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Twilight-haters: Why So Vicious?
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Oct 13, 2011 10:31AM
Okay, so Twilight is no _________________ (enter your favorite classic YA fiction here).
But I don't understand all the criticism. It is bordering on the obsession-like behavior that you so callously attribute to the Twilight-Lovers.
So, she isn't the best author, and her books have typos, grammatical errors, run-on sentences, etc.
Well, I never noticed too many. I was too busy alternating between hating Bella's stubborness, or crying (let's just say I'm hormonal), because of the heart-wrenching emotion the books evoke.
Also, what is all this business about her books NOT having a plot? They have a plot, a story goal, a story idea, conflict, resolution, colorfully-detailed characters, and a climax. She is no J.K. Rowling (who I believe to be a genius), but come on, her first novel was written and published within 6 MONTHS.
The plot is very evident to me: Bella falls in love with Edward and is willing to sacrifice everything in her life to be with him for eternity, even if that means she has to die (become a vampire, immortal).
I just don't understand how Bella is a bad role model, either. She is a virgin at 18, in this day and age, that is a miracle in itself, and she doesn't have sex until AFTER marriage. (I couldn't stand Bella's ridiculous attitude about receiving gifts, etc from Edward, and found myself slamming the book down a few times exclaiming, "what a self-indulgent BRAT!" or "Bella is the WORST girlfriend in the world. She does NOT deserve Edward. Edward needs someone more like....me." ;)) Other than her attitude sucking, she is like most young girls who fall in love fast and hard, BUT she doesn't go from guy to guy like most teen girls, and even admitted in the books that she was using Jacob to get over Edward, which he KNEW and accepted, by the way.
She also planned to go to elite colleges to finish her education, being that this was the way Carlisle's family avoided suspection, so we know that she was going to college, stay married to the same man forever, live as a "vegetarian", so we know she didn't plan to murder her food.
Is it just the (feminist) idea that women aren't supposed to NEED a man to be happy? Isn't that what SOME of you find distasteful? Well, I don't need my husband to be happy, but I am happier being married to a man I love. He brightens my existence with companionship, laughter, love, romance, and, yes, sex.
I can't have all that with a woman or by myself....
Anyway, I liked the Twilight series well enough, and fell in love with Edward, (He tended to get on my nerves for putting up with Bella's mood swings and childishness so patiently, though). I miss the chivalry of men from the days of old. Holding open your car door, helping you put on your sweater, being sensitive to your needs, etc. They just don't make them like that anymore.
You are lucky if you get to ride in the front seat the morning after you have just given your virginity to some unworthy immature jerk who, for weeks, told you he loved you, and woo-ed (played) you for the fool you are. But I digress...
As for Breaking Dawn, I hated both names for the baby (ugh... Carlie would have been so much sweeter, since Bella lived with her Dad, who loved her beyond words, who she took after, and who we, the reader, came to know more intimately than her flighty mother, Renee) and was extremely disappointed in all of the drama-queenish behavior (by Edward, especially) in the previous books over Bella becoming a vampire, if, according to BD, it was just the best thing since sliced-bread (cliche, so-sue-me).
Just like someone else wrote Bella became a "Supermodel-like Goddess" with superpowers and was happier than she had ever been, which just makes all the angst and twisted emotion in the 3 previous books seem like a huge waste of energy, emotion, tears, time, etc.
Needless to say, I wasn't happy with the way SM ended the series. It had so much potential to be great, typos, run-on sentences, grammatical errors, and all.
But I don't understand all the criticism. It is bordering on the obsession-like behavior that you so callously attribute to the Twilight-Lovers.
So, she isn't the best author, and her books have typos, grammatical errors, run-on sentences, etc.
Well, I never noticed too many. I was too busy alternating between hating Bella's stubborness, or crying (let's just say I'm hormonal), because of the heart-wrenching emotion the books evoke.
Also, what is all this business about her books NOT having a plot? They have a plot, a story goal, a story idea, conflict, resolution, colorfully-detailed characters, and a climax. She is no J.K. Rowling (who I believe to be a genius), but come on, her first novel was written and published within 6 MONTHS.
