Twilight
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Can TWILIGHT get ANY MORE SICKER?
Jewel wrote: "Vixenne wrote: "Valerie wrote: "I don't see how people can not see it! D: If the readers knew more about Mormonisim, they would see that Meyer put her beliefs in her book. The reason why this is ba..."Kataury wrote: "Some criticisms are things pointed out in a story that could have been better, while others are questions on the author's ability. But now you, as users, are adding your opinions on the mormon reli..."
Here, here!! That is the best answer I have read in a long time. Criticize the work, give a plausible point - not a personal opinion, and if you hate the work why keep reading?
Jewel wrote: "Vixenne wrote: "Valerie wrote: "I don't see how people can not see it! D: If the readers knew more about Mormonisim, they would see that Meyer put her beliefs in her book. The reason why this is ba..."Kataury wrote: "Some criticisms are things pointed out in a story that could have been better, while others are questions on the author's ability. But now you, as users, are adding your opinions on the mormon reli..."
Here, here!! That is the best answer I have read in a long time. Criticize the work, give a plausible point - not a personal opinion, and if you hate the work why keep reading?
It's not exactly my cup of tea....But then again, neither is the haughty ranting I read in your post.The thing is, as much as we may not like a series, it's popular for a reason with the age group and gender it was written for. I'm not entirely sure which age-group you find yourself in, but I can safely bet that you're either (a) not a part of the 13-16 year-old female age group, and if you are then (b) you're primarily hating it because you can't understand what your peers like it for.
Beyond all of the base triteness in the author's writing and the significant amount of childish fancy throughout all four books, there's one thing people who hate it seem to be missing:
If you can overlook your prejudices and "re-write" the story in your own head as you go along, it turns out to be somewhat enjoyable. Imagination is a lot of fun if you utilise it properly and even books like the Twilight series can provide you with a whole different map.
Olivia wrote: "In case you didn't notice she didn't exactly want to be popular and she isn't perfect. She is shy and akward and clumsy. She is obsessed by Edward doesn't mean she is influencing others to obsess o..."I didn't notice the supposed religious theme, either. Though I am not one to go by: I obviously missed out on the entire Satanic influence of JK Rowling with Harry Potter, too. C'est la vie.
Reference pages: Twilight/Mormonism - http://io9.com/5096310/twilights-hidd...
Harry Potter/Satanism - http://www.exposingsatanism.org/harry...
Just furthers my belief that people can't just enjoy a book/let others enjoy a book without tearing it to shreds and finding "hidden" religious connotations.
Tara wrote: "Olivia wrote: "In case you didn't notice she didn't exactly want to be popular and she isn't perfect. She is shy and akward and clumsy. She is obsessed by Edward doesn't mean she is influencing oth..."Thank you Tara!!
Tara wrote: "Olivia wrote: "In case you didn't notice she didn't exactly want to be popular and she isn't perfect. She is shy and akward and clumsy. She is obsessed by Edward doesn't mean she is influencing oth..."HAHAHAHA! At the bookstore I work at, we used to have a Harry Potter display at the front of the store. People used to put pamphlets on the display that read, If you let your children read these books, they will worship Satan and sacrifice your dog to Devil."
I think kids are just as likely to convert to the Church of Latter Day Saints after reading Twilight as they are to worshiping Satan after reading Harry Potter!
marie wrote: "Whoa. Thanks for watching my back sister! *hugs and kisses* LOL. you a hater too? :D "I think book 1 is okay although the sparkling vampire is a mess. The idea is surely fresh but still does not answer the question of why would predators have sparks.
But I love the romance.
I do not find the sequels interesting for the supernatural world in them is getting worse and worse. And I find Jacob's character is the lamest character.
AlbertaJenn wrote: "HAHAHAHA! At the bookstore I work at, we used to have a Harry Potter display at the front of the store. People used to put pamphlets on the display that read, If you let your children read these books, they will worship Satan and sacrifice your dog to Devil." "Oh my... Is that for real? I am so glad that in my country with all the regulations, we never consider Teenagers novels or Young adults as books that can change any of our faiths, from believers to atheists or Satan followers.
Nurlely wrote: "AlbertaJenn wrote: "HAHAHAHA! At the bookstore I work at, we used to have a Harry Potter display at the front of the store. People used to put pamphlets on the display that read, If you let your ch..."Oh, there are whack-jobs everywhere. If anything even hints at something different, someone will find a way to try to make you affraid of it. It is just human nature.
