Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
I also thinks that part of the reason people hate twilight is the movies, people who have never even read the books ( I actually enjoyed the books I read them a long long time ago) the movies were horrible and cheesy. After everyoone made such a big deal of the books, it then became cool to hate twilight. Also people have to take them for what they are a quick read that you dont take seriously.
Meesh wrote: "Those who legitimately enjoy reading, like myself, can see that this book sucks. It fuels the most supreme epic princess fantasy for girls. She's supposedly beautiful without knowing it, highly int..."I "legitimately enjoy reading" and guess what? I loved Twilight. Twilight isn't meant to be great literature. It's just an easy fun read. Yeah it is a little overdramatic and unrealistic, but it's also targeted towards preteens. Besides, what's so wrong about the occasional princess fantasy?
Rachel wrote: "Personally, I hate it because of the message it sends to the target audience. The underlying message of this book is that it's okay to change yourself to fit someone else. One of Bella's main strug..."Bella wanted to be a vampire so they would have the same lifespan, not so she would be perfect.
Nikki wrote: "I also thinks that part of the reason people hate twilight is the movies, people who have never even read the books ( I actually enjoyed the books I read them a long long time ago) the movies were ..."the movies sucked!!! and i see how people drew to the conclusion that twilight sucked based soley on the films because they weren't the best book to film adaption ever and i think the movie is what put people off the books so they never had the chance to see what the series really was!!
it's okay every now and again to have a fantasy world to drift off into when the reall one starts to press on you with the feel of the weight of the earth! it's just a book series after all, can't people just stop judging other people based on what they like to read?! oh wait, that's right no one can stop for just a second and see that anyone else might know better than them on something!
I wish people would stop asking this question.All it does is invite the haters out to shout repetitive critiscims.
Why do people hate twilight? Because that's their opinion.
And also, honestly, sometimes some people are just looking for someone/something different from them to hate on. Often, people read the book from a biased perception, and refuse to take it or the people who like it seriously. They fail to overcome their bias and give the book a chance (some of the time... not saying this is true of all people who dislike it, but I'm talking about the diehard haters who are just as bad as the Twitards). I personally don't like the book all that much, but I'm beyond the point where I would make fun of someone/critise or torment someone for liking it. I don't take it as an insult. I'm just beyond all that.
Some people only have room for hate. I don't want to be one of them- no matter what it is they're hating on.
1luvbooks wrote: "I wish people would stop asking this question.All it does is invite the haters out to shout repetitive critiscims.
Why do people hate twilight? Because that's their opinion.
And also, honestly, so..."
that's the point i've been trying to get across!! people can't for a second stand back and look at something from someone elses perspective without thinking it's a joke!! they all think their opinion is the one that's right and the most important and they won't even pretent to see the books merits that are pretty obvious! i get your point and i feel somewhat the same about twilight, i liked it at one point and i don't like it as much now but that doesn't mean i'll criticise those who do still like it!!
i think that they are against the romance and fictional characters that always turn out perfect. and you know what, sparkly vampires are ridiculous
Probably because Bella is the most emmbarresing Female character on the face of this planet
I think people first started hating it because of how much attention it got. Then after they started poking fun at all the "signature" Twilight things. Like sparkly vampire. And now people think it's cool to hate Twilight.
Mallory wrote: "I think people first started hating it because of how much attention it got. Then after they started poking fun at all the "signature" Twilight things. Like sparkly vampire. And now people think it..."For the last time a bunch of people have read twilight and decided they didn't like it because of the bad story line and weak characters (namely bella). I'm not saying that there aren't people who hate twilight because of its popularity but that's not the only reason. Most of my friends dislike twilight as well but we all love harry potter a series that is just as, if not more, popular than twilight.
Nikki wrote: "I also thinks that part of the reason people hate twilight is the movies, people who have never even read the books ( I actually enjoyed the books I read them a long long time ago) the movies were ..."Anyone who knows how to do any critical thinking should know that a shitty movie doesn't necessarily mean a shitty book.
