mentioned) at the way it glorified Bella and Edward's mopey obsessive relationship. Being the cool aunt with no kids at the time - I had to back up my sister and sister-in-laws when they told their 11/12-year-old daughters that they weren't ready for it, even though all their friends had read them. It's a terrible example of teenage love and relationships and Bella is rewarded for being moody, lust-filled, and trying to hurt herself.I enjoyed it as fiction - but by the end of the series was so OVER it, (the last book was the last nail in the coffin) while to contrast, the last Harry Potter book confirmed and supported my love for the whole series.
Sarah wrote: "The biggest problem with Twilight is the weakness of Bella's character. She lacks self-reliance, she's dishonest, and she's a bad daughter. She puts her own desires and drives above the needs of th..."did we read the same book?? lol
to tell you th truth t is the moviei hate notthe book it wa ok ifact the fiirst vamp i picked up i still liked it . ut the oug girl who iss actually a good actress screewed the poochon thiss chaaxter in the book bellla laughes and is free the actress protrase her as ann emtiolaee lump of person
people have just read it and its not there cup of tea, and instead of saying "meh, no big deal" and never pck it up again, they have to get so opinionated about it to be added into a conversation..... agreed!
i found that the books of twilight and the movies of twilight are quite spectacular, really. because they are full of interesting characters and stephanie Meyer has the ability of creating the world of vampires and werewolves, and that, i think, is a wonderful and spiritual idea. i have always thought this would be an interesting concept. i know quite a bit about vampires (well, apart from they don't like garlic, for one thing), but werewolves i found very different from the vampires because hey, they run pretty fast...but vampires, i think, run faster because they have adrenaline rushes, strength, ability to read minds, and being able to resist the taste of human blood. i like werewolves and vampires because they're different from each other. with werewolves, they imprint on people, so that they can't be harmed. vampires have laws and the volturi don't give them second chances. Volturi have a way of inflicting pain on people who don't deserve pain.
Some people just don't understand the book so instead of reading it all the way through they just watch the movies. To us it makes sense because we know the whole thing but to people who only watch the movie their like Jacob's hot, Bella choose him!! People I know who read the book are team Edward or team Jacob for other reasons that has to do with their personality. Bella is a beautiful character that when faced with a certain chooses to protect her loved ones instead of herself. Also she is not dishonest in a way that's hurtful. She's trying to protect her father and the people she loves from becoming a vampire. I don't know about you but how many high schoolers cook for their dad? Yeah right, none! I think that Bella tries so hard to be flawless when she is already perfect. Plus, the Cullens are hard to live up to and Bella did something that no one else would do, she died for her lover and practically destroyed herself to protect her baby. I love her so much!!
Emily wrote: "I don't know about you but how many high schoolers cook for their dad?"If the alternative was starving or living off canned goods? A lot, I'd say. :)
I read all the books and this series dies for me around Eclipse, which I struggled through. Breaking Dawn I nearly threw against the wall about halfway through, but finished because I had started the series and I wanted to see how it all ended up. Bella is a HORRIBLE protaganist, period. She has no particular strengths or unique qualities in her own story, god - does she even have hobbies. I don't know what makes her 'go' besides 'luv' for Edward and an involvement in the supernatural world is mostly accidental and never proactive. And she has these two superhuman boys gaga over her for no good reason. By comparison, I just finished Hunger Games and Katniss is a cold girl, who I don't know that I ever much liked over the course of the three book series, but I've read few YA books as good as Hunger Games and would quickly recommend it to anyone who was a fan of the genra. Somehow the books manage to keep up a breakneck speed and retain an adventurous atmostphere, while still nurturing a love triangle for all it's worth and never giving you any comfort in who she'll choose. Not to mention making a huge statement on the cruelness of humanity and an individual responsibilities in fighting against it. Not to mention, Katniss is a person who at her worse moments I feel connected to and care about - rather I like her or not. She has unique talents, hobbies, and despite not liking her myself I never questioned what motivated the interest of the boys that wanted her. She was also a hero in her own story. Bella never was a hero, a villian, or anything of marginal significance, even after her transformation into a Vampire.