The pamphlets, when found, hit the trash as soon as we found them.
AlbertaJenn wrote: "Oh, there are whack-jobs everywhere. If anything even hints at something different, someone will find a way to try to make you affraid of it. It is just human nature. "I think whenever something goods are there, they will be balanced by the bad ones.
Kimberly wrote: "Jacob's character IS extremely lame "Poor Jacob. Bad Stephenie. Jacob was a good friend in book one with jealousy. Then he gets worse and worse in the sequels. And nothing can compare the baby imprinting stuff. And Edward called him 'son'? Yuck!
Prerak wrote: "Well, to say that I am a Twilight Book hater would be wrong...I dont hate it, BUT I DONT FIND ANY REASON TO LIKE IT EITHER.I mean, what the hell is this book and why the hell is so much HYPE abou..."
much agreed.
Colby wrote: "You write a book then. And you build up a major fanbase, and have a huge movie franchise stem off that book/series. It's not the best series ever, no, but it's not awful.It's obviously good enoug..."
I did - and it's a free download on Smashwords.. No fan base yet - but still - you don't have to write to be a critic.. and I thought the characters in twilight were lipid / creepy to say the least.
Ur a guy ! << figures -.-'
actually, I'm not [a guy]. and I didn't think it was the worst book ever written - it just isn't written all that well. If people find the story enjoyable then that's good - but it says more about the readers and their ability to transcend average writing (not a bad thing.) so more of the readers who loved twilight should be writers.. :-P
Auguste .. sorry for the misunderstanding .. i didn't mean u when i said guy :P .. it's for the one that started this discussion !!! ...anyways, i agree with u , it's not written that well.. but we should still appreciate the authors work : )) !!
I think the reason that so many people hate Bella comes down to one simple thing. Her total and complete dependence on Edward. Nobody likes a needy, whiny teenager and that is exactly what Bella is. Don't bother hating on me because this is just my honest opinion.In Twilight, she comes to the school as a new girl and manages to make some friends on the first day. Alright, that's fair enough, good for her. But the second she hooks up with Edward, the only time we hear of these friends are on the very few occasions when Edward is unavailable.
In New Moon I think we could all agree that this is where her dependency hits an all time high. I'm sorry, but who cares if you're totally in love with your vampire boyfriend. Just because he abandons you doesn't give you an excuse to alienate yourself from society for - what was it? 4 months? Oh, and then she becomes crazy and starts having hallucinations of Edward whenever she gets an adrenaline high. Because we all jump off cliffs to see our ex's, don't we? Obsessed? Unhealthy? Maybe just a tad.
And then we get to Eclipse. My memory isn't entirely perfect, but... We all make bad decisions in life and teens are by far no exceptions, which makes Bella no exception. But there's making bad decisions and there's just being stupid. I mean they've been together for what? 1 to 2 years. So of course, why not agree to get married, just because it's a condition for Edward to turn her into a vampire. It's a no brainer.
Breaking Dawn? Well this is where she builds up a dependency for Edward AND Jacob, even though Jacob can't stand what she's going to become. Oh but no, just because it's Bella, Jacob has to be there, doesn't he? I mean fine, maybe dependency doesn't show up as much in this book than it did in the others, but still.
Anywho, to answer the question. Of course it can't get any sicker. Just the idea of Jacob imprinting on Bella's baby girl... Oh, and lets not forget what the name would have been, had it been a baby boy instead. EJ? I mean, come on. Did she honestly think Edward would just let that slide.
oh well, afterall it is romance so everybody have to be excluded except for the main characters :P !!
clapping.. Lawrence... agree completely..
hilarious- I actually liked the books (even if they aren't good literature) but your list and especially these two reasons made me laugh out loud!Jo wrote: "100 Reasons Twilight Sucks.
79-Charlie has no brains.
80-Neither does Bella, which is why Edward can’t read her mind.
Laurence wrote: "Just because he abandons you doesn't give you an excuse to alienate yourself from society for - what was it? 4 months?..."I don't think that anybody would need an excuse for that? It's not like we owe society...
