Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Because it's about something that not many people have seen but everybody wants "TRUE LOVE"
Carly wrote: "Morgana_lefay wrote: "Carly wrote: "Morgana_lefay wrote: "Ange wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Because it's poorly written and has a pathetic female lead that's a horrible role model for young girls everywh..."I agree
(I shudder if someone took Dexter as a role model)
Morgana_lefay wrote: "Carly wrote: "Morgana_lefay wrote: "Carly wrote: "Morgana_lefay wrote: "Ange wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Because it's poorly written and has a pathetic female lead that's a horrible role model for young..."Haha, yes although he is a twisted vigilante, which isn't nearly as bad if he were a serial killer.
Maybe they're not used to reading fairy vampires. Weird combo, the only thing missing is the dust like in Peter Pan. New spin isn't bad. First book was okay. Ending, of course was bad. The whole, which book was it where the whole time she was all "broken" without edward *rolls eyes*. The movie, I didn't like who played Edward- the person was all wrong for the part. But I did like who played Bella.
Paul wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"Plenty of women send love letters to serial killers in prisons across the world. It speaks volumes."
This made me giggle. ^
I think a lot of peopole seem to forget that this book was written for young adults. If you read these books thinking that you're a teenage girl, these books are just as good as other young adult books. Yet again, think teenage girl and reread them and see if you see them differently. Also this is a good story but the publicity it got is what turned a lot of people off. It's your classic girl loves boy, boy screws up, other boy comes in and girl goes back to the original one. Nothing really new. Also, the difference between these vampires and the classic vampires takes some getting used to ^_^
I think that "haters" are an interesting phenomena to study. I'm sure that most of us, as bookworms, have come across books or authors that we haven't liked much. I can think of around five books that I've read in my life that I haven't liked at all, but I wouldn't define myself as a "hater" of any of them. I wouldn't go on the threads devoted to them and rail about them or make assumptions about other people who enjoyed them. It's interesting to think about what drives people to devote energy to hating something. It goes beyond having an opinion into obviously fulfilling some sort of need within the hater. Someone has already mentioned that there are quite a few "under-published" authors that are regulars here who are active haters of the series. I would suspect that there are many more who have aspirations to write themselves that hate as well. Envy could be a motivation there.
Another thing that I think that literature has always struggled with is this image of reading being for "smart people", so I think we as a community get more than our fair share of pompous and arrogant people who don't actually really like literature or reading as much as they like the image of themselves as readers.
Why is Twilight in particular such a perfect storm for criticism and haters? I think it has mostly to do with the fact that it is directed towards younger readers (Harry Potter has the same "legitimacy issues" with several critics such as Harold Bloom and A.S. Byatt). The fact that it is a romance, told through a female main character who doesn't fit the conventional template for a young heroine is also a factor. The popularity of the series also means that haters that are non-readers or not very prolific readers are also drawn in. None of these circumstances have to do with the quality of the books or the quality of its fans, which I think a lot of the haters here are trying to claim is the main reason for their hatred.
There is no problem with twilight you people are mad crazy cuz you're lonely and need to get a life, and u better not say anything else cus i know were all y'all people live. BTW the plot is invigorating and keeps you going but i will confess the first two are a bit boring but they both set the story up and stuff.
I didn't really like Twilight because it seemed like Edward thought for Bella. I thought she could have thought well by herself. That was mainly my only trouble with it. Besides that i Loved it.
Jakob wrote: "There is no problem with twilight you people are mad crazy cuz you're lonely and need to get a life, and u better not say anything else cus i know were all y'all people live. BTW the plot is invigo..."
You don't know where i live and people can have problems with it if they want to. You're probably lonely since you said it. I know a lot of people who hate Twilight and only read half of the first book or went through the whole book and still hating it at the end. Everybody has their reason to hate or like it. Don't judge because of that.
