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Gwennie, biblioholic
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Nov 10, 2011 06:22AM
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--Off topic here but -- if any of you are also LOTU fans. He is also my Paris. Love those eyes.
Clara wrote: "White Collar! I love it and him. Did you know he can sing, also?"I looked him up on IMDB and in the trivia, this was said.
"He has a singing talent he has professionally showed it in different occasions: He was invited to sing along Kelli O'Hara on the Kennedy Center Honors on December 2010. He sang along Diahann Carroll on White Collar Season 2, Episode 13: Countermeasures."
Maybe he can totally pull it off! :P
And to everyone, AWESOME EYES!!!! Wow.
Seriously??? Like, goosebumps just took over my body... Yup he's Roger... Quick, someone send this to the powers that be...
He sings, too?! He's just gotten better in my estimations, if that is possible! I've loved him ever since I saw him on season 1 of Chuck as Bryce Larkin.
Leea ~Whistles Save Lives~ wrote: "This is for Wendy :)
I just got lost in his eyes... haha!"
wow nice picture! Thanks for sharing it..He looks like a Roger to me...Very handsome.
Dude, lol! I totally forgot that he was Bryce Larkin!
Wendy F wrote: "Dude, lol! I totally forgot that he was Bryce Larkin!"I know, right?! I was so glad that he showed up on White Collar b/c he was too purty to not be on television! :)
I am currently listening to The Fiery Cross on audio after waiting FOREVER for it to be available @ audible. Anyways... I am at the part where Roger has his run in with William Buccleigh Mackenzie(hate him). I have actually had to stop because I know it will be a tough listen for me! I don't like to cry while I'm driving. :)
Angela wrote: "I am currently listening to The Fiery Cross on audio after waiting FOREVER for it to be available @ audible. Anyways... I am at the part where Roger has his run in with William Buccleigh Mackenzie(..."I am reading that same part right now. I find myself hoping that Roger will not be hanged, knowing I can't change it! This is the best series I have ever read! I am so psyched about the next book coming out!
He's hot! I don't exactly dislike Roger but he is too soft. I wish he was more confident. He pretty much lets Bree treat him like shit. I really don't care for her much. I don't think her and Roger make a good couple. She is way too strong for him. I might like them both better if they were with other people. I still have a lot more to read so maybe my opinion will change later.
I love Roger. He is so sweet and sometimes funny...Maybe cause I am thinking of when he first met Bree and his housekeeper Fiona had a crush on him and he was trying to get away from her. Anyway I think he is a gentleman. He never wanted to take advantage of Bree either.
I just started my Outlander reread, I'd forgotten that we meet Roger when he's a child living with Whitfield. I also love Roger. We can't compaire him to our beloved Jaime. Roger grew up around books and scholars. Not the tough highlands having to survive. I do hope some happiness is coming for Roger...
I love Roger too. I love how he's the character that always struggles. It makes me feel a connection to him. Not everyone can adapt like Claire and Jamie.
One scene I can never forget ****SPOILER ALERT*****!!!!!!!!!when Claire lay unconscious and Roger was reading to her and praying and she woke up and realized all her hair was gone and she wondered how she looked and Roger said she was 'Beautiful'....sometimes I wonder if he had a little crush on her....lol...
I wondered that too! He talked about how beautiful she was all the time.
Yeah, he had a major crush on Claire but I also think he had a ton of respect for her. (view spoiler)
Yes, I believe Roger saw something very special in Claire and had a lot of respect for her. I remember him saying how he liked watching how Jamie and Claire interracted with each other...or something like they made love without even touching.
Jaime Dornan would make a fabulous Roger. He most recently was seen on ABC's Once Upon a Time as the Sheriff/ Huntsman. He is originally from Northern Ireland too, so he has a lilt to his accent naturally.http://www.menshairstyles.net/v/celeb...
Okay I have gotten a little farther in FC. Another thing that drives me nuts about Roger is that he isn't a manly man. I think because I have slightly old fashioned views have read a lot of HR I expect the men to be able to hunt, shoot, kill and provide for his family. To be strong. His wife is stronger than him in every way. I can handle a woman being strong but not stronger than her husband.
I really like Roger. He may not have the physical strength that Jamie and the other men do, but his strengths come from within. He's very patient and with a wife like Bree he has to be. He's very supportive of her and her family. But most of all it's his spiritual strength that I admire. In the midst of all the fighting, his conscience tells him no, but he's willing to take up arms and defend what he thinks is right. His willingness to compromise and talk things over when others are not.
Roger is the classic beta male. Sure, he doesn't have the physical prowess of some others, but he's a 20th Century man - he didn't need to know these things. He does, however, try his best to learn. He has his own strength, and is a wonderful second to Jamie. Of all the characters, I think that actually like and can relate to him the best. My friends and I used to have something we called the "steak dinner test." Who would you most want to sit down and have a steak dinner with? For me, that would be Roger.