After reading cleolinda's recaps of the twilight series and hearing so many people bash it, I decided to read it. (I won the book so it was there) I had incredibly low expectations, but it ended up being better than I thought it would. It's a character driven novel and a simple teen love story. Plus, I thought Edward was super creepy and that Bella should be sleeping with a bat next to her instead of being aloof about the guy who was watching her sleep. But teen hormones got the best of her and for some strange reason that was intriguing to me. Weird, I know. I did find the books to get worse, but I thought Twilight was quite good. Best book ever. No. But it was good and I enjoyed it.
What group is this thread derived from please? It pops up on my home screen and not from a particular group - or is it just a general GR topic? Thanks kindly.
Gerd wrote: I don't think that anybody would need an excuse for th..."Ok, maybe I worded it wrong. Let's just forget about society. It doesn't give her an excuse to just practically lock herself in her room for four months and not even acknowledge her friends and dad. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that breakups don't do that to people who are mentally healthy, even at the extreme end of the spectrum.
Laurence wrote: "Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that breakups don't do that to people who are mentally healthy, even at the extreme end of the spectrum ..."Wouldn't know, I gladly use any excuse I can get to do that. :D
However, I guess it does say quite something about Charlie as a father, too, that he seems not the least worried about his daughter suffering from a nervous break down and then going into hiding for several months over a simple break-up.
But whom I'm to judge that, I think people are entitled to do whatever they want to themselves.
Judy wrote: "What group is this thread derived from please? It pops up on my home screen and not from a particular group - or is it just a general GR topic? Thanks kindly."It's not part of a group. It is linked to the book itself. You have added it to one of your shelves, so it shows.
I have had to remove books from my shelves so not to get updates on them.
I think it's only books on your "Read" shelve that appear, so if you don't want to get updates on topics you just have to move them to a different shelve.
Kimberly wrote: "It's actually not simple it's sometimes very complicated "Not really. In Twilight the vampire part was just a perk/added bonus. It didn't really add anything to the story. Edward could be a street thug who sparkles when he has his bling on while Bella was some rich privileged teen who never really fit in and it still would have worked.
Enough with the snobbery from the Twilight haters. The books are not "high-art" by any stretch, but what does that matter? I enjoy books from many genres & many authors. Not everything one reads has to live up to Dickens, Tolstoy & Hugo. I enjoyed all four books in the Twilight Saga for the same reason that I enjoy watching sitcoms - they're fun & light reading (er, watching, in the case of the sitcoms). If you like it, great. If you don't like it, then there's tons of other stuff for you to read. I don't care for trashy romance novels, but I don't go online to slander them or to criticize individuals who DO like to read them. Grow up!
So interesting. Readers can choose whether to hate or love or dislike or like certain books. Since this is a discussion forum, all comments are allowed. A decent one would be one that is supported by valid reasons.@ Adam: Since you love Twilight, you surely dislike any bad remarks to the story. But you seemed to forget that there are so many readers think otherwise. And they have the same rights as you to say what they like about Twilight. You can surely ignore the comments but asking them to stop saying what they think right is totally not a mature act. I think you also need to grow up.
If someone doesn't like the story, fine. My remarks were in response to those who would insult the intelligence of readers who happened to enjoy the twilight books. I have no qualms about telling those people to grow up. I don't see what the basis is of you having a problem with my previous post. I'm not preaching censorship, but civility.
Adam wrote: "If someone doesn't like the story, fine. My remarks were in response to those who would insult the intelligence of readers who happened to enjoy the twilight books. I have no qualms about telling t..."Adam, your post was fine. You actually make some very valid points.
I think Twilight haters (and I am talking about the haters, not just the dislike-ers) seem to have an idea that this is all we read. Not realizing that we all have varied, and often rather intellectual, reading preferences.
I dislike Nora Roberts. Fine. But I don't sit around for days posting online how horrible she is, and that her fans suck. I have better things to do with my time.
Thanks AlbertaJenn :)
I am not Twilight hater. I think its fantasy is a mess and SM could not even maintain her opinion regarding the pregnancy. A total mess. But I like the romance. In fact I think it was the romance that kept me and lots of fans reading the series. The only friends I have that consider Twilight is a good supernatural book are ones who never read any other supernatural novels and have always been romance novel lovers.