You don't know where i live and people can have problems with it if they want to. You're probably lonely since you said it. I know a lot of people who hate Twilight and only read half of the first book or went through the whole book and still hating it at the end. Everybody has their reason to hate or like it. Don't judge because of that.
I agree with most of what Morgana_lefay has posted. I thought the first book was an interesting story although the characters were a bit thin for my tasted and certain aspects of the plot bothered me. I kept reading the series even though the later books bothered me more and more (because Bella seemed very underdeveloped and focused solely on her love of an overly controlling and paternal older boyfriend). The last book made me angry because of squicky concepts such as her husband having sex with her after she passed out and Jacob being bonded to her daughter. I tried to watch the movie but Kristen Stewart's flat acting annoyed me so much I couldn't sit through the first movie, much less the ones that covered books I had not really enjoyed. It's not that I'm a "hater' (people should get to enjoy what they enjoy) or that I don't like YA in general--it's just that what started out as a fun story that could have developed into something good instead devolved into something that made me feel a bit sick for having read it.
Tangled wrote: "The last book made me angry because of squicky concepts such as her husband having sex with her after she passed out..."When did this happen in the book?
Mickey wrote: "Tangled wrote: "The last book made me angry because of squicky concepts such as her husband having sex with her after she passed out..."When did this happen in the book?"
yeah, I don't remember that either.
It's been a while since I read the honeymoon scene, but I think at one moment they are in the water, and next she wakes up bruised without being able to remember when or how it happened, or why the feathers were all over the bed. I suppose it's open to interpretation--but I was so squicked out by their relationship at that point that I saw it as her passing out during sex and him going on to bruise her and bite pillows. YMMV.
Tangled wrote: "It's been a while since I read the honeymoon scene, but I think at one moment they are in the water, and next she wakes up bruised without being able to remember when or how it happened, or why the..."She described it in the book as being caught up in her own sensations. She was conscious through the entire incident, just "distracted", which they talk about the morning after. It's odd that you would decide to interpret the scene as Bella being unconscious and Edward taking advantage of her. That interpretation is contradicted by her own memories (unless you have some theory of Edward implanting false memories into her brain).
I've read all the books in the series at least two or three times, and I'm 50 years old! I loved them! They're very well-written in a voice that is very teenaged. The love Edward and Bella have for each other is something we all wish we had with someone, but unfortunately almost always don't. It's a rare thing. Maybe people hate the movies because they're not nearly as good as the books. I was really looking forward to the first one and went to see it when it opnened. I was sorely disappointed. But since I saw that one, I felt obligated to see the second one, thinking that since it was a different director it might be better. I was wrong. I haven't seen any of the others.
Mickey, even if that were so, the level of bruising would squick me out. Also, I simply do not believe it is possible to be so "caught up" in any sensation that you don't remember what happened. Even if you are enjoying being bruised in the heat of passion, you know when it happened. You certainly would remember a breaking headboard or pillows being ripped open unless you were intoxicated, mentally incompetent or unconscious. I am willing to allow that Bella may have been mentally incompetent throughout the entire series--I just didn't notice it that much at first.
Tangled wrote: "Mickey, even if that were so, the level of bruising would squick me out. Also, I simply do not believe it is possible to be so "caught up" in any sensation that you don't remember what happened. Even if you are enjoying being bruised in the heat of passion, you know when it happened. "I can tell you from personal experience that it is absolutely possible to bruise without remembering what happened. I often have bruises that I don't remember where I got them or when it happened.
However, that isn't what happened with Bella. She remembers Edward holding her tightly and wanting to be held tighter still, it just didn't register as pain to her. This is entirely possible given the circumstances.
Tangled wrote: "You certainly would remember a breaking headboard or pillows being ripped open unless you were intoxicated, mentally incompetent or unconscious."