Being a 20th century man is no excuse. I know A LOT of men who are the manly type. My husband is one of those men. My point is I don't find his character attractive. I like a man who knows how to do the physical work to care for his family. Bree is more manly than Roger. LOL
I know that Roger and Jamie were both raised by 2 very different men. Brian, has his way of making Jamie understand his responsibilities and how to make him the man he is. Roger, is more of a scholar, typical beta male and very interceptive. Bree is such a strong women, I think they have such a unique relationship. I believe Rog let's her lead most of the time because she's so stubborn (like her Da) but he holds his ground on some points. I felt like you Shay at first, but after reading Echo, I came to understand Roger a little better.
Not all men can be the type that hunt and do physical labor. Like Leea said, Roger is a 20th century scholar. His strength's lie elsewhere. I think Roger was necessary because not all men can be like Jamie. Like I said before, Roger brings a sense of realism to the mix. if all the men in the book were alpha physical guys it would have detracted from the authenticty of the story. Even back then there were men who were shop workers, or printers or things that were not hunting and physical. They lived in towns.
I personally liked that Bree was able to do the hunting. As a 20th century woman myself I thought it was a good touch. PLUS, the reason Bree was able to do those things was because she was taught them. She was going to engineering school. Frank took her to the shooting range. Otherwise she would have been inept too.
I'm with Wendy. I really like Roger b/c he provides a balance. He's the yin to Jamie's yang. The book would be completely ridiculous if it was chalk full of beta males. That's not realistic. He does take care of his family the best way he knows how. He's learning and adjusting the best way he can. Remember, he was with Jamie when they rescued Claire. He fought along side them. Also, the poor man was (view spoiler) Plus, if Jamie respects him that's the least we can do. ;)
Exactly! You have to think that coming from the 20th century as a Professor at a University. He stepped back into the 18th century and was forced to learn how to (view spoiler). It's no wonder that Roger struggled. He was just as out of water as Jamie would be if he stepped into the 20th century!Had to come back and edit! I don't know if that happened in Voyager or Drums...
Jen, Sinatra fan wrote: "I'm with Wendy. I really like Roger b/c he provides a balance. He's the yin to Jamie's yang. The book would be completely ridiculous if it was chalk full of beta males. That's not realistic. He doe..."here here
Jen, Sinatra fan wrote: "I'm with Wendy. I really like Roger b/c he provides a balance. He's the yin to Jamie's yang. The book would be completely ridiculous if it was chalk full of beta males. That's not realistic. He doe..."What does (view spoiler) have to do with it?
Like I said I don't dislike him. I would like him more if he were stronger and more manly. I hate what he has been through so far.
Shay wrote: "What does (view spoiler) have to do with it?..."Just that he's done pretty well adjusting to where he is now and the fact that he made it through that experience (view spoiler) means he's definitely of sterner stuff. He is strong, strong of character which is just like Jamie. He's a Mackenzie, after all. He's gotten much tougher physically since he first (view spoiler)and as time goes by he'll get even tougher. He has to in order to protect his family.
I think he's going to surprise us in the next book.
I agree Jen I think he is going to kick some ass in this next book and will be just as fierce as any of them. I love Roger, he is sensitive and an intellectual. He is caring and spiritual. He is a thinker and deep of character. Roger was raised in a completely different environment by his reverend historian uncle as an only child after his parents were killed. I don't think he is weak I think he shows the contrast between the two time periods.
I am only on FC. I haven't read far enough to really see his strength other than when he was (view spoiler) I hated the misunderstanding that made that happen. I was pissed at Claire and Bree for that. I have also felt bad for him trying to get Jamie to accept him and what Jocasta said to him during the Gathering.Someone said they didn't know why some people don't like Roger. I was giving insight to that.
I liked Roger from the first time he was introduced as an adult in DIA.. And Shay, I too was angry with Claire and Bree for a while for the misunderstanding. All of that could've been avoided. But ofcourse it had to happen that way. I have always felt bad for Roger. He goes through so much. Well, Just like everyone else in the book has gone through alot too. But still, he may not be a warrior like our beloved Jamie or as skilled in hunting as Ian jr, etc...but Lord knows he tries. He is a good man.
Please please mark your posts that speak about something that is a storyline spoiler. Shay has only read through Drums so we don't want to accidentally give anything away for her or any other members who haven't read the whole series yet.I do so hate to be a nag about this, but I know of a lot of members we've lost because it was unsafe to go in threads because people weren't being aware of marking posts with spoilers. It's such an easy thing do do, either with the spoiler code or even just SPOILER above your writing. You could even say what book it is a spoiler for, so they know if they can read it.
It is really the only rule of the group, and it helps to protect the integrity of the story, so please please just be aware.
Teresita wrote: "I liked Roger from the first time he was introduced as in adult in DIA.. And Shay, I too was angry with Claire and Bree for a while for the misunderstanding. All of that could've been avoided. But ..."I think that's well said Teresita! And I think that it's a testament to Rogers strength that despite the fact that he starts out with a handicap he continues to try and progress and find a place to fit in. he's a fighter.
I loved the huntsman. He was so cute. I love his voice. He would make a great Roger
Shay wrote: "I am only on FC. I haven't read far enough to really see his strength other than when he was [spoilers removed] I hated the misunderstanding that made that happen. I was pissed at Claire and Bree f..."Ah, you've only read up to Fiery Cross. That makes sense! :) Read on, read on!
