Twilight
discussion
Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
im not insulting i am stateing a fact
Jojo! wrote: "im not insulting i am stateing a fact"Incredibly immature. This site is all about giving constructive feedback on books and literature. People have very well thought out opinions on the topic at hand. Some are negative, some are positive. How dare you call them names because they chose to give an opinion different from yours. How old are you, 12? You should be ashamed.
EDIT: This post should not be taken in any way, shape, or form as an insult to any responsible, mature, 12 year olds out there. :)
Patrick wrote: "The books are poorly written and Bella's character is so weak it's sickening. It sends a completely wrong message to the young girls of America: You can't live without a man and when you find a gu..."I totally agree with you.
I think people hate twilight so mush because they are focus on one reason alone because the twilight vampire sparkle and they think because they sparkle they are not scary they have not read the book to find out there skin is like marble one of the strong mineral and they have fangs which is a parentally sexy has to with love make and Edward being controlling will in his time that was what he was taught I have read the classics like Pride and Prejudice men of the century and not enough violence and kill and sex drug They use a excuses to make drama to them fame’s
Mandy wrote: "Abby wrote: "I totally disagree Patrick. The books are really good."It's not the writing style, it's what the writing contained."
I’m not sure haters are the right word more like loathers. While I read the first two books in the series and the first kept me up to finish it I felt the second book was drawn out and found the time to read it. When the third appeared, I thought well it’s there if I ever decide to read it.
With so many good novels out there who develop their characters through their craft, leaving me craving for more, I find this series lacks that and when people are so excited and can’t wait for the movie and talk, talk, talk about the characters, especially Edward, then I feel my nose crinkle and my eyes involuntary roll.
Some people would call me a “hater” but in all honesty I am a “seeker” of the next great adventure and just wanted to move on to something fresher and more stimulating.
Liz wrote: "I hate the books because I view "Bella" as the worst type of character for young, malleable women to be reading. She is the worst role-model for young girls. Any woman who attempts suicide to get ..."LMAO - you are too funny! I would love to see that. I did love the books for entertainment value....the movies are a whole other story...HORRIBLE! Watching Kristen Stewart writhe moan and scream melodramatically....not my idea of a good time....
It's because of Bella. And who would be jealous of what Edward and Bella have??????????? Edward sparkles for Christ sake and Bella, please don't even get me started. Bella is ungrateful, didn't really care for Jacob, and is weak mentally and psychically. Bella relies completely on Edward to come and save her. How can she be dishonest when she can't even lie? And my biggest question, WHY??????? Why did they turn her into a vampire??? I can't look at vampires the same way anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cookiemonster454136 wrote: "How can she be dishonest when she can't even lie?"I didn't quite understand this part...what are you referring to?
Kirby wrote: "Cookiemonster454136 wrote: "How can she be dishonest when she can't even lie?"I didn't quite understand this part...what are you referring to?"
I hadn't realized what that it said that... But i guess she doesn't really strike me as a character to lie, or is a good liar either.
Cookiemonster454136 wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Cookiemonster454136 wrote: "How can she be dishonest when she can't even lie?"I didn't quite understand this part...what are you referring to?"
I hadn't realized what that it said ..."
But she's lied to Edward multiple times...
They are just jealous they can't sparkle in the sunlight....especially the guys!
Its not that Twilight is a bad book. The novel is actually very entertaining to read, and its well written than most sappy romance novels with covers of half naked bodies. Everything was fine until the series became overrated. All of a sudden you wake up one morning realizing that the book you read in 7th grade is now being turned into one of the most highly anticipated movies of the year. Girls are going crazy, as usual, and people are buying the novels like hotcakes. All you can hear about is how amazing Twilight is which gets you excited to see the movie, and then BAM! Turns out the movie is crap, and I am by no means exaggerating. The movie was literally a piece of trash that you find on the side of the road, but no one wants to pick up.
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
I totally agree... why on earth would you say you hate the book when you haven't read it in the first place?
Gwynneth wrote: "Sarah wrote: "The biggest problem with Twilight is the weakness of Bella's character. She lacks self-reliance, she's dishonest, and she's a bad daughter. She puts her own desires and drives above t..."I agree with you although I think that she hardly becomes a worthy heroine in the end. She can hardly think of any good ideas like Alice or make many strong decisions herself. She's a very weak willed girl.
There's also not much going on that is really interesting. It's quite predictable and doesn't really have much cliff hangers or things that really want you to never stop reading it.
Also while the whole romance thing is great for love-sick people. Edward is a creep. He breaks into her house, follows her around and tries to dictate who Bella's friends can be.
