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What do you think of the Twilight Haters group?
Saved By Grace wrote: "It gets pretty repetitive, reply wise, on both sides."
I know what you mean about the repetition, not talking about here, but in other places. It helps to just pick your battles.
Sorry, I just think Twilight is awesome!!!
me too. i get so tired of people running down the series and constantly criticizing edward because he's a "stalker." it makes me want to ask, "anything else?" lol.
Yep, Edward's a stalker. But what should we expect? Vampires are notoriously known for being stalkerish and creepy. *shrugs*
well, I must say that I understand that being adicted to any kind of vice it's not something good, get obsessed with these things and "fall in love" with fictional caracters is not heatlthy at all that's for sure. Making that clear, I just can not understand how some people make a big deal about things like "stalking"???? or about the fisical beauty been over rated above moral characteristics... and well a lot of things as such.1th: Is a "TALE" nobody spects to base his whole life in a tale of vampires. How can you judges the actions of fictional creatures?? it's FANTASY... you don't see me saying : "WHY FAIRIES CAN FLY WIHT BUGS WINGS? IT'S AGAINST NATURE, YOU SHOLUD NOT READ ABOUT THEM BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVE IT, YOU'LL REPROVE FISICS AND BIOLOGY" (hahahahaha)
2nd: people forget about what the Twilitgh Saga wants to tell us acording to Stephanie Meyer, which I think is something very strong: "It doesn't matter where you're stuck in life or what you think you have to do; you can always choose something else. There's always a different path" the situations must not decide for you.
3d: The arguments featured in The Saga come from Universal Literature: PRIDE AND PREJUICE, ROMEO AND JUILIET, WUTHERING HEIGHTS, MIDSUMMER NIGHT DREAM, I personaly was interested in readding these books, which I did, afeter I readed the saga. So I think the will for get knowledge about every reference in the story is greate for young minds.
Manuel wrote: "Making that clear, I just can not understand how some people make a big deal about things like "stalking"?"
Well, stalking—following someone without their consent or knowledge—is kind of a big deal.
Manuel wrote: "people forget about what the Twilitgh Saga wants to tell us..."
I don't think Grace was implying the message itself was flawed... I think she was just referring to the way some fans overreact and take certain aspects of it too seriously, and how they tend to romanticize the wrong things. I doubt Grace is calling those incorrect aspects the overall message, I think she is just making a point about the misinformation that girls are perceiving from the text, not that it really is that way.
Saved By Grace wrote: "I don't understand how someone can think stalking is cute, or that it's okay because the guy (or even girl, who knows) is cute..."
I understand what you mean. The thing is, you have to take into account the fans that are saying these things (i.e: "It's okay, 'cause he's hot"). The individuals that say it's alright aren't exactly informed the way you and I are.
I'm sure you have heard the stories of stalkers following someone for days without their knowledge, strangers and sometimes acquaintances, often ending in restraining orders, or worse, murder? I've heard those stories too, because I watch Law & Order sometimes, and the PSA's that go out frequently on the web. However, the younger the fan—or not even having to do with age—the more misinformed the fan, the less likely they have seen or heard about these things. The less likely they are 100% sure what it really means to stalk.
A lot of the girls that say these things say it's because he's "cute", but I think the real reason they don't see it as a bad thing is because, in Edward's specific case, it wasn't. In the book it was rationalized as Edward "protecting" her while also being so in "love" with Bella he couldn't bare to part from her. In real life, that would be the lie a stalker would tell, and it would normally end badly unless the victim called the police. But in the fictional world, it was really the "truth".
So, some fans dismiss it because, in his case, he had nothing but "noble" intentions. He was painted as a secret bodyguard in love with whom he was to protect, rather than a creepy stranger with less than noble intentions. But who's to say that those specific fans think it would apply to any case other than his? I think a lot of them know that it is an exception rather than a general rule for all stalkers. The ones that really do think the only excuse because of his looks, and the ones that think it could apply anywhere else... They should inform themselves.
well let me apologize again, with my poor english sometimes is difficult to express my self quite well XD. The felony of stalking is a big deal, what I meant before is what Melzz says so much better than me XD, what Edward does is not "stalking", what he is doing is something realted to his nature, he is a DEPREDATOR who now is being through a conflict, inside him fights the monster who wants to kill Bella against the man who wants to lover her. That's why I said his behavior should not be questioned like if he was a human because he is a fantasy creature and is a TALE for God sake!!!!!!!!
Saved By Grace wrote: "Um ... again. Don't understand that last part"sorry I don't know how to explain my self better, let me try:
reading the Saga, you can discover how the story is influenced and indexed by sotries from the greatest examples in Universal Lietrature (PRIDE AND PREJUICE, ROMEO AND JUILIET, WUTHERING HEIGHTS, MIDSUMMER NIGHT DREAM)
Saved By Grace wrote: "About the physical beauty? I don't quite know what you're saying there; so I'll just say that yes, there are a billion things more important than physical beauty"you are complete right, what I meant is that I readed about people who says things about how the books gives so much more importance to the physical beatuy than moral principals. Again I have to say the physical beaty is soemthing related to the nature of the fantasy creature and no one who has readed the story, specially the chapter "Compromise" in Eclipse, can say that there is not moral principals in the story.