I totally agree with Wendy. There has to be balance. I believe there is a little of Roger in Jamie and a little of Jamie in Roger. There are always layers to a character. That's why you can relate to them and feel their emotions and become part of the story. That's why I can read these books over and over. I always find a new layer. I love Roger.
I am married to a Roger; smart, academic, funny, and sweet, yet like Roger he does the "manly" things he needs to do....chop wood, clear snow, all the 21st century "hard labor" stuff. And when all is said and done, I wouldn't trade my Roger for Jamie....I don't think...hehe
Carol -- Me too! My husband may not be tall like Roger, but in all other aspects he is. Plus, he gave me three beautiful (all grown) children.
Roger seems to be one of those characters you either really like or you don't like at all. I'm in the "really like" category - LOL!I started liking Roger immensely when, in Dragonfly in Amber he didn't automatically dismiss Claire's story. His historian side took over, and he was willing to listen and believe. If it weren't for Roger, I don't think Bree would have ever come around. Roger really likes and respects Claire, and yes, I think he has a bit of a crush on her.
As for Roger's "he-man-ness" (or lack thereof), I always took it as plunking down a 20th Century man in the middle of 18th Century life. It's such a different time and place; Roger's upbringing and education would have molded him to see things and people in a completely different way. Roger underwent his trial-by-fire when he had to survive his slavery to the Mohawk. If that didn't toughen him up! And when I think about the only hope Roger could have would be to go back thru the stones without Bree... I'm amazed at his mental toughness to survive all of that. He still had to deal with the friction with Jamie and Ian, the question of Jem's father, and whether or not it was worth it to live that life. Roger was the "peace-maker" to Jamie's & Ian's "bloody" men. When it counted, Roger took up arms and did what he needed to do. He didn't blink when Jamie asked him to be an officer under Jamie's command, even though Roger didn't know anything about being a soldier.
As for hunting and all that... well, I can't say that I blame Roger for not being so instantly adept. He didn't need to hunt for his dinner in his own time. I sure couldn't do it! In fact, I couldn't do a lot of what was required in that time. It ticked me off at how well Bree seemed to fold into that life and time. Sure, she made some gaffes in understanding the class structure and all, but... And it's true that Frank prepared her by teaching her to shoot, hunt, and camp. Bree just seemed to OK with it all. (Once we learned about Frank's prep and what he did with the graves in Scotland, I figured that Frank always expected both Claire and Bree to go back to the 18th century. In fact, I'd wondered if Frank wasn't deliberately trying to push Claire in that direction when he told her he was leaving Boston and taking Bree.)
I love Roger's relationship with Jamie and Claire. In Echo, Roger mentions thinking of Jamie as his father. In another book, Roger looks to Jamie & Claire as a model of a marriage; Roger didn't know his parents - couldn't see their marriage, and the Rev Wakefield was never married. From Dragonfly in Amber on, we see Roger fascinated with Claire and trusting her implicitly. I do love the scene where Roger is praying a Psalm over Claire when she's been so ill. And I love how he did his best to get the truth about Malva; he was unmovable in his faith in both Jamie and Claire and their innocence.
Who wouldn't have a lot to live up to being around Jamie Fraser? And I think that's part of Roger's purpose and his charm. He's definitely relate-able. I think I relate to Roger because like me sometimes, Roger can be in his head too much. He cares too much. But that intelligence and ability to calmly reason get him through the worst. I just hate that Roger doubts himself so often; I guess because, again, I can relate to that! He hasn't any trouble believing the best of others, just himself.
Lori I couldn't agree with you more. I especially agree with your point that Frank probably was preparing Bree to go back in his own way while still being her "daddy". I am not a Frank fan but truely respect what he did for Bree. I love Roger and have since the beginning. I love how he has grown in his diverse abilities and spiritualality through the series. I have never seen him as unmanly or hen pecked at all.
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this is the Roger I see. yes, he is a little old but make-up artists can do wonderful things. If you are still undecided you need to see him in P.S. I love you. When I first met Roger in DIA I did not like him at all. Right away I knew he was going to end up with Brianna and I just couldn't feel it or see it. But when Jamie beat him up on the hill, I was sold.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan. (sorry I cannot figure out how to put his picture up here.) Yes, he is a little on the old side but make up artist can do wonderful things. When I first me Roger in DIA I was not impressed at all and just knew he was going to end up with Brianna. That thoroughly bothered me. But when Jamie beat him up on on the hill in DOA I fell love. I was sold and Jeffrey Dean Morgan was in head from then on.
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On the 1st page of this thread, WendyF posted a pic of Mat Bomer and now that's how I imagine Roger when I read the books; he has such "sweet" eyes :D
LOL, yeah, Matt Bomer is defintely my favorite idea for Roger. His eyes are striking enough that it would work.Especially after it was mentioned that he sings too.
Wendy F wrote: "LOL, yeah, Matt Bomer is defintely my favorite idea for Roger. His eyes are striking enough that it would work.Especially after it was mentioned that he sings too."
Thanks, Wendy! Forgot that it was mentioned before that he can sing; he goes to the top of my list! :D
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