I have to disagree on this point as well. It is possible not to notice fabric ripping or other destruction of property if you are highly distracted. I certainly think it's more of a stretch to assume she has to be unconscious because she doesn't notice extraneous details.
i agree- it has become cool to hate. also people feel the need to hate the whole saga if they like harry potter which bothers me to no end because there is no reason to compare the two. at all. i read all the twilight books and didn't hate them. the last book dragged on for me, but it wasn't awful. they weren't the best works of literature i'd ever read and i wasn't expecting them to be. when people compare twilight to harry potter and the hunger games to both its just so upsetting...just because they made movies out of all of them and they've become part of pop culture does not make one series better than another- they are all so different.
Tangled wrote: "It's been a while since I read the honeymoon scene, but I think at one moment they are in the water, and next she wakes up bruised without being able to remember when or how it happened, or why the..."I thought of it more as a "fade to black" kind of device, since it is YA. and since all the previous books had bella being intoxicated by merely being near edward, I accepted her extreme intoxication during their first sexual encounter.
Teri, I enjoyed the books for that reason too. Maybe I could enjoy it more because of my perspective. I met my husband on my sixteenth birthday. I knew he was the one the minute I spoke to him. I knew with the same certainty that I knew the sun would rise the next day. (okay technically the sun doesn't rise, we turn toward it, but that is beside the point). The feeling was mutual.
We got married less than a year later when I was still sixteen and he was barely eighteen. My poor mother. I went went from not interested in having a boyfriend at all to hey mom I'm getting married. No, I was not pregnant. We had our first child the same year we had our fifth wedding anniversary.
Eighteen years and three children later and we still act like love struck newly weds. We still flirt, chase each other through the house, and make goo goo eyes at each other.
So I guess I can identify with the sudden and very deep love. I can identify with the desire to be together no matter what. And yes, I had to leave plenty of friends behind when I married. So did my husband. We both had jobs, rented our own apartment, paid bills. None of our friends could relate to that. Most of them couldn't come over because there were no parents at our house,lol. I was homeschooled and I continued that on my own and got a scholarship to a University.
As far as Bella's behavior when Edward left, I can't imagine my life without my husband in it. I can't even begin to guess how I would handle such a thing. We have been a part of each other since the beginning. We have left behind a lot of him and me as separate entities and became us.
So understand the concept of soulmate and being one half of a whole. I understand how young love can be so much more than a crush. I can understand how love can conquer all. I can see the allure of eternity together. My husband and I are statistical anomalies. According to everyone and everything, we should never have made it together.
I think the Bella/Edward story appeals to me because they are young (well Bella is), their unbreakable love, and their desire to be together forever. Maybe it appeals to so many for the same reason. Maybe others haven't been so hurt in the past they they no longer truly believe love like that exist, even in fiction. I don't know.
Or maybe, like some have said, the characters and story just rubbed them the wrong way. There are movies and books like that every day. That is why there are so many options available.
Mickey I am glad you enjoyed the books. I have nothing against people who enjoyed them (to each his or her own). If someone ask why people don't like the books, however, I am going to mention the many things that squicked me out as the books developed. You can argue against each of the things I don't like point by point, but that wont make me like the books any more. The fact is that when I read the honeymoon scene, my reaction was "Eww." Other people obviously liked it. That's cool. I am just mentioning it because it's one of many things I didn't like, and that is the topic.
There may be some "haters" who haven't read the books. I made an effort to read them all. I don't think it's cool to "hate". I still think that there are valid criticisms of the characters and the story (not to mention the writing style, but I don't want to dump too much on the books in this fan thread).
I usually don't bring this sort of criticism up in Twilight threads, but when you start on a topic like "Why didn't some people like Twilight?", you are going to attract some comments you may think are negative about the series. It's not that I don't like you or the author or other fans. It's just that there were several things about Bella and her relationship with Edward that bothered me. Don't even ask about Jacob and Bella's daughter unless you want to spend all night arguing because nothing will ever convince me that isn't sick (no matter how the author or Bella try to justify it). I don't mean to rain on your parade, it's just that those are perfectly legitimate reasons for some people to have been turned off by the series. Still, I am glad that you found something in it that speaks to you.