I think all the hype and all the team edward team damon thing ruined it
*& I also think the actors didn't do the roles justice :)
I think a lot of people don't like it because they like the traditional vampires and werewolves.
I disagree Yasmin. I think a lot of them did a great job except Kristian. She only has one emotion and that depression.
They're jelous of Taylor and his sexy abbs :P
Abby wrote: "I disagree Yasmin. I think a lot of them did a great job except Kristian. She only has one emotion and that depression."i agree with you. i think it might have been a bit better if they'd gottens omeone else to play Bella.... and maybe Edward :/
I read the books and I enjoyed them. Yes, she overdid Bella's stumbling and tripping, although it was part of the story arc. Yes, she didn't think she was very pretty or remarkable, but sadly many teenage girls don't. I do think her depression over Edward leaving was a bit over done, but then a lot of teenage girls are over the top and overly melodramatic.I do think Edward staying in her room was, at first, creepy. Later it was done for her protection. Just like when he wanted her to stay away from Jacob because young werewolves have little control as evidenced by one of the other characters that was maimed because of it. Not because he wanted to control who her friends were. He did try to leave so she could have a normal life. Later he was somewhat controlling only because there were a bunch of vampires after her. I think most people would be in that situation. I know if there were a bunch of people intent on killing me, my husband wouldn't be okay with me running off all over the place by myself.
I do like how the story arc carries her into being a vampire where she is extremely gifted and after spending most of the series being saved, she is the one who is instrumental in stopping everyone else from being killed.
Yes, some of the writing could have been better. Everyone moves swiftly a little too often and we have to hear about Edwards sparkly wonderfulness a little too often. But even so, it didn't stop me from enjoying the story. Every romance is littered with too many descriptions of that kind.
I don't think the message of love conquers all is a bad one to send. It can. It happens all of the time, especially with parents. Just look at all of the teenagers living to grow into adults.:D
The movies, yes, I can think of much better people to play Bella and Edward. But then, very rarely do I like a movie as much as I like the book it was made from.
A.D.trsoper wrote: "I don't think the message of love conquers all is a bad one to send. It can. It happens all of the time, especially with parents. Just look at all of the teenagers living to grow into adults.:D"ah ha ha! great point! XD
I think that during the time that people are reading the series, they are thinking about what a n amazing love story it is and how they wish that could happen to them. Then once they are done all four books they sit back an think "wow, Bella can't survive without a man". I mean Bella is nothing without Edward and Jacob.At lest for me that is what stopped me from reading t he twilight saga for a second time.
Wow Where to begin:The Writing is HORRID.
The characters are one dimensional, and mind numbingly weak.
The story is idiotic.
It is porn for 14 year old girls, next stop bored housewife reading Harlequin romances and waiting for hubby to get home from the office so she can ponder how her life is nothing like Bellas.
THERE IS NOTHING on this planet more easily influenced than a teenage girl and teaching her to be a weak willed jelly donut who has to pine over angsty little boys is pathetic and criminal.
VAMPIRES DONT SPARKLE!
Joss Whedon... a man... writes Strong tough woman...Meyer writes vomitous and pathetic little girls.
Oh and to to these "grown" "adult" woman pining over teenage boys and bad writing...you sicken me, if a guy did the same thing over some teenage girls youd call him a pedo.
And please do not give me the pathetic oh look it makes money people like it so it must be good excuse because by that ideal every book, movie and TV show in the world must be good because someone likes it. Jersey Shore is popular I dare you to tell me its good too. Porn makes billions...so I guess you have to admit its good right?
Thesaint08d wrote: "Wow Where to begin:The Writing is HORRID.
The characters are one dimensional, and mind numbingly weak.
The story is idiotic.
It is porn for 14 year old girls, next stop bored housewife reading Ha..."
The sparkling thing was extremely stupid and even though it's unique, it's not something that fits a vampire or fear. Unique doesn't always = good. I wonder why only Edward sparkled, but lucky for us he was it.
I don't care for Jersey Shore, but that doesn't determine whether it is good or not. Plenty of people do, so yes, to some people it must be good. Just because I don't care for something does not relegate that thing to the trash bin as worthless. It does not make the people who do like it stupid. It merely means it wasn't my cup of tea. Good is subjective to the person perceiving it.
So you're defending the worth of Jersey Shore and saying it is not trash...reading between the lines it has positive social value and is a quality entertainment choice (for those that like it) in a thread regarding the reason people dislike Twilight...yup my work is done here, sometimes its just TOO easy, we wonder why Americans are falling behind other countries so quickly?