Not to mention Meyer, for no good reason, threw out every price to be paid for the character's transition into vamperisim, despite long speeches on the difficulty of 'control' for young vamps. And 'Nessy' was just stupid, no more, no less. Sparkly vampires aside, I think a better book could be written about other characters in the series. For example, Carlise's struggle with his human-ness and life with the Volturi. And what about Jasper or Rosalie? Talk about a good story going to waste as backgroud to the story of how Bella Swan fell in love.
Dawn wrote: "I read all the books and this series dies for me around Eclipse, which I struggled through. Breaking Dawn I nearly threw against the wall about halfway through, but finished because I had started t..."
I agree i read the series but she could have made Bella more independent. Girls (about my age im 12) dont need to think you have to have a man to survive. We survived without them once we can do it again. we need to know that we have a choice and we have a voice that sometimes needs to be spoken. not if i dont have a man my life is over. Thats not how it works. Take Katniss for exaple she was strong and independent even after she fell in love. Or Hermione she loved Ron but she was still top in her class. and strong willed and caring for people other than the man she loved. dont get me wrong it was a good series at its time but. Bella isnt a good character
I agree i read the series but she could have made Bella more independent. Girls (about my age im 12) dont need to think you have to have a man to survive. We survived without them once we can do it again. we need to know that we have a choice and we have a voice that sometimes needs to be spoken. not if i dont have a man my life is over. Thats not how it works. Take Katniss for exaple she was strong and independent even after she fell in love. Or Hermione she loved Ron but she was still top in her class. and strong willed and caring for people other than the man she loved. dont get me wrong it was a good series at its time but. Bella isnt a good character
I think its Marmite. Love it or hate it. I agree Bella in the movies is god awful, she is sullen bordering on suicidal, she has not 1 redeeming quality but in the books she is slightly more interesting. She is a teenage girl going through her 1st 'love'
of course every thing is life or death to her, show me 1 teenager who doesn't over react. Is any if the characters are flawed, for be personally its Edward, like I said Bella is a teenager, Edward is what, 87, 102 or something along those lines yet he acts like a sulky teenager most of the time.
I personally love the books, hate the movies with a passion though.
For my personal opinion, I think everyone loved the Twilight Saga, until they made it into a movies. There's nothing wrong with the plot, characters etc., etc. But when it became a movie suddenly it was hyped and everybody's raving to read it. And the most hated part is, the movie characters, it was a HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT esp. for Bella and Edward. It was way to far from their character in the book. I suggest if they want to reboot the movie or whatever, atleast make some effort to find the right actor/ actress to suit for the characters. There's nothing wrong with the book. A lot of novel make it to the adaptation which is really really great (Harry Potter) but never been so hated as much as Twilight. :) Just think of this, people wouldn't buy the second, third and fourth book if they didn't like it in the first place. If they hated Twilight at first. But I'd seen some of them has a whole series of Twilight even the Novella's, so I gues ya, the problem is the movie. Not the book. That's just an opinion, no haters please. :)
I didnt read any comments because there are so many so i apologize if i repeat any things. I think it's because the watched the movie, and didn't like it and because its about vampires they dont think its cool. Also Bella got on my nerves a tad. I read all four books before the movies came out and i loved them, truly i did. I went nuts about them. when the movies came out i love some of that love for them. they did so poorly that it didn't make people want to read the books and realize how good they actually are. Plus Bella was a wreck. she made bad choices and couldn't pick between a werewolf or a vampire seemed a tad silly.
Okay, this is off the topic of Twilight, but I'm writing something and I need a very dangerous disease, that is not contagious, that kills young children and has a lot of symptoms. Really any disease that can kill young children. Please respond.
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"
I think you are on target! They are the types who don't believe in love and are cynical to the core.