Meesh wrote: "Those who legitimately enjoy reading, like myself, can see that this book sucks. It fuels the most supreme epic princess fantasy for girls. She's supposedly beautiful without knowing it, highly int..."The only thing you said that was remotely acceptable was that some of the fans have taken the obsession to far and it's tiresome. Although I'm kind of pissed about the 'little girls' comment. Who are the little girls reading this book and thinking they should put this sort of relationship into practice? Do you know any? If you do then I'm going to say this...the little girls that lap this up and actually believe it...had a low set point to begin with and would've found something else silly to wrap themselves up in. I loved the books, it was simple escapism. I have lot of friends/coworkers/acquaintances/etc that I've discussed Twilight with. None of them, NONE of them have adopted any false hope from the book. I see the obsessive fans who have, the ones who don't seem to realize that Edward and Bella DON'T EXIST, that it' all MADE UP. But that just tells me there was something wrong with them in the beginning. Young girls are capable of being savvy, intelligient, and emotionally more wise and mature than you think.
Rachel wrote: "Personally, I hate it because of the message it sends to the target audience. The underlying message of this book is that it's okay to change yourself to fit someone else. One of Bella's main strug..."That's the problem. Everyone wants to get wrapped up in the message that it's putting out. Try this - there's NOT a message. The message is ENJOY YOURSELF, be indulgent, be dramatic, believe the impossible and drown yourself in a little guilty pleasure. Young girls getting the message that they should behave like Bella, already have that thought in their head to begin with. You could take away the book and they would still have some of those behaviors. I just refuse to believe it's taking normally functioning girls and turning them into emotional retards who think they should be Bella. I took books to middle school that made my male teachers turn white and call my mother to ask if she knew what I was reading. Guess what? I never emulated the negative aspects of any of them. Have a little faith in today's younger generation for crying out loud.
Nikki wrote: "I also thinks that part of the reason people hate twilight is the movies, people who have never even read the books ( I actually enjoyed the books I read them a long long time ago) the movies were ..."I totally agree Nikki. I read the books a long time ago and enjoyed them. They weren't fabulous, but they were entertaining. When the movies started coming out though, I think it made it so much more obvious what a vapid, pathetic, selfish character Bella is. Put that together with sparkly vampires and even readers who enjoyed the books are now sick of Twilight.
Like many have said, its the obsessive fans. I loved the books (well the last one not so much) and my friends and I would talk about how good they were. But when the movie came out and all the girls and women went crazy obsessive, we backed away because we didn't want to be put with that crowd. I mean, there is some site kind of like fml.com but about twilight and it was ridiculous what people would say...
They are romance novels. If that is what you want to read, go ahead read. If you hate romance novels stay away simple. Just because there is porn on the internet doesn't mean you have to watch it. Not that there is anything wrong with porn, I'm just saying.
Lea wrote: "Have a little faith in today's younger generation for crying out loud. Amen to that.
I can’t seem to understand how people actually think rational girls are taking this information seriously. I teach girls who have read this series and they all admit that they wish they could have fantasy life and a beautiful boyfriend, but they know the difference between fiction and reality. Lea, you hit it on the nail when you questioned the intelligence for the girls/teens etc, who use twilight as a teaching tool. Rational and well-centered people will not take information from entertainment. Last time I checked I didn’t start zapping people with my pretend wand, or start shooting people so I could steal their car (grand theft auto games). Yes, it might be a bit exaggerated, but last time I checked people didn’t do these things.
Perhpas there are people out there who have wanted to be like bella; these people need better teachings or parenting of what is real vs unreal. A book should not be to blame on behavioural issues, nor should any game or movie. If someone thinks it is okay to have a boy watch them sleep, than they have some issues that probably existed prior to reading twilight. This behaviour/understanding does not manifest itself from a book (or any other entertainment to that matter) but from the problems within that person based on their teachings, who surrounds them, or any other contributing factor.
well i think its because of the actress Kristen Stewart as Bella Swan/Cullen:I have heard that (from all kinds of people) that she can't act like for instance, she is just plain boring and all that stuff.
Who agrees with me?
I think it might be because Bella is so addicted (there's no other word for it) to Edward, but she still keeps lusting after Jacob. it's rather annoying and pathetic. No offence intended, Stephanie Meyer
Amy wrote: "I think that while the relationship between Bella and Edward draws some people in, it turns others off the series. While I was reading the series there were parts I enjoyed, but in real life Edward..."
I totally agree, Amy.