Melzz wrote: "Yep, Edward's a stalker. But what should we expect? Vampires are notoriously known for being stalkerish and creepy. *shrugs*"i always figured: he'd been a vampire for so long, "living" around other vampires, maybe he forgot what it looked like to sleep, and he was cutely curious. that's what i thought when i read it. i suppose that makes me a bit weird, then, cause everybody always says the stalker thing and that never occured to me.
Amelia*annabeth&percy*sittin in a tree* wrote: "cause everybody always says the stalker thing and that never occured to me..."
Yeah, me too. I also didn't really give the stalking much thought until it was brought up because I assumed, like Manuel said, it was in the nature of a vampire to do so. It's one of the few traditional vampire things the Twipires have done.
The theory of him being curious about the act of sleeping... I've never heard that one before. Interesting idea, Amelia.
lol, you know, not really "SLEEPING WHATS THAT?!?!?!" but just idk like maybe it reminded him of being human or something...i guess i just gave him the benefit of the doubt, cause its not like he was drooling or anything while he watched her sleep, or wringing his hands together and giggling or something weird/creepy.
lol. he doesnt really seem the "logical" type, more the "emotional" type. :D
lol. that was just my opinion on it. for all i know, stephenie meyer might be reading this board going "who the heck is that dummy amelia who thinks that edward cant remember what it's like to SLEEP?"
Saved By Grace wrote: "since he's been living in Forks for pretty much forever, wouldn't that've given him plenty of time to stalk someone else...
Well, in Midnight Sun it was clear that Bella was the only person he'd actually followed before, and it was not not a premeditated thing. He had finished hunting and filling him self, and he had the impulsive thought to see her. Also, he did actually feel like a creep doing it:
"I was repulsed by myself. How was I any better than some sick peeping tom? I wasn't any better."
"I shook my head, disgusted again."
but
"Curiousty flared, overpowering self-disgust."
...And that's the way the cookie crumbled.
Hehe, I liked it too. Jim Carrey's a funny guy. :)
About the stalking...No, it's not cute. No, it's not okay because he's hot. Yes, it is a big deal. But as far as Edward & Bella go in this series: they are bothered at first that they are not bothered about it. Him following her around and his feeling his need to protect her comes from, I think, their intense relationship and is not really true stalking.I think it's supposed to be love at first sight, even though neither one of them recognize it. It's often described as electricity.
"His fingers were ice-cold, like he’d been holding them in a snowdrift before class. But that wasn’t why I jerked my hand away so quickly. When he touched me, it stung my hand as if an electric current had passed through us."
Bella Swan, Twilight, Chapter 2, p.45
"As always, I was electrically aware of Edward sitting close enough to touch, as distant as if he were merely an invention of my imagination."
Bella Swan, Twilight, Chapter 4, p.72
"I was stunned by the unexpected electricity that flowed through me, amazed that it was possible to be more aware of him than I already was."
Bella Swan, Twilight, Chapter 11, p.219
Bella seems so clueless because she never received attention like this before so she can't really recognize what's going on at first.
"I’ve never had a boyfriend or anything close. I didn’t go out much."
Bella Swan, Twilight, Chapter 8, p.153
"He flashed a brilliant smile, looking at me appreciatively in a way I was learning to recognize."
Bella knows that this should feel wrong, but to her it doesn't and she acknowledges that it should be wrong.
"I couldn’t allow him to have this level of influence over me. It was pathetic. More than pathetic, it was unhealthy."
"He was dangerous. He’d been trying to tell me that all along."
"I should be afraid — I knew I should be, but I couldn’t feel the right kind of fear."
"I realized slowly that his words should frighten me. I waited for that fear to come, but all I could seem to feel was an ache for his pain."
"Common sense told me I should be terrified. Instead, I was relieved to finally understand."
Again, she hasn't had a boyfriend before soooo...)
The reason I think she doesn't "stalk" him is simply just because she's human and she can't. She admits that she is obsessed with him.
"I was consumed by the mystery Edward presented. And more than a little obsessed by Edward himself."
Anyway, I had a longer debate planned but I'm tired and going back to bed.
"You’re still waiting for the running and the screaming, aren’t you?"
They are nut's!!!!!!!!! how can you not like Twilight?I started to read twilight when i was like 11, at first i thought it was dumb, but then i just couldn't put it down. ever since then I read the series again evry year.
I just love the story.
if those people say that they hate twilight its probaly just because they've never read and if not it's just because they're not creative.
or they have nothing to do escept belch
Lol, Grace. Maybe you should just put rebuttles on copy/paste from now on. Remember, pick your battles--or more, pick who's going to get the honor of having you type out a full response... If that makes any sense.
this discussion is not to convice twilight haters about how good is the SAGA it's for us to talk about what do we think about them, maybe we should make another one : TWLIGHT HATERS SAY WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO SAY WE'LL PROVE YOU THAT YOU ARE WRONG...XD
I'm pretty sure most of them will not change their mind either way.