Tangled, I think you misunderstood the intent behind the thread's question. It is not "Why don't some people like Twilight?" as in Tell me what flaws you find in the work. The question is about "Why do you think people hate Twilight so much?" as in Why are there so many active haters of Twilight? I don't think it's about rehashing the same old complaints about the series. (Although, if you're here long enough, you'll notice that some posters think every thread should be about the flaws of Twilight.)As I've said before, I'm interested in thinking about what motivates haters to come on the site and complain in thread after thread after thread about the same things. This is the intent of this thread, although a lot of people are using it to continue complaining. The person who started this thread thinks it's jealousy over the relationship between Edward and Bella. Other posters have had different theories.
I'm not trying to change your mind about anything. It doesn't matter to me, which is why I'm not interested in why you think Edward is controlling or paternalistic. These are all things that everyone has heard many, many times before. I personally think otherwise. However, when you say that Bella was unconscious and Edward forced himself on her, I wondered which instance you were talking about, because it doesn't seem to fit any of the parts that I remember. I still don't think that you've made your case that she had to be unconscious.
The problems that you had with the book are subjective, which is perfectly fine, but that means that I wouldn't refer to it as 'valid' or 'legitimate'. That's going a little far into 'fact' territory.
A.D. wrote: "Teri, I enjoyed the books for that reason too. Maybe I could enjoy it more because of my perspective. I met my husband on my sixteenth birthday. I knew he was the one the minute I spoke to him. I..."
oh, what a wonderful story! that is so sweet!
Mickey wrote: "Tangled, I think you misunderstood the intent behind the thread's question. It is not "Why don't some people like Twilight?" as in Tell me what flaws you find in the work. The question is about "Wh..."I don't know why people would go to outside pure fan forums and criticize the books, and I know my complaints are not unique. I am posting here because I saw the question on the homepage and gave my honest opinion. I think the reasons why Twilight has so many "haters" does include the criticisms of the books that come up over and over again. The fact that they come up over and over again is a hint that they may be something some people do not like about the books, which in turn leads to what you see as "haters". Sure there may be some who are jumping on the bandwagon and think it's cool to hate--but there are many people who just didn't like the books.
As for the interpretation that Bella was unconscious during part of her honeymoon scene, I didn't say she *had* to be. I said that was how I interpreted it when I read it (and if you Google it, a few other people read it that way too--albeit a minority). I'll admit once again that it is entirely possible that Bella was conscious but is simply mentally incompetent (no one can believably be that distracted--and she does sound hung over when she wakes up). Either way, the extent of her bruises (that were described as much more than hickeys)still bothers me, as does her reaction to them.
If it pleases you, I will say that I think one reason many people don't like Twilight is because they subjectively just didn't like the books or had a strong negative reaction to certain aspects of the series. That may seem obvious, but if you ask a silly question...
I think most people on this site think there is a difference between people who didn't care for the books and "haters". Like most people, I think of how I generally react. If I don't like a book, I generally don't finish it. I don't generally spend a lot of time complaining about the book or the fans. I simply get on with my life. I think most people do this as well. But there are people that spend a lot of time discussing books that they don't like and it's interesting to think of why that's appealing to them. I actually don't think that Twilight got most of its haters because of its perceived flaws or because it has dedicated fans. I think some of it is cultural and some of it is how literature is viewed as a whole. The idea that these complaints must have weight to them because other people believe them is faulty. For instance, the complaint that Bella is passive is a popular one. However, if you look at the story, Bella obviously is very set on getting what she wants (she wants to be turned into a vampire, she wants to be with Edward), you see that the problem that they have isn't that Bella isn't actively pursuing what she wants, as much as critics will not recognize it as a legitimate goal. Or that Bella does whatever Edward wants because she's weak. If you look at who gets their way, it's usually Bella, not Edward. The reason why people say this is because Bella doesn't want what she should, according to how women are supposed to act in books. I think if you simply take criticism at face value, you miss a lot of the reasons why they're made and miss what people are actually having a problem with.