I think you are on target! They are the types who don't believe in love and are cynical to the core.
Gwynneth wrote: "Sarah wrote: "The biggest problem with Twilight is the weakness of Bella's character. She lacks self-reliance, she's dishonest, and she's a bad daughter. She puts her own desires and drives above t..."
Charlie didn't mean to but he neglected her too much. He really just wanted to fish, etc. He was the NON talk type.
Bella was used to being neglected.
Charlie didn't mean to but he neglected her too much. He really just wanted to fish, etc. He was the NON talk type.
Bella was used to being neglected.
I actually meant for my comment to be answered. But that's okay.
like i said ithink its tthe movie not the book the actters ike bella bring you so down i could slit my wrists in the theaterannd i do nno feei that way with the books razzorette
people like to hate just out of spite i mean alot of people love twilight (like me) and othrs dont but most of the haters just dislike it because so many do...it that makes any sense at ALL
Okay I figured out why girls love this series so much. We like boys and shiny things...put those two together and you have a best seller.
Alexandria wrote: "Girls who read books with a female protagonist want a strong women, some one that they can look up to. Take Katniss Everdeen for example, she's strong, independent, and determined. It's no wonder that the Hunger games is so easy to get lost in, where as Twilight's main character lacks those key personality traits and is hard to keep reading."There's a fair amount of generalizing here. Obviously, many girls want more nuances to their female characters than simply having certain key characteristics. (Twilight is popular, after all.) Personally, I think that this insistence for girl characters to have certain key traits or judging their personalities based on only those traits is going to result in bad female characters.
I know I use this comparison a lot, probably because I haven't read The Hunger Games, but look at the Harry Potter male characters. Was Harry always strong, independent, and determined? (He always had a lot of help, something Voldemort harped about, but I've never heard anyone complain that he was weak and did nothing. He isn't judged the same way as girl characters are.) Was Ron always strong, independent, and determined? (He ran out on Harry and Hermione in the last book and dealt a couple times with being jealous of Harry.) Was Hermione afforded the same latitude to develop into a nuanced character? I don't think so. I think she just evidenced the proper girl characteristics and that's when her character development stopped.
I'm not saying that there should never role model characters or fantasy characters whose lives or selves are enviable, but to say that all female characters should be role models or that women only want those types of characters is limiting.
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Ok! My turn. I've read this book as well as probably every other vampire book in the world so i think that makes me qualified to respond. I'll admit i went through a twilight phase myself....when i was 19...i think. Still in my teens so i understand my fascination with it. Now that i'm older i look back at it with serious confusion. For those of you who are into vampire novels....have you tried "The Immortal Rules" By Julie Kagawa or "Bane" By H.M Ward or even "Darkride" ....now those are some vampire books! I love their writing style...and in each of these books there was of course a love interest...only difference is the characters spent the majority of the book getting to know one another so that when the L word finally came around it was like "Well DUH! Of course you two love one another. It's so evident!" But then there's Bella and Edward who spend half the book hiding from one another. Some how the masochistic lion fell in love with the lamb and no one knows why. It's just not a very believable love story. The men hate it because there's barely any action...i know they're probably waiting for this last book preparing themselves for a full blown war...but in the very last book...they stand miles apart from one another and enter a staring contest.
The number ONE reason i'm sure everyone hates twilight by now is because vampires sparkle....they sparkle...for centuries we've been taught to fear vampires...that they can't come out in the sun...but now we learn that oh...hey they can it's just that they sparkle like beauutiiifullll diamonds when they come out. Yeah...definitely scared now. So of course men are against it. Then there's Bella...My Lord...what was the message in book two? If you can't be with the one you love...try and kill yourself? She was depressed for months. half the book was her trying to kill herself and sitting around as the months passed by. Honestly...i have to agree with Amy's statement above...saying Bella never loved Jacob...that it was the baby...was incredibly stupid and definitely a copout. Just looking back at the book and the movie....i had more reason to laugh when Jacob and Bella were together than when Edward and Bella were together. Everything was forced. I think this book would have taken a nicer spin if at the end Jacob ended up with bella and not because i'm team sparkle or team heat...but because it made sense. This November...ends our torture.