I totally agree, Amy.
Lea wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Personally, I hate it because of the message it sends to the target audience. The underlying message of this book is that it's okay to change yourself to fit someone else. One of Bel..."I think that's the issue- normally functioning girls will be fine, it's the not so normally functioning ones I worry about. I don't think all teenage girls expect love to be the way it's portrayed in books and movies, but unfortunately I believe a great deal of them do. Almost all the male characters in YA are either incredibly perfect or borderline abusive, but either way, the female leads are insanely in love with them. I'm older, of course, so maybe I'm just thinking of how I felt when I was a teenager, but there is definitely an inherent problem with teenage girls believing love is meant to be the way books portray it to be. Personally, I want to see a YA book with a normal relationship. But that would probably never sell. I'm no better, of course, I'm a writer and I do the exact same thing because that's what people want to read. I just want to make sure readers of all ages understand that books and movies are fantasies, not a model for real life.
Gwynneth wrote: "Sarah wrote: "The biggest problem with Twilight is the weakness of Bella's character. She lacks self-reliance, she's dishonest, and she's a bad daughter. She puts her own desires and drives above t..."I think that she saved Charlie a lot of Pain. In several cases, she wasn't worried about herself, all that mattered was keeping the vampires away from Charlie. That's why she ran in Twilight, to lead James away from Charlie. New Moon, well, yeah, that one was bad. I felt for Charlie throughout the whole book. First dealaing with a depressed child, then she takes off for three days. Yeah that was bad. Just think about how much pain he would be in if she had told him the truth about everything. It would have been much worse. Keeping the truth away from him, about the Cullens and how she was involved saved him alot of pain.
As far as respecting his rules. Children, specially teens over 16, often show lack of respect for their parents rules. Fact of Life. And he never really gave her many "rules" to follow. When she was grounded in Eclipse, she came home before the curfew he set. Yeah, her and Edward disrespected the rules when he snuck in her room at night. But once again, don't most teenagers like to try to stretch their boundries. And was that really such a big thing? She could have been a much worse daughter.
That's just the way I think, probably not what you were getting at, but, there it is. I think that Charlie was a pretty dang good parent, and Bella wasn't that bad of a child.
And besides, it's all good. They all lived Happily Ever After! (it is only a book)
Probably the thing which annoyed me most about Twilight was Bella herself.The way the author wrote about her, it was clear that she was meant to be depicted in a positive light.
Bella has so many flaws in her character, and that's acceptable. It's just that pretty much no one
acknowledges those flaws.
To everyone, she is mature and kind and caring and selfless. In truth, she is quite selfish and whiny. She makes mistakes, but there are no consequences for them. Everything she wants, she gets.
its alright....but sometimes does get cheesy
I think half of the world hate Twilight because the other half couldn't stop talking about it (it is quieter now). Seriously, don't you dislike people who talk too much, too? Personally, I loooooved the saga, but I got tired of the buzz too.
Vampires are mythical creatures of the dead. What ever happened to the carnage and horrid deaths that Vampires generated? Now they sparkle, they are considered capable of falling deeply in love and they mate with humans?Not to mention Bella's lack of priorities, self-control and independence. It sickens me as a fifteen year old adolescent that i have to grow up in a society where all the teenage girls constantly depend on guys. I don't want to be a damsel in distress waiting for a man to rescue me. I do not want to fear coping on my own in situations and i most definitely do not want to watch females around me demean themselves for men.
I have read all of the books. But have only seen the 1st movie. I don't see how anybody could hate or even dislike twilight. I think that he only reason that someone wouldn't like twilight would be because they aren't into werewolves and vampires. Or maybe they just don't know what a good book is when they see it.
Personaly, I hate all that crap about people reading/watching anything, and then taking it's ideals into real-life. only SOME people are dum enough to actually do that. Unless you are reading a self-help book, that is saying 'read this to change your views on life' and all that crap, then there is no point in taking anything from it and projecting it onto YOUR life. Saying that you wish you had a perfect little fantasy life and a beautiful boyfriend (is a little sad to begin with) but not that bad. Because people know that it a wish, a dream, not that it will actually happen to them. I've read over Twilight a few times, and I think it's OK, maybe even a little good. But I'm not stupid enough to take ideals from a book where a boy completely rules a girls life, she has nearly no friends, and thinks about nothing apart from herself being helpless and how her relationship is going. If Bella had been a normal person, the book would have ended very quickly, so I don't know why anyone would/want to act and be like her.