The plot is very evident to me: Bella falls in love with Edward and is willing to sacrifice everything in her life to be with him for eternity, even if that means she has to die (become a vampire, immortal).
I just don't understand how Bella is a bad role model, either. She is a virgin at 18, in this day and age, that is a miracle in itself, and she doesn't have sex until AFTER marriage. (I couldn't stand Bella's ridiculous attitude about receiving gifts, etc from Edward, and found myself slamming the book down a few times exclaiming, "what a self-indulgent BRAT!" or "Bella is the WORST girlfriend in the world. She does NOT deserve Edward. Edward needs someone more like....me." ;)) Other than her attitude sucking, she is like most young girls who fall in love fast and hard, BUT she doesn't go from guy to guy like most teen girls, and even admitted in the books that she was using Jacob to get over Edward, which he KNEW and accepted, by the way.
She also planned to go to elite colleges to finish her education, being that this was the way Carlisle's family avoided suspection, so we know that she was going to college, stay married to the same man forever, live as a "vegetarian", so we know she didn't plan to murder her food.
Is it just the (feminist) idea that women aren't supposed to NEED a man to be happy? Isn't that what SOME of you find distasteful? Well, I don't need my husband to be happy, but I am happier being married to a man I love. He brightens my existence with companionship, laughter, love, romance, and, yes, sex.
I can't have all that with a woman or by myself....
Anyway, I liked the Twilight series well enough, and fell in love with Edward, (He tended to get on my nerves for putting up with Bella's mood swings and childishness so patiently, though). I miss the chivalry of men from the days of old. Holding open your car door, helping you put on your sweater, being sensitive to your needs, etc. They just don't make them like that anymore.
You are lucky if you get to ride in the front seat the morning after you have just given your virginity to some unworthy immature jerk who, for weeks, told you he loved you, and woo-ed (played) you for the fool you are. But I digress...
As for Breaking Dawn, I hated both names for the baby (ugh... Carlie would have been so much sweeter, since Bella lived with her Dad, who loved her beyond words, who she took after, and who we, the reader, came to know more intimately than her flighty mother, Renee) and was extremely disappointed in all of the drama-queenish behavior (by Edward, especially) in the previous books over Bella becoming a vampire, if, according to BD, it was just the best thing since sliced-bread (cliche, so-sue-me).
Just like someone else wrote Bella became a "Supermodel-like Goddess" with superpowers and was happier than she had ever been, which just makes all the angst and twisted emotion in the 3 previous books seem like a huge waste of energy, emotion, tears, time, etc.
Needless to say, I wasn't happy with the way SM ended the series. It had so much potential to be great, typos, run-on sentences, grammatical errors, and all.
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Shanah wrote: "Okay, so Twilight is no _________________ (enter your favorite classic YA fiction here).
But I don't understand all the criticism. It is bordering on the obsession-like behavior that you so call..."
I'm twenty and haven't even kissed a boy and neither have most of my friends so Bella being a virgin at 18? not a big deal, especially since she goes and gets married! You should not get married until you know yourself and I don't believe you can completely know yourself until you've been out on your own, which she hadn't been. Also Edward's behavior was very stalkerish and if Bella was smart (which she obviously wasn't) she would have avoided him like the plague (I would have called the police if he showed up in my room like that) and finally I HATED what she did to vampires, I have studied vampire legends and history and they are very dark and interesting and somehow (and I didn't think this was possible) she made vampires BORING!!!!! (this is all besides the fact that the writing sucks!!)
I'm not a rabid Twilight hater (whistles innocently) really I'm not!! (although I could go on but I won't subject you guy's to that :})
But I don't understand all the criticism. It is bordering on the obsession-like behavior that you so call..."