I could honestly go on...but i have to go back to life sooooo....i don't think it was so much the book as it was the flawed characters. Ok...the flawed characters and the book. It's not a love story because there was simply no reason for the two to be in love.
It's not a vampire book...because they were barely vampires! So what is it?
Shrug. I'm going to get back to my Vampire Diaries Show and True Blood...where vampires still can't go out in the sun and they definitely do not sparkle.
Janese wrote: "For me, the problem with the last book was the complete lack of any kind of battle with the Volturi, and the fact that EVERYTHING was tied up in nice pretty bows for Bella: she had Edward, got to b..."You are on the same page as me!!!! Idk you but you're awesome. I thought the same thing. When the last book came out i was like finally....a battle. Little did i know a staring contest would ensue. It's the only vampire book i've ever read with a happy ending. The Charlie thing bugged me to death...And another big copout for me was that she conveniently just started branching away from her mother. her mom who was so close to her in book one and was just at the wedding with her ex husband Charlie...didn't find it weird that she hadn't heard from her daughter in months? Wasn't worried. Whereas Charlie was calling almost every day. NO ONE DIED. It's a vampire book how can this be? The great thing about Harry Potter was that the author was not afraid to let go of an important character. You came to appreciate the characters more simply because you never knew when they'd leave. Kind of like the Vampire Diaries show or True blood. So i 100% agree with you. Everything was tied with a pretty little ribbon. I felt like the book should've started off with "Once Upon a time...there was a vampire. He was so sad and lonely and couldn't go out because he sparkled like a beautiful diamond. And then there was a girl...plain but different....blah blah blah." The last book killed twilight for me as well. It's ok to lose a character...a main character.
Mickey wrote: "Alexandria wrote: "Girls who read books with a female protagonist want a strong women, some one that they can look up to. Take Katniss Everdeen for example, she's strong, independent, and determine..."I agree.
~☆ Alice☆~ wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"I think you are on target! They are the types who don't believe in love and are cynical to the core."
People who don't like the same books as you are jealous of FICTIONAL characters? Really girls?
Andy wrote: "Okay, this is off the topic of Twilight, but I'm writing something and I need a very dangerous disease, that is not contagious, that kills young children and has a lot of symptoms. Really any disea..."Kind of got lost there in all the ruckus didn't you? Someone will answer - if I come up with something I'll let you know!
Carla wrote: "For my personal opinion, I think everyone loved the Twilight Saga, until they made it into a movies. There's nothing wrong with the plot, characters etc., etc. But when it became a movie suddenly i..."Excuse me - I love the Twilight books. But it's completely silly to say that everyone loved them. Clearly this was not the case, movie or no movie. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with your beloved Twilight, it means it wasn't someone's cup of tea. Accept it.
Gerd wrote: "Emily wrote: "I don't know about you but how many high schoolers cook for their dad?"If the alternative was starving or living off canned goods? A lot, I'd say. :)"
It's not that unusual. Young teenagers in high school are given responsibilities in their homes, or the family takes turns. What year do you think it is?
Everyone on here already said what I think( IT SUCKS!!) And that, my confused and derailed friend is the absolute truth :) P.S if you think I am wrong, then watch Alex reads Twilight and he will point out some of the many basic flaws with this poorly written series.
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"Sorry I just had to comment again! I can't stop laughing at this so thanks for making my day
Mary wrote: "How can you not like Twlight .I think that we are all a little like Belly and Edward at some point in our lives.I have loved that deeply where I would give up everything to be with the one I loved...."Mary wrote: "How can you not like Twlight .I think that we are all a little like Belly and Edward at some point in our lives.I have loved that deeply where I would give up everything to be with the one I loved...."