Twilight:
Romance = big yes
Supes = Awful
Jo wrote: "100 Reasons Twilight Sucks.1-It is too copied off Jane Austen’s books. I hate that. Although JA also sucks...
2-The actors at the movies SUCK. Why can’t people get that when they’re nominated ..."
I agree with all 100 points, and more.
I read the book just to see why everyone so obsessed with it and I still don't get it. I only read them once and missed some of the points people mentioned, but I am not going to read the books again, they are not worth the time. But one thing that did stick out to me is Bella is a Mary-Sue, though she has some flaws she is still 'perfect.' The guys all have crushes on her, excepting some of the vamps, she takes care of both of her parents- I find it highly unlikely that both would be able to take care of themselves- and she is one of the very few that Edward can't read or other vamp powers have no effect on. If there is one, there should be others, nothing should be able to pop up out of the blue like that.I don't criticize the people who like the books, I just try to not tell them why I don't like it. Cause it makes no sense to me. But there are times when I want to ask them what they like about it, see if I can figure out how other people think, because with my half of my school life being homeschooled I can't always figure out others thought processes.
These are just my thoughts anyway.
It is not healthy for someone be that obsessed with someone else, yet every one wants that...It must be how I was brought up, because I do not see the appeal of such a series.
Kimberly wrote: "I think Adam has a point. People who dislike or hate the book shouldn't be putting people who enjoy the book down."Every reader has a point here. It does not matter if their claims are valid or not. And ugly remarks against a certain book should not bring the lovers down. If you love a book you just stick to liking it, not because of what others think of it...:)
The whole book is full of cliches and stupid messages. Edward isn't a vampire, he hangs around in trees and sparkles so he must be a fairy!
Ashean wrote: "The guys all have crushes on her, excepting some of the vamps,As pointed out: No, it's not all the guys. And for at least one of them we can savely assume that he's having a crush on every girl he sees a chance in.
she takes care of both of her parents- I find it highly unlikely that both would be able to take care of themselves-
Not strictly true.
Obviously her father managed well enough on his own, and her mother, though easy come easy go she might be described as, didn't strike me as the type that would starve in front of a closed can of food either.
Neither is given as "incapable", they are merely unwilling - which probably is key to Bella's own phlegmatic character.
and she is one of the very few that Edward can't read or other vamp powers have no effect on...."
Admitted, it's the classic cliché.
From Bella, to Harry, to the classic Greek heroes - all of them cater to the ageless wish of being special, of standing out from the masses (but in a conforming way, please).
Why can't people just take the book for what it is - a good yarn designed for the young adult market. Let's not over analyse this guys! Just enjoy the story. Jeesh!
Sharon wrote: "Why can't people just take the book for what it is - a good yarn designed for the young adult market. Let's not over analyse this guys! Just enjoy the story. Jeesh!"That pretty much sums up what I have been saying - few see it that way though.
Adam wrote: "That pretty much sums up what I have been saying - few see it that way though."WELL SAID THAT MAN!
Hilarious! I find it very funny that you hate the series so much, but u took the time to make this list, which seems to be a waste of time for something you hate so much. Also, you obviously, either read the series or watched the movies, as in multiples. Why? If you hate it so much. Who forced you to read it? Not mad about your comments. Just wondering?
DO I think TWILIGHT is the best thing ever written? No. But hey, kudos to Stephenie Meyer. She made millions of dollars following her dream. Who am I to put her down? Or you for that matter, especially when you put money down on that total.
I think if a reader dislikes or hates a book, giving away reasons of why is the best thing to do. Having the reasons listed is great for that reader knows exactly what s/he hates about the book.I wonder why giving away the list can be something bad.
@Nurlely: In your earlier criticism of Meyer's paranormal writing, you said that she "learned her lesson" after the Twilight series. I'm curious - what lesson would that be? I mean, writing the Twilight books made her filthy rich, so I'm sure she really feels like she must have majorly screwed up in her writing, right?
LOL
I used to be a major twilight fan. I, like, read them all the time over and over again, but after expanding what I read I go back and realise that this book wasn't as good as I originally thought it was... The plot really wasn't that detailed or elaborate and completely predictable, the characters weren't that detailed or likeable and the writing wasn't really that good...
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Here, here!! That is the best answer I have read in a long time. Criticize the work, give a plausible point - not a personal opinion, and if you hate the work why keep reading?