How do you account for the fact that Bella and Edward talk about her distraction the morning after as a reason for her inattention? You might want to think why it's so important for people to re-work the scene into a crime, even though the explanation is right there. I read an article today about the difference between haters and trolls and the author claimed that the differences were that haters have a deep-seated need to disabuse other people of their "illusions" and that they are consistently negative. Isn't the far-fetched idea that she had to have been drugged or unconscious or stupid during her first time with Edward simply a way to deny the romance between them? Why is that so important to some people? It's as if a love story freaks them out and they can't allow other people to enjoy it without changing it into something sinister, as if they have a better idea of how romance "should" go.
I'm glad you can see that your problems are subjective and that not everyone shares your concerns or interpretations. I have no problem with the bruising or the distractability (which certainly had already been established before the honeymoon). They were believeable to me.
I dislike it because I think Stephenie Meyer just made some vampire bull shit to make some money. Like really, no vampire 'sparkles' in the sun. They burn. Edward supposedly watches her sleep every night...umm hello *creep factor*. Also I think the love triangle is stupid. We all know she was going to end up with Edward, but no, she had to waste her time with Jacob. Also I think that the 'team edward, team jacob' stuff is just ridiculous.
Xhayleysummersx wrote: "I dislike it because I think Stephenie Meyer just made some vampire bull shit to make some money. Like really, no vampire 'sparkles' in the sun. They burn. Edward supposedly watches her sleep every..."Okay, even though I had negative reactions to certain aspects of the book and could probably argue with Mickey about it all night if I didn't find a better discussion (sorry Mickey), changing vampire lore happens in just about every vampire book I read (though some change it more than others). You can't say "Real vampires don't sparkle." anymore than you can say "Real elves don't make cookies." because, sadly, neither vampires or elves are real, and even if they were, this is fiction. I may have negative emotional reactions to some concepts and attitudes in the fiction, but even I know it's just a book. :)
PS I agree with you about the creep factor the the triangle trope, but I would make money off sparkling vampire stalkers in a heartbeat if I could sell the book, so I have to say selling books just to make money is fine by me.
Mickey wrote: "I think most people on this site think there is a difference between people who didn't care for the books and "haters". Like most people, I think of how I generally react. If I don't like a book, I..."As I explained in my first post, I thought the first book had some potential, even though certain aspects bothered me. It got worse (from my perspective) as the books continued, and the worst parts for me came in the final book. I am not trying to stop you from enjoying the series, but if you ask why some people don't like Twilight, I will answer that it's not just because "haters are cool".
Some people gave the books a fair read and had a negative reaction, especially to the last book. I am not trying to talk you into not liking the book. If anything, I think you are trying to strip me of what you see as my "illusions" and misconception because you don't think I should criticize the book. I think you may be "hating" on the group of people who had a negative reaction and you want us all to change our minds or be quiet and never say what we think--even in a thread about why people don't like Twilight. How is that different from people who want everyone who liked Twilight to be quiet and not say what they think?
I am not hating on you--but even you have to admit that it is mostly a "love it or hate it" type of series. Not everyone who hates the books is a hater per se. Some of us just really didn't like the book. How many positive responses did you expect to the topic?
It's kind of a negative topic--even if everyone just went along with the "haters on a bandwagon" theme. Hating on haters (as you see it) just perpetuates the whole cycle of negativity. If you want me to just ignore books I don't like and stop reading them, then you should just ignore posts you don't like and stop read them. It's kind of a two way street.
On the other hand, if you agreed with me, I'd have to find some other way to feed my insomnia. Hate away.