Why do people hate Twilight...Hmm let's think for a second here.
Look past all that stuff about jealousy and messages. The actual book. People might not have enjoyed reading it as much as others. It's is the same for every book out there. People hate it, people don't and only because Twilight is so popular, hundreds of threads have been done on this. The ones the read 'BEST. BOOK. EVER' are going to be filled with haters saying the book is crap, and lovers saying the book is amazing. It's the exact same story for threads like 'Poor, excuse for a book' . When I clicked on this one, I stupidly thought it would be a little more neutral (don't ask why, it was a bad mistake) but of course it is filled with the same arguments. While reading Twilight, it was OK, because I got caught up in it and dropped the usual reality rules. Once I closed the book, reality came back and I realized it has some problems. And yes I could stand and shout what everyone should feel and why, but I'm not because I'm tired of hearing the same things over and over again. Time to find a new topic to talk about.
Sara wrote: "Why do people hate Twilight...Hmm let's think for a second here.
Look past all that stuff about jealousy and messages. The actual book. People might not have enjoyed reading it as much as others. ..."
I agree with you. After I closed the book reality came back. Actually, I think I liked the saga (a lot) because while reading it, it kept me engaged, I couldn't stop reading. I chose to overlook Bella's "fragility" and Edward's "protector instincts" and just go for the love story.
I think the bigget problem with me and this book is Bella. She's such a weak and stupid character - perfect damsel in distress, so there's no way I can relate to her. What kind of guy would want this kind of girl? And from what I read (just the first book) and saw, every guy wants her - that's absurd.Another problem are the vampires - they're not vampires, they're fu**ing disco balls. What's the point of not wanting to be a vampire? You're strong, fast, sun won't hurt you - all you need to do is learn how to not kill your food or at least cover your tracks. I just don't like the world. Even fantasy has to have believable world. This is turning dire wolf into a children-loving puppy
And Edward is creepy. He's a stalker and I see no reason for Bella not to throw him out of the window or call the police.
And another thing is off course the crappy cast.
And also there may be problems with all the hype around it. People expect something better than they get. And also the hard-core fans can't take people talking negatively about the book, so when someone dislikes it, they're attacking them, which may end up with that someone hating the book
Teresa wrote: "It has as much to do with the fans as the books. The fans are mostly girls. I guarantee the ratio of boys to girls in this fanbase is probably something like 1:1,000. And for some sexist reason,..."Wow, that is such an astute observation! You're so right! And I say this as a fan of MANY ridiculous pieces of fluff entertainment. Thanks for new insight.
They are just jealous that they can't sparkle like Edward...LOL
Mark wrote: "Most of the people I've heard complaining don't seem to have noticed the quality issues, which begs the question: If nobody notices a mistake, does it still count as a mistake?"Naturally the more pressing question is: If nobody notices a mistake does it still matter? :)
i thought it was romantic and thats about it
The funny thing is, each movie did better then the last. We have a bunch of people who say they hate it and then run off to see the movies. I'd be as bold as making a judement and say at least half of the people who say they hate the story will watch it.
Heidi wrote: "The funny thing is, each movie did better then the last. We have a bunch of people who say they hate it and then run off to see the movies. I'd be as bold as making a judement and say at least half..."If people hate the books and go see ALL the movies, they must be really bored. XD
"Carly wrote: If people hate the books and go see ALL the movies, they must be really bored. XD"And have so much money they dont now what to do with them :)
I saw the first movie and have no inclination to watch another one
Sara wrote: "Personaly, I hate all that crap about people reading/watching anything, and then taking it's ideals into real-life. only SOME people are dum enough to actually do that. Unless you are reading a sel..."That part about projecting a book into your real life is what I've been trying to say forever. Thank You.
Mariah wrote: "I have read all of the books. But have only seen the 1st movie. I don't see how anybody could hate or even dislike twilight. I think that he only reason that someone wouldn't like twilight would be..."Fans like you are one reason people don't like the book. What do you mean you can't see anybody could like it? Everyone on the whole planet is supposed to enjoy the same books you do?