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I have a question. Have you ever gotten annoyed by someone who hasn't actually taken the time to read the books calling themselves "haters", just like you?
I mean, technically those individuals are uninformed, and they, unlike you, haven't actually taken a moment to inform themselves about what they "hate". Do you feel that adds to misrepresentation? (i.e: People saying haters haven't read the books)
I mean, technically those individuals are uninformed, and they, unlike you, haven't actually taken a moment to inform themselves about what they "hate". Do you feel that adds to misrepresentation? (i.e: People saying haters haven't read the books)
Melzz wrote: "Have you ever gotten annoyed by someone who hasn't actually taken the time to read the books calling themselves "haters""all the time
I've always wondered if haters got upset over that, because it is another person on their "team", but at the same time they are not real haters.
Like, if I hated the books, I would sort of see them as "phonies", especially if I was a hater that "battled" my way through the books when they hadn't.
Like, if I hated the books, I would sort of see them as "phonies", especially if I was a hater that "battled" my way through the books when they hadn't.
Mellady77 wrote: "About the stalking...No, it's not cute. No, it's not okay because he's hot. Yes, it is a big deal. But as far as Edward & Bella go in this series: they are bothered at first that they are not bothe..."*facepalms, growls* There is no such thing as true love at first sight. And it's stalking whatever the h*** you call it. F***ing going into her room at night, HELLO?!
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Sorry.
Lois Ella: Perhaps YOU are the nuts one.
There is no such thing as true love at first sight"well lions doesn't talk either, do you hate The Chronicles of Narnia? Twilight is a tale!! T-A-L-E... for God sake!!!!!! don't you people understand????????
Heh, heh, heh, but it's the STALKING I hate. There's many things wrong with Twilight. Chronicals of Narnia... that's a f***ing classic. Can't compare a classic to a wet dream book.
is just me who can sees how stupid is to judge the acts of fictional characters and fantasy creatures????
I feel sorry for them; they don't know what they are missing.
I*rule*all (The girl with the beast within) wrote: "F****** going into her room at night..."
I*rule*all (The girl with the beast within) wrote: "Can't compare a classic to a *** ***** book."
We have younger members. Take the language down if you want to continue participating in this group. Thanks.
Saved By Grace wrote: "so how was everyone's Christmas?"
Mine was good, how was yours?
a little bit boring ... but better than last year for sure! XD
that reminds me, I have a couple of books to read in the rest of my vacations... in March I'll start my last year in architecture, finally!!!!!!!!XD
Sorry for the cussing....But my Christmas.... Well, this officially was the first Christmas that my parents were seperating, so... Other than that, good.
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I agree...what fun is it to read fiction if all you are going to do is tear it apart and try to find all of the faults in the book. I personally think that if you hate it then whatever why talk about it then...I hate corn but when people are talking about how much they like it I don't find it necessary to jump down their throats about how much I hate it and why!!!
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Wow, Steph... Sorry about your brothers.And it's fun to read through crap to amuse yourself with it's crappyness.
Stephanie wrote: "I agree...what fun is it to read fiction if all you are going to do is tear it apart and try to find all of the faults in the book...."
I kind of like tearing books... Not in the matter that I enjoy destroying them, but that I like to sort of analyze segments of it. Not right away, I become analytical when I'm already starting to dislike it, and then I switch to dissecting what it is I dislike.
I think it's okay if a person goes into it with an open mind and doesn't analyze it at first. But yeah, if they've never tried reading it without being analytical, then it's not really much of a chance to give a book. If that makes any sense.
(Lol, corn. Also, I hope your brothers work it out.)
Stephanie wrote: "Manuel wrote: "is just me who can sees how stupid is to judge the acts of fictional characters and fantasy creatures????"I agree...what fun is it to read fiction if all you are going to do is tea..."
hmm that reminds me: over Christmas, my aunt told my brother that he "should be more liked Edward Cullen"... and she was dead serious, lol! apparently my aunt, like me, appreciates that edward is a gentleman... but it was funny, too. my brother's eyes got all big and his mouth hung open....
Amelia*annabeth&percy*sittin in a tree* wrote: "...but it was funny, too. my brother's eyes got all big and his mouth hung open...."
Lol. That sounds like a priceless face. :D
and then my mom said, "nah, id rather him be like percy jackson" and i was like:
:o !!!!
what do you mean, how old is my brother?
I*rule*all (The girl with the beast within) wrote: "Mellady77 wrote: "About the stalking...No, it's not cute. No, it's not okay because he's hot. Yes, it is a big deal. But as far as Edward & Bella go in this series: they are bothered at first that ..."There is so a thing as true love at first sight, take my daughter for example. There's no other way to describe it.
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