Wow. I'm a fan of Twilight, but some of the other fans I run across scare the hell out of me. SOME PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THIS BOOK. It's okay. They're allowed. It doesn't mean they're cold-hearted and never fell in love it means one thing...THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT. Twilight fans need to start accepting this, so those of us who are sane and liked Twilight can stop feeling embarassed.
Devin...."RAWR!" wrote: "Megan (I heart FINNICK) wrote: "Never read them...i have the answer!!! VAMPIRES AND WEREWOLVES SOUND STUPID!!!!"
Dude. That is pretty much every book out there now."
I was at B&N three times this week, scanned the shelves for hours. And found books on infinite subjects. Get over it.
Shelly wrote: "any movie or book they make a spoof out of is hated it is a universap rule"It is?
Lea wrote: "Devin...."RAWR!" wrote: "Megan (I heart FINNICK) wrote: "Never read them...i have the answer!!! VAMPIRES AND WEREWOLVES SOUND STUPID!!!!"
Dude. That is pretty much every book out there now."
I w..."
Who are you talking to?
Janese wrote: "For me, the problem with the last book was the complete lack of any kind of battle with the Volturi, and the fact that EVERYTHING was tied up in nice pretty bows for Bella: she had Edward, got to b..."Elizabeth wrote: "look i know you hate them but hates a strong word, haters leave off the lovers and lovers leave off the haters. because no matter what there will always be lovers and haters, take the Holocaust esp..."
I just want to point out that Alice did run off and find other children like Bella's offspring. So she wasn't the only one.
Morgan wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Morgan wrote: "Plain and simple: the women have no real depth and the men run their lives."I disagree that the women have no depth. I actually think the problem people are having i..."
Alright - I'm getting annoyed with everyone mentioning and arguing with the fact that Bella cooks for her father. What is wrong with that? She likes to cook, she prefers actual meals to what he generally heated up for himself. He never required her to do it. I like to cook, I love to cook for my boyfriend and when I get the chance I love to cook for my father. Be more open-minded people.
i cook alot and im only 12 i cook for my grandparents and my parents there is nothing wrong with it but i can say i dont really like Bella
Mickey wrote: "Alexandria wrote: "Girls who read books with a female protagonist want a strong women, some one that they can look up to. Take Katniss Everdeen for example, she's strong, independent, and determine..."Hermione has developed as a character. The Hermione from first year who was more afraid of being expelled from school than of dying from a 3 headed dog, the girl who was more interested in being a know-it-all who refused to break the rules is different than the Hermione who didn't hesitate to drop out of Hogwarts her 7th year to go and hunt down horocruxes because it was the right thing to do.
the guy sucked as as a vsmpire pure and simple he was a 1800 century human who had a skin disease.the book was ok the movie was a disaster bella and all of them wwere poor trayed to have safe sex before marriage s.myers saidd that the movie has 3 hottest runnjing around lookingrediculious razzorette
The way on how the story turns out. I was curious of all the fuss when everyone is talking about this young adult novel after it released in paperback. I've read Dracula, The Silver Kiss, Dead Until Dark and Anne Rice vampire novels, so I'm pretty sure I do have back stories on vampire-romance stories, "real" romance between a mortal & a vampire; but after reading Twilight (the first book) it's just makes me wander that I only got nothing (from the main characters, the plot & even their so-called struggles). I know that I don't have to compare these other great books for Twilight, but how can you assess what you've read if you don't have any other point of reference. And yes, the book is another passable story, hyped by the mainstream media and labeled as being "cool to read."PS I don't hate it, I just don't like it on a cloud 9 that much.
Dawn wrote: "I read all the books and this series dies for me around Eclipse, which I struggled through. Breaking Dawn I nearly threw against the wall about halfway through, but finished because I had started t..."I just couldn't agree more with what you wrote! For the longest time i tried to figure out what it was that annoyed me so much about Bella's character and it hit me when you wrote this comment. I have no idea who she is...I don't know if she likes books, movies, popcorn, soda...i don't know if she's ever liked a human boy before. I don't know one thing that defines her other than her love for Edward. If someone told me to describe Bella without using Edwards name....God what would i say.