Hala wrote: "Vampires are mythical creatures of the dead. What ever happened to the carnage and horrid deaths that Vampires generated? Now they sparkle, they are considered capable of falling deeply in love and..."Where are you that all the teenage girls are dependent on men? I don't know who/where/what gave you that idea but current behavioral trends of teenage girls and young adult women show that so far in this generation they are more independent and socially healthy than they've been before. Look outside of your immediate surroundings - the problem you're seeing probably has nothing to do with this book. One more thing you said 'vampires are mythical creatures.' EXACTLY. MYTHICAL. PRETEND. FAKE. Meaning they can be capable of anything in anyone's imagination.
Galadriel wrote: "Lea wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Personally, I hate it because of the message it sends to the target audience. The underlying message of this book is that it's okay to change yourself to fit someone else..."Thank you for that response! I don't think most relationships are normal though, and I think reading books about them would be a bit of a bore. I'm in my late twenties, have been in several relationships, and am in the first one that comes even close to normal right now. I know that at first glance things look 'borderline abusive.' I get that. But really, there are happily married couples, with children, normal jobs and picket white fences, who do much freakier things at night. Having read and known people involved in relationships like that (NOT MYSELF) it never occurred to me to think abuse.
Natalie wrote: "Lea wrote: "Have a little faith in today's younger generation for crying out loud. Amen to that.
I can’t seem to understand how people actually think rational girls are taking this information ..."
THANK YOU, your validation made my day. I'm glad I was able to clearly get my point across.
Rebecca wrote: "Like many have said, its the obsessive fans. I loved the books (well the last one not so much) and my friends and I would talk about how good they were. But when the movie came out and all the girl..."I know the obsessed fans annoyed people. But who cares? Ignore them. You don't need to go get an I LOVE EDWARD tattoo, or go to opening night screaming. Just enjoy it, there's no need to involve the rest of it.
I think for those who have read the book and are into vampire stuff, it's kind of hard to like the book when the vampires sparkle in the sun instead of die. Stephanie Meyers changed a lot of what a vampire is. Now with this said I have read the books and I DO like them, they aren't my favorite but I do like them. However, I can't stand the movies. The acting in my opinion is poor and too much is different from the books. If you do like the book though all the more power to you.
April wrote: "I think for those who have read the book and are into vampire stuff, it's kind of hard to like the book when the vampires sparkle in the sun instead of die. Stephanie Meyers changed a lot of what a..."actually lots of authors changed vampires from the undead who are destroyed by sun (and they are still poular) - you have jeaniene frost's night huntress - sun doesnt bother them, but they are undead, you have christine feehan's carpathinas - they are just another species, hurt by sun but alive, or house of night by p.c. cast where teenagers get marked and change gradually, or lynsay sands and her argeneau vampires who are made by some nanobots from atlantis - basically 'just' enhanced humans so for me the sparkling is not really that much of an issue - just want to say that i dont understand why so many ppl are so hung up about the sparkling, there is so many differences about how the vampires are portrayed by different authors and bysically if you want to have a vapire as MC in romance novel, he/she cant be a soulless killer, where could be the romance in that?
Morgana_lefay wrote: "April wrote: "I think for those who have read the book and are into vampire stuff, it's kind of hard to like the book when the vampires sparkle in the sun instead of die. Stephanie Meyers changed a..."You know you are very right, I was just stating that's what a lot of people like unless of course like you said they want a romance which in that case they shouldn't be reading Twilight at all.
I don't think people HATE the Twilight series. I just don't like the books because they started to get boring in the middle. But I think some people think they are filled with action, although I couldn't even get past the restaurant scene in Twilight. So I think that people just don't like books unless there interesting. And in my point of view I only thought that the movies were interesting. So it pretty much depends what people like and don't like.
Beacuse are Vampire-light...sparks with the sunlight??? come on!!!!
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I don't think you have the authority to make this claim. I know some people who love the series (but know the issues within the book) yet they "legitimately" love reading too. Just because I enjoyed the series at some point of my life doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading as much as the next person. I took a degree to just read, so that claim is completely and uttery false. (although, i see all the flaws with the series that some people don't like to admit)