I'm twenty and haven't even kissed a boy and neither have most of my friends so Bella being a virgin at 18? not a big deal, especially since she goes and gets married! You should not get married until you know yourself and I don't believe you can completely know yourself until you've been out on your own, which she hadn't been. Also Edward's behavior was very stalkerish and if Bella was smart (which she obviously wasn't) she would have avoided him like the plague (I would have called the police if he showed up in my room like that) and finally I HATED what she did to vampires, I have studied vampire legends and history and they are very dark and interesting and somehow (and I didn't think this was possible) she made vampires BORING!!!!! (this is all besides the fact that the writing sucks!!)
I'm not a rabid Twilight hater (whistles innocently) really I'm not!! (although I could go on but I won't subject you guy's to that :})
Correct me if I am wrong but it does seems as if you yourself are a Twilight Hater what a self-indulgent BRAT!" or "Bella is the WORST girlfriend in the world. She does NOT deserve Edward. Those are a lot of the comments I have heard Twilight Haters scream since the very beginning.
Now the reason I dislike Twilight ( and I can't speak for others nor am I trying too) is simply because of the Twi-hards.
I read the series a couple years ago because a friend let me borrow the first one. It wasn't bad, there were errors in her writing but whatever that has been commented upon far to much for me to have to bring it back up.
After wards I got the last three books the following Christmas and figured I could read them when I had nothing else. Three weeks later I was done..and really disappointed. Finishing the series left me with more questions then when I had only read the first one! But I was willing to put them down and give them all a three star rating ( Which I thought was very fair).
Then Twilight the movie came out and a friend asked if I wanted to see it, I agreed and well it may have been the only thing I regret spending 5 bucks on. It was so bad it was almost laughable, well it was laughable and I spent most of the time chuckling quietly to my self and getting evil glares from others. Again I was willing to put the experience behind me and never talk of it again.
THEN I went back to school, and there was none stop talk about Twilight this or Edward is so flippin sexy...Jacob is adorable...I love how they sparkle..best love story ever! It didn't stop for months and it still hasn't.
I agree the series was a good read, but when I hear people saying it was better then Harry Potter better then Lord of the Rings, Romeo and Juliet and all these amazing books that are well written, that pull you into to the story and never leave you questioning everything that you had read, it did ( and still does) piss me off.
So I think there is and always well be such vicious and strong Twilight haters as long as there well be the Twi-Hards that are completely addicted to the series and feel the need to insult great writers and put down novels that well still be famous when Twilight is the dusty book on your shelf, you haven't read or thought about for years.
I don't know if I was any help but I hope I was oh and I think you made two of this discussion on accident.
Now the reason I dislike Twilight ( and I can't speak for others nor am I trying too) is simply because of the Twi-hards.
I read the series a couple years ago because a friend let me borrow the first one. It wasn't bad, there were errors in her writing but whatever that has been commented upon far to much for me to have to bring it back up.
After wards I got the last three books the following Christmas and figured I could read them when I had nothing else. Three weeks later I was done..and really disappointed. Finishing the series left me with more questions then when I had only read the first one! But I was willing to put them down and give them all a three star rating ( Which I thought was very fair).
Then Twilight the movie came out and a friend asked if I wanted to see it, I agreed and well it may have been the only thing I regret spending 5 bucks on. It was so bad it was almost laughable, well it was laughable and I spent most of the time chuckling quietly to my self and getting evil glares from others. Again I was willing to put the experience behind me and never talk of it again.
THEN I went back to school, and there was none stop talk about Twilight this or Edward is so flippin sexy...Jacob is adorable...I love how they sparkle..best love story ever! It didn't stop for months and it still hasn't.
I agree the series was a good read, but when I hear people saying it was better then Harry Potter better then Lord of the Rings, Romeo and Juliet and all these amazing books that are well written, that pull you into to the story and never leave you questioning everything that you had read, it did ( and still does) piss me off.
So I think there is and always well be such vicious and strong Twilight haters as long as there well be the Twi-Hards that are completely addicted to the series and feel the need to insult great writers and put down novels that well still be famous when Twilight is the dusty book on your shelf, you haven't read or thought about for years.
I don't know if I was any help but I hope I was oh and I think you made two of this discussion on accident.