She's...a girl. That's all i got. Strip away Edward and that's all you have. Breaking Dawn just about blew it for me. Everything tied together way too perfectly. Where was the realness in this story? Realness fact number 1: So Bella becomes pregnant and the only person who notices her absense is Charlie? I thought her and her mother was so close? And even if they weren't she striked me as the loving selfless kind of mother...she didn't notice her own daughters absense? Didn't demand proof that she was alive? My mother would put Sherlock Holmes to shame if i went missing. It really was just a useless book...I have no idea when i started to feel that way...but when it first came out (although i was still technically a teenager) i thought the book was a gift from God Almighty. Now I would gladly use the books to start a fire if i ever needed to. Whereas hunger games...I'd sooner cut off my hair and sacrifice a limb before i used that book to start a fire.
Cant wait till November! The end is near! Thank Goodness
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
Totally!! Even I read the books, not because I was extremely interested, more like to find out why people were talking so much. And I must say, I didn't really like them, but hey, people's tastes differ. Of course, they're completely idiotic in parts, (and I forced myself to finish reading New Moon- LOL ) but I'm OK with people liking it. The thing is, Twilight is kinda like Bieber, if you know what I mean. :D
I enjoy reading those books, but to the movies, I think the whole player are just messing it up, especially for Bella (no offense for their fan), I mean, please, does she ever have another expression than just to look sad?? That even not a sad expression, that is more like expression-less. And if a lot of people who hate Twilight, I think maybe its because the story and the caracters that Meyer describe was to-good-to-be-true. I know its fantasy novel, and in fantasy, logic seems to be so far away, but people prefer to read something that close to real daily life. And relationship between Edward and Bella which is sooo unreasonable is waaaayy too much for those people. CMIIW
It's repetitive misogynist drivel.
lol what? Who do Bella and Edward have? Their love is so unrealistic in so many ways that it made it hard to believe in their love. I've read the the books, in the first one I was a really huge fan. Then I read the second, turned Team Jacob and started to really hate Edward and was mad at Bella for taking him with open arms when he was back. And really? She went into such a depression over a BREAK UP. It was really pathetic. And then came the third book which I really really hate. And in the end I hated everyone besides Jacob. The fourth book was just plain stupid. Like she's out of ideas.
I think most people haven't read it and just assume it's really stupid and bad. That was kind of me before I read it-- "psh, vampires in love? Cheesy! Why waste my time?" but I read it and will never badmouth the series again!!!
Ellie wrote: "I think most people haven't read it and just assume it's really stupid and bad. That was kind of me before I read it-- "psh, vampires in love? Cheesy! Why waste my time?" but I read it and will ..."Well lot of people in previous comments said that they read it and didnt really like it, I dont hate the series, but I still couldnt make myself finish the series. I just got so fed up with Bella and Edward that I just couldnt. (btw I read lot of vampire romance books) So just because you liked it after you read it doesnt mean everyone is the same. If everyone liked the same things there would be no need to have different things and there would be no different opinions or discussions
I wish people would stop saying that those who hate this series haven't read it. I know that's true in some cases, but if you read through the comments in this thread, you'll see that a lot of the criticisms come from people who did read the books. Not just because they say they did, but because they can speak about it in depth, and with specific complaints. I like the books, but I recognize many of the problems with them, and I understand how some people would be turned off by them. But the bottom line is that if you (whoever) like them, it doesn't matter if other people don't. I'm sure it's not bothering S. Meyer in the least as she cashes in her royalty checks, lol!
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Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
yeah, pretty much. I remember when Twilight was popular. Couple months later, everyone hated it. I have to admit that I don't like Twilight at all, but I don't go around hating people who do.