I got from AD's comment that you can't say its not good about ANYTHING because its subjective, but you can say it's good when you like it and just based on liking it.I don't think that liking a book or a movie or music determines whether it's good or not, only that you like it, I liked to watch soap operas when I was younger but that doesn't make them good, now I can't watch even one episode of the same series, but lots of people watch it.
i like twilight dont get me wrong - ive read the books and watched the movies BUT...i think Bella is the worst lead female character of all times! she sets a horrible example for impressionable young girls that idolize her relationship with Edward. she goes into a deep depression because he leaves her and that's okay? she starts to befriend Jacob then ditches him the moment Edward comes back and that's okay? she's barely out of high school and it's okay to marry and get knocked up by a guy everyone but you thinks is a bad influence? you lost all of your friends because of a boy who left you high and dry more than once? you go missing after your honeymoon and then show up with a toddler? yeah... somewhere along the line Bella is confused and a typical girl but she makes it seem like those things are all okay.
to each their own but in my world, my daughter will not be locking herself in her room crying and screaming out with horrid nightmares while being unsocial and rude because of a boy she has known for idk, like 5 days turns her world upside down.
Dufoir, I feel sorry for your daughter because depression can be a very hard thing to overcome. You want so bad to just get over it and be happy but you can't. A chemical imbalance cannot be fixed by simply telling someone to get over it. By the way, you can't control if someone has nightmares that is just idiotic to think that you have that kind of control.
forgive my rantpeople hate twilight so much, i think, because it took the dark, misunderstood, and awesome vampire myths and turned them into a joke(and not even a good one)
real vampires(or as real as vampires can be)drink HUMAN blood and burn to ash in the sun.
the twilight vampires live on animals, which i could excuse. but the sun thing is what really bugs me 'cuz not only is it not harmful for them to walk in the sun, the only danger their is that they...(gasp)...SPARKLE
and the characters. edward is WAY bipolar and so indecisive you just want to jump in the book and hit him with a brick (or that could just be me)and bella is so needy and pathetic that she makes you want to slap her(again that could just be me)
dont get me wrong the series gets more crap then it deserves. i actually didn't hate all of it (once i re-read the books and switched the word vampire for fairy).
and i dont mean that i think he's gay i mean he is an actual fairy. really, look into it, the twilight vampires have more fae qualities than vampire ones.
but all in all i think that the die hard ridiculous twilight fans are the main reason people hate twilight (i call them twi-tards)they take annoying-fan to the highest level, not the people who just like the books, but the people that obsess over the movies (which SUCKED)and probably never even read the books . so with this i leave you with ...the twilight books weren't completely bad i actually enjoyed some of the banter but THE TWILIGHT MOVIES SUCKED AND I HATE TWI-TARDS ...thanks for listening to my rant i promise i will never rant twilight ever again .
It seemed to me that edwars was stuck as 17 years old both physically and mentally, he should be around hundred years and he acts like "typical" teenager? ok he has to try act as teenager at school but they can be mature too that makes bellas behaviour better than hisand him being in her bedroom, with super senses and speed and strenght he didn't have to be in her room to me it seems limiting when guarding her from other vampires, if he watches her, how could he stop them in time?
Don't get me wrong I loved the twilight when I first read it and I don't mind the sparkling, there is lots of books where sun is not harmful to the vampires
it's become really like a bad cliché.I mean I read and loved the series but the reputation that it has basically rivals justin bieber ,what with all those screaming teenagers saying "I love you edward" or "marry me jacob" ... I mean even I am surprised that somebody is taking the series seriously and I loved it
Glaadis wrote: "it's become really like a bad cliché.I mean I read and loved the series but the reputation that it has basically rivals justin bieber ,what with all those screaming teenagers saying "I love you ed..."
I never really understood screaming fans of celebrities much less for fictional characters
Glaadis, I think you are right. There is just too much hype surrounding it all and too many who seem to forget it is a fictitious story in the fantasy genre. Both those that love it too much and go overboard screaming after the actors who portrayed a character in a movie, and those that go overboard hating it, are guilty. It is a fiction book, nothing more, nothing less. Some people like it, some don't. That is true about most anything. I love tomatoes, I know people who can't stand the taste of them. The difference is you don't have a crowd of people divided in two with one half wearing "Team Tomato" on their shirts and screaming after the tomato vendor, while the other half yells vehemently about how awful they are while frothing at the mouth.
I can only guess that the amount of media attention given the story, the overzealous lovers, and the ranting haters, is the cause of so much discussion.
There are lots of books out there (movies and tv shows too) that people love or hate, but very few of them generate discussions such as this.