I reckon it's because of Bella, she has no emotion. It's not the fact that it's SO unrealistic (I mean look at how awesome Harry Potter is and none of that's real) but the characters are just plain creepy. Edward is overprotective, Jacob is mean and 'badly behaved', Bella is just straight up awful. I mean, quit complaining. If the hardest decision of your life is between a good-looking vampire who loves you and a hot werewolf who also loves you, you've got it easy. If neither vamp nor wolf loved her, if you take away the love triangle, you've got a story of a bland girl who moves to a dull and rainy town. Though, on the contrary; Stephenie Meyer has such a descriptive writing style, all the books are written beautifully. I learned a lot of good words from her books and it's helped me develop my own writing style.
P.S. Does anyone else want to run over Edward?
P.S. Does anyone else want to run over Edward?
Again, Tangled, I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread. It was not created to give haters a chance to talk about why they hate Twilight. Look at the first post. But I've already explained this. There are always threads here about why you hate Twilight. There are two active ones now, so it's not as if you are being censored from talking about your opinions, there are always threads for that, but I personally think it would be nice if every thread wasn't about the flaws people found in the books. The other popular series that I see the threads on (Harry Potter) has much more of a variety of threads and conversations than Twilight. There's always a "Who else hates Harry Potter?" or "Insulting the book" for people who want to discuss their negative opinion, but there's also fans who are discussing the nuances of the story and what they mean like fans generally like to do. Every topic is not about the same thing.
Contrast that with what happens here on the Twilight site. (I'm going to go into a little history here; I've been following on here for over a year.) Most threads are explicitly about the flaws in Twilight and people's negative opinions and encourages haters to share, but even when there are other purposes, it ends in the same way. I remember there was one thread called "ONLY if you like Twilight". Within the first five posts, there were people warning the original poster that the haters were going to post anyway (although, at that time, the regular haters were ordering fans out of threads like "What do you hate the most about Twilight". Sure enough, the haters descended and there was the same conversation about Twilight. Another thread that I remember was about "Assumptions about Twilight Fans" which was for the discussion of people hating on fans and calling them stupid or assuming that they aren't good readers. However, after the first page, a hater appeared who wanted to discuss his problems with the books. The usual conversation followed.
So, to your charge that I am trying to censor you, the thing is I would just like to have a different conversation than what problems you had with the book. There are plenty of other things that fans would like to talk about on this site other than the faults other people find in the books. I think having a conversation about why people are haters is different enough to be possibly interesting and illuminating.
It annoys me that people can't see beyond their own personal reactions to the books and seem to think every thread should center on their objections. I don't do that. For instance, I tried to read the Percy Jackson series and didn't get very far. It just didn't appeal to me, mostly because it seemed too similar to Harry Potter. I don't go on the sites dedicated to the books and think that every thread should be about my objections and discuss the flaws on threads where they are discussing other things. I understand that fans want to discuss the books and that my experiences bar me from having a very nuanced view of the series. I just have objections, which is a much more shallow experience than being a fan. (I'm speaking generally.)
Again, I'll say that I'm not interested in changing your mind. It's ultimately the reader's loss when he/she can't find value in a book. I simply asked about the scenario of Bella being unconscious/Edward taking advantage because I hadn't heard that one before. I don't consider it my job to convert others. I just find your interpretation of that scene to be a typical manifestation of what this thread is about.
Mickey wrote: "Again, Tangled, I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread. It was not created to give haters a chance to talk about why they hate Twilight. Look at the first post. But I've already expla..."Maybe the thread should be called "What's wrong with people who don't like Twilight?"
I don't doubt your experience with negativity in threads that should have been only for Twilight lovers. That's the nature of unmoderated discussions on the Internet. People are not going to all act the way you think they should. The only way to avoid that is to have a closed group or to mod the discussion to keep it on topic. FWIW, I personally would not post in a "lovers only" thread. There are several sites that have moderated "X lovers only" threads which are successful,not just for Twilight fans but for all the fandoms who have similar problems--and there are many. You may not remember the "Kill Wesley Crusher" movement from Start Trek TNG or the classic "Bangle v Spuffy" wars from BtVS, but I assure you this sort thing happens whenever people have strong opinions about their fiction (or politics, or whatever they care to post about).