I agree w/ Silence. It isn't Twilight that most "haters" dislike, it's the in-your-face Twi-hards. I gave Twilight 2 stars. I think it was engaging and fun, and in the end, fluffy, if I'm allowed to use that term.
Also, the original post says something about how you can't get all that from a woman, which is only true if you're married to a man. :D
I think Twilight pisses off a lot of ppl who like to call themselves feminists b/c they don't like the idea of a woman needing a man, as you said, and they think women should be just like men. Bella's main goal in life (during this period of her life) was to 'get a man!' And that pisses ppl off b/c they think girls should have more than that going on. However, that's the plot of most romance novels, so I'm confused as to why ppl think that should be any different for Twilight.
People tend to forget that this if a NOVEL. It's not a real person.
Anyway, I'm not a Twi-hater or a Twi-hard, but I do read and sometimes participate in discussions on these boards, and those are some arguments I've seen. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with any of them right now!
I have stated my opinions on other threads, so I won't do it again here. People get really mad at me b/c I'm an opinionated b*tch...I have summarized a few twi-hating discussions I've read. Again, I neither love nor hate Twilight, so don't get your guns out! :D
Also, the original post says something about how you can't get all that from a woman, which is only true if you're married to a man. :D
I think Twilight pisses off a lot of ppl who like to call themselves feminists b/c they don't like the idea of a woman needing a man, as you said, and they think women should be just like men. Bella's main goal in life (during this period of her life) was to 'get a man!' And that pisses ppl off b/c they think girls should have more than that going on. However, that's the plot of most romance novels, so I'm confused as to why ppl think that should be any different for Twilight.
People tend to forget that this if a NOVEL. It's not a real person.
Anyway, I'm not a Twi-hater or a Twi-hard, but I do read and sometimes participate in discussions on these boards, and those are some arguments I've seen. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with any of them right now!
I have stated my opinions on other threads, so I won't do it again here. People get really mad at me b/c I'm an opinionated b*tch...I have summarized a few twi-hating discussions I've read. Again, I neither love nor hate Twilight, so don't get your guns out! :D
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her first novel was written and published within 6 MONTHS.
I found this to be the problem with the books. They were not polished. JK Rowling was rejected 12 times before getting HP published. I think rejection could've helped Meyer better polish her work.
I also disagree that the books have plots. They don't. Much of the books, Meyer spends waxing philosophical about pointless things and Edward's beauty.
Don't get me wrong. I like the books and generally defend them, because I don't see the point of say, Stephen King's vicious attacks; I have long acknowledged that part of the books' appeal is their campiness. I just agree that they could've been more polished and they need not be so long.
I found this to be the problem with the books. They were not polished. JK Rowling was rejected 12 times before getting HP published. I think rejection could've helped Meyer better polish her work.
I also disagree that the books have plots. They don't. Much of the books, Meyer spends waxing philosophical about pointless things and Edward's beauty.
Don't get me wrong. I like the books and generally defend them, because I don't see the point of say, Stephen King's vicious attacks; I have long acknowledged that part of the books' appeal is their campiness. I just agree that they could've been more polished and they need not be so long.
It's a faze. Let the lovers love it and the haters hate it. It'll all blow over. I'm looking forward to the Hunger Games movies. Now that is a great story!
i like twilight but i will not go as far as to say it's the best book in the world. but who cares if someone else thinks its the most amazing book in the world that's their opinion, just except it and move on. i can't stand the extreme Twi haters who comment and complain about how they thought this book was horrible and this book is better. if they don't like the book don't put down the people who do.
I have been asking that question since the movie came out.
Maybe there just rotten waste of spaces and have no lives so they have to spend all their time hating on a book series.
Or there people who have been raped and beaten by their fathers or mothers so they have to take it out on someone.
People like twilight haters are the reason curse words were invented.
It is truly pathetic.
Maybe there just rotten waste of spaces and have no lives so they have to spend all their time hating on a book series.
Or there people who have been raped and beaten by their fathers or mothers so they have to take it out on someone.
People like twilight haters are the reason curse words were invented.
It is truly pathetic.
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