Maybe there is so much discussion because the Twilight series was geared towards young women. Maybe because young women today are less able to distinguish the difference between fiction and reality, or because the media hype had people reading it who ordinarily, wouldn't even pick up, or maybe because a bunch of older women (who should know better) made fools of themselves by screaming after it just like their tween daughters.
Whatever the reason, I would venture to say that the worth of the story, (like any other subjective thing) is in the eye of the beholder. Some people will hate, that doesn't make it horrible. Some will love it, that doesn't make it wonderful. In the end, it is just a story. Only the actions of the readers (those who love it too much, and those that hate it too much) give it more power than a simple fiction story should have.
I think the biggest issue is not the story, but readers on both sides who can't seem to keep it in the realm of fiction. I've never seen a story so applied to reality as the Twilight series.
Well, maybe Harry Potter. There were actually kids throwing themselves at the barrier at the train station hoping Hogwarts was real. The inability of the readers to separate fiction from reality is not the fault of the author.
There are books out there in the Urban Fantasy realm, where the men are far more controlling that Edward could ever dream of being, and yet there are no long discussions over the merits of such stories. They are adult books, but the first one I read was loaned to me by a teenager.
I guess the great deal of extremely strong feelings over Twilight baffles me.
Several have cited the reason lies in how Bella gave everything up to be with Edward, how she needed rescuing so she was weak, and she fell head over heals in love with Edward at too young an age, as reasons to hate the book.
Where is the gnashing of teeth over Disney? The Little Mermaid fell head over heals in love with Eric without even meeting him. She defied her father at every turn, went to the Sea Witch and risked her life to become human so she could be with Eric, leaving everything she knew (including family) behind.
Cinderella couldn't even get out of her house without a fairy godmother to help and later Prince Charming to rescue her.
Many stories geared toward young girls run along this theme. But only in Twilight is there such an uproar. Frankly, as baffled as this makes me, it also fascinates me. Human nature, the way we think and react, is such an interesting thing watch.
Bella... Whiny, pathetic Bella...(and yes, I have read all the books)
i think people hate twilight because the forbidden love story has become sort of a cliche... also the movie fell short of the books' expectations, and probably because no one understand's the purpose of the story... and they lived happily ever after for forever... what kind of ending is that... i loved the books but the ending kind of bummed me out
I read the entire series and dragged through New Moon and Eclipse. My problem with the series is that it was 10% plot and 90% Zzzzzzz. Bella was the worst main character ever to appear in a novel. She had no interests, opinions, ambitions or loyalty. She was one of those silly teenage girls who finds a boyfriend, abandons her friends, and wonders why they're not around when she finally comes up for air. I detest the idea of any girl getting married at 18 before she has a chance to experience the world. Because Meyers created Edward as the perfect manpire with no apparent flaws, he's difficult to like. As everyone has said before, he's the epitome of an abusive boyfriend. So...that's why I find Twilight distasteful. I found that other than Breaking Dawn, they were poorly written. The movies have nothing to do with this -- we're discussing books here.
I think people hate it so much because it bacame way too mainstream, what with shirts, and Team Edward vs. Team Jacob, and screaming teenagers, and all of the merch. Without all of that, the Twilight series wouldn't be so hated.
I think that people do not like these books because they are not well writen. Also nothing happens and it is very predictable. Another thing is it is not realistic at all. I get that it is about vampires but it can still be realistic in the context. For example things that happen in Harry Potter books are very realistic for that book. I don't think that the twilight books have that. Also I don't think that the author wrote the books to well. The character are not described very well. When my sister and I read the books we both had very different opions about what they looked like. Also there was hardly any character development. From the first book to the last book the characters stayed basicly the same. I also hated the character Edward. I found him to be very controling and kind of an ass. There are other vampire books that are much better written then this one.
I always found it interesting when people give the argument that Twilight is hated so much because of the teenage fans. I guess I was lucky to grow up in a time when being a young teenager was not considered to be a vile and superfluous time in one's life. I actually think it's kind of sweet when something really grabs and holds their attention, because I've always preferred enthusiasm to apathy in people anyway. It's the same way with smaller children, they'll often go over the deep end on a subject like sharks or butterflies or World War II or Elvis. I've always found these kids to be the more intelligent and well-adjusted ones as well. Really, why be upset when they scream and carry on? Didn't you do that when you were their age (if you're older)? I did. I thought River Phoenix and I were destined to be together and spent a lot of time staring at his picture and would freak out when a new article came out about him (and then the information would echo through my consciousness until the next article came out). Of course, the kids are much luckier today with the internet and Twitter, they have access to a lot more information. River Phoenix wasn't my only area of interest, but they all shared an intensity that (I think) is characteristic of that age. For the most part, everyone around me was pretty indulgent of my passions. I didn't have anyone call me an equivalent name to 'Twi-tard' or spend time being nasty about what I liked in an effort to annoy me and then blame me for it.