I don't think it's that Twilight is unique in the negativity it generates, though it's hot right now (and therefore pushes many people's hot buttons). I think Twilight is currently popular and many people have strong reactions to it, both positively and negatively. Some people are determined to express themselves, even if they are in the wrong forum or thread. The only way to keep out those who want to express criticism is to close the group to people you know are "lovers only" (by invite or approval) or to moderate the discussion. That's just how the Internet works.
It's not that Twilight is being persecuted any more than the subject of any other popular controversial topic. While I sympathize with your frustration, I still think my original post was appropriate for the topic, and I wouldn't have taken it and farther if you hadn't engaged me in discussion. If you ask, I will answer. Isn't that how a thread like this should work?
Tangled wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Again, Tangled, I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread. It was not created to give haters a chance to talk about why they hate Twilight. Look at the first post. But I'v..."I think that even in this thread you can find comments like "twilight is the best, if you think otherwise, you are stupind, dont say its not good" (just to show that not only "haters" spam in the wrong threads) - mostly in capitals and it has nothing to do with this discussion (and most ppl just go and ignore it, but I wouldnt go to love only thread to say i dint like it.
Tangled wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Again, Tangled, I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread. It was not created to give haters a chance to talk about why they hate Twilight. Look at the first post. But I'v..."I think that even in this thread you can find comments like "twilight is the best, if you think otherwise, you are stupind, dont say its not good" (just to show that not only "haters" spam in the wrong threads) - mostly in capitals and it has nothing to do with this discussion (and most ppl just go and ignore it, but I wouldnt go to love only thread to say i dint like it.
I love Twilight. I accept that it isn't a literary masterpiece but I absolutely love them. The movies are so horrible that when I read the books again I see that I have forgotten how very adorable the books are. I have noticed the popularity in the hatred of this book but, you know...more for me then :) If you are going to dislike me for liking this book then so be it. I didn't know people were judged by the books they like to read. It's not like it's Mein Kampf that I am enjoying.
Tangled wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Again, Tangled, I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread. It was not created to give haters a chance to talk about why they hate Twilight. Look at the first post. But I'v..."I get what you say and agree with most of your points but while I'm ok with a discussion I'm NOT ok with a troll or a person who spams.Posting at a serious discussion like this(because we are discussing here good and bad points of the books and why we like or hate them) things like 'OMG,you are so stupid for not liking this awesome books' or 'Twilight is awesome, the haters are idiot' is just plain stupid and make me angry!Like I'm stupid for not agreeing on something with anybody.Riiight.
Discussion is good.I'm ok with a discussion when both parties respect each other.I like the example you gave; I was a Bangel fan and when Spuffy vs Bangel thing was going on the discussion was heated at that time (and still is).While I hate Spuffy I respect Spike and I'm capable of understanding some good points Spuffy fans make and I respect we have different opinions on which relationship is the best.But if I see a post which doesnt make good points and JUST attacks and say things like 'OMG.Spuffy is sooo hot.You're so stupid for not liking them' I'd get mad.We have different opions.My opions are based on something.It's ok if you think because two persons have chemistry or they look so hot together they should be together and rest of the relationship doesnt matter (the Gossip Girl and Chuck/Blair relationship is a better example at this.He sells her for a hotel and I'm supposed to be ok with it according to their fans because this is a show/they are the endgame/Chuck will change/they are so hot together etc.) BUT dont attack me and act like I'm stupid if I dont agree or search for realisim a little bit.
And while closed groups are a good idea why we should have to go there for a disscussion like thi?.This post is not for only lovers or haters, both are welcome to share their OPINIONS because we are DISSCUSSING here.
I'm sorry people but dont come here and say how much you like are or hate the books.There are other places and posts for that.Come here and disscuss why you love or hate the books. I personally dont judge anyone for liking or hating something but I judge them when they troll or post spams.