Thinking about why this is, I think there was a more definate line between what was for young adults and what was for adults. I think there are more adults now who read YA literature than when I was that age. I think that adults then were more tolerant of things that were deemed to be "for others", as opposed to now when they're seen as entertainment for adults as well. (Although there's always been the same talk of whether a certain book or movie is "good for them".)
LOL, Very true Mickey. I can remember practically every girl in my fifth grade class was madly in love with Patrick Swayze. Dirty Dancing was THE movie, every girl with a vcr watched the movie over and over, his poster adorned many a young girls room, and I would have to say that yes, we were a bunch of screaming fanatics.
A.D. wrote: "LOL, Very true Mickey. I can remember practically every girl in my fifth grade class was madly in love with Patrick Swayze. Dirty Dancing was THE movie, every girl with a vcr watched the movie over and over, his poster adorned many a young girls room, and I would have to say that yes, we were a bunch of screaming fanatics."Yes! I think this behavior is pretty normal. Can you imagine if a group of people went into your fifth grade class and talked about the lack of good characterization in Dirty Dancing and whether Baby was a good role model for girls and called it stupid and "porn for 10 year olds". I wonder what the reaction would have been...
I read the Twilight books before the Twilight madness started and loved them. I think it's fine there are no literary themes or anything, some books should just be for fun. Not everything has to have some profound meaning to it-I mean we can't all be Mark Twain. But I absolutely hated the movies. Kristin is okay in some movies, but in this case her acting was awful. And I hated Robert Pattenson. I've never really liked his acting...I couldn't stand him as Cedric Diggory.
I think that people in general have a tendency to bad mouth something that is so successful that it makes them feel even more inferior. As a successful writer, I will immediately admit that the writing in the Twilight series if exceptional and the story isn't a vampire story so much as it is a love story. All the nay sayer need only answer one question to lend any credence to their negative reviews. How many bestsellers have you written? That's what I thought.
Whitebeard wrote: "I think that people in general have a tendency to bad mouth something that is so successful that it makes them feel even more inferior. As a successful writer, I will immediately admit that the wr..."Thats ridiculous. So everything in the world that's successful is good?
Thats specious reasoning to be sure.
And saying that the writing is exceptional? Seriously even many of Twilight's fans admit that the writing is less than stellar...hard to see you as a successful writer if that's what you consider exceptional...
Ahhh, the saint to date. I see why you avoid using your name but rather choose some pompous self annointed title. When rational intellect fails, you then resort to personal attacks. Damned amusing I'd say. Still, the truth is that Ms Meyer made what, a hundred million dollars and sold how many books? And statistically, only about 1 in 800 college grads major in literary fields and would really know what is good or bad in writing. I'll just jump to the conclusion that you aren't one of those based on your comments. Those tens of millions folks who have read and enjoyed the Twilight series just know what they like. And in the final analysis, it's about entertainment. The series is a raging success and all the nay sayers can't do a thing but complain.
Tyler wrote: "I think it has something to do with the lack of substance in the series. There's no overarching theme that brings a message to the readers, Huckleberry Finn tackled racism, The Lion, The Witch and ..."Good reply.
all discussions on this book
|
post a new topic
Presenting Robert Cormier (other topics)
Presenting Madeleine L'Engle (other topics)
Misery (other topics)
Lincoln's Melancholy: How Depression Challenged a President and Fueled His Greatness (other topics)
More...
V.C. Andrews (other topics)
Books mentioned in this topic
Presenting S.E. Hinton (other topics)Presenting Robert Cormier (other topics)
Presenting Madeleine L'Engle (other topics)
Misery (other topics)
Lincoln's Melancholy: How Depression Challenged a President and Fueled His Greatness (other topics)
More...
Authors mentioned in this topic
Laurell K. Hamilton (other topics)V.C. Andrews (other topics)
i think i agree with you. but i think pple who havent read the books like the movie... cause they don't know the "Real" version (i mean, c'mon, the first movie??? it'so nly the characters... the story aint it at all! xD)
the pple who "hate" Twilight, are the ones that read the books, loved them, and were disappointed w/ the movies (*rises hand* i'm one of 'em) so pple dont hate TWILIGHT, they dislike very strongly the movies... xD