The reasons why some people might not like the book could just be some of things the characters did (me and my family have talked about this so I'm just adding in what we talked about). For example, we understand that you loved the man and stuff, but it was unrealistic to have Bella curl up on the forest floor for a couple hours. A girl that truly loves a man would go after him right then and there instead of giving up and plop down on the ground and doing a bunch of stupid stuff later just to see his face. She had to go with Alice after a couple months instead of just trying to go after him herself. Another thing that got to us was how much of a baby Jacob was and how often Bella forgave what he did. Also, the whole imprinting thing was disgusting in our opinion, but that might just be us. I guess it's just that so many things about it are unrealistic or what a normal person wouldn't do.
because the characters are stupid!!!!
because they dont know great writing when it hits them!
Raheem wrote: "Bland writing that turns into purple prose when describing Edward, unlikable characters, indifference to the plot, etc. The list goes on. People have their reasons for hating the book; it's not tha..."Amen, Twilight just sucks.
Tangled wrote: "I think the reasons why Twilight has so many "haters" does include the criticisms of the books that come up over and over again. The fact that they come up over and over again is a hint that they may be something some people do not like about the books, which in turn leads to what you see as "haters". Sure there may be some who are jumping on the bandwagon and think it's cool to hate--but there are many people who just didn't like the books."
I wanted to bring up the point, just because it comes up over and over again doesnt make it true. A lot of haters describe Bella as whiny. When in the books does she whine? Who does she whine to? I've asked people if I've missed something - because it could be me. But I would go so far as to say the people who call her whiny haven't read the books OR are a bandwagon person - adapted what someone else said and tried to make it thier own.
Tangled wrote: "It's been a while since I read the honeymoon scene, but I think at one moment they are in the water, and next she wakes up bruised without being able to remember when or how it happened, or why the..."Just because she woke up with bruises doesn't mean he had sex with her while she was sleeping...he is insanely strong to begin with.
Also, I agree with Mickey on this one. I get bruised and don't remember what exactly caused them all the time.
Mickey wrote: "Tangled wrote: "The last book made me angry because of squicky concepts such as her husband having sex with her after she passed out..."When did this happen in the book?"
Personally I was not even able to finish the last book. It was just so far gone at that point.
I think people are just getting irritated hearing about vampires again and again. I think Twilight is a good book.
Sherri wrote: "The reason I did not like the twilight books is because I see Edward as an abusive jerk and Bella as a whiny idiot. I cannot speak for everyone who hates the books but the books just infuriated me...."Okay - I understand people don't like it and that's fine. But who makes the laws about what can happen in a FICTIONAL piece of writing? People can fly, or have magical powers, animals can talk. Vampires can sparkle, glitter, glow, decorate gingerbread houses, whatever the author wants them to do. That's the nature of FICTIONAL (see: fantasy) writing.
Carly wrote: "Autumn wrote: "Please, please everyone! I didn't realize there were so many amazon women out there. Can we all just remember that the Twilight series is just a damn good read, a bit of escapist f..."Why does everyone claim to know what the majority thinks? Have their been scientific polls of everyone in America who read it or what? It used to be simple...some people liked it some people don't. There's a million reasons someone could choose an opinion for it to go either way.
Carly wrote: "Ashley wrote: "You never hear a girl say "I met the most perfect guy, when I'm with him I feel unattractive, uncoordinated and stupid..*sigh* it's wonderful" "YES. That. Great way of saying it."
You've never heard a teenager say "oh crap, here he comes. he's so cute, every time he comes over here I feel like I'm going to make a fool out of myself." The teenage world I grew up in had all sorts of nervous behaviors like that.
Lena wrote: "I know, if a guy made me or someone I care about feel inferior, I would beat the Hell right out of him."It is Bella's lack of self confidence that makes her feel inferior.
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Yes and use them as role models. I do think it's silly that some think that books should be limited to good role models, but I do think it's bad if messed up role models